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12:01 AM

@BlackSpike Roll for Shoes is a very small RPG.

Aha. I've heard the phrase ...

I might use it in my game :) the super-solider and the psychic investigator probably have at least "shoes". the drug-addled scientist and the blood-addicted, sugar-addicted pretend-vampire: Roll for Shoes!

Ben

It might be the ambiguity of the "roll for […]" phrase as well.

Black Spike

I tend to free-form a lot ... Roll for {...} appears quite frequently

Sometimes I do like my players, on that. There's a borderline call, and I'll roll a d20 in the open, "Did I bring [x]?" ... i roll a 12 ... I'm "hmmm .. maybe" .. player is "that looks like 'NO'".

16=definitely YES, 7=definitely NO. I hate middling rolls!

BESW

heh. That's one of the reasons I like the granularity of resolution in systems like PbtA, Fate, Cthulhu Dark, etc.

Anything that's just a yes/no binary has to have a really good reason for the binary or I'm gonna ignore it.

Black Spike

12:19 AM

Quite the opposite, sometimes. i just need a binary yes/no. granular yes/but, maybe, no/and ... 12-out-of-20 .... no, i think I'll just flip a coin

SmokeDetector

12:40 AM

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Ben

1:03 AM

r🐘

BESW

1:15 AM

Ben

Hehe

MikeQ

@Ben Challenge mode: How quickly can you annoy guests with "elephant in the room" puns

Ben

@MikeQ I am currently the reigning champ of this. It's at the point where I will begin telling a story, and halfway through, people will ask if this is "leading up to a punchline"

Because I can apparently not take anything seriously. lol

"Ok guys, we need to address the elephant in the room.." (Turns to elephant lamp) "I apologise for leaving you out of the conversation"

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: If the Dragon's Breath spell is cast on a familiar, does it use the wizard's DC or familiar's DC?

XGE has a spell that lets anything that breaths spew magical energy from its mouth for 10 rounds called Dragon's Breath (p. 154). Part of it reads: Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw, taking 3d6 damage of the chosen type on a failed save, or half as much damage on a...

MikeQ

@Ben You need to address the elephant so it can feel acknowledged. Otherwise it might feel irrelephant.

Ben

1:28 AM

@MikeQ irr🐘

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor every sweater Mae West ever wore. (By the way, we used to call the life jackets Mae Wests a few decades ago. No any more)

@Ryan Yeah, warlock is a neat class. Lots of customization options

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast and hey again @Ben

Ben

Heyo

KorvinStarmast

@BlackSpike yeah, it's interesting political theater.

Shalvenay

@Ben still busybusy? :)

Ben

1:35 AM

Not overly at this point, but I will be leaving soon

KorvinStarmast

hey shal

Shalvenay

@KorvinStarmast how've things been? mind if we talk in the back room a bit about spell selection btw?

KorvinStarmast

Yeah, over I go!

linksassin

1:46 AM

@Ben Did you buy an 🐘 lamp just to make that joke?

JohnP

@KorvinStarmast evening sirrah.

Shalvenay

hey there @linksassin and @JohnP

Ben

@linksassin … not yet

linksassin

@Shalvenay G'day, how's it going?

BESW

@Ben Not just to make that joke. An 🐘 lamp is its own reward.

Shalvenay

1:47 AM

@linksassin alright here, as for you?

linksassin

@Shalvenay Much that same. Late start today after a late night of database migration.

Ben

@linksassin Oh yay... that's my favourite thing!

Shalvenay

been dealing with rude vendor library behavior at $work as of late :P

(aka "how not to handle SIGSEGV")

Ben

@BESW This is very true.

In all honesty, my father is the elephant collector. Not intentionally, he just kept getting elephant statues (small ones), and now has about 30 different elephants around the house

linksassin

@Ben How can you get 30 🐘 statues by accident?

Ben

1:53 AM

@linksassin He just kept receiving them as gifts. I think it started out as a "luck" thing (a statue of an elephant with its trunk raised is supposed to be good luck), then after a while people started to assume that he liked elephants. Lol

JohnP

@Ben I brought my parents back a hand carved baby elephant from India just recently.

