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GcL

8:00 PM

I'd name him, Jack Bupkis: Master of Mediocrity.... or maybe the mediocritical. Battle cry would be, "Meh!"

John Clifford

XD

"I sure do have a toolkit full of relatively-decent stuff!"

Someone_Evil

The most Jack of All Traits character

John Clifford

The highest level you could have any class at would be 9th if you had at least 1 in all of them, right?

Someone_Evil

@JohnClifford Yes, there are 12 classes in the PHB

John Clifford

(I think there are 12 classes but could have missed a couple)

Ah, cool.

If you wanted to go MAXIMUM MEDIOCRITY have 1 level in 4 classes and 2 in the other 8. XD

Someone_Evil

8:04 PM

On that note, do we know if the Artificer will be in the new Eberron book?

John Clifford

I thiiiiiiink so but don't quote me on that.

I'm sure I saw someone mention it would be.

NautArch

don't' ask me, i only write about old eberron books :P

JohnP

> In addition to an adventure set in the misty, mystical Mournland, Rising from the Last War brings Eberron’s artificer class to D&D 5th Edition. The first new class added to 5e, the artificer uses arcane science to create magical inventions and infuse objects with magical powers.

> Also returning are Eberron’s dragonmarks, magic sigils that appear on a character’s body, and dragonmarked houses, powerful families descended from dragonmarked ancestors who wield their considerable influence from the shadows.

NautArch

kinda sounds like they may make Wayfinder's like UA and this is the official.

but who knows with WoTC. They seem more likely to just toss stuff out and say "go" recently.

GcL

I'm upset they were charging $20 for the UA

John Clifford

8:07 PM

That would make sense, Naut.

I'm kind of in the same boat. I don't feel we should be paying significant prices to test their ideas for them.

nitsua60

@JohnClifford ~~significant~~

JohnP

@JohnClifford Works for Bioware.

GcL

Feels like a bait and switch. The impression I had for Wayfinder's was that it would be eratta'd but would be official eventually.

John Clifford

Hey, I'm not happy about BioWare doing it either. :P

GcL

Not, the content will be part of the official books and you can pay $25 more for that one.

JohnP

8:08 PM

@JohnClifford Me either, I'm just saying it's a proven model. :p

John Clifford

I did think it was funny that someone in a thread the other day was bitching heavily about having to pay for content in DnDBeyond that he already bought from WotC.

JohnP

Luckily I'm not an early adopter, so I saw the reviews and skipped ME:Andromeda

Someone_Evil

I seem to recall seeing a collectors edition playtest book for PF2e at my LGS

John Clifford

I'm like yes that is how companies that are not the same company work

It'd be wonderful if Wizards decided to discount DnDB digital content but I'm pretty sure they also like money too.

GcL

@JohnClifford That could have been me here. I'm not particularly enamored with selling the same content multiple times. I'd happily pay 120% for the physical artifact and a digital license, but 200% for both sucks.

John Clifford

8:10 PM

They are pretty heavily discounted all things considered to be fair.

David Coffron

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Q: Multiclassed character with all classes - any reason this can't be done in 12 levels?

I was recently watching some Youtube gaming videos and came across this one in which the narrator created a character he said was book legal: a 14th level character who had at least one level in each basic class. The player in the video was allowed to make the character as a 14th level character,...

GcL

Good find

John Clifford

I view it the same way as console games: the developer isn't going to give me the Xbox One version of a game for free because I own it on PS4.

nitsua60

@JohnClifford I would be much more sympathetic to Wizards on this count if they'd had a plan, never mind actually announced it, for their digital distribution when they dropped the core set.

John Clifford

Okay, I'll agree with you there.

nitsua60

8:12 PM

For years they produced material and gave us only one way to get it, and no hint as to whether and how we might ever do otherwise. Then, when you'd had the chance to sink three or four hundred dollars into paper, they announced a second method would be coming.

(I forget exactly when DnDB was announced, but I feel like it was PotA or OotA era?)

