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12:52 AM

1e PHB: "Charisma is the measure of the character's combined physical attractiveness, persuasiveness, and personal magnetism. A generally non-beautiful character can have a very high charisma due to strong measures of the other two aspects of charisma."
1.5 (UA): establishes Comeliness as separate stat, implicitly drawing appearance away from Cha.
2e PHB: "The Charisma (Cha) score measures a character's persuasiveness, personal magnetism, and ability to lead. It is not a reflection of physical attractiveness, although attractiveness certainly plays a role." So you can see they're trying rea…

hmm... "see full text" doesn't survive quoting, it seems

trogdor

@nitsua60 it isn't always about game rules

Sometimes its a table rule

@nitsua60 and yeah I thought at first that quoting would allow for that too, not sure why it doesn't

BESW

2:18 AM

I choose to believe this is an illustration of Dr Dinosaur dressed up as Agent Phil Coulson.

trogdor

I now opt to choose that option too

Shalvenay

3:08 AM

hey there @Nyoze

Nyoze

\o

Sup?

KorvinStarmast

@thedarkwanderer We need to have a chat about this question. Really.

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast

@Nyoze not a whole lot, as for you?

KorvinStarmast

Hi Shalveney

Hey, when I get those two OoA paladins all ready, what do I do then? Send you an email?

@Shalvenay In protest to the cultural plague that is the 21st century, I took my wife out on a car date like we used to do in the 80's.

Shalvenay

@KorvinStarmast just ping me here

KorvinStarmast

3:18 AM

Had Alice Cooper's rock and roll show on the radio (he's a syndicated DJ now, alice at night) , got a six pack, and took her out on a date to the waterfront to drink beer and listen to our music.

Ok, I'll do that.

We always go on a date for Halloween, to get away from the crapfest that "trick or treat" has become.

It was great. We had Alice Coopers "welcome to my nightmare" and Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" and CCR's "Bad Moon Risin" on full blast in the car stereo.

And much else. Blue Oyster Cult's "Godzilla" and "Don't Feat the Reaper" came on as well.

Shalvenay

@KorvinStarmast hands Korvin a basket of werewolf puppies :D

KorvinStarmast

Thank you, I'll feed them so they grow up to be strong and make Warren proud. :)

Zevon is a favorite artist of mine. "Gorilla You're a Desperado" is still a favorite tune.

His last one liner on national TV: "Enjoy every sandwich."

The only reason I don't travel to New York and club Dave Letterman with a lead filled snow shoe is that he too is a Warren Zevon fan.

And a Frank Zappa fan. RIP, guys, two distinct rebel voices in a world filled with forumla rock.

Uh, formula rock. Man can't spell when he gets all worked up.

Oy, I see that someone left out some troll bait.

pun-pun is valid RAW, thus playable nice, great way to illustrate the death of a once-great game.

And on that happy note, I hope that none of you suffers the fate of Icabod Crane. Happy November all!

the dark wanderer

Hey, what's up dude?

@KorvinStarmast

you said we need to talk about the question about how +1 equates to 5%

(for some reason I didn't get that message until now ^^; )

oh, nvm, it's not that old

@KorvinStarmast the pun-pun thing appears to be a response to the 6-word horror story thing, not a serious claim

Shalvenay

3:42 AM

@KorvinStarmast the only thing you can do with 3.x is embrace the breakage

because you will be driven completely insane if you try to plug all the holes in 3.x RAW -- there are just too many of them!

it's bad enough the GitP folks have collected an entire handbook's worth of dysfunctional rules

cast's Mordenkainen's Dysfunction on @KorvinStarmast

Ben

Well that worked out well...

The Diablo Monsters already have stat blocks

the dark wanderer

@Shalvenay Idk, man, plenty of people have fun playing it not that way.

Nyoze

@Shalvenay Nothing really... Trying to get back in the swing of things O_o

Shalvenay

@thedarkwanderer it is possible to sort of ring-fence the breakage out, but it takes some pretty crazy stuff (like banning a decent chunk of the PHB's classes)

KorvinStarmast

@thedarkwanderer Yeah. The point I want to get across to you, which was in "this is why we can't have nice things" is this: that question is an illustration of why people despise / crap on gamer geeks. (In which population I exist). I have a lot more I'd like to say, but quite frankly, this format isn't the one I can use to converse with you on the topic. Doppel and a few others have their sites on me.

