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5:00 PM
Rolling dice is fun? Hmm... If only there was some aspect of gameplay that involved dice rolls.
 
too bad. maybe dnd6e
 
@Medix2 It may seem odd for me to say this, but rolling up a character isn't meant to be a competition; all of the players know there is luck involved. But I guess I am also used to campaigns that are hard enough so that if the party does not work as a team there will be numerous dead PCs ...
 
There's also this Reddit post with all possible point-buy outcomes
 
... but point buy is certainly an effective tool. (I recall first seeing it and it making sense in GURPS waaaay back in the 80's ...)
 
I always forget how old gurps is
and rifts is up there, too, right?
 
5:05 PM
@KorvinStarmast Oh I don't mean to equate the stats to a competition. More that it can result in a player actually feeling outshined throughout the entire campaign because their stats are too low
 
@Medix2 equal parts "the DM should give them opportunities to shine" and "they need to find a way to feel shiny"
 
@Medix2 So just roll a d65 if you want a random distribution is what you're saying?
 
@KorvinStarmast Even if it's not a competition per se, it can be a drag if some players are sidelined because they can't contribute as much as other players
 
@DavidCoffron I don't understand
 
@MikeQ IME, I find that "one or two players are driving the game" to be a matter of who has the more forceful personality, not who rolled higher or lower.
 
5:13 PM
^
 
@goodguy5 There are 65 discrete options for point buy
 
@MikeQ But I am sure that will vary with each table.
 
(Sorry, I tried to edit for brevity but took out the part you quoted)
 
@DavidCoffron oh! duh. got it.
 
@goodguy5 I actually might try that. Seems interesting
 
5:14 PM
@MikeQ I think the point you make is based on what you have seen at table ...
 
How many non-discreet options?
 
@goodguy5 With order included? one sec
 
@goodguy5 When GURPS first came out, our gaming group was very intrigued, but this was one of those "the guy with the books had to move' and our gaming group changed, and then it more or less broke up as a bunch of us had to move ... so I barely got the level of exposure that I was hoping for.
Question for Fate players: would you say that Fate is GURPS polar opposite?
 
hrm. rifts was introduced in 1990
 
(Might be a really dumb question)
 
5:17 PM
@goodguy5 That's tough to evaluate actually, since numbers can repeat
 
@KorvinStarmast uh... not polar opposite. but pretty far apart on the spectrum
@DavidCoffron right?
@Xirema
 
@goodguy5 It's less than 46800 (but that number treats 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 11 as different than 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 11)
 
@DavidCoffron I think it'd be easier to roll the 1d65, then sequentially roll 1d6,5,4,3,2 to place the values
 
@goodguy5 Certainly
 
regardless, I like it
 
5:20 PM
@goodguy5 If you do that the distribution is actually the same as a d46800
but if you want 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 11 to be as likely as any other (rather than more likely since the 12s repeat), you have to figure something else out
 
@DavidCoffron not if you leave the duplicates for last, because then you get to a point where there's no roll needed
14 goes ___
13 goes ___
11 goes ___

then 12,12,12
 
@goodguy5 ah. If you aren't randomly selecting the order of asignment, you run into other problems (I think)
Nevermind, you're right. That system would remove duplicates as a factor
By symmetry and/or rotation of the abilities you can prove that a selected order is equally random; and saving duplicates for last gives the duplicates all a colective weight of 1 in the set
 
alright. I rolled the 25th set and then rolled to allocate those stats.

12 8 11 14 15 12
That's a fine cleric, druid, or even wizard
@DavidCoffron however, you run into pseudo-issues with multiple sets of duplicates
in that, you have to decide which set of duplicates to deal with first.
 
@goodguy5 AH. Fair
@goodguy5 I got 15, 15, 12, 11, 10, 8 which is kind of what I do for my actual characters sometimes
Order yields: 8, 10, 15, 12, 15, 11 ; Tanky druid anyone?
Or a tanky blaster cleric. That would probably be my go to. spirit guardians is nuts with a high Con for Concentration
If I was min-maxxing that set I could do a centaur in heavy armor (just taking the speed drop but still being able to keep up).
Than resilient Con after maxxing my wis for the +3 con mod and even bettter concentration
 
5:39 PM
I do like having tanky casters. makes me happy
because there has to be one buff wizard at academy
 
@goodguy5 Likewise. Why I love the War Magic subclass
@goodguy5 I feel like jock spellcasters should be a more common archetype. Think about how jacked you could get if you use magic to restore your vitality
 
It's like in this dev bootcamp I did.