Ben

He actually has never purchased any elephant-related items ever in his life.

@JohnP Oh lovely!

KorvinStarmast

@JohnP we be talking level up choices in back room ... sorry

JohnP

@Ben not even a (wait for it) trunk to store them in?

@KorvinStarmast no worries. Just waiting on nit to get back from wherever and see his pings.

Ben

@JohnP [rim-shot]

KorvinStarmast

1:57 AM

cool

JohnP

@Ben my fav char to play for whimsy is a pun based bard.

Ben

I'll be honest, I am a little jealous of his collection. There are some rather magnificent ones there

JohnP

@KorvinStarmast did Mrs mast okay the hex glass?

KorvinStarmast

@JohnP we are advised by Mrs S to revisit this topic in July.

travel ...

BESW

I'd be tempted to get r🐘 decor, but that way lies those haole expat bathrooms where Ganesh watches you take a wee.

(@trogdor knows what I'm talking about.)

Ben

2:00 AM

@BESW Isn't Ganesh always watching?

BESW

Ugh, no, Ganesh isn't a creeper.

Ben

Well, not watching.

BESW

You know how "cutesy motivational poster on the bathroom door" is a trope in some places?

Around here, there's a particular kind of home with a bathroom stuffed full of expensive tchotchkes from their vacations in Thailand.

Ben

@BESW The sort where you open the door and immediately die of suffocation due to Ganesh-Knows-How-Many incense and perfumed wood items they have stashed in there?

BESW

That's the extreme version, yes.

Ben

2:05 AM

Haha,

I can say that I have experienced said version.

BESW

And of course you can usually tell it's that kind of home before you see the bathroom. There's at least two wooden masks on the wall in the living room and one of the lamps is wood carefully carved to look like somebody found it on the beach.

Ben

@BESW Yeah. That one piece of driftwood carefully mounted over the fireplace, on its own special stand

BESW

Ben

I get the "smile and nod" reflex.

BESW

There's a whole community of people here for whom that's normal. And I look to them like I'm part of that community.

Maybe I should write a short horror RPG about it.

Ben

2:12 AM

@BESW Would read.

Actually I was talking to a guy that likes to write short stories about Super heroes/meta humans don't want their abilities. Like, they use them to overcome their own mental health issues, etc.

BESW

Hm. That makes me think about Sundown's approach to disability with the setting's ability to change your body.

Ben

Sort of Like Jessica Jones, except to a more extreme degree

@BESW ?

BESW

That's what you get when a transhumanist game is written by people with physical and mental disabilities.

Ben

Interesting

BESW

yeah, I'm really happy to see so many new games that are both by and for marginalized people.

See also '"The Wave Is Building" – An Interview with DC' by Evan Torner for Analog Game Studios.

Ben

2:36 AM

I noly got about halfway through it, but it looks interesting

V2Blast

@BESW I mean, I guess that's one form of "overcoming obstacles"... in this case the obstacle is being unable to pee while being watched

Shalvenay

@BESW -- reading that interview...interesting stuff

@BESW hey, mind if I ping you in a Discord PM actually? you might be a good sounding-board for something that's on my brain

Ben

I gotta dash... Ciao for now!

V2Blast

later @Ben

BESW

@Shalvenay Sure, but I may not be able to respond smartly right away.

V2Blast

2:43 AM

How's everyone doing tonight?

BESW

@Ben ttfn

Joshua

A bit stressed for no good reason

BESW

Would you like a good reason? I'm sure we can come up with one for you.

Joshua

I've worked out the physical characteristics of the tome of star flight; you pretty much need a blast furnace to destroy it

JohnP

@V2Blast 'sup V?

V2Blast

2:47 AM

@JohnP Not much, just having some pizza + whiskey and coke

relaxing a bit

JohnP

Cool. I'm playing with the char gen on DnDB

Joshua

if I could figure out how to get permanent fire resistance on an item I'd love to add it.

MikeQ

@Joshua Keep the tome underwater, so it can't be lit on fire

V2Blast

@JohnP nice. I rarely "theorycraft" characters - I basically only make them when I'm in a campaign and come up with a new concept that fits that game

JohnP

@V2Blast I only know the very basics of 5e, trying to see the various effects of races, etc.

