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Himitsu_no_Yami

12:00 AM

Maybe but I'm not sure

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HellSaint

12:15 AM

@Medix2 yeap, pretty much that.

Himitsu_no_Yami

Turns out, by copy pasting some text from a question here, I made it into the "Stupid Roll20 Tricks (and some clever ones)" thread on the Roll20 forums

Ben

12:52 AM

Morning all

Shalvenay

1:23 AM

hey there @linksassin, how're things going?

linksassin

@Shalvenay G'day. Busy, but alright. Yourself?

Shalvenay

@linksassin doing alright here, have a rather strange thought-experiment involving a Bladesinger rattling around my head as of late though

linksassin

@Shalvenay Interesting. I've actually been building a bladesinger to replace my druid in a current campaign. Druid is still alive but for story reasons I think the new character will be more interesting.

Shalvenay

@linksassin aaah. want me to throw it at you in a Discord PM?

(the thought experiment, that is)

linksassin

@Shalvenay Sure. Not sure if I'll have time to look at it today but always happy to think about RPG stuff.

nitsua60

1:48 AM

@MikeQ That's funny when you say "older editions of D&D," and are referring to editions after all the ones I played =)

(excepting 5e, ofc)

MikeQ

They're older than the current edition. Hence, older.

nitsua60

@MikeQ yup =)

(Reminds me of a professor who was always peeved at people who say "when I was younger." "Were you ever OLDER!?" he'd ask?)

linksassin

→ 24 messages moved to Discussion re:Bag of Holding in Astral Plane question

nitsua60

2:36 AM

@Himitsu_no_Yami Longer the message is, shorter it appears for.

Ben

3:09 AM

@linksassin Feels

gszavae

3:48 AM

Due to link rot this question contains a spam link: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/12534/vow-of-poverty-overpowered-or-underpowered

I couldn't find a method for flagging locked questions, not sure why.

Ben

@gszavae You'd basically just have to point it to a mod @Someone_Evil @linksassin @V2Blast

The Oracle

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Q: Should locked questions be unprotected?

There are a number of locked questions that are protected. This causes them to stay in the protected list indefinitely, hampering cleanup. Since there is no risk that low rep users are going to comment on locked questions, it would be helpful to unprotect them to clear them out of the queue. The ...

discussion

gszavae

4:03 AM

@Ben Cheers

Medix2

Of note: you can flag any locked post unless it is locked for historical reasons

Ben

@Medix2 Which the one in question is

Medix2

Hmmm how to search for protected questions...

Found a list

linksassin

4:26 AM

@gszavae Is it the link in the question itself? I'll just remove it if so

Haha nvm. As soon as I hit edit I got a warning for the link. I'll remove it.

@gszavae Thanks for letting us know.

@Medix2 Did you find an answer for that? I'm not sure it's possible.

Medix2

@linksassin It was in tools

linksassin

@Medix2 Ah yes. Just found it.

Medix2

@linksassin Oddly enough "protected:1 locked:1" brings up only this question

Oh... it's because the body uses the word "protected", weird...

linksassin

4:41 AM

@Medix2 "protected" isn't a keyword in search unfortunately. It should be but isn't.

Medix2

@linksassin Yeah I'm just amazed "protected:1" works at all

would've thought the :1 would mess something up

gszavae

@Medix2 for reference, I unprotected approximately 700 questions over the last week

Medix2

@gszavae 0_0

Is there a "recently unprotected" list?

gszavae

@Medix2 Not that I know of. I assume there's an activity list somewhere though

Medix2

I'm kinda confused why protected questions don't automatically unprotect after X amount of time tbh (probably some reason)

gszavae

4:51 AM

@Medix2 Agreed. The vast majority hadn't been answered in years, many of them never had a single deleted answer

Medix2

@gszavae Well at least your all activity page doesn't seem to list them

One problem of course is we can't know how much activity was stopped by a question being protected

gszavae

@Medix2 Yup. It looks like the intention is to protect for a short time, then unprotected and see how it goes, reprotecting if necessary.

Medix2

@gszavae Searching for feature-requests for changes now

gszavae

There doesn't appear to be any provision for preemptively protecting questions and leaving them for 5 years.

Medix2

@gszavae There's not exactly harm in protecting a question that is quite likely to get low-quality answers

But it definitely gets into some difficulty with "well how do know a question is quite likely to get low-quality answers?" the answer to which is probably "plenty of site-experience and intuition"

gszavae

4:57 AM

@Medix2 I'm not so sure about that. I don't see much harm in waiting for at least 1 or 2 problematic answers before protecting. It feels like a solution looking for a problem.

Medix2

Also TIL you can only protect a question if it actually has an answer by somebody with 10 or less rep (unless you're a Moderator)

gszavae

When I started looking through them last week I was a bit confused since many of them had no deleted answers at all and not a lot of answers in total. It's hard to say if it caused harm or good when a question with 1 answer and no deleted answers gets protected. Personally, I would be cautious.

Medix2

Also apparently questions that get multiple (5+) answers from low rep users in 24 hours are auto-protected

gszavae

Oh, I saw some that were protected by the community, so I'm guessing that's what it refers to?