There were a bunch of people that look like they work in an office, Then there was this one guy who was like 6'4" and if I had to guess, could bench 250 pounds at least.

Wore those toe-shoes all the time.
 
Often people forgets that 10 is the human standard, and all over that is exceptional. So your 18 Int, 11 Str, 12 Con Wizard, might even be a jock and play in the academy's sports team
 
@DavidCoffron yeah, they're called clerics, haven't you heard of them?
always running around in heavy armour hitting things with maces
sounds like a jock to me
 
@Helwar 10 (and arguably 11) are "average", but like being 1 point above that doesn't necessarily make you a jock.
just gives you an "athletic build"
 
5:43 PM
hang on hang on hang
 
@goodguy5 No no. But, "average" people play sports
 
are we saying that strength is...
the jockstat?
 
I mean by all that is, that a 10, even 8 str wizard doesn't need to be a frail willow
 
@Helwar Valid. I am probs like 9 str IRL and I'm certainly not "weak", just a bit below the avg
 
@Helwar OH! I get you
 
5:44 PM
@DavidCoffron hello certainly not weak
 
I misread and was making a separate point that 11 str is not "exceptional"
 
also hello probs like 9 str IRL
 
@DavidCoffron eh, you're probably kind of weak by the standards of a medieval laborer.
 
@Carcer That is very true
 
the jock stat should be a mix of STR and CON...
 
5:45 PM
@Helwar Or maybe charisma (if high school relationships are our metric xD)
 
are none of you going to acknowledge the excellence of my pun though
 
maybe?
 
People usually conflate CON with thicknes... but my fat belly doesn't give me any of the advantadges real Constitution should give, like enhanced stamina and endurance xD
 
@Helwar Would that mean that a high CON would give you a bonus to CHA?
 
@Helwar poison resistance and extra hp?
 
5:46 PM
@Carcer I missed it. It's not much a pun as a truth dressed in jest? xD
 
And maybe a malus to INT?
 
I feel like it was something to do with "jockstat" but I don't get it
 
@goodguy5 I mean I have natural poison resistance... To the point that anesthesics often don't work on me. So you might be on something there :P
@Yuuki Well... Not really. Everything should give you a bonus to everything if we played by real world rules
 
@Helwar Sorry, I was thinking about thiccness.
 
like... You can be super unaware, and have super eyesight
So is that bad and good wis? xD
 
5:49 PM
If you have a high WIS, maybe don't take a stool with you to use the urinal.
 
@Yuuki Unless you are short and they don't have lowered urinals available.
 
@Yuuki I don't get it O_o
 
@JohnP If that's the case, then your WIS wouldn't be very high, would it?
@Helwar "Whiz" is a euphemism for urination.
 
OH... TIL
 
@Yuuki Again depends on aim and trajectory. Young boys are notorious for lacking in one to the enhancement/detriment of the other.
 
5:51 PM
@Helwar "jockstat", like "jockstrap", argh
 
gonna pre-cook something so I only need to heat it up during the game tonight, brb in like 10 mins
 
@Carcer that was my suspicion, but I dismissed it D:
 
@Carcer I thought you meant this comment
no need to cook, I have leftovers!
 
huzzah?
 
@goodguy5 Still nothing in your area. A few esp in robotics programming in Philly, but that's it.
 
6:00 PM
I appreciate you keeping an eye out!
I'm always getting head hunters asking me if I'm interested in <insert job that's 45 minutes away in good traffic> and I'm like "no, I want to be CLOSER to home"

And they're like "but what if it paid you 10k more money?"