V2Blast

2:51 AM

ah, cool cool. I've played for about a year and a half

Joshua

@MikeQ: I could actually do that. It can't be destroyed by water as it is.

JohnP

@V2Blast I played some 5e when it first came out, but not since the second boy was born, so...3ish years.

V2Blast

@JohnP haha, I see

base game hasn't changed much, just a bunch more subclasses and spells. plus expanding to additional settings (Eberron, Ravnica).

JohnP

@V2Blast So I gather. I want to get into a group, but not many around here that aren't full.

MikeQ

And by a "bunch", that's maybe twice as many subclasses than in PHB, and a few handfuls of spells. We're not talking 3.X degrees of inflation.

V2Blast

2:58 AM

@JohnP Have I already extended a Discord invite to you? :)

JohnP

@V2Blast Yeah, but I haven't had much chance to be on it.

V2Blast

@MikeQ yep

@JohnP cool cool.

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Stackstuck

@BESW what's this game?

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4:49 AM

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BESW

5:01 AM

@Stackstuck Sundown (free preview download) (Kickstarter link with more details). Sundown is a low tech science-fantasy set in a transhumanist frontier. Think cyberpunk goes wild west. It's an episodic, queer game that focuses on otherism, class, and colonialism.

Stackstuck

Thank you.

BESW

Their Discord channel and Twitter account are linked in the Kickstarter.

Stackstuck

5:18 AM

Getting a server slot open would be a pain. Darn.

Stackstuck

5:42 AM

...Why is 5e my 'top tag' when I've gotten the vast majority of my rep from Anima, anyway? How does that even get calculated?

BESW

What's your mouseover stats?

Stackstuck

Asked 12 non-wiki questions with a total score of 48, gave 2 answers score 2 / asked 27 questions score 121.

And I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be finding any questions to answer since i'm the only person to have asked anything in the tag in the last...I don't even know how long.

BESW

If it hasn't changed in seven years...

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A: What defines a "Top Tag"?

Exactly what it says on the tin: the 40 top tags are the 40 first elements in the tag list. That list is ordered by the number of questions decorated with each tag, descending. Also note that the Generalist badge won't be available until all of the 40 top tags decorate 200 questions or more.

Ahah!

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The main displayed stats for Tags have always been for Answers, with Questions demoted to only be mentioned in tooltips. With the new prominence of the Top Tags in the new-style Profile page, perhaps it can now have a Questions view as well (i.e. without having to look at the tooltips, which are...

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Stackstuck

...then why is it 5e, again? I have skills and proficiency with total score 4 each.

They're even in front of 5e in the list.

BESW

And yeah, I feel you on the dearth of subject material. I'm the only person to ever have asked a question about danger-patrol-pocket-ed ki-khanga masters-of-umdaar cthulhu-dark and great-ork-gods

Stackstuck

5:56 AM

Sheesh. You have it worse than me.

Are you getting any answers?

BESW

Sometimes I answer myself. Sometimes it takes more than a year to get an answer that's not gonna get deleted outright. And if you ask questions about extremely obscure but modern systems... sometimes the creator shows up to answer it.

Three out of four Ki Khanga questions are still without any answer at all.

But honestly I can't blame anybody for that, it's a bizarre and obscure system.

Every other question has at least gotten an answer, even if it was my own.

Stackstuck

Yeah.

I think I have like...3 I'm still waiting on any answer on, and a whole lot more I'm waiting on a quality answer on.

linksassin

@Stackstuck I think your "Top Tag" is the one you are closest to getting a badge for. Which is a combination of number of answers and answer score. That's why 5e is your top tag.

Stackstuck

Ah.

BESW

@Stackstuck Honorable mention goes to the tag where the only question other than mine is just asking "what's this game BESW is asking about?"

Stackstuck

6:13 AM

snrk

linksassin

@BESW If someone asked a question for every one of your games we would have a lot more questions on obscure tags.

BESW

@linksassin I'm pretty sure we've got people who started asking Roll For Shoes questions because they learned about the game from questions on this site.

