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Shalvenay

12:00 AM

the bends would be a concern as well

BESW

Isn't that for coming out of the pressure?

Shalvenay

true

but yeah, nitrogen effects would be a concern -- but swapping the inert component out fixes that AIUI

and yeah, you wouldn't notice any O2 toxicity for that time and that ppO2 unless you were extra sensitive to it

BESW

There will be nitrogen in the atmosphere, though less than normal.

Let me double-check this.

Shalvenay

your ppN2 is going to be 2.92 bar, which gives the same ppN2 as a 3.8bar air atmosphere -- or a dive to nearly 30m. so you'd indeed get mild nitrogen narcosis

is this the atmosphere of a confined space, a breathing apparatus, or a large open area?

BESW

Large open area.

Effectively we're dropping a human into Carboniferous-era Earth.

Shalvenay

12:08 AM

ah, so yeah...

they'd probably want to be trained scuba divers, of all things -- one of the things divers train for is how to compensate for mild to modest nitrogen narcosis

BESW

Would the elevated O2 give any short-term physical benefits for recovery/endurance?

BESW

12:21 AM

It looks very clear from context that the answer to this question is that it's in the Exalted RPG, but I know nothing about Exalted.

Ruut got it.

(I'm really tempted to downvote for lack of research, as I was able to ID the game in minutes by simply noticing that the image was part of a series, and assuming it'd be explained earlier in the series. And I know nothing of Exalted.)

JohnP

12:53 AM

19 days

Shalvenay

@BESW -- likely some

BESW

Cool.

So I work up a zone aspect about the atmosphere and it can be invoked for bursts of endurance and compelled for fuzzy thinking.

I'm not worried about long-term effects or the problems of exiting the pressure zone, because my PCs are Action Scientists who can solve these things.

Lord_Gareth

1:09 AM

WARNING, STRONG LANGUAGE: i.imgur.com/gc7IJm3.png <-For a nation where slavery has never been legal, Finland sure owned that dude.

Shalvenay

yeah.

Adeptus

BESW

1:25 AM

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Lost it at "Inspector Frost."

...dear Stargate: Universe. You're not a great show, but you're not as dumb as I originally thought. Except.... you just had a brilliant mathematician say he had no idea what the numbers "3-1-4" might signify.

I know it turns out to be a safety deposit box number, but seriously? The expert in numbers and patterns and code-breaking can't think of ANYthing "314" might be a reference to?

Adeptus

1:46 AM

@BESW uh... smart guys can be dumb sometimes? Or, "it's so obvious it's not worth mentioning?" (or, you know, bad writing...)

BESW

He's the kind of guy who'd say "pi" just so nobody else in the room says it first.

Adeptus

I thought it was a pretty good show overall. Very different to previous Stargate shows though, and I think that's the main reason it failed. People had an expectation of what "a Stargate show" should be, and either tuned in looking for that & finding something else, or decided not to tune in because that's not what they were looking for, when maybe they might have liked this one.

BESW

Hmm. That's my biggest problem with SG:A too.

SG-1 was "the absolute best humanity has to offer, standing against cosmic odds and triumphing." SG:A was "the brightest of humanity, but not the best, eking out success against cosmic odds despite themselves." SG:U was "random ordinary folks face (who are sorta kinda jerks really) cosmic odds and mostly don't die."

Each is interesting, but each steps on the toes of the others when they're forced to acknowledge each others' presence in the same franchise.

Bah. Bad edit.

Mourdos

Hey @BESW, the front page of WB just got messed up :P Never have I been more amazed at what two people can do.

BESW

I passed up SG:U the first time around partly because I wasn't interested in watching Jerks In Space, and partly because I thought the "can't control the ship" thing was going to get old before it had a chance to be new.

Mourdos

1:58 AM

That image of the dwarves is amazing

BESW

@Mourdos ?

Mourdos

Decided to actually act on meta consensus at WB.SE and initiate incineration. mostly two users and 80 questions later, a tag was no more.

BESW

Heh.

The front page should bounce back pretty fast.

Mourdos

It is more the fact that they went through and fixed the spelling and grammar in the posts at the same time. it took 15 minutes to do the final 38 questions.

That is some rapid reading.

BESW

Nice.

BESW

2:54 AM

I clicked on this question because of the title grammar, but the answers have me howling. Janeway never violated any Starfleet regs?

Also there is a deleted answer which reads, in its entirety, "Hooooooo looooooooooo. Oooooo gooo gooo gooo goooo."

Shalvenay

wow

also, how many downvotes does it take to kill an answer on rpg.se?

Miniman

@Shalvenay An infinite number

Shalvenay

heheh

BESW

Downvotes don't delete.