And I'm all "I can't buy more time with my son with that money"
it's a whole thing
This answer (which I commented the same on) invokes me imagining the highest initiative person staying in their seat, and then everyone else reshuffling into initiative order.
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A: Need way to physically track initiative in face-to-face D&D game

HotlushIf it's slowing down or complicating your game to the point it's annoying you and/or your players then consider not doing it that way. An easy, and much quicker, alternative is to roll initiatives and then go clock-wise from whoever has the highest. Up to you if you roll individually for all th...

 
6:31 PM
@goodguy5 Yeah, same. I'm looking at moving closer to work, or trying to transfer to a closer location for the same reason.
 
like, my wife? psh, she's old-hat. who needs to spend time with her?

Also, she doesn't go to bed at 630
 
Is there a reason this question isn't a duplicate of this one
 
@Medix2 I think it's a dupe. Never mind. The target is talking about spells that are not common to each.
 
At the very least I think I'll just copy-paste the answer there then, since it does answer
 
Although with the dupe rules that state if the answer answers it, then it's a dupe, I'm not 100% sure.
 
6:44 PM
I somehow linked the wrong one...
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Q: Can a multi-class Bard/Wizard write spells known from Bard, into Wizard spellbook?

SteveCCan a multi-class Bard/Wizard write spells known from their Bard class, into their wizard spellbook? e.g. they know the Comprehend Languages as a Bard spell, and want to write it directly into their wizard's spellbook? And what is the cost? ... i.e. 1 hour and 10 gp because they know it, or 2 h...

 
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Q: How does attunement work for the Gauntlets of Ogre Power?

AdrianoI would like to use the Gauntlets of Ogre Power, which states that the item "requires attunement". What am I supposed to attune it with? What are the requisites/requirements?

 
I feel like those questions raise another question:

How do you know it's a "wizard"/"Bard" etc spell?
 
We have that already
 
Does it say "Fireball, but not the bard one?"
 
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Q: What makes a spell being cast considered to be a {class} spell?

CTWindMy understanding is that when a spell is known or prepared via one of your class features, or if you cast it via a class feature, it's considered a "class spell" (sorcerer spell, cleric spell, etc.) for you. If you cast it via some method outside your class (items, etc.), it isn't considered a sp...

 
6:49 PM
@Medix2 that seems to imply that a bard/wizard could scribe bard spells (that are also wizard spells) onto a scroll and then copy them into their spellbook
 
This is also a bit logically clear because imagine you find a spell scroll, why would which class wrote it determine whether a Wizard could learn the spell listed?
Yes, it does
As this answer explains
 
if I'm reading correctly, all of those questions say it can't
 
"you should be able to craft a spell scroll of Comprehend Languages as a Bard (Crafting a Magic Item, DMG pg. 128) and then copy it into your spellbook from there [...] This would mean that spells common to both the can be scribed by a Bard and then copied by a Wizard."
 
@Medix2 Yeah, they can copy it but only on the bard pages, not the wizard pages. On the wizard pages the ink smears. :D :D :D
 
ah, okay. I was misreading it.
 
6:51 PM
I mean, it's confusing and weird and GM-y all over, so you're good
I'm unsure whether the question is a duplicate or not... I feel it is, but hmmm
I think I'll just copy-paste over the answer for now
 
One is asking "can I copy shared spells from memory to book"
and an answer is "no. you have to use a scroll as a middle man"

the other is asking "can I copy shared spells from memory to scroll to book"
And we've agreed that the answer is "yes"
I don't know if that meets our dupe criteria or not.
might be worth a meta, or summoning @Rubiksmoose for their opinion
 
@goodguy5 At minimum, no mouth breather or flatulence traits.
 
Oh great puzzling Alces, come to our aid!
 
@Yuuki huh?
 
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@Yuuki Honesty, the polluted oxygen is worse to deal with
By cycle 250 I don't have any more polluted oxygen on the map.
 
6:59 PM
oh dear lol. This looks awfully familar.
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Q: Multiclassing mayhem: should all these questions be duplicates of this question about wizards' spellbooks?

RubiksmooseCan a multiclass Wizard copy any Wizard spell they find into their spellbook? is a dupe target for a decent number of questions. However, I question whether some of them are actually duplicates. The gist of most of them seem to be that any type of question asking about learning or casting spells ...