...I just ran across an old answer where I got downvoted for... saying that 3.5 has conflicting rules and that's okay?

Stackstuck

wh
why

BESW

I don't know, and I'm just guessing as to the reason for the downvoting.

It's not a single downvote, I get those semi-regularly and consider them just noise in the system; if you're never getting downvoted it means nobody's reading your posts.

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A: Can you take the run action underwater?

If ruling strictly by the book then it's a matter of what "the book" means for your group. I'd recommend exercising DM adjudication to allow or disallow running as seems appropriate for the specific narrative context. Going by the DMG, applying the effects of difficult terrain is a GM call in al...

I'm guessing that people who just want a rules-as-written explanation don't like the editorial, and people who just want a common sense ruling don't like the rules-as-written discussion.

Oh hey, I'm also the only person to ask questions about inspectres.

Stackstuck

6:36 AM

...That game sounds pretty fun, actually. From what limited information I was able to glean from the questions.

BESW

InSpectres? Yeah, it's pretty fun!

And the core mechanic around running a small business is solid enough that I'd recommend it as a basis for games with similar concepts.

Basically you've got a small business. You earn points by finishing jobs, and you can put the points into different parts of the business like Research and Credit. Then on your next job you can spend those points to improve your rolls in order to do your job better.

The big tension, then, comes from taking big enough jobs that you make a profit, but not so big that you go bankrupt trying to finish them.

(And if an employee needs to take time off after a stressful job, that comes out of your points too.)

V2Blast

that seems pretty cool :)

BESW

6:52 AM

And every time someone mentions a thing the business has, like a fax machine or a company car or whatever, that player rolls their character's own Technology stat and describes details about the thing accordingly.

In one of our games, the company car was a minivan airbrushed with a scene like a heavy metal album cover, and our research library was the stack of heavily annotated old D&D monster manuals in a cardboard box in the back of the van.

We also had a photocopier machine that never broke or ran out of ink, but it made snide comments about whatever you were copying.

V2Blast

@BESW amazing

BESW

@V2Blast I think it's a great example of a game that's designed for fun and interesting stories rather than strict "balance." Snide comments don't have any mechanical drawback, nothing but an opportunity for roleplaying funny moments in the office.

When you roll badly and are told to add a drawback to the thing you're describing, that's a good thing for the story, it's not about "balancing" the fact that you got a cool thing.

BESW

7:18 AM

I just remembered, one game of InSpectres that I ran with a friend who hadn't played many, if any, non-D&D games before. His eyes practically bugged out of his head when he realized I was using local family and place names in the game.

Like, we weren't playing in a European fantasy land, or TV's Americana, but here.

linksassin

@BESW How dare you? You are only allowed to use your imagination in the pre-described fantasy world of imagination. Anything else is heresy.

BESW

It was great.

Especially since for us, localization means extra "not like anything in books or TV or movies," because the family names are Chargulaf and Taitano and Quichocho; the locations are Yoña and Talofofo and Mongmong.

linksassin

@BESW Closest I've come to this is using street names and signage as inspiration for NPCs. Theres a street called "Great Ryrie St" near me and guess who was the villain in a one shot I ran? "Ryrie the Great (self-titled)"

BESW

Hee.

We also did a session of Dog Eat Dog set in local reality; we played activists working a native-language-awareness stall in a local festival.

That was really intense because it was re-framing everyday interactions we're all familiar with.

V2Blast

@BESW This game? drivethrurpg.com/product/198050/Dog-Eat-Dog

BESW

7:30 AM

yup.

And our Bubblegumshoe campaign is in a lightly fictionalized version of the town where I went to college; we use Google Maps for our map of it.

linksassin

@BESW I think I might steal that idea if I ever run a modern setting.

V2Blast

On a totally unrelated note: it's looking less and less like this Starfinder campaign I signed up for is happening...

BESW

@linksassin There's this feature where you can make a private instance of Google Maps and share it with your friends so your group can make annotations and notes and things.

linksassin

@BESW That's cool. I know you can reskin the map as well. Custom colour scheme as such. I used it for my wedding invites.

