@RevenantBacon I think the assumption of the trick was casting banishment on a target that is already in a demi-plane will return the target to the demi-plane when concentration on banishment is dropped instead of letting the spell go full duration and return the target to it's home plane (the prime material in this case)

So banishing smite to push target to demi-plane, caster gets into demiplane somehow, banishment to push target back to prime material, then drop concentration on banishing smite, returning them to the prime material (where they already are anyway), then let concentration on banishment drop, pulling them back to the place where that was cast from, which is the demiplane.

It seems like there's a lot of concentration going on there, so at least two casters are required unless there's a banishment magic item that can have the effect dismissed.

@GcL I described three casters.

That's also assuming that the demiplane created by Banishment sticks around after the spell ends, which is probably a shaky bet at best. Or that there aren't way of leaving said demiplane, or that it's even uninhabited. The only thingthat we actually know for concrete fact is that it's 'harmless"

I was less sure about how to get to the demi-plane.

Gate probably won't do it without sucking the target back to the prime material, as that's the use case for naming a creature as the target of gate.

Yeah, IDK what you would use to determine its exact location, since Banishment doesn't give you any indication

on the other hand, it's still incapacitated if you pull it via Gate, so you get 9 rounds of beating on it for free at least

Oh, actually, no, it isn't. It's only incapacitated while on the demiplane

I thought plane shift might do it, but that spell also needs to be given a location as the destination.

Which is true for both Banishment and Banishing Smite so as soo as the first is dismissed, it can act again.

@GcL Also, it's really hard to get a tuning fork that's attuned to a random demiplane.

Derp.... just use the spell demiplane ! and shove the target in there.

Although, how to get the spell to end early? Upcast dispel magic?

Regular cast of dispel makes it a DC18 to end a L8 spell. What's the expected bonus of a caster than can cast L8 spells or get an L8 scroll? I'm guessing they'll get that dispelled in the first or second shot.

@GcL You don't get to pick the plane the target gets sent to.

Demiplane, then telekinesis gets them into the demiplane. Still stuck on how to dispel it though.

@RevenantBacon It's just a small empty pantry or something? oubliette?

@GcL The only concrete fact we know about it is that it's harmless. The DM get's to pick any and all other details should the casters ever manage to follow the target there.

If you give birth in a Demiplane, does your child get banished to that Demiplane when targeted by Banishment?

@RevenantBacon Now looking up the spell demiplane it's a lot cooler than my recollection.

@Axoren The child has dual citizenship so can pick which location they get banished to, the demiplane or the origin plane of the parents.

Archmage and Wife spend their days raising a child in a Demiplane. A few decades later, that child is an adventurer and gets Banished by a Sphinx. Finds themselves in a rather large apartment with a child's play area and makeshift kitchen. Pictures of them and their parents on the walls.

Kid learns he's an immigrant from a Riddle Beast

You can use it as your own pocket dimension. Either back to one of your previous demi-planes or make a new one. "This is my demi-plane of stuff mother told me to clean up, but I didn't want to and just threw it in here." "It's mostly laundry, isn't it?"

@Axoren I would say that the home plane would automatically be whatever plane the parents were from, with the Prime Material taking precedent.

Clearly, a couple of generations need to be raised in the demiplane for this to work

It's a 30 ft. cube, right?

That's a two-story 1800 sq ft. property.

Demi plane filled with gelatinous cubes. "How did you even get them in there?" "Magic shrink wrap and pvc gloves."

Good for a duplex.

Nah, because it would default to the parents, which would have already defaulted to their parents, which would have defaulted to... you get the idea. Plus, most demiplanes are attached to a full plane

Wonder how well that'll sell in this market.

Besides, would a child born on the plane of fire be native to that plane even if both their parents were native to the PM who were just there on a short vacation? No, I think your native plane is not determined by where you were born. It would however, be a possible source of Sorcerer powers later in life

@Axoren Poorly? It's all about location, location, location. The answer to, "where is it?", is "no". On second thought.... if you had some decent illusion magic and put up a blue police box where the shadowy door was, it might do well.

@GcL No crime, quiet neighbors, front door is literally anywhere you want.