 
Duplicates are... difficult.
 
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@Medix2 Useful when they get you to the answer for the case of your question. Less useful when you have to recognize the abstraction or general case and then figure out how it applies to the specific thing you wanted the answer for.
Sometimes it's nice to have someone spell out that a square is a rectangle, and that's why the answer to the rectangle question applies.
Otherwise it's a FU RTFM situation.
 
Yeah duplicates are extremely tricky once you get away from the easy cases.
In the end, the focus should be on grouping together the exact same question such that all answers can be put in one place and that effort is not being reduplicated for no reason. Easier said than done.
 
I just closed a number of questions given my question here
 
@Medix2 Looks good to me.
 
7:08 PM
Meanwhile I sometimes remember my question here and just hope we don't get even more similar questions XD
 
I don't have any specific advice on the first thing you asked about at the moment. I don't have a lot of time to give it the attention needed at the moment. But I suspect that I'd be just as uncertain now as I was when I wrote that meta.
 
Yeah that's fair, I'm just gonna let the question sit there and see what happens
 
@goodguy5 The characters that you control in Oxygen Not Included are called "dupes".
 
ah
 
@Yuuki damn this chat for addicting me to that game
 
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7:34 PM
@Medix2 Getting a lot of similar questions probably tells you that the duplicate of target doesn't come up in searches for answering the other questions.
@Helwar Have you seen Rimworld?
 
yes
I have seen a certain streamer rage with it :P
 
@GcL I love rimworld.
I try not to savescum unless it's something that's either complete bs or a mechanic I didn't know about
 
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@goodguy5 You know that probably counts against your overall morality score.
 
I was sad to find that if you started a new subcolony and harvest humans it still counts against your overall morale score
 
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Next question is... how many mods are you using?
 
7:38 PM
not many at all. I think just the one that lets you set your starters.

Maybe the one that lets you craft biotics, but I can't remember
 
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@goodguy5 Playing the game counts against your overall morality score. Probably just talking about it is likely deducting points by the minute for us both.
@goodguy5 I'm waiting for the 1.1 update to stabilize, then I plan on spending another 40 (read 400) hours playing it again.
 
be prepared, I think?
 
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Have a brand new coffee maker and a bottle of bourbon. I'm ready.
I do feel kind of bad for the raiders... but they make such nice hats.
 
Speaking of alcohol, I made some clarified milk punch recently. It's actually really good.
Also, didn't expect it to turn out that color.
tl;dr infused brandy and rum with some spices and lemon peel, added lemon and pineapple juice, poured into some milk, let it sit for the milk to curdle, and then poured it through a filter
The curdled milk is supposed to form a sort of protein net that binds to tannins and various other bitter flavors.
 
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@Yuuki interesting did you do a 25μm filter or mix in agar or some other protein aggregator?
 
7:48 PM
@GcL I just poured it through a paper coffee filter.
It tastes really clean, slightly sweet, with fruity notes and hints of floral.
 
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@Yuuki That's about a 25 micron filter. Nice work.
 
The coloration was interesting. The infused brandy and rum had this deep brownish-orange color to it while still being pretty clear and when I first mixed it with the milk and fruit juices, it became this cloudy tan color. After running it through the filter, it ended up a rather vibrant yellow and very very clear.
 
@Yuuki can I get a recipe? That sounds good. Not surprised about the color, considering you added lemon peel.
 
That does sound good
 
@RevenantBacon It's this recipe, but I cut half of the sugar, water, and lemon juice.
16 oz sugar felt really extreme.
Especially since there's already going to be lemon and pineapple juice.
And I cut half of the water because my largest glass container wasn't big enough to hold all the liquid.
 
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8:00 PM
@Yuuki Might have gone with less than half.
 
@GcL I kinda eyeballed the last bit so I probably did end up with less than half.
 
Have you ever made tepache? This seems sort of similar, but I haven't tackled that recipe yet either
 
I also didn't have any nutmeg in my pantry.
@Upper_Case Tepache is more fizzy, IIRC, because there's active fermentation.
I don't have any of the fermentation jar things with the burping nozzle, although I should probably put one on my shopping list.
 