V2Blast

@BESW :o that is cool

BESW

7:59 AM

@V2Blast @linksassin google.com/maps/about/mymaps

For example, this map is annotated with information from the Evil Hat post-zombie-apocalypse setting Morts.

kviiri

10:15 AM

Hey everyone

Glad to see Tumbleweed and Reversal badges are being retired.

vicky_molokh

@kviiri Hey. My first reaction to the removal of Reversal was negative, since I saw it as encouraging answerers to be friendlier, but the new variant of Reversal seems to still be good, and if I'm understanding correctly, its earlier incarnation had issues with implementation/counting.

kviiri

@vicky_molokh Yeah, the new version of Reversal seems like it's promoting more positive outcomes

vicky_molokh

@kviiri My only regret about the new reversal is that requires the question to rise into the positives, which I think is too optimistic/strict a requirement.

Carcer

it's only a badge

vicky_molokh

10:31 AM

Well of course it's only a badge, but badges are used to show what are the behaviours rewarded by the site owners using fake Internet points.

Like the necromancy badges are used to show that it's OK to necromance old threads.

Carcer

yeah, and the behaviour they're trying to encourage in this case is answers which make questions look better

kviiri

Well, in the old reversal case, it didn't really work.

vicky_molokh

Yeah, as I typed, I did see that it had problems of implementation.

kviiri

Snarky answers to bad questions often net more points than actually useful answers to ok questions, and that too is a problem

vicky_molokh

@kviiri That's one I haven't considered. Though OTOH, snark seems like a good reason to pull a flag.

Carcer

11:47 AM

@vicky_molokh in our brave new stack exchange future, yeah

but historically

vicky_molokh

Flags are a new thing?

Carcer

there's an attitude which doesn't change that quickly

flagging for something as "mild" as being snarky, yes

SE's whole "hey, let's try and be friendly to each other" is a pretty new thing

KorvinStarmast

12:12 PM

@BESW huh, that's a well presented answer. I don't get the down vote. I up voted it since it makes sense.

Carcer

@KorvinStarmast keep in mind that answer is +5/-4. I expect it's people disagreeing because they think the rules are not actually ambiguous

BESW

Thanks. I think people just get snippy about the idea that their system of choice doesn't have Great Universal Rules For Everything. Especially if it's a system like GURPS or d20 which advertises itself that way.

KorvinStarmast

@V2Blast sorry to here that.

BESW

@Carcer yeah, I'm taking a really literalistic, pig-headed read on the rules there, because I'm giving multiple perspectives and bloody-minded is definitely a common way to read the 3.5 rules.

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KorvinStarmast

12:19 PM

@Carcer When I find an answer that makes sense, or has a particular approach that I feel is good, I don't care if it is a one point answer where the accepted answer has 70. I'll up vote it.

@Carcer While I can certainly play the hair splitting and rules parsing game, and I have on a number of occasions on this stack, it's not how I prefer to approach the game or the hobby. Seen too many rules disputes that were IRL at the table (versus arguing back and forth on the internet which is its own game) ruin RL fun.

Carcer

@KorvinStarmast wasn't trying to argue you shouldn't, only meaning to point out it wasn't just one passing downvote

KorvinStarmast

@Carcer I am able to view answer scores. :-)

Carcer

I am very good at telling people things they already know, please respect my skills

KorvinStarmast

@Carcer We bow in awe at your mad skills ... 8^D

Getting a sensible answer on a 3.5e question that includes the "what makes narrative sense" approach is IMO refreshing to read.

goodguy5

what is "bloody-minded"?

KorvinStarmast

12:24 PM

Might be a brain aneurism? j/k

my uncle almost died of one of those

Carcer

@goodguy5 bloody-mindedness is basically extreme stubborness

or being deliberately uncooperative

is primarily british usage.

goodguy5

ah, classic britishisms

BESW

@Carcer It was +3/-4 this morning.

Rubiksmoose

12:44 PM

Morning all :)

Carcer

morning reeboks

goodguy5

@Carcer No, you're confused, his name is roblox

Rubiksmoose

@Carcer How did you find out about the secret new company-sponsored moderators SE initiative?

