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12:00 AM

@HotRPGQuestions So in the campaign I'm running (online), with many new players but a couple more-experienced, I said that there were a lot of books I didn't have, but players could use anything officially-published as long as they knew how it worked. And then a player took Echo Knight, and so it turns out that there are officially-published things that really weren't thought out all the way.

BESW

[3.x flashbacks]

Peter Cooper Jr.

@BESW Sorry, didn't mean to bring up a sore subject. :)

BESW

It was especially egregious because a lot of the worst 3.5 content was deliberately re-written from 3.0 and often went from good or great to awful in the process.

Would you like a PrC that gives your caster some powerful survival and fighting options? Great, there's the Green Star Adept. Oops you lost your Constitution score and your spells-per-day advancement is halved and every level of your advancement in this PrC is based on the GM throwing you a lore bone in-game.

Peter Cooper Jr.

I missed out on a lot of that era. Did AD&D-2e in high school, was excited when 3.0 came out but really only had a few sessions with it, and I didn't get back into D&D until a few years ago with 5e. (And looking back at my 2e stuff, with a separate table for every possible interaction, I'm amazed that I presumably understood and played it at one point.)

BESW

At least 4e's bad classes were just underwhelming, not actively malicious.

(Of course, in 3.x you didn't have to wander from the Core books to find egregious quality issues. Classes like the monk and feats like Toughness are famously underwhelming.)

(And there's the famous story that the dev who playtested the wizard did so with a low Intelligence because roleplaying, which explains a lot about how high-Int wizards go really wonky in the power curve.)

Hot RPG Questions

12:39 AM

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Q: Can Echo Knight fighter's Manifest Echo's be forcibly moved?

I would like to know if an Echo, created by the Manifest Echo ability of an Echo Knight, can be forcibly moved by things else other than the Knight? Per the rules for Manifest Echo, an Echo "...occupies its space." But it is also described as an "image". It is also worth noting that per a tweet...

Adeptus

@BESW pretends to sing your message, you mean?

NautArch

1:20 AM

→ 1 message moved to Here There Be Dragons

Glazius

1:35 AM

@BESW The story I heard is that the dev who playtested the wizard did so with mostly direct-damage spells, which are probably the most well-regulated part of the wizard.

BESW

Makes sense!

Thomas Markov

3:50 AM

5e answer to a 3.5e question

Two of the answers there are 5e answers.

Hot RPG Questions

6

Q: Summon spells and AC

The summon spells introduced in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything include an armor class calculation, but it's unclear from the description if the AC should include the dexterity modifier or not. For example the Undead Spirit from Summon Undead states the following: Armor Class 11 + the level of th...

dnd-5e spells armor-class

Axoren

4:40 AM

@ThomasMarkov Should these get flagged "very low quality" for "unlikely to be salvaged by editing"?

It's almost impossible edit an answer about one system into one about another without writing a completely new answer, unless the question is less about the system.

Hot RPG Questions

7:15 AM

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Q: Does the 3rd benefit of the (UA) Fizban's Platinum Shield spell stack with Evasion, so that the character only takes 1/4 damage on a failed Dex save?

The new UA, Unearthed Arcana: Draconic Options, introduces a 6th-level spell called Fizban's platinum shield that can be cast on a creature within 60 feet of the caster, granting them a few benefits. The description of the final benefit reads as follows: If the creature is subjected to an effec...

dnd-5e spells class-feature unearthed-arcana stacking

AncientSwordRage

9:09 AM

@ThomasMarkov your 3 quarts tortellini made me think of pangrams

> "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."

A. B.

9:21 AM

Nice one.

The 3 quarts of water does sound like it's supposed to be a pangram!

AncientSwordRage

@HotRPGQuestions I didn't even notice the new UA dropping

it seems a little lacklustre

A. B.

9:56 AM

Bored.

AncientSwordRage

@A.B. Bo-Red?