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@Yuuki Sounds itchy... also would make laundry worse. I keep mine in a cupboard.
 
@GcL Why would you put laundry in your pantry?
 
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8:03 PM
@Yuuki If you have a university nearby, the surplus store is a good place to get that sort of lab equipment inexpensively.
@Yuuki Seems appropriate for nutmeg in your pantries.
There's probably a cumin joke as well, but I'm too lazy to formulate it today.
 
Probably something involving making cheesy puns on the Reggiano.
 
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I'm thinking about writing a search to identify all the posts I have that @V2Blast has not edited nor fixed.
 
oh, neat hat. Looks kinda like Steve, though.... Smells like him too.

WAIT DO YOU GUYS MAKE PERSONALIZED HATS?!

"person hats? why, yes, yes we do"

wait what?
@GcL zero results
 
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@goodguy5 Truth
Do you all have limits on the number of cantrips the characters could sustainably cast per day?
 
8:21 PM
@GcL I feel that
@GcL Are we talking about Pathfinder or 5e? Either way I never do. Most cantrips aren't impactful enough to bother limiting.
 
@GcL what do you mean? Without more context, I'm inclined to agree with bacon.
 
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@RevenantBacon I'm thinking along the lines of laryngitis or muscle fatigue. Having made one of those Minority Report style interfaces with an xbox kinect, any somatic component is going to get tiring after a while.
 
Also, ever look stumble across one of your answers and be like "man. good job me"
 
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@goodguy5 Rarely. If I have to look one of my previous ones up, I'm looking for a link to something else useful.
 
@GcL Eh. If there's suitable reason to cast the cantrip, the caster will power through somatic component fatigue
 
8:25 PM
two things.
1. I mean, they learned the cantrips in the first place through rote memorization and practice. so, no.
2. more importantly, that sounds specifically unfun
 
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@Upper_Case There's a limit to the ability to "power" through repetitive motion. E.g. trying opening and closing your hands with your arm held out a few hundred times. It adds up.
 
@GcL I just stumbled across my answer for how to get started in Tales of the Floating Vagabond. and enjoyed sniffing my own fart, so to speak.
 
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@goodguy5 1k casting of shape water is the current example.
 
@GcL True enough, but is that something you've come across? Casters casting too much, with some impact on a feature of the game? And would you impose similar restrictions on something like a Fighter swinging their sword too many times?
 
@GcL but why
 
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8:27 PM
@Upper_Case I do. You can't actually be in combat for more than a dozen minutes or so.
@goodguy5 because I have a player that likes to push edge cases... and cantrips are their new flavor of the year.
 
would you kindly explain the entire situation?
But my gut is:

Okay, Bob spends the next 2 hours wasting his time. What would everyone else like to do?
 
@goodguy5 "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn drown.”
@goodguy5 Yeah, first to think about is why do you want to prevent the player from doing something like this?
 
How do you handle the time limit for combat participation? If it's too niche to apply to excessive cantripping, could you apply the standard Exhaustion mechanics?
 
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@goodguy5 There are a few of them. Moving a boat via shape water. Creating a fountain via shape water. Extracting water from a larger source, ritual purify food and water, putting it into another container... Rube Goldberg desalinization.
 
@nitsua60 i have a wild interpretation i'm wondering about for the crossbow bolts question you answered
 
8:32 PM
@GcL Other than the purifying food and extracting water, these all seem to be within the intended uses of shape water
 
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@Upper_Case I do. Running battles or situations where it's prolonged engagements incurs exhaustion if they don't figure out a way to get short rests into the day. Which had led to some inventive solutions and more interesting planning ahead.
 
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Q: A crossbowman fires three coloured bolts, then spends one minute searching the battlefield, which bolt(s) does he recover?

Amethyst Wizard At the end of the battle, you can recover half your expended ammunition by taking a minute to search the battlefield. PHB.146 A ranger PC with a crossbow has three ordinary bolts. He's very creative and painted the bolts different colours, the primary colours. One bolt is red, one bolt is ...

