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12:29 AM
Flying in and out of DCA was a lot of fun, its a shame there are so many impossible hoops to jump through for the average person
river visual 19 is fun! and so is the left turn departing north
 
12:52 AM
@casey Flightgear FTW :D Just tried that approach, it /is/ fun!
 
@flyingfisch its more fun knowing if you cross the north shore of the river you get 30 days unpaid time off while the FAA suspends your cert, if you dont have a trigger happy guy manning the missile batteries downtown :)
 
@voretaq7 Awesome, thanks for finding that! If I had the paper copy I probably would have seen it, lol.
 
@Lnafziger who didn't get their permanent plastic wallet candy? :-)
 
one of our pilots departed due north over the wash monument twice in one 4 day trip. They told us the only reason he wasnt shot down was that he was climbing the whole time. He got 90 days off.
 
@voretaq7 We've had a couple of pilots lately almost have their certificates expire before they got it.
 
12:55 AM
@casey lol
 
@Lnafziger really?
The FAA was "backlogged" when I took my checkride I still got the plastic one in like 45 days
 
Haha, we had a couple during the backlog that took 180 days.
 
the pre-IACRA days used to go the 120 day stretch for permanent certs but last time I renewed my CFI it was only a couple weeks
 
Believe it or not, not everything goes through IACRA at the "big" training centers (Simuflite, Flight Safety, etc)
And what happens when they "lose" your application? You'll never get one then but have no idea why....
 
12:57 AM
@Lnafziger I was under the impression they still had to submit to the same back-end?
 
Personally I like the paper, but the SAT FSDO requires IACRA if I want them to checkoff my renewal paperwork :)
 
@voretaq7 Sometimes they use IACRA, sometimes they don't... Not sure what the difference is.
 
that was the whole point of the I part of IACRA
@Lnafziger The difference is not using IACRA makes Oklahoma City cry.
 
@voretaq7 took about a month and a half to get mine.
 
Besides, who knows when the government will shut down again.
 
12:59 AM
@Lnafziger the next time they pass an FAA budget.
 
Yeah right?
 
And the U in my United States is more like a backwards J. I'm assuming that means it's fake.
 
I'm convinced this is what happened - the FAA had been operating on continuing resolutions for the better part of a decade, they finally get an actual authorization bill and budget so we have to shut the whole damn government down to stop them from doing...whatever it is they're supposed to be doing :P
 
@BretCopeland Are you going to add the "Special Notices" bit to your answer? :)
 
to really make OK city cry, make sure you you call the tower "ok city tower" on initial callup
 
1:02 AM
@Lnafziger do I have to? @voretaq7 found the information, he should be punished for that by having to add it to the answer.
 
@BretCopeland its your answer, lazy!
'sides I don't feel like writing another comment :P
 
@voretaq7 if there's one thing that answer screams of, it's laziness.
 
Yeah, laziness doesn't come to mind on that one, lol.
 
@BretCopeland you should have written it in calligraphy
on the skin of... hmm... what's the FAA equivalent of a sheep?
A Canada Goose?
A (Part 23 Certificated) Flying Squirrel?
 
are you having a conversation with yourself @voretaq7?
 
1:05 AM
@BretCopeland The voices in my head are arguing again
 
1:19 AM
@Lnafziger fine, answer updated. And I deleted your comment... out of spite. Also to reduce clutter because it was no longer relevant, but mostly out of spite.
 
@BretCopeland <insert Unicorn reward here>
 
@BretCopeland Haha, that's what I do too. Someone could have flagged it as "No longer relevant" after you updated your answer anyway. :-)
 
@BretCopeland . . . why am I not at all surprised?
Is there just one, or do all new hires get a unicorn head mask?
 
1:27 AM
@voretaq7 and most subtle, but the best: maps.google.com/…
 
@BretCopeland sneaksy unicorns is watching you
 
@voretaq7 I don't believe we make that public knowledge.
 
@BretCopeland I already know your SQL servers are powered by unicorn dust.
or maybe that's the HAProxy load balancers and the SQL servers are the ones powered by the tears of orphans.
either way
 
@Lnafziger that's interesting about the type rating, I guess I always assumed type ratings had somewhat different criteria based on the airplane, but it makes sense that, regardless of the airplane, you still are looking for the same types of procedures.
@voretaq7 also no comment. Trying to keep PeTU off our backs. They believe unicorn slavery is "wrong."
 