Carcer

Rubiksmoose

hahahaha! Perfect

Soon to come: DoppleMeanGreener

NitsuaSmartWool

Anyways, these custom-made reeboks feel great on my hooves!

Anyways, how's everyone doing today?

Derpy

12:58 PM

@Rubiksmoose Another pony! Finally!

Carcer

@Derpy rubiks is a moose, not a pony

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy [puts Reeboks hat over antlers] hello fellow pony!

Derpy

@Carcer an unicorn is a pony with an horn. A moose is clearly a pony with two horns.

Carcer

@Derpy and two hooves per foot

so a moose is basically just a double-unicorn

Rubiksmoose

@Derpy can't fault that logic!

goodguy5

1:02 PM

good5guys

(5 guys is a regional burger joint)

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 they have spread out all over the country ... and yes, I like them.

G. Moylan

You'd think with all the burgers they sell they'd have run out of their 5 guys by now

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast well, the US, yes, but I don't think they have much of a footprint elsewhere.

Carcer

there are some 5 Guys in the UK

GcL

1:21 PM

I find the uniform quality of chain restaurants convenient, but the internet has made finding local places pretty convenient as well.

Rubiksmoose

Hey I worked in fast food, and I found the uniforms to be distinctly low-quality.

G. Moylan

I worked at a particularly fast sandwich shop and I had to buy my own t-shirts to wear on the job

they were also terrible quality. We were also required to purchase and wear a hat

Sir Cinnamon

I think there are laws against that sort of thing now

i mean... maybe not universally but at least in some places

G. Moylan

The one nice thing about it was they just pro-rated our first check for whatever we purchased, but that first check subsequently kinda sucked

Carcer

1:41 PM

an employer that forces you to buy equipment from them in order to do your job is absolute scum

GcL

@Carcer Didn't Dante reserve the 4th circle of his hell for those corporate types?

G. Moylan

all those eerily quick sandwich shops are franchised, so it wouldn't surprise me to find out that just our owner was doing that. Guy was a real tool

Derpy

@GcL Fourth is avarice AND prodigality. Nope, those go all the way down to 8th Circle - Fraud.

Because Fraud it is.

G. Moylan

1:58 PM

yeah in retrospect that should have been my sign to just leave, but I was 20/21 and really needed a job

the other signs should have been when the owner made us come in even though there was 22 inches of snow on the ground, and when you had to find your own replacement when you were sick. if you couldn't find one, you had to come in

Carcer

@G.Moylan I don't blame people stuck in awful jobs for needing awful jobs to get by

it's very easy for people to say "if it's so bad you should just quit" when that's not really a realistic option for lots of people

JohnP

@G.Moylan Finding your own replacement is not uncommon in entry level shift jobs, unfortunately.

G. Moylan

yeah I see all these posts online about "life is too short! just quit your crap job and start doing what you love, everything will work out" and almost everyone writing them is either extremely wealthy or has been very lucky. If I could quit my current job and just do whatever I felt like, I would. But that is so far away from being an option

@JohnP food service though. They made us come in and sneeze on peoples sandwiches.

JohnP

@G.Moylan I didn't say it was right :) And yeah, that's gross.

G. Moylan

hopefully with the prevalence of job automation we'll start seeing a cultural shift from working to live to working as an option, but that's a suuuper long way off from reality

Ryan

2:09 PM

@KorvinStarmast yeah I'm really excited! Warlocks always been my favorite class in games and think itll be a much better fit for me then Wizard which is something I've never played in any game

Carcer

@G.Moylan it'll be a necessary change but a really, really painful one, I think

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I'm not sure about "what bonuses will a PC get" is clear on the tarrasque wrestle to death question.

JohnP

I'm looking at that rather interesting adamantium golem creation question. I think it is entirely possible.

NautArch

Even if they go that route, that's a weird question. Breaking it down, it's just about grappling and creature size categories.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch It kind of seems like that is what they want though no?

And the answer is pretty easy: you get no bonuses and you can't grapple it to death

Or am I missing something?

Someone_Evil

2:22 PM

More, there aren't really rules for wrestling inside dnd-5e (outside grappling) and certainly not for strangling. It would be DM adjudication, but here are the rules for suffocating so your DM could use this to determine how long it would take.