 
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@MikeQ It is. It's how many times can you say the incantation per day. Speaking for hours on end even just repeating a phrase is taxing.
Like, cantrips aren't free... but what's the appreciable cost? 100 castings? 200, 500, 1k?
 
Hmm... Well, what's the longest casting time for a spell? 10 minutes for rituals?
 
@doppelgreener why did you link that. it just made me mad lol
 
8:35 PM
here's my theory:
1. ammunition is meant to be fungible. any bolt is the same as any other bolt. when you recover your ammo, you recover half your bolts.
2. if you use multiple distinct types of ammunition, you recover half of each. if you fire ten bolts and twenty arrows, you get back half your bolts (five) and half your arrows (ten).
3. your bolts are either fungible or distinct, one or the other.
4. in making your bolts distinct, you don't simply have bolts now—you have red bolts, blue bolts, and yellow bolts, one of each. you fire each one.
5
 
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@MikeQ casting time is a per unit factor. How many hours is a reasonable time to be performing vocal and somatic parts of spells? Casting for an hour seems reasonable. What's the upper limit? Eight seems... excessive.
 
You could introduce a rule where performing actions almost nonstop within an hour period causes 1 point of exhaustion. Discuss with the table first.
 
@doppelgreener haha. that's very mean and certainly against the spirit of the rule, but I quite like where your head is at.
I prefer: "You recover 1 bolt. It is half red, half blue, and half yellow"
 
Green bolt. Now it's a mystery.
 
@doppelgreener If I hadn't spent all my votes downvoting the question and others like it, I'd say to post that as an answer and that I'd upvote it
 
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8:45 PM
@doppelgreener Are the colored bolts really distinct? They have the same attack, damage, effect, etc. Aesthetic alterations don't make the bolts a fundamentally different kind of ammunition. Divide and round down seems unsatisfactory in that it's missing the forest for the trees.
 
@GcL Sorry, just got back. So are we talking about casting this cantrip repeatedly without stop for several hours? because yes, then I would cap it.
 
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I do appreciate amethyst-wizards line of questioning. Poke the edge cases to determine a copacetic modus operandi.
@RevenantBacon Me too, but what's a reasonable cap? and what's the consequence of running into it?
Narratively, I've been leaning towards laryngitis
 
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Q: Is there an item that confers Detect Magic?

oliver-clarePlaying Curse of Strahd, we've found that Lord Von Zarovich seems to be able to cast Alarm (or something like it) that operates from hundreds of miles away. It seems like a good strategy for our party might be to use Detect Magic extensively. The spell should be able to detect the presence of a ...

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Q: Shooting through spaces occupied by a large creature

ShaunI was wondering if I could shoot through a large creature like the image below? On the right image, one of the players insists that a large creature shouldn't be able to fill up the 10x10ft space, therefore should still be able to shoot through the large creature (orange) and hit the red for ma...

 
@GcL Anything over 1 hour. Consequence is 1 point exhaustion. I was going to suggest "dry throat" or something, but I imagine control water could easily bypass that.
 
@goodguy5 manbearpig. he's half man, half bear, half pig.
 
8:49 PM
@KorvinStarmast Yes, HAM is quite (potentially) useful - its benefit adds up over time, especially since quite a few enemies make nonmagical weapon attacks. ...Though as written, it only prevents damage from "weapons". It never got errataed to refer to "nonmagical attacks" instead of "nonmagical weapons" as the MM monsters were. Though Crawford says here that it works against natural weapons too: sageadvice.eu/2016/10/29/…
 
@doppelgreener Honestly, this makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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@goodguy5 This is the one true answer.
 
@MikeQ I think a point of exhaustion after a solid hour or two of casting would be reasonable
 
I especially like it because it allows me to say a phrase I love saying.

Me: Half red, half blue, half yellow
Player: Wait, what?
Me: I SAID WHAT I SAID.
 
@GcL CON checks, starting at DC 10 and increasing by 2 for every full hour spent nonstop casting, with spell failure + 1 level of exhaustion ? Gives the PC a chance to succeed, a fair standard
 
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8:58 PM
@Upper_Case That's neat. Spell failure isn't a big deal when casting a thing 200 times. I like the increasing risk of fail.
Actually, it's like ~600 times an hour, but whatever.
 