But I am going to ask you to look at that question as though you weren't you, and see if you get what I am talking about

For further discourse, if you are interested, we can trade email addresses tomorrow. No need for a quick answer. I am off to bed.

And I think I made my save versus that particular dysfunction, but not all other dysfunctions. 8^D

Shalvenay

4:00 AM

@Nyoze ah. will that mean we'll see more of you around?

Nyoze

Hopefully :O

Ben

The only problem is, math is still involved. Diablo level 1 is (Y x 100%) more than DnD level 1

Magician

4:18 AM

4

^ I'm weirdly proud of this non-joke.

Ben

"Proud of" implying that this was of your own design?

Magician

Aye

Ben

Well done [polite applause]

Magician

Thank you, that's what I'm living for

Ben

What, polite applause? Well, I'd have to say it's likely one of the least destructive addictive habits...

BESW

4:23 AM

Ben

So, Apart from my current "Diablo" mega-dungeon (or so I'm told), I have one other game I'd like to run: my father had a character from when he played D&D in his youth. I asked him about it, and he basically explained that he played a D&D character.

So I think in that sense I've been given free range to "re-create" the character, and write an adventure to send him off properly (the last time the character was involved in a game, a stand-in player killed him - which doesn't count as an actual character death)

BESW

> Friend to the Animals. Whenever you enter an area, you gain an aspect (with one free invoke) representing a local animal that likes you. It can be a specific creature like Grady's donkey or a category like Stray cats. Make a note of it; you'll have that aspect whenever you're in that area. If the story would cause you to lose that aspect, define a new creature for that area the next time you come back.

Ben

@BESW Margaret - crazy cat lady

BESW

4:43 AM

> Crazy like a cat. You can be compelled to have your cats do inconvenient or dramatic things. It costs two fate points to buy off these compels, but you get two fate points if you accept them.

Dramatic cats...

I like it

That is definitely dramatic cats, can't argue with that.

BESW

4:55 AM

Ben

5:10 AM

@BESW It's a baby hippogriff

BESW

Iguanamouth made a whole series of gryphon alternates.

(Note to self: Umdaar needs ostrich+tiger gryphons.)

Magician

Ostrich legs + tiger head?..

Ben

I feel like the Kiwi/Chipmunk should have been in the new Thor movie :P

BESW

@Magician Much, much worse.

Ben

> Teleport (Recharge 4-6)

What does that mean? "Recharge 4-6"?

(D&D 5e, monster manual "Blink Dog")

BESW

5:23 AM

In D&D 4e, that'd mean that once you've used it, you roll a d6 every round (or just once after you use it? Can't remember) and on a 4 or higher the ability recharges and you can use it again.

Ben

Ahhh. That makes sense

Adeptus

5:45 AM

@nitsua60 I need to catch up with you some time in the next month or two, to pick your brains about GMing Dungeon World for a large-ish group (7-8 players)... You offered a while back, but we haven't synced our chat times recently (and it hasn't been urgent)

trogdor

@BESW once after you use it

BESW

@trogdor Thank you, O Guru of the Fourth Edition.

trogdor

to be fair, the rule for it was written poorly

one of the few that really confused me at the time

Miniman

@trogdor Wait, so if it doesn't recharge on the first try, it's gone forever?

trogdor

preeety sure

that is how I remember it

Miniman

5:53 AM

Interesting. In 5e, it's roll for recharge at the start of your turn.

Ben

Yay for single encounter mechanics

BESW

One of the weirder "and then the dice can own your fate completely at random" elements remaining in 4e.

Most of it's much less... "I dunno, maybe you'll be awesome, maybe not."

Miniman

Yeah, it's a pretty frustrating mechanic in 5e, too. "The dragon uses it's trademark breath weapon. Once. Due to poor rolls, it will never use it again."

trogdor

I mean, 4e already had daily powers

Miniman

That one became a meme in the (dragon-themed) HotDQ and RoT campaign for my group.

trogdor

5:56 AM

and those got jack all chance to be used again

Miniman

Surprisingly, "the dragon might be able to use its breath weapon" is more or less tactically equivalent to " the dragon can use its breath weapon".

BESW

Personally, I preferred "recharge when bloodied" or "recharge after using X other power" or other similar concepts.