A. B.

Probably even that, yes. :-P

AncientSwordRage

11:45 AM

I found my lost RPG

NautArch

@AncientSwordRage please don't answer in comments. sorry :(

if you're not sure, you can link it in the question for confirmation, but otherwise it'd be better to figure out if it's right and then post an answer.

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch that's cool but, it wasn't intended as an answer :(

@NautArch I'll see if I can do this instead

NautArch

After further thought, if the location isn/t confirmed safe, please don't link to it,.

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch ooh, good point

thanks

I fixed it hopefully?

Thomas Markov

@NautArch OP added rudeness back into this answer, so I flagged rude abusive.

Hot RPG Questions

11:59 AM

1

Q: Redundant bonus spells for cleric peace domain

At first level, peace clerics gain heroism and sanctuary. But don't all clerics already have access to all cleric spells (at the appropriate levels), which includes sanctuary? Only wizards, warlock, sorcerers and druids have access to a limited number of spells.

dnd-5e spellcasting cleric

Thomas Markov

Vote to delete lol

NautArch

@AncientSwordRage that's a tough one. I'm not so sure. Sending folks into the breach instead isn't exactly the right move, either.

maybe wait and see if someone finds a legit confirmed location first?

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch hmmm, I deliberately made it non-clickable to prevent that, but I can add more warnings.

NautArch

@AncientSwordRage You're making a big assumption about people's ability to parse risk :P

BaconyRevanant

@NautArch Do we do "Give me a full character build" questions? I thought it was too much like idea generation, which we don't really do

NautArch

12:12 PM

@BaconyRevanant I'm...not sure.

oh, that closed question?

Thomas Markov

@BaconyRevanant We do not.

BaconyRevanant

The gnoll one, yeah. I saw it come up in the review queue

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch That's a risk I'm willing them to take :p

Thomas Markov

We help with adjusting an existing build given some objective criteria for what you are trying to achieve and why the current build doesn't achieve it. We dont just build stuff for you.

NautArch

@AncientSwordRage Ha! Always easy when the risk isn't your own :P

Someone_Evil

12:15 PM

@BaconyRevanant If there's a clear idea of what they're looking for. What aspect of batman they want to emulate, as it were. How much is needed to be clear is gonna come down to judgement. There's a meta discussing this somewhere IIRC

Someone_Evil

12:34 PM

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Q: Are character build or optimization questions on topic?

We attract some character build/optimization questions that are very vague - like this newer ones. How can I add more attack to my Wood Bond Oracle? A class like the "Action Survivor" trope Pathfinder: Arcane Duelist melee build We've discussed this before in Should we allow "Best Character ...

discussion faq on-topic

This should be a cat2 build question I think?

Akixkisu

@BaconyRevanant Yes we do.

But with limitations.

They have to adhere to our expectations about the optimisation

Medix2

12:58 PM

@BaconyRevanant Nobody agrees

BaconyRevanant

@Someone_Evil Do we have enough to go on for suggesting a build though? Is "Be a gnoll who punches things" enough to go on?

Medix2

I've certainly seen KRyan state that the acceptable forms of "help me build a character" are either questions with vague ideas or questions with extremely defined ideas and only the inbetween are problematic

It's another one of those "how open-ended, opinion-based, idea-generation, etc is too much?"

Akixkisu

1:17 PM

My favourite part is the interaction between "It seems to me that a lot of questions that would, in the past, have been deemed fine—and would likely have received perfectly-fine answers—are getting closed." and "In contrast to one popular comment here, in reality, it is closing questions that has no real harm. Yes, we want to help, we want to answer questions—but there’s not really a shortage of questions to answer."

Medix2

@Akixkisu Those are, I assume, talking about completely different contexts

There's a difference between "closing any questions makes no harm" and "closing these types of questions for these types of reasons makes no harm"

Akixkisu

@Medix2 yup, one is from the community check-in and the other is about the Don't guess the system policy.