@Medix2 The other aspect of stats, besides being outshined (e.g. why would the party want you trying to persuade people when your modifier is lower than that of multiple party members?): Sometimes players have a certain concept they want to play, but their stats are simply not good enough to be good for that character concept. Thus, they're forced to either play a character who's not as competent at what they're supposed to be good at, or they're forced to play a different character.
@goodguy5 I suppose how discreet the options are really depends on how openly your group shares information about their ability scores :P
 
booooo
 
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@V2Blast I've run into this. I've seen players want to play a combination of Iron Man + Captain America and aren't happy that they can't "just be good at everything"
Although I do have a two player only campaign that requires two exceptional characters. Essentially, it's a story where the players have to follow or get ahead of some bumbling idiots and make it so the idiots succeed at their quest. The failure states are if the players are discovered to be helping or if the idiots don't actually do the deeds.
 
I'm interested in developing some nemeses for players in one of my games, but I'm not sure how to best do that. I've thought about asking a question here, but I don't think I can get it away from idea-generation territory
 
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@Upper_Case You should try asking that sort of thing in the rpg chat, but be warned... you'll likely get a bunch of jokes and puns and crap like that.
 
9:11 PM
@GcL Specifically, I'm thinking of MAD classes/subclasses that are... just not good at one of the things they're "supposed" to be good at, because their stats don't support it - e.g. "gishes" that are good at martial stuff but terrible at spellcasting, or vice versa, rather than being at least okay at both. Obviously "being good at everything" is not feasible most of the time.
@GcL :thinking:
 
@Upper_Case Well, I'd suggest that you give one of them some nice curved horns.
That way, they're not a nemeses, they're a ram-eses.
 
booooooooooooooo
 
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I warned them.
 
@GcL It was a fair pun
 
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@Upper_Case redit isn't a bad forum for idea generation posts.
 
9:13 PM
@GcL That's a good idea
 
@V2Blast Generally, if a character concept requires more than two stats at "primary stat tier" strength, the character concept is something like "good at all the things" which isn't really a character concept.
 
@GcL 👀
 
Unless you're playing a monk, because ALL stats are primary stats for a monk :(
 
Maybe I should just try some spaghetti-at-the-wall flailing, since none of the potential nemeses will be crucial to the narrative structure of the campaign
 
@RevenantBacon Rolling doesn't guarantee "primary stat tier strength" for at least 2 stats, which is the context I'm replying in.
 
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9:14 PM
@Upper_Case If it doesn't matter and the players don't glom onto it, don't spend much time on it.
If the players glom on... then that's your jam. doesn't matter how inconsequential it was before... their fun is the path to pave.
 
Yeah, I guess that's fair.
 
As for making up a nemesis, it depends on what you want. There's the dark reflection (aka, the Marvel classic), a character similar to the protagonist whose purpose in the narrative is to represent the flaw that the protagonist must overcome.
 
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I literally have a NPC family with the surname "Inconsequentia" that is now part of the main story development because the players decided they were going to help build that family's fortunes.
 
Unfortunately, some classes were just built that way from the beginning. Monks and Pallys are the worst offenders IMO
 
@GcL Having a nemesis may matter (if only for player interest), it just won't matter "which" nemesis actually survives to trouble them. But you're right, the best move is probably to toss some candidates into the mix and just see who survives and doesn't make the players groan to deal with
 
GcL
9:16 PM
@Yuuki Is that the thing with the goatee ?
 
@GcL No, in the MCU, the protagonist is usually the person with the goatee.
 
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@Upper_Case Or the ones they really really want to smite. Not like, oh they're bad and in my way... but they go out of their way to go smite. That's your guy.
 
@Yuuki That's a good approach too, but then I'm more dealing with a more major NPC that must survive the narrative, which isn't necessarily what I'm going for. I'm thinking more along the lines of super sentai enemies, where the BBEG has minions who are opposed to individual heroes on the sentai team
 
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Also, can be fun to give that guy to them if they make enough of a deal planning and getting them... only to find that they were only doing the thing because of a worse nemesis... who embodies the thing they don't like but worse.
@Yuuki So the protagonists are bad guys?
 