Ben

@Miniman Well, if the dragon has you pinned against a wall, it'd make sense that it'd be less likely to fry you with the chance of splashback - even if it is immune to it, no one enjoys getting (insert whatever manner of breath weapon being used) in their eyes.

Miniman

@Ben Alternatively, dragons are like whales - they only breathe once per minute.

Adeptus

6:19 AM

@Miniman I'm now imagining a dragon "singing" underwater...

Ben

@Adeptus [Loud gurgling noises]

Nyoze

Can dragons even swim? I've always thought of them as more related to cats, with an aversion to water :\

trogdor

I mean, that reeeaally depends on what dragons you mean

a lot of dragons in say, China or Japan are literally water dragons

they live in the ocean or in rivers and can even make it rain

Nyoze

6:36 AM

Lets say, the stero-typical Euro-American dragon, circa St George.

Or what you'd think of a typical Dragon in D&D?

BESW

James Bond Dragon swam.

trogdor

lol

you mean Dragonheart?

BESW

Is there another James Bond Dragon?

trogdor

I believe he did in fact swim

@BESW just checking sheesh

Adeptus

@Nyoze Black dragons are amphibious. In 3.5e at least.

BESW

6:38 AM

@Adeptus Also bronze dragons.

Nyoze

Well, there you go.

Now we just have to teach the dragons to sing.

BESW

...copper dragons probably sing really bawdy tavern songs.

trogdor

coppers are the best

Nyoze

Silver Dragons would probably be like those gospel singers who just are always in the background with their ooh and ahhs

Adeptus

Black dragons would sing acid jazz

trogdor

6:45 AM

lol

Nyoze

So, random question.

Has anyone had any experience with Starfinder?

BESW

7:22 AM

I have, on occasion, found stars.

kviiri

7:48 AM

That question seems suspiciously on-topic for a random one!

BESW

8:55 AM

> Lurker. You can spend a fate point to be skulking in the shadows of a scene, even after it's been firmly established you weren't there. This does not allow you to be in two places at once, but it may sometimes give people that impression.

SmokeDetector

9:12 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Where can I find a Pathfinder character sheet that works in Libreoffice? by sakir Skr on rpg.SE

doppelspooker

Using predictive keyboards, we have synthesized new rules for how to be safe on Halloween. http://bit.ly/2xzza7w

Tweeted by botnikstudios on October 30, 2017 at 4:32 PM

Trish

10:14 AM

hmmm, disease o lantern... reminds me: introduce a lot of failed and horribly twisted pumpkins to the next adventure... sad thing is, that they have early summer...

BESW

12:34 PM

@trogdor For your pleasure, a dragonnette.

Brookesia minima is the second smallest lizard, growing to just over 3 centimetres! It is native to Madagascar.

Tweeted by Strange_Animals on September 26, 2017 at 9:45 AM

trogdor

huh

it's so tiny

I wonder what it eats

SECOND SMALLEST lizard

what the hell XD

BESW

Brookesia micra

Brookesia micra is a species of chameleon from the island of Nosy Hara in Antsiranana, Madagascar. As of 14 February 2012, it is the smallest known chameleon and among the smallest reptiles. In length, adult Brookesia micra can grow up to 29 mm (1.1 in). == Taxonomy == Brookesia micra was discovered and named by a team of researchers led by Frank Glaw of the Bavarian State Collection of Zoology. Glaw and his colleagues have been conducting expeditions into the Madagascan forests for eight years. Members of the species had previously been labelled as Brookesia sp. "Nosy Hara" in 2007 by Glaw and...

I'm going to assume it lives on a diet of Whos Down In Whoville.

Seriously though, they eat, like, flies and stuff.

Fruit flies.

trogdor

12:54 PM

hmm

I had been thinking like, ants

but that works

KorvinStarmast

And he dreams of becoming a T-Rex. :)

trogdor

he will, some day

BESW

But for now, he is a wee rex.

(rar.)

nitsua60

1:29 PM

@Adeptus I'm often around =)

KorvinStarmast

2:20 PM

@thedarkwanderer email sent

NautArch

3:15 PM

@BESW it's been...compacted?

KorvinStarmast

For any mod present, is the "two years later" addition to this question better suited as an answer, of fine as an edit in the question? I gave some poor advice on something similar the other day, so I don't want to give bad advice on this either.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast im hoping that was in IC execution and OOC.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch I just think that 'how we solved the problem' should go in an answer, but I am not sure I am right about that.