@RevenantBacon There is a deep history of planetouched humans in Forgotten Realms lore

I feel like something's being lost by not accepting that people's planar resonances can change.

@Axoren Yup, and most of them are native to the PM

@RevenantBacon They still gained the Outsider template

Not in 5e. Templates aren't a thing

@Axoren So will mixing mustard into your mac & cheese where other people can see you.

And the Genasi are native to the PM

@GcL ew. ick.

just sayin

Mustard is actually pretty good on Mac and Cheese

but only if it's Honey Dijon

@Axoren stahp. just stahp.

Pepperoni and Tuna is also delicious, but it can't be thin pepperoni.

@Axoren I'll see your pepperoni and tuna and raise you thin mints and canned nacho cheese dip.

@Axoren This belongs in here there be dragons.

Chocolate and cheese can be a pretty good combo. Not sure about adding mint into the mix. Maybe? I have Andes Mints, but I'm reluctant to try with those.

@RevenantBacon That sounds good to me.

@GcL I would hope so, it's supposed to!

@GcL Girl scout thin mints and Frito Lay nacho dip. Makes my wife about lose her cookies (Pun intended TM)

But I don't think mint and cheese go together

I've had mint with cheese on a nice cheese board once. It was novel and okay.

@JohnP I'd probably open the thin mints and completely forget about all subsequent steps aside from eating all the thin mints.

Cheese goes really well with Honey Dijon Mustard.

Mozzarella especially.

Come to think of it, I have put that on grilled cheese sandwiches before.

Mozzarella Sticks make the best HDM dippables.

Unrelated, you know how everyone loves Dragons and how cool and awesome they are?

One thing I'm working in as a theme for my next campaign: The reason for this, despite Dragons being incarnations of pure greed and destructive power, is because the Cult of Dragons succeeded.

They've twisted the perception of dragons to a positive one overall within the regions of the world least affected by them

People don't fear interactions with dragons, they write songs about them, use the term Dragon in branding their products and taverns, write books about Good dragons and playful dragons.

Puff the Magic Dragon is just Dragon Cult Propaganda.

And there have already been plenty of centuries of it.

I'm going to use this setting trait to get my players to dread and fear dragons again, because we've all become too complacent with dragons in the same way that it is in modern reality. Dragons are these far removed creatures of fantasy

And there's that fantasy allure to them

I get to hammer home the dangers of the Chromatic Dragons despite how moral or ethical they are individually, they aren't all fluffs and rainbows.

What about a rainbow chromatic dragon? They'd be a rainbow.

And they shouldn't be a fight to look forward to. They are the nuclear weapons of the Faerun and interactions with them should be of the kind where the players understand the collateral damage that could come from initiating war between them and humans.

@MikeQ There are no Rainbow Dragons that are Fluffy.

Really? Seems like an oversight from the dragon cult PR team.

If dragons have enough magic to level cities and destroy worlds, then they should have enough magic to make themselves soft and fluffy.

They were having trouble getting rainbow dragons to breed with fluff dragons. You can't force love.

Does anyone have e5 rules or heuristics they've like for running combat or encounters in cramped spaces? My upcoming conundrum is the below decks of a ship. The spaces just aren't big.

The party gets magically shrunk down to tiny size. Now the rooms are much larger.

@GcL how cramped? In which dimension?

@BardicWizard partition openings and doors are 2". The main corridor is 3" across. Rooms are 6x6 up to 8x20 for the large galley

The overall hull is 24x70 which is too small to coerce everything to a 5' grid.

Especially with the number of people on the boat.

@GcL RAW small & medium creatures can squeeze into a 2.5 foot space. "While squeezing through a space, a creature must spend 1 extra foot for every foot it moves there, and it has disadvantage on attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws. Attack rolls against the creature have advantage while it's in the smaller space."

(that's assuming you interpret "a space that is large enough for a creature one size smaller than it" to mean the next measurement down, not the next size class down, otherwise RAW, medium creatures can't squeeze at all...)

So if both sides are squeezing, nobody gets advantage or disadvantage on attacks. And nobody CAN, because you've got the other cancelling it out.