@BretCopeland yeah, they just cover the generic "Areas of Operations" so that they don't have to write one for every airplane.
 
 
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2:50 AM
@BretCopeland a type rating is basically an ATP level checkride with an extensive oral
and the oral is pretty much all systems and operations related. e.g. "which buttons and screens still work if I lose 3 of the 5 generators on board the airplane? What systems do you lose? What are you going to do."
 
3:10 AM
@voretaq7 oh god, what do you think is actually in that?
 
@BretCopeland It's a stuffed unicorn in pieces. I'm certain there are a few cans of it floating around SE HQ
it should be bacon-flavored Spam with ice cream sprinkles mixed in though. That would be AWESOME
 
@casey so I assume then, if you get a type rating with your PPL (for some reason), when you get your CPL or ATP you don't have to retake the type rating exam (unlike if you get your multi-engine on the PPL, you still have to take the multi CPL exam).
 
I think that is the case, but not 100%. My type was also my ATP ride.
not 100% sure that is
 
@casey in what type?
@voretaq7 I have not seen any. Probably long since devoured.
 
3:17 AM
@casey did a regional airline pay for your ATP?
 
it was part of upgrade training, they paid me to do it, although at the FO rate
80 hour guarantee during whole month training
we had 3 sims in house for initial upgrade and recurrent training
 
@BretCopeland Yes, if you get a type rating with your private/commercial and then "upgrade" to an ATP, it will be valid no matter what type you take your ATP checkride in. (that was surprisingly hard to find, you may want to ask it on the site. :) )
 
that is what I thought since a type is to ATP standards no matter your certificate level
 
@Lnafziger okay... I will.
 
@casey That's what I thought too, but the PTS says that they have to use both the private/commercial and the ATP PTS now... I'm thinking that they changed that.
@casey: "If an applicant is taking a practical test for the issuance of a private or commercial pilot certificate with an airplane rating, in an aircraft that requires a type rating, private pilot practical test standards or commercial pilot practical test standards, as appropriate to the certificate, must be used in conjunction with this PTS."
 
3:33 AM
Could by, I'm pretty out of date with the PTS
10 years out of date...
@Lnafziger that sounds like it applies if you are doing your initial private/comm in an airplane requiring a type and not if you are just adding the type to a cert. I could be wrong
 
@casey Actually, I think that they were just saying that if you are getting a private/commercial license at the same time that you have to do the tasks specified in the appropriate PTS that isn't included in the ATP PTS.
Haha, yeah, that.
 
yep
so if you do your private in a jet, you'll have to do the cross country and short field takeoffs :)
 
And turns around a point, etc, etc. Sounds like fun! :)
 
lazy 8s and chandelles!
 
In a 737 sim!
 
3:41 AM
I never got the chance but one of our sim instructors would end a recurrent session with full stalls at cruise altitude
hydraulics off
heck, before we had the sims they did initial in the actual airplane
one of the FTDs was salvaged from a V1 cut gone bad (ruined the airplane, no fatalities)
the shell and cockpit for the FTD that is
 
I always thought that it was amazing that they used actual certified parts for the entire cockpit in a simulator. If we needed a part for the airplane, we could just borrow it from the sim! :)
 
yep, pretty amazing its all the same parts
 
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Q: Does a Type Rating "upgrade" with your license?

Bret CopelandI believe anything the FAA refers to as a "rating" upgrades automatically with your license. For example, if I get my instrument rating on my Private Pilot License, I don't have to retake the instrument checkride when I get my commercial license in order to fly IFR commercially. This is not true ...

 
bleh. Aircraft electrical diagrams are awful, awful things.
what's everyone else doing? :P
 
hah, i just noticed I got my silver "you've been spending too much time here" badge
 
3:54 AM
@casey I'm working my way toward the gold one - just means I have to remember to do stuff on the site on weekends :P
 
@voretaq7 car electrical diagrams arent much better. Took me days to figure out I couldn't start because the wire between the ignition and the clutch cutout was bad.
 
@casey My car is German. There is no wiring diagram. Franz doesn't believe in documentation.
 
My rep on aviation is about to pass my SO rep. Not that that's saying all that much.
 
When something goes wrong with the electrical system you light the car on fire and push it off a cliff.
 
i checked all the switches but didnt consider the wires connecting them
 
3:56 AM
@BretCopeland yeah, mine is way past my SO rep :P
 
@voretaq7 I'll have my gold on unx&linux in another 20 days or so, then this one in 60 :)
 
it's also apparently passed my Workplace rep
 
and my SO rep is a lowly 181 :)
 
which is surprising because I keep getting necro rep there
@casey that's....higher than mine :P
 
:)
 
3:57 AM
@voretaq7 you've got a ways to go for SF though.
 