As to toxic players in on line games .... ugh. arrgh. blech.

NautArch

yeah, I'd likely agree with it in an answer - but seems more like an update (maybe in a comment?) I dunno. I wouldn't want what I actually did to be voted on and feel bad/good about it.

KorvinStarmast

I'd vote it up, since It Solved The Problem, which is sorta what we are all about. :)

NautArch

3:25 PM

yeah, i guess it is :)

doppelspooker

3:47 PM

is anyone here a developer on macs?

KorvinStarmast

@doppelspooker I know a guy at Lamar University, but sadly it's been about six years since I spoke to him ...

doppelspooker

@KorvinStarmast doesn't need that kind of outreach :)

just trying to figure out something relatively minor, or specifically, whether it is not in fact minor but a big deal

KorvinStarmast

OK. Also, can you give me a ruling on this chat q up there?

I want to avoid giving one of our participants bad advice.

doppelspooker

@KorvinStarmast strictly speaking that kind of stuff doesn't go in questions, and it isn't for answers, but honestly i appreciate having that recap

so i'm not gonna take action against it

but man, stuff like that is a lesson in the importance of being willing to remove bad apples from the group

ignoring the problem or hoping it sorts itself out, is tacit endorsement of the problem. it can tear communities apart.

KorvinStarmast

What I was going to suggest was "make that an answer" since It Solved the Problem, But you tell me that "it doesn't answer the question" ... that is what has me confused.

doppelspooker

3:52 PM

i ban people from this site so y'all don't have to put up with them, and if i made you put up with them, you'd leave yourself or work out a way to make them leave. neither of those are good things.

KorvinStarmast

I am not saying this right.

I agree with your point on how they solved the problem. But I am thinking that how they solved it is an answer.

But maybe not?

doppelspooker

@KorvinStarmast well.... it might, i guess. "you should kill their character and make it clear to them you will keep killing all their characters. it made them leave." but what value does that really have as an answer? it'd get downvoted to hell.

KorvinStarmast

While I think that's is a problem with our local hive mind/conventional wisdom, I think you are right and I maybe would be giving bad advice to pose it as how they solved it since that back lash would likely be negative. :(

My idea was "here is how we solved our problem" and then insert that experience. We support experience based answers, don't we?

nothing we have to action right now, no pressing need, just trying out my thoughts before I go and give someone some advice.

Or dont

NautArch

I'm in general agreement with korvin. The update was basically a self-answer and would be helpful for others to read as such. Here's what we did and how it made us feel.

KorvinStarmast

I need to be a bit more careful about the advice I drop into comments, I've been sorta grumpy lately and part of it has to do with how Jacob got treated in meta. :( So I'll revisit in a few hours and see if I have a fresher perspective.

Best wishes to all.

NautArch

3:57 PM

adios, Korvin. I'm bummed about the Jacob thing, too.

Although I don't agree with his assessment on my particular answer.

doppelspooker

4:23 PM

@KorvinStarmast conventional hive mind wisdom would be "talk to the GM and the group and exorcise the bad actor from the group and disinvite them", which is still probably the best solution, only the group and especially GM were unwilling to follow through and so resorted to worse means.

the means they chose are a bad idea for a primary solution, and they could tell, since they described how much they suffered in the process for carrying through with it.

so i could not in sound judgement upvote such a solution.

NautArch

4:41 PM

@doppelspooker I don't think the question was whether or not you would upvote it, but whether it should be an answer and not an update in the question (because it effectively is an answer)

doppelspooker

4:59 PM

@NautArch the thing statement i was responding to there was, however, about whether us downvoting it into oblivion is a problem with the community

(to which i am responding, basically, i don't think so)

i am fine with it staying as an update to the question because them posting it as an answer would see them getting downvoted to hell and probably deleting it anyway to get out from under tons of downvotes

NautArch

@doppelspooker oh, i don't think that was Korvin's main question, though.

yeah, and that was my fear as well.

doppelspooker

@NautArch i had already responded to that, around here:

1 hour ago, by doppelspooker

@KorvinStarmast strictly speaking that kind of stuff doesn't go in questions, and it isn't for answers, but honestly i appreciate having that recap

NautArch

ah, i didn't parse that correctly :)

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