GcL

@JohnClifford I would concur with you for games. They're a different beast altogether and even getting assets to play nicely cross platform is ... uncomfortable.

Yuuki

> All-round character: good at everything

Press X to Doubt

John Clifford

It launched in August 17.

GcL

Also, there should be a significant overlap in the overhead of material that goes into a digital presentation and a corresponding print version. Printing books is a hella expensive endeavor in comparison to making a born digital representation.

Yuuki

I suppose it's not as bad as it would be in previous editions since there's proficiency bonus which is essentially character level scaling.

David Coffron

8:15 PM

@Yuuki I think we have a question somewhere about an "optimized" build that uses max multiclassing

Yuuki

But still "good at everything" is a bit of a stretch.

GcL

Like all gimick characters, would be fun for a short run

Someone_Evil

The sheer number of features and having 6 (if not more) sources of spellcasting sounds like a headache

Xirema

Ironically, that ultra-multiclassed level 12 character could be substantially better with just two more levels, 1 in druid and 1 in Paladin.

Raging Smiting Bear. =O

nitsua60

@JohnClifford So, that sounds about right? 5e was '14? '15? ToD was two $30 books, PotA was $50, SCAG was another $30 or $40... $300 at the low end by the time they said "and, yes, we will do something digital."

John Clifford

8:19 PM

Yeah, fair.

Oh god, raging smite-bear.

David Coffron

@Xirema Especially since then you aren't worried about having no ASIs by level 14

John Clifford

But then once you have the raging smite-bear multiclassing into the other classes seems relatively pointless.

GcL

@nitsua60 Definitely lessen any animosity I bear towards pirates.

JohnP

@GcL That's kinda un-bear-able.

Xirema

@JohnClifford At that point you pick up Warlock Levels for the rest of the campaign to sustain better smites.

John Clifford

8:21 PM

Holy crap I might actually try this next time I'm a PC.

@nitsua60 5e launch was in the second half of 2014, so that lines up.

nitsua60

@GcL (note the date carefully: two months before DnDB announcement)

May 5 '17 at 1:19, by nitsua60

@JoelHarmon I prefer having both. Maybe someday WotC will even figure out that I'd prefer to pay them for that privilege.

John Clifford

Yeah, what's with the official digital content coming through Curse rather then WotC in the first place?

GcL

@nitsua60 That's my sentiment exactly

John Clifford

I never really followed the early days of Beyond so I'm not sure how that came about.

nitsua60

(Now, the last two years have proven that I don't actually want to pay them very much for it. Not as much as, say, I want to pay for my kids' braces. So I ate my words and deleted my pdfs. Even though I'd still rather an offline-access way to get at them, that feels like some serious goalpost-shifting on my part.)

NautArch

8:27 PM

@nitsua60 aren't you on my dndbeyond? Or did you not sign up for it?

JohnP

@nitsua60 Do you not feel comfortable having non WotC PDF versions if you bought the book?

nitsua60

@NautArch I don't know, honestly. How would I check?

@JohnP I was perfectly comfortable having those when WotC wasn't providing me a way to get them legally. Now that they do (basically, though I'd certainly prefer pdf to DnDB), I got rid of the pdfs.

NautArch

@nitsua60 Hmm, not sure you do. But it also only says 11. So not sure if I"m 12 or if there's a spot open.

emailing you a link to try

JohnP

@nitsua60 Ah, gr0k. Makes sense.

David Coffron

@Xirema Raging Smite Bear with Bardic Inspiration, High-ish level Spell Slots, Hexblade's Curse (scaling despite multiclass), a cleric domain (there are multiple useful ones), unarmored defense, Expertise and favored terrain for out-of-combat, and a bunch of cantrips

JohnP

8:31 PM

Huh. Humble has a Warhammer:Dark Heresy bundle going: humblebundle.com/books/…

nitsua60

@JohnP And I still have an irresponsibly-big collection of old pdfs of things I used to own (BECMI, 1e, 2e) but ditched during college that I'm slowly replacing with honest copies now that dndclassics is a thing.