@GcL I mean, given how many bad guys exist because of Tony Stark for some reason, apparently...
I mean, there's literally all of his villains in his movies, there's Ultron, and then there's all two bad guys in the Spider-Man movies...
 
9:23 PM
lol
oh btw, I don't think I ever mentioned it here
I started working as a localization manager for the game Nova Drift last month (it's on Steam, itch.io, and now GOG)... And as of a week or so ago, I'm now working as their community manager as well. :)
 
@V2Blast Nice!
Congratulations!
 
Thanks :)
 
@V2Blast Awesome!
 
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@V2Blast I thought your job was to make the posts on this site readable and better.
Weren't you being paid like 100 upvotes a week or something?
 
Hahaha
I do that for free because I'm a perfectionist :P
 
GcL
9:28 PM
I do it for fun because I'm a revisionist. /S
 
Thank goodness! We don't have the upvote budget to pay V2.
 
GcL
@V2Blast When is it expected to come out of Early Access?
 
You know what they say: an upvote saved is an upvote earned.
 
GcL
@Rubiksmoose Psshhh take them from the mods. They don't use them anyway.
 
@GcL I think it's sort of a formality in the sense that the game's already totally playable (and lots of fun), but it's being continually developed. I'm guessing Chimeric will consider it "ready for full release" when the campaign mode is out.
@GcL Would I be paying myself? :P
 
9:32 PM
@GcL Those are my upvotes. Mine!
 
GcL
@V2Blast I've been caught by that trap before. No more Early Access for me.
@Rubiksmoose Users only upvote you because they like your antlers. I hate to be the one to tell you, but ti's true.
 
I restrict myself to one Early Access game a year at most (if at all) because of this.
 
@GcL gasp well... they are quite lovely though aren't they?
 
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@Rubiksmoose We figure you must work out.
 
@GcL Haha. Fair enough. But it is totally playable from my perspective. The dev is quite active in Discord and responsive to feedback. You can check out a few videos or streams online to see how it plays :)
 
GcL
9:34 PM
@V2Blast I'm all for less socially active devs and more slaving coding. I want the bugs fixed and content produced, and I don't want to hear any guff over it! /S
 
I don't play it as often as I'd like, but I often call it addictively fun - the unlock system means there's a ton of replayability. Every time you finish a run, you generally unlock at least a few new things... And then you want to try out that thing you just unlocked so you start again :D
 
@GcL Thanks for noticing! I also got some new antler wax.
 
Gameplay is sort of asteroids-esque at its core, with a bunch of weapon, ship body, and shield upgrades, as well as a whole bunch of other mods that can be applied to your ship.
 
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@Rubiksmoose The was must be what's making everyone luster after your antlers.
@V2Blast They're making enough upvotes to pay you is a good sign.
 
lol
Lots of different enemies, each with their own movement/attack patterns. The tons of different upgrades also means there's a lot of different build combinations you can make and experiment with
Kinda reminds me of theorycrafting in D&D :P
 
GcL
9:37 PM
@V2Blast Are any of them nemesis? and how many were created by Tony Stark?
 
lol
Apparently there is an underlying story but so far we've only gotten hints about it. I suspect Tony Stark is not involved, though :P
 
GcL
@V2Blast Well that's too bad. Means none of them are easy as pi, because they're not bringing this conversation full circle.
 
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Q: Where did this dungeon come from that was spiral shaped and contained a statue of Dagon?

NathanSI remember there being a dungeon for D&D 5e, possibly as part of an AL adventure (I don't remember it being in a full published adventure like Out of the Abyss, etc), but if it was AL, I don't remember which season (probably one of the earlier ones, though), or exactly how long ago it was. Me thi...

 
10:10 PM
@HotRPGQuestions If Harry Potter found himself on a street lined with temples to the Great Old Ones, would that be Dagon Alley?
 
10:38 PM
@goodguy5 lol! perfect
@GcL well, sort of, if we want a deterministic answer to the question. either you recover 1 bolt (and it's one of those three at random), or you recover each as a distinct category of ammo.
 
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