The argument is that we are optimising for pearls instead of sand in the later.

Which also applies to the former.

Medix2

I see where they are coming from with both statements and see no sort of contradiction between them whatsoever, and they are not here to elaborate on things, so I am just gonna duck out

Akixkisu

Where do I mention contradiction?

Medix2

Is that not what you were pointing out?

I suppose I misread it then, but I thought that was the intent,

Oh well, probably will just choose not to discuss the Meta posts in chat anyway XD

AncientSwordRage

1:34 PM

@Akixkisu you need sand to make pearls though, pearls do not spontaneously appear

Akixkisu

@AncientSwordRage not wrong.

NautArch

Why is peanut butter and yoghurt so good?

Akixkisu

Essentially: Do we need to know more?

I want this particular build to be viable, how do I do it? No, we don't, we can answer this.
These are the criteria for a build, what is the optimal way to build within these specific limitations? No, we don't, we can answer this.
Here are my current circumstances, and I don't know what the best step is to achieve what I want, what do I do? No, we don't, we can answer this.

Just clarifying, no need to interact :)

@NautArch are you eating them as a mix?

NautArch

@Akixkisu yep, with some bananas. Usually granola, too, but i'm out.

Feeds

Needles & Nilbogs: The benefits of a nonexistent budget

posted on April 15, 2021 by Bardic Wizard

I don’t have much of a budget for yarn or rpgs. In fact, most of the time, my budget is best described as nonexistent, for a handful of reasons. In addition, I have highly limited space. These two things combined mean that I rarely buy things, and if I can, I will always try to make do with what I have. However, though it may seem like a bad thing, I actually love my situation (most of the time…

Akixkisu

1:44 PM

@NautArch They have some complementary qualities that have exciting heterogenous flavours and texture. They are also individually tasty and have that nice effect of you getting to have more of a great calorie dense flavour without having to consume more of the calorie-dense product.

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch it's the right mix of sweet, fatty and sharp

Akixkisu

I think that is especially true when you use crunchy peanut butter.

NautArch

And it fills me up :)

AncientSwordRage

@Akixkisu crunchy is the only good texture

Akixkisu

@AncientSwordRage All textures are good in the right circumstances, yes, even slimy.

I love the viscid texture of a plain yoghurt, especially when it is as simple as coconut cream with probiotics.

That acidic creamy texture mixed with the salty crunch and some fresh fruit is just very good.

BaconyRevanant

1:55 PM

@NautArch Because peanut butter is good

But I prefer maple in my yoghurt

AncientSwordRage

@Akixkisu YMMV

Carcer

2:24 PM

@AncientSwordRage fwiw on your most excellent adventure question there I can confirm that 1d4chan never hosted it directly and only ever had a link to that googledoc

KorvinStarmast

Yay me, I got to be T Rex for parts of two sessions. Our Wizard polymorphed my celestial warlock into a T Rex. What was kind of funny, to me, was that when the wizard took damage he always made his con save not to lose concentration. But after the second fight, with about a half hour left on the spell (per the DM) the party (rather than exploiting the T Rex HP and size to penetrate deeper into the giant's castle (the only reason she fit, our lady T Rex, or shall I call her T Regina?) ...

... decided to take a short rest. And thus, the T Rex, standing around, became the warlock once again. Anti climactic, for me, after all of that biting and tail slamming of things.

The DM decided that my owl familiar, which was present when the polymorph happened, stuck around and mostly rode on the T Rex's head when combat wasn't in session.

AncientSwordRage

@Carcer ah ok, so where is this mystery url from?

And any idea who made the game in the first place?

Carcer

"developed over the course of two days on /tg/," as the article says

AncientSwordRage

@Carcer oh nice, so no main author

Carcer

if you're really interested, it looks like this thread is the origin

AncientSwordRage

2:39 PM

@Carcer oh wow