JohnP

@nitsua60 Ugh, I would hate to have to curate my PDF collection now.

nitsua60

But somehow I can't stomach the idea of dropping a thousand dollars on pdfs of old books all at once, though I'll drop the same amount in $15 increments over the course of a decade.

V2Blast

@Someone_Evil Yes, it'll be in both WGTE and the new book.

John Clifford

Can't you get the entire set for like $500 at the moment?

V2Blast

8:33 PM

@GcL WGTE will be updated with the final versions of the content within it, plus artificer once it's done. I assume they're waiting until artificer's done to update the whole thing based on the UA feedback

David Coffron

I'd definitely go Barbarian 1/Bard 1/Cleric 1/Druid 8/Fighter 1/Monk 1/Paladin 2/Ranger 1/Rogue 1/Sorcerer 1/Warlock 1/Wizard 1; let's you get four hours on combat wild shape and max your Wisdom modifier

nitsua60

@NautArch It looks like I've joined. With the character "Sulla," and I have no idea who that is.

(Aside from the 2nd-C BCE Roman general/politician.)

So what does joining do for me?

V2Blast

@JohnClifford Pretty sure WotC was just not planning on doing a digital thing, and then Curse approached WotC with a presentation of how they'd do it

NautArch

@nitsua60 Gives you access to nearly all content

John Clifford

Yeah, that makes sense.

NautArch

8:38 PM

Either through me or through others who have ownership. But you've now get digital access to almost everything @nitsua60

V2Blast

Yep, content sharing is enabled so the content owned by anyone in the campaign is shared with everyone else in the campaign

John Clifford

I have it through both a friend and one of my players.

V2Blast

and I won the Legendary Bundle in a raffle during a dev stream (some time before Ghosts of Saltmarsh) so you should have access to everything released before that point. (and possibly some stuff released afterwards, from others that own them)

John Clifford

@V2Blast Thanks for the formatting edit on my Robe of Eyes answer.

V2Blast

@JohnClifford No problem :)

David Coffron

8:42 PM

@JohnClifford V2Blast is the king of format edits xD

John Clifford

Man, it would suck if casting Light, Continual Flame or Daylight on a Robe of Eyes caused its wearer to be blinded.

nitsua60

@NautArch Cool--thanks. I'll poke around.

David Coffron

These folks are those who edit most

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron heir apparent, actually.

David Coffron

(nitsua's link is more revealing than mine xD)

I didn't think he had like 45 times my number; I knew it was way more but that's absurd XD

nitsua60

8:47 PM

@DavidCoffron I didn't realize they'd surpassed greener. And gonna vault past SSD within a few months at this rate!

Yanno, with cantrips scaling at character level, that absurd multiclass isn't thaaaat <slaps self>. No, it still sucks to be 12th level and have neither multiple attacks nor any upper-level magic.

Yuuki

41 mins ago, by Yuuki

I suppose it's not as bad as it would be in previous editions since there's proficiency bonus which is essentially character level scaling.

Among other things.

David Coffron

9:07 PM

@nitsua60 Yeah; if you can start at level 17 or higher and round out the character (an ASI or 2, 3rd level spells, or a nice MC build), it woudn't be awful, but at level 12 it is very meh.

Honestly, Fighter 6 with one level in everything else isn't the worst. (you get your primary AS up to 20, and Extra Attack, Action Surge, and a Martial Archetype)

nitsua60

Yeah, but then you're a fighter without indomitables, with small archetype bonuses, without the three combat-feats you "should" have....

Whatever--obviously we're talking about at least 8 if not 10 "wasted" levels.

David Coffron

You get some boons though; Expertise, Bardic Inspiration, lots of cantrips; far from optimal, but there is a cost-benefit

nitsua60

(And this coming from a MC-lover.)

John Clifford

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David Coffron

A 1 dip in Druid, Sorcerer, Wizard, and a few others are totally useless

nitsua60

9:12 PM

Okay, room: what's the best 6-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 build (5e, WotC material, UA at your own risk) you can think of? (And throw in one more level wherever you like to make it 20.)