Shalvenay

alrighty then

wondering how many downvotes some of the terribad answers to the vampires using touchscreen question will accumulate then ;)

BESW

3:05 AM

Answers that are good except for being wrong shouldn't get deleted by the community or by moderators.

Shalvenay

well, in this case, they're answers, just terribly logically flawed

BESW

Yeah, and downvotes are the sorting mechanism to let them drift down the page into obscurity.

Miniman

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A: A fellow player is uncooperative with the group and gets GM favoritism. How do I handle this?

I hate to sound crass here, OP, but there's a reason that you don't date your fellow players, and you're discovering it. Love tends to make one see something in another that other people don't, just by its very nature. This means that even if you're best friends with someone, they might end up be...

BESW

Ah, yes, our all-time least liked answer ever.

Shalvenay

eheheh.

Miniman

3:06 AM

And my all-time most liked comment ever :)

Shalvenay

OTOH -- going 54 and 0 for a pure simulationist answer is pretty good in my book

BESW

...I wonder what my highest-voted answer is that has no downvotes.

My top three qualify. Yey.

Miniman

Wow, nice! My 3rd best makes it in.

BESW

It's sort of hard to disagree with stuff like "Paladins don't have to be jerks" and "This is where the owlbear came from."

doppelgreener

@BESW well, rather: answers that are genuine answers to the question generally do not get deleted (except by the author), but definitely get heavily downvoted.

because badness or wrongness is not itself a deletion criteria, but inappropriateness in its various forms is

Miniman

3:57 AM

spam flags guys

shatterspike1

Boom, flagged

Adeptus

I was just reading the Q on realistic tombs (and now I want to do an adventure based on the Black Pyramid) and it got me thinking... If you wanted to prevent your corpse being turned undead, but leave it possible to resurrect you, what should your funerary arrangements be? (with D&D magic)

Miniman

@Adeptus Any particular edition?

Adeptus

I don't know... 3.x?

Miniman

4:18 AM

Yikes, that's tough

I'm honestly not sure it's possible to guarantee your non-undeath

Magician

Burn the body, use True Resurrection to come back. Otherwise keep a body part for Resurrection (not enough to zombify). If you're really paranoid, use soul jar to keep your soul from being captured.

Though of course people could get control of your soul that way. Honestly, afterlife in your god's domain is probably safer.

doppelgreener

4:50 AM

I've just found out that for months the colours on my work laptop have been totally messed up, and muted and bluish.

user61230

@Miniman NUKED.

doppelgreener

Boom!

Miniman

I have this image in my head of fallout radiation mutating RPG.SE into a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Magician

5:18 AM

@doppelgreener btw, have you had a chance to look at the ID Odds code?

doppelgreener

5:36 AM

@Magician only recently! i should take a look at it this week...

Magician

Cool. I could really use one more person volunteering a brief essay on IDs, but eh.

doppelgreener

I'm not really sure what to write about them. :O

What sort of topics have been written already?

Magician

Here are the two tiny things Brian and me have written.

Independently but kiiind of about the same thing.

doppelgreener

5:53 AM

I like these.

And I'm suddenly reminded of the Major questioning the existence of her own brain and her humanity.

Magician

Hmmm?

Pixie

The Major (Motoko) from Ghost in the Shell, I'm guessing.

doppelgreener

Oh! Yes. Of course. It would be useful to specify which Major. There are other Majors in the world who are not her. I forgot about this.

@Pixie It's her, yes.

Pixie

6:11 AM

@doppelgreener It's easy to forget when she's so much cooler. :P

doppelgreener

@Pixie I'm not sure which other Majors you might be comparing her to, unless that is a broad sweeping gesture with regards to all the Majors, in which case I guess I'd agree. :D

Pixie

@doppelgreener A sweeping gesture. Other hypothetical Majors are welcome to try their hand, but they have some stiff competition.

doppelgreener

@Pixie I could totally also imagine Motoko jumping out at them from the shadows, taking them out, then absconding sneakily.

Pixie

@doppelgreener Then there will not be other Majors in the world who are not her. There can be only one.

doppelgreener

6:39 AM

@Pixie personally i am okay with there being more than one

but she is totally going to remove all competition for coolest position

note to self: organise/orchestrate/inflame an Ultimate Showdown between all potential coolest Majors.

Adeptus

Major (disambiguation)

Major is a military rank. The word derives from Latin maior (also spelled major) which means greater. Major or majors may also refer to: == Music == Major (music), class of chord, interval, key, or scale Major scale Major chord The names of various intervals, such as a Major third or Major sixth Major, a method of Change ringing for eight church bells Major record label The Majors (band), an American R&B group Majors (band), a Danish hip-hop group Major (band), a British band == People == === Surname === Bobby Majors (born 1949), American football player Clarence Major (born 1936), A...

doppelgreener

@Adeptus oh hey i forgot about the one from hellsing.

doppelgreener

7:34 AM

If anyone happens to know an accessibility expert...