JohnP

ok that was a bit odd.

Someone_Evil

@JohnP what was?

Sir Cinnamon

@Someone_Evil Haha the classic 15 minutes of strangling

okay exaggeration - 6 minutes

G. Moylan

@Someone_Evil seems like a Strength(athletics) contest would handle this

JohnP

@Someone_Evil Newish user posted a question, I vtc as a dupe and they immediately deleted it.

NautArch

2:33 PM

@Rubiksmoose Maybe? :D They haven't responded to any questions yet, but hopefully they will. It is funny that it's two pyros talking about grappling a tarrasque.

JohnP

@Rubiksmoose - got a question - My warbow redux is on hold, and I really like the adaptation that is in the answer. Do I delete and repost with the answer as the basis? Or post a new question? What procedure should we follow, and should I ask on meta since this is a new tag/process?

Someone_Evil

@G.Moylan Yes, there are tools a DM can use, but there little/nothing saying "this is how to strangle someone" (in game rules, obviously)

JohnP

Ah, I see. Never mind.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon The CON score of the tarrasque is gonna make that hard. And it's gonna destroy you while it's grappled (if it's even grappled). That thing doesn't have to move to destroy.

Rubiksmoose

@JohnP I was 3/4 through an answer too :(

Sir Cinnamon

2:35 PM

@NautArch If you're able to grapple the tarrasque in the first place you've got something going for you

JohnP

@Rubiksmoose oops. Well, undupe it, post answser, dupe close it and I'll upvote your answer. :p

Rubiksmoose

@JohnP I'd say take it to meta.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon You've got a tarrasque right next to you that's going to absolutely obliterate you :) Usually being in melee range of it is exactly where you don't want to be :)

Rubiksmoose

@JohnP :P OP thinks it is a dupe so that is good enough.

Xirema

Uh oh, I upset people over at SO.Meta again.

Rubiksmoose

2:41 PM

@JohnP I'd say take it to Meta.

Xirema

> StAcK oVeRfLoW dOeSn'T hAvE a ToXiCiTy PrObLeM, yOu'Re ToO nEw To UnDeRsTaNd!1!1!

NautArch

@Xirema Ridiculous. Sharing information should have a responsibility attached. Ignoring that is absurd.

DucksGoMooful

Jesus, the elitism in that 3rd comment

JohnP

@Rubiksmoose Done, although I'm not entirely happy with the wording.

Xirema

Does 5th Edition D&D have rules for Forest Fires, or do I need to derive my own before my next session on Monday?

Someone_Evil

2:47 PM

@Xirema You're on your own. Half the forests in D&D are magical anyway, so who's to say if they'll burn

NautArch

@Xirema Is this something in LmOP?

JohnP

@Xirema d20srd.org/srd/wilderness.htm#forestFiresCr6 that's 3.5, I'm looking for updated.

The Oracle

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Derpy

@Xirema think that deserve some nice flagging....

Xirema

@NautArch Yeah. Our Artificer started a fire right before they entered the Cragmaw Hideout, and no one bothered to put it out before they left the scene.

@Derpy To be honest, I'm not sure it crosses the threshold where I'd start flagging comments, I just find it really funny because it's such a perfect, completely un-self-aware manifestation of the problematic attitudes on SO.

Yuuki

2:50 PM

@Xirema Like a campfire?

Or like a "set some bushes on fire" fire?

Xirema

@Yuuki No, she set the nearby thicket on fire to kill off the last goblin that was bleeding out without wanting to waste time on a few more turns of combat.

Yuuki

Yep, that'll do it. Although instead of a forest fire, might I suggest a combat encounter?

Perhaps with a giant talking magical bear with a hat?

G. Moylan

@Yuuki ~~bear~~ owlbear

Mark Wells

@G.Moylan werebear?

G. Moylan

@MarkWells Where!?

Xirema

2:54 PM

Smokey the Bear would be most honestly represented in D&D as an Owlbear, change my mind.

G. Moylan

@Xirema as long as he's wearing a hat (and maybe pants), we're good

JohnP

@Xirema Why not a nice little encounter with the dryads of the trees?