John Clifford

I'm still putting my money behind the smiting rage-bear.

David Coffron

@nitsua60 6-2-2-1.et.all is tough; with 6-4-1.et.all I could work with something (get another ASI and level-3-archetype)

MikeQ

@nitsua60 Does it have to be 5e? Official WOTC only?

nitsua60

I was thinking of that, yes, based on the linked question. But yes, Cyberpunk could be interesting =)

@MikeQ edited.

David Coffron

@nitsua60 I think it has to be a Fighter 6/Paladin 2/Wizard 2/1 et all. Hex Warrior to capitalize on Charisma SADness and you get smites and Extra Attack. Bladesinging is also very efficient for only two level. You go Half-Elf to have 13/13/8/14/13/20

[and hope you can find an amulet of health ;)]

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9:18 PM

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David Coffron

You get unarmored defense too, so it might be better to do 14 in wisdom or dexterity

Or you could pass on Bladesong and do Medium armor with 14 dex

Half-Elf Fighter 6/Paladin 2/Cleric 2/1 et all (Channel Divinity is nice); 13/14/8/14/13/20

Probably Eldritch Knight for the spell slots or Samurai for the advantage on attacks

Then you grab Paladin 3 at 20 for an Oath

Definitely Wild Magic for Tides of Chaos (which for you is advantage once until you use your warlock slot to cast a sorcerer spell to recover it)

Monk is totally useless though (unless you are disarmed)

BESW

9:50 PM

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KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 I am going to work on that when I get home. Nice challenge.

@Nits Mine starts with a half elf chassis, or a v human for a feat ... or a mountain dwarf .. will get back to you.

@DavidCoffron the wizard dip yields a bunch of 1st level spells as rituals out of the spell book. (Alarm, find familiar, a few others).

nitsua60

10:06 PM

I wonder if Pa6 is the winner: given that the build is going to be crap compared to the rest of a party, is the Aura of Whatever actually the best single thing you can do to contribute?

That or stunning strike? (Except your DC is horrible. Maybe Portent it.)

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 IMO, it's a very big benefit. And I'll have to MC two in warlock to get a nice ranged attack.

nitsua60

Of course, your CHA is only going to be +3.

MikeQ

@nitsua60 As long as CHA is +1 or greater, it provides some benefit

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 Yes, but it still helps.

If I take a half Elf with 3 12's and 3 13's, I end up with 14 Ch, 12 Con, 14 Dex, 14 Str, 13 Wis, and 13 Int. (the last +1) 14 14 12 13 13 14. Going Fighter gives two ASI, but going Paladin yields 1 for a 16 Dex. With all of those spell slots, smite smite smite.

for the level 2 choices, I go Warlock, Druid, and maybe Diviner. Maybe Rogue to get expertise in something ... thinking.

I'd likely go Sorc at first for Con Proficiency saves if I didn't choose Fighter at 1.

Sory, 16 Con not 16 Dex.

If that single level of Ranger does anything for me, it's Favored Enemy .. and a free language.

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast

CTWind

10:22 PM

I'm tempted to say Fighter 6, paladin 2, warlock 2- fighter 6 gets you an extra ASI, paladin 2 gets you smites, warlock 2 gets you 2 short rest spell slots. Level 1s are just as many full casters as you can grab to pump up your spell slots for dumping into smites.

Would need to figure out what the ability scores for that look like, though.

Extra level would probably go into barbarian so you can do rage crit fishing for smites

Ben

10:55 PM

Morning all

Shalvenay

hey there @Ben, how're things going?

Ben

I have the flu! [Children's party sound effects]

Lol

Otherwise I've been pretty good. Been busy with work and social activities, which is a nice change of pace.

How about yourself?

MikeQ

Greetings from the surface world

Ben

@MikeQ Salutations, surface dweller.

Black Spike

11:11 PM

all y'all

Ben

Yeah, nah. Yeah.

Nah

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trogdor

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Ben

11:28 PM

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