@BretCopeland it would be difficult to exceed that number
when I get to 65535 rep I'm just going to start putting random bounties on stuff to keep it there.
 
@voretaq7 because you're worried about an integer overflow?
 
@BretCopeland because I want to see if I can convince newbies that's the rep cap
 
but hey, you're number 2 on this site. You're on'y number 12 on SF.
@voretaq7 yeah, except by the time anyone gets to 65k, @Lnafziger is going to have like 8 million rep.
 
Hmm, maybe I can stay at 65k.
:-)
 
4:09 AM
@Lnafziger Pick your own arbitrary constant - I already have to share this one with Piper! :P
(by the by I couldn't find SB 886 but I found 978A in my paperwork which has a more restrictive 62,900 hour service life before you have to magnaflux the spar. It is now my mission in life to put that many hours on this airframe :P)
 
@BretCopeland What's going to be really annoying is if I'm at 1,950 rep or something and we graduate out of beta and then i have to grind up to 10k to get moderator tools.
 
@SteveV. it's all a game.
 
how does that work when the rep levels change? Do you keep privileges you have, or have to re-earn them at the new levels?
 
I think I've sorted out what the factory gnomes did with this electrical system. I have that sinking "I'm going to have to crawl behind the panel at annual time with the mechanics and a multimeter" feeling now though.
@casey Your princess in another castle, Mario :)
 
@voretaq7 :)
 
4:23 AM
@BretCopeland Well yeah, of course it is, that's why it works.
 
you can also bounty or downvote yourself out of privileges :)
 
But that's boring. If I wanted to lose rep I'd just start posting answers saying HOT RUSSSIAN WOMEN ARE WAITING FOR U
alright, enough of this. Goodnight everyone.
 
@SteveV. . . . Can I get a fake Russian? I'll take Claudia Christian :)
but only with the Ivonova ponytail. She looks weird with her hair loose.
 
@casey You lose the privileges that you don't have rep for. That's why it's important to have enough people at the higher rep levels before they let us graduate.
 
 
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12:36 PM
posted on February 06, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

6 February 1946: Transcontinental and Western Airlines—TWA—”The Trans World Airline”, flew its first revenue international passengers on a scheduled transatlantic flight from La Guardia Field, New York, to Aéroport de Paris-Orly, Paris. The airplane was a Lockheed L-049 Constellation, NC86511, named Star of Paris. The Lockheed L-049 Constellation was operated by a flight crew of [&#

 
12:54 PM
posted on February 06, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

6 February 1949: An Eastern Air Lines Lockheed L-749A Constellation, serial number 2610, flew from Los Angeles to LaGuardia Airport, New York, in 6 hours, 18 minutes, setting a new West-to-East transcontinental speed record for transport aircraft. The Lockheed L-749A Constellation was operated by a flight crew of four, with two to four flight attendants. It could […] The post 6 February 1

 
 
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2:45 PM
posted on February 06, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

6 February 1967: That Others May Live. Airman 2nd Class Duane D. Hackney, U.S. Air Force, 37th Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Squadron, rescued the pilot of a downed aircraft and earned the Air Force Cross. He was the first living recipient of the Air Force Cross. With more than 70 individual medals, Chief Master Sergeant […] The post 6 February 1967 appeared first on This Day in Aviation.

 
roe
sure is quite in here today... :) Y'all snowed in? Or out in the garage preparing your toothpaste bombs to smuggle past the TSA?
 
roe
3:30 PM
that should be quiet.. it appears there's a time limit for edits?
 
3:58 PM
posted on February 06, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

The post 14 February 1913–6 February 1998 appeared first on This Day in Aviation.

 
 
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6:39 PM
we now have a and . We probably don't need both, which one should survive?
 
7:03 PM
@casey I think both should survive. The commercial operations tag is useful when discussing the legal issues view from a pilots perspective. And the more general term commercial aviation could focus on the profitable aspects of aviation. The Ryanair question which has the commercial aviation tag would look strange to me with a commercial operations tag. Although one could argue to make them synonym tags.
 
I would support a synonym argument but I do get your point on ops vs aviation.
 
7:35 PM
shouldn't the Ryanair question be airline-operations?
 

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