NautArch

@Xirema I'm always a fan of "actions have consequences", but fire is do darn prevalent as a damage tool that you do need to be careful about when/if you're going to have it have outside effects. Forest fires do generally put themselves out over time with problems mostly arising when they cross into settlements. Is this near a settlement?

Someone_Evil

@Xirema Set fire using what method (/what spell)?

Xirema

@Someone_Evil The Firebolt cantrip, targeting the bushes themselves (AC12, she actually missed the first attempt).

> A flammable object hit by this spell ignites if it isn't being worn or carried.

Mark Wells

2:59 PM

@Xirema I initially thought "druid in bear form" but as 100% of forest fires in my games have been started by druids, it seems hypocritical of Smokey to put the onus on "only you". Or you could check the weather report before casting call lightning, bear.

So yeah, Smokey the Owlbear it is.

John Clifford

I somewhat ignored the "worn or carried" part in the name of Rule of Cool when I had my wife's Fire Bolt cast set Doru on fire when they let him out of the undercroft.

Ryan

John Clifford

I mean, a vampire is a flammable object, right? XD

Ryan

weee my Warlock on Hero Forge. Thinking Ill order it

MikeQ

@Xirema Smokey's a werebear. When they go on their lawful good rampages, they approach wanderers in the forest and inform them of fire safety tips.

John Clifford

3:09 PM

They also set up soup kitchens for homeless adventurers and surreptitiously turn over nat 1 dice.

NautArch

@Ryan FYI, I did a heroforge, but got the STL file and sent it to ImpactMiniatures for printing.

supposedly they've got better quality in their plastic.

I did get a steel heroforge before which was nice, but it lost a lot of detail.

Got the ImpactMiniature back and it's really nice. One of my employees is currently painting it :)

Xirema

@JohnClifford TBH, I'm not sure why they include rules like that for most fire spells that can ignite objects. I kind of understand for Firebolt, since that would make the cantrip a lot more powerful, but for properly leveled spells it's a strange restriction.

John Clifford

Yeah, it's kind of funny that you couldn't, say, ignite an NPC's cardigan until they take it off and lay it down somewhere.

Derpy

@Xirema asked a mod to keep an eye on the tone of the comments. We will see if that helps in any way.

On a related notice, it is always nice to see how a generic question that provides a specific case sample will always and inevitably answered like you were just asking about the specific case, ignoring the more general one in the process.

Ryan

3:25 PM

@NautArch interesting and good to know. I'm thinking I might just do the cheapest plastic for $20 and not worry about ever trying to paint it TBH. Or I'll keep using the one miniature I have and bring a print out of that to just show the table what the character looks like in my head

Derpy

Because I mean... you were clearly just asking why that specific post was deleted, right?

NautArch

@Ryan Just sayin' it'll be cheaper and better detailed from the reviews I"ve seen to go with Impact. I haven't ordered a heroforge plastic to compare, though. Also,Impact prints on a blue rather than the white/grey. Doesn't make a difference if painting, but FYI.

Derpy

@Ryan be happy you aren't taking place in some Warhammer tournament then :P Painting the miniatures with correct colors for that specific battle is often a requirement there :P

Xirema

@Derpy I mean, no, not really. That was just the example that pushed me to make a post about it.

Sir Cinnamon

3:37 PM

@Xirema I call that an optimization ;)

Derpy

@BlackSpike then this one may be usefull

goodguy5

@Xirema?

*to the tens

Black Spike

OK, thanks guys. Now back to figuring out Scrolling in Pop-ups #tangentBunny

JohnP

3:55 PM

6500 views, 11 answers in 2 days on fitness. Yeah, that one hit the HNQ. That's a years worth of activity for most questions.

Sir Cinnamon

calculus, bleh

NautArch

When I was making my monk for 5e, I had a somewhat 'duh' realization. Action economy is a huge deal, and making sure you've got a bonus action that you can use seems really important in building a 'max' optimized character.

goodguy5

yea, I see that now that I've said it

JohnP

@NautArch I'm trying to build a monk. Did you take any rogue/warlock along with it? Or just straight up monk?

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