I don't get it: WHAT is wrong with asking the community how they want to reword the arcane archer tag when I only could fix it to fit pathfinder and 3.5 properly and not whatever 5e did with it?!
@Trish So we have community curation processes in place to handle this organically from the review queue, and generally we take things to meta when those processes fail for some reason. I imagine the downvotes are because you took it to meta before community curation even took a crack at it.
@ThomasMarkov I took Magus to the meta years ago because the tag was so horrible wrong. That one was like even worse but the best attempt I would have made would be to re-define it as a prestige class, which would be equally wrong. Meta is community curation.
And I would guess because it skips the acknowledgement of that. Something to the effect of your comment reply on the q (eg. "I see a need for a better description, but can't think of one myself"). That lack wasn't personally downvote worth though
@Trish Right, but should we be using meta to do curation when the usual main site tools haven't had a chance to be implemented yet?
I think it is generally seen that meta discussions supersede our usual curation tools, so now I feel it is inappropriate to handle this issue (that we should be able to handle just fine without meta) without going through the meta discussion.
And I think the issue with magus was that it had problematic usage that warranted meta discussion, right?
@Trish Sometimes people simply disagree, even when incorrect. That's a problem inherent to the SE approach. Otherwise, if you want to take a hard-charging attitude (even when you are correct, as you are in these cases) there is sometimes pushback on that alone
Yeah, there shouldn't be some initial bureaucratic barrier that gets in the way of meta discussions. Proposals for a fix shouldn't need to wait for the content curation tools to get around to fixing it.
@ThomasMarkov it was cropping up in some questions where it was clearly not Pathfinder. Just like arcane archer was used on non-5e. The tag description however was game centric.
I don’t actually care, I think the meta discussion is fine. I was just speaking in general terms about how we don’t have to take everything to meta because we have tools for dealing things without meta discussion, and that the downvotes were likely because someone felt it wasn’t necessary because we have tools that don’t require meta discussion.
And I do think this is just fixing a description. It's fine to have a discussion about it, but (IMO) it's always better to explain why you needed a discussion (same idea as mainsite Qs showing their Whys), and we already have several discussions demonstrating that making this kind of change is fine
@Trish If I saw it correctly, one was for both, but that's nitpicking and not really relevant
With all the faff around nailing down a definition I'm coming back to a thought I've had about archetypes and overlapping options. How many different ways are there to make an Arcane Archer in 5e?
@Someone_Evil I'd say zero, since I think ArAr is a waste of design space. The Ranger already exists. 😎 Granted, that's my opinion. Also, Ar Ar is what a pirate says when he stutters.
which makes Arcane Archer something made from cane that a pirate sits on when sipping rum drinks on the beach
I'm sure there's one in the Artificer class too (because why not?). And probably one in the more martial Cleric domains (again, why wouldn't there be?)
DM note: if the monsters/NPCs have a *bead of force*, and use it, one (or more) of the party PCs is out of the fight if they fail a DC 15 Dex save. The paladin failed. (Granted, 5 of 7 players showed up, so he played one of the other PCs for the rest of that fight). On the third round of his being all bottled up, paladin dropped his trousers and mooned the bad guy who had tossed it. (This got a laugh from the other players)
> Whenever you take the Attack action on your turn, your walking speed increases by 10 feet until the end of the turn, and if a weapon attack that you make as part of this action hits a creature, you can use one of the following Blade Flourish options of your choice. You can use only one Blade Flourish option per turn.
@ThomasMarkov There's a touch of awkwardness around weapon proficiency and fighting style, but I suppose the two flourishes that work with ranged might make it worth it
And I sorta dislike using a sharing resource on yourself in general
@Upper_Case Best part: it can be even uglier if instead of shaman you use a tradition that allows you to house a spirit in your body (possession) to get some extra points of strength. Strength 15 Bows are totally legal but hit like anti-tank-rifles!
@Trish Love it! And the DM loves Shadowrun almost as much as me, but he hated running it. Which was a shame, because the campaign and setting he created were really cool. And we went straight from that awesomeness to Tyranny of Dragons. Ugh.
No idea why he picked it. I'd been hoping it was a brief filler, but it's been over two years of agonizingly slow progress (though it's appropriate to the module and group size, especially given the extra homebrew stuff he's put into it). But I'd rather it just... end
At least we could move on to the vastly superior Rise of Tiamat. Or anything else, really
@Someone_Evil It is. Rise is awesome (I read it by accident, not realizing it was a sequel to Hoard), but Hoard is so awkward of a module that my advice to anyone interested would be to just skip it
Hearing a 5-minute recap would be more fun than slogging through it
(technically it's the very same dragon goddess XD)
@Upper_Case Dragonlance is superior anyway. but then again, I am QUITE slanted because Dragonlance has Matafleur, most badass cute elder red dragon babysitter... Which is exactly *what makes it the superior campaign.
I am currently building DnD-5e Arcane Archer (from Xanathar's Guide to Everything) character and considering how beneficial it is to take the Poisoner feat (from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything ).
In particular the relevant section of the feat reads: [TCoE:p80]
When a creature takes damage from t...
@KorvinStarmast Thakisis Rulez because she is the Queen of Matafleur, big mommy dragon babysitter! You can't best Matafleur as the best red dragon ever.
The nnovels were great, and Matafleur inspired me to torture some players of another GM by handing him a module where a red dragon ran an orphanage for gobos...