Medix2

@gszavae I'd bet on it at least

I'm actually finding various people saying old questions with accepted answers should be auto-protected. (and counterpoints)

gszavae

5:06 AM

@Medix2 Generally, I would be against things that exclude new users en masse without a really really good reason. I don't think we have much of a problem with new users necroing old questions with bad answers. It does happen, but not so often that the queues can't deal with it (the queues are almost always empty they are dealt with so fast).

Medix2

@gszavae Agreed, though I don't know how other sites are doing I'd imagine we're just fine

Finally found a relevant question

@gszavae Also I'd perhaps have been more cautious/wary before unprotecting 700 questions. Though for all I know you asked about why they were still protected before doing so

All I found is the idea that a low-quality-answer-attractor is likely to remain a low-quality-answer-attractor as time goes on, though I certainly could have missed something

That was fun to think about at least so thanks for bringing it up! I think I'm gonna get some rest now, gnight

gszavae

@Medix2 I checked to see if they had any deleted answers if they had any activity at all, if there was a meta or reason listed in comments for protection that was unusual, and there was any evidence that they were going to attract any more attention. The vast majority of questions had no deleted answers, no recent activity at all, and no meta/special reason given for protection. I investigated the rest as best I could. If there's any that have problems, they can still be protected after all

@Medix2 Catch you later

Medix2

@gszavae Well I'd certainly call that thorough then, nicely done and I appreciate the cleanup!

gszavae

6:13 AM

This question mentions only 5e in the question but is tagged system agnostic and WoD. I was thinking of removing the WoD tag since it can cause problems. Any advice? rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/171346/…

Miniman

@gszavae The WoD tag is useful information, and they mention the storyteller system in the question which I believe is the same thing. So I definitely wouldn't remove that.

gszavae

@Miniman Should tags be moved around to include 5e too then? I think it may cause problems for people with tag exclusions if tags are included because they are incidentally mentioned but aren't integral to the question/answers

Miniman

Personally, my opinion is pretty much always that the system-agnostic tag is fundamentally nonsensical and only serves to encourage unfounded navel gazing, but I'm well aware that I'm in the minority there, and the OP put it on there themself.

gszavae

Well, putting that aside, having tags WoD + system agnostic on a question that mentions 5e is not ideal. Tagging a system + system agonistic doesn't really make any sense either. Answers should address the question anyway, tags should only categorize the question, not define the answers.

Miniman

@gszavae Well, yeah. If it was up to me, I'd rip system-agnostic out of there in a heartbeat. But I'm not going to mess with the tags the OP chose to put on their question, and the ones put there by others all seem to be describing the subject matter of the question pretty well.

It's not necessarily ideal, but that doesn't mean that it needs to be changed.

gszavae

6:27 AM

@Miniman Well, I know it hides the question for me, so I would prefer it to be changed in some way. Regardless I don't think "the asker put the tag" is a reason not to change it.

Miniman

@gszavae If you look at the comments, you can see the votes for and against the system-agnostic tag on that question. I'd prefer to remove it too, but I know I'm in the minority here, and I'm not going to put my own preferences above those of the community.

You have the privileges to do whatever you think is best, but you asked for advice, and I guess that's mine.

gszavae

@Miniman Cheers :thumbsup:

Adeptus

Kobold Press are giving away 5e adventure Sanctuary of Belches this week

BESW

7:09 AM

"Wizards of the Coast Freelancer Quits Due to Hostile Work Environment," tor.com article by Stubby the Rocket. Also references the statements by Lawrence Harmon and Zaiem Beg.

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"yes, we're still in lockdown" sale hosted by blake stone / fenced forest to fundraise for bills and such while they're unemployed.

Caro Asercion wrote a twitter thread "about agency in theatre, and agency in tabletop games, and their points of intersection and convergence."

Russ Wilde wrote a twitter thread about the tough choices people are making about their ties with Wizards of the Coast.

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Pandatheist wrote a twitter thread about "the place [of Dungeons & Dragons] in the market and the place in the community," "how things are and a direction they're likely to go."

At PercyPropa's request, Pammu wrote a twitter thread of indie Filipino games and creators for people to check out and follow.

Things are really hopping.

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SmokeDetector

11:48 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (62): What software can I use to simulate a deck of cards for playing online? by Nathan Stockton on rpg.SE (@Rubiksmoose)

Someone_Evil

12:00 PM

Could someone check something for me? Do you see the new prominent edit button on this question (which is closed+locked)?

LizWeir

I haven't spotted an edit button on there.

kviiri

me neither

Someone_Evil

Ok, good. I can probably live with that annoyance then

Rubiksmoose

That's what I see.

Someone_Evil

@Rubiksmoose But you, like me, can still edit that post. Promting us to edit it is a touch strange though

Rubiksmoose

12:06 PM

ahhhh I see what you're saying.

nitsua60

12:49 PM

@Rubiksmoose can you delete those three ^^ for me? I'm posting a meta, hopefully less out of frustration and not naming the user.

Rubiksmoose

@nitsua60 Done!

The Oracle

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Q: What is an "edit war" and is it ever appropriate?

I was recently involved in a series of back-and-forth edits to the tags of a question. In particular, the question lacked any explicit statement or tag designating the system, so it was closed in accordance with our don't guess the system policy. Another user (not the querent) added a system tag ...

discussion editing moderation

nitsua60

@Rubiksmoose ty

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