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BESW

12:41 AM

Sahoni_Stuff wrote a twitter thread with an incomplete definition of mudcore.

I'm gonna be adding this term to my vocabulary now.

user15026

@BESW "it's all over the place and I hate it" hard same and I am glad someone found a word for it

BESW

1:00 AM

@Ash It's such a perfect word.

Everything is dull and grim.

user15026

It works so well

Bardic Wizard

5:04 AM

I came out as nonbinary to my gaming group today!! Since it was (technically, still is) National Coming Out Day in the USA I thought it might be a good day to just say what I’ve been considering for months

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And they’re actively making an effort to use my preferred pronouns now which is really nice

Anyways that’s just a nice vaguely-RPG-related thing that happened

BESW

@BardicWizard Grats! That's really nice, thanks for sharing it with us.

Xirema

That's really cool!

Most of my gaming group knows I'm trans because I've told them individually, but I haven't actually said so to the group as a whole. X)

Bardic Wizard

5:22 AM

@Xirema that’s pretty much what happened here; my bff knew since I told him a while ago, and I’ve mentioned it in passing but never really just said it since I was a little worried about people’s reactions

BESW

On that note, I'd like to share Smatterbrain's Pride Turtle, for those who find Coming Out Day rather a lot. More turtles here and here.

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Adeptus

5:59 AM

@BardicWizard Which pronouns should we be using?

BESW

@Adeptus The Pronoun Assistant script lifts pronouns from a user's info and appends it to their name.

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Adeptus

6:16 AM

Thanks

lisardggY

8:06 AM

Hola.

kviiri

Hi lisardggY

One thing I've been wondering about pronouns, what's the origin of them being listed in that exact format?

lisardggY

As in, third-person-slash-third-person-possessive?

kviiri

yes

lisardggY

wait, not possessive.

Whatever.

Good question. I'm guessing tumblr would be where it was popularized.

kviiri

objective I think

My first instinct would be that the inflection needs to be disambiguated in some cases but as I can't think of such case off the top of my head, so it might also just highlight that "hey, these are pronouns" because just ending your flairs with "he" or "they" might seem like you dropped off mid-sentence

lisardggY

8:15 AM

Yeah, that's the one.

@kviiri I've also seen people who have different pronouns for the subjective and objective, but it doesn't seem very common

But I haven't seen someone specify their posesssive pronoun, usually.

kviiri

I hope the script understands "they/he"

lisardggY

Hebrew just has the one case for both subjective and objective, usually, and again, the possessive is usually not noted. Also, the language itself is a lot more strongly gendered so it's impossible not to note the gender everywhere.

kviiri

(I am kinda used to my gender not being explicit in every sentence about me so I modestly prefer "they" :D)

@lisardggY Semitic languages are so fascinating, I've been wanting to learn Arabic for a while after a co-worker (who is a bit of a polyglot) told me that it's so logical, "well-engineered" language that it feels like it has to be a conlang :P

lisardggY

I think they only feel that way at cursory examination :)

kviiri

Yea x)

That usually happens when one digs deep enough

OTOH another thing I'd like to learn is another Finnic language. Karelian has a lot of historical relevance, but Estonian has a lot more practical use

lisardggY

8:27 AM

There's a lot of structure that feels remarkably engineered. For instance, Hebrew words have roots - for instance, K.T.B which is the root for words related to writing. Or K.R.A to reading. And you have clear structures for different tenses and cases, so "he wrote" is katav (b and v interchange ) and "he read" is "kara" - both the same declension of the root.

hichtiv is "caused someone else to write" and hikri is "cause someone else to read" (generally, the first means "to dictate" and the second "to read out loud"), and they're basically taking the root letters and applying the template for the case/tense to them to get the well-known meaning.

Which is all nice and well until you get to the exceptions. And the changes to meaning over time. And to phonological changes that cause sounds to switch places.

kviiri

Yeah, the root system is particularly fascinating!

Fun fact: the Swahili class generally for inanimate objects and artifacts is prefixed with "ki-". Eg. a knife is kikata. The plural of such words is prefixed with "vi-" instead, eg. vikata for knives.

The word for "book" in Swahili is borrowed from Arabic, so it's kitabu, with the plural vitabu

Even though the "prefix" is actually a part of the root!

IIRC kimono has the same deal

lisardggY

There's a think in Turkish there's a thing where suffixes change to harmonize with the preceding vowel.

vicky_molokh- unsilence Monica

8:44 AM

Can't comment directly on Turkish, but a related language, (Kazan) Tatar, tends to prefer alternating vowels with consonants, and prefers keeping all vowels either 'hard' or 'soft' in the whole word.

Also, kitab is a word that sure does travel a lot.

kviiri

I think there's some social dynamics on literacy and books spreading that might influence it

In Estonian, the word for a "book" is raamat which come from the Ancient Greek grammata or somesuch. In Finnish, we have almost the same word raamattu except it refers exclusively to either the Holy Bible (usually capitalized) or figurative bibles

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9:24 AM

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