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Q: Do colour differences which also carry major brightness differences also fail WCAG 2.0 SC 1.4.1: Use of Color?

I've run into a conundrum with WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria 1.4.1: Use of Color whilst assessing an internal project for WCAG Level AA compliance. Among my assessment, I'm assessing controls that provide an indicator based on colour that heavily contrasts with the surrounding elements in terms of b...

BESW

8:39 AM

@doppelgreener There's always Major Major Major, pilot of the Major.

I know we've had a conversation about this, but I'm having trouble tracking it down.

BESW

9:55 AM

Some typos are just too good:

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Q: How batman can fly instead of sky dying with his suit?

Actually wing suit are used to landing purpose. see this picture of Gary Connery, he used this suit for skydive. How batman can fly instead of sky dying with his suit?

batman

Aaron

12:21 PM

Good morning

Mourdos

Morning

BESW

Yawp.

Mourdos

So, I have a problem to solve as a player in a game, and I'm getting a little irritated about being in the land of "no real rules"

There is an elder fire elemental in a building, let us assume that this building has many floors and he isn't next to an exit and there is at least one story above him.

Let us further posture that this city is flooded, and the fire elemental has been trapped there, since it is using all its "strength" to prevent itself from being.. something. (this is because the rules say fire elementals can't move through water).

Given a party of level 2 and 3s and very limited prep time, how do we get it out?

Miniman

Destroy Water?

Mourdos

note that the water around it starts doing damage to you when you fail a fort save, as it is very hot

BESW

12:33 PM

Is it cooperative?

Mourdos

Yes

BESW

Planks?

Cast fly on it?

Mourdos

level 2 and 3

sorry, Pathfinder

mostly 1st level spells

BESW

Cast jump on it. The elemental will have something like +27 to Acrobatics for long and tall jumps (+10 jump, +9 Dex, +8 racial bonus from speed). It can leap from building to building across the city.

Mourdos

Trying to get it out of a flooded building

when we can't move it easily, because the water restricts its movement

Aaron

12:42 PM

cmm.cornell.edu/news/machines-through-bloodstream.html

BESW

> A fire elemental cannot enter water or any other nonflammable liquid. A body of water is an impassible barrier unless the fire elemental can step or jump over it or the water is covered with a flammable material (such as a layer of oil).

Lay down oil as necessary to get it to the roof, and cast jump on it.

Aaron

isn't grease a 1st level spell?

Miniman

It's not flammable, though.

Aaron

True.

I forget that sometimes

Mourdos

Sorry, I thought this was clearer, the elemental is currently underwater, surrounded by it

BESW

12:45 PM

Yeeah, that was not clear.

Aaron

@Mourdos what class?

Mourdos

we have a mixture of lots of things, all spontanious casters, so spell selection is limited

Miniman

Yikes

Mourdos

we have access to potions on the fly, provided we don't need to many

this is the party of alternate characters, the main characters started a war with ogres led by a demon, the B team decided to help out by freeing a fire elemental if it agreed to go burn some ogres

( since they can't take part in the war reasonably )

Aaron

how big is the elemental?

Mourdos

12:51 PM

Elder, so huge, I believe

weighs 8 lb

Aaron

The water above it. How much is there?

How deep

Mourdos

a couple of stories?

Aaron

Hmm.

Mourdos

( and a couple of floors/ceilings)

Aaron

Hmmm.

only first level sorcerer spells.

The only thing I see spell wise that might help is d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/expeditious-excavation but it only lets you move 5sqft of dirt at a time.

Mourdos

12:53 PM

I'm a first level sorcerer, my only known spell is snapdragon fireworks :P

Miniman

Yeah, I got nothing

Mourdos

We came up with one solution

astral caravan

I have the feeling the DM considers it too easy

( we have a oracle of solar who took that)

Miniman

So many spells that could work if you were in 3.5 instead of PF (and a slightly higher level)

Aaron

@Mourdos Might be the only option unless you are into manual labor

JohnP

3:48 PM

@Mourdos Elder elementals weigh 12 lbs. A Huge weighs 8 lbs.

Mourdos

4:06 PM

Nooo, the extra 4 lb shall doom me!

I missed that :-)

JohnP

4:42 PM

@Mourdos It's a bit off the wall, but if you have access to potions on the fly, I wonder what would happen if you gave a fire elemental a potion of water walk? :p

d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/water-walk

Note the following: If the spell is cast underwater (or while the subjects are partially or wholly submerged in whatever liquid they are in), the subjects are borne toward the surface at 60 feet per round until they can stand on it.

Pixie

6:13 PM

@Mourdos You could use Endure Elements for the heat of the water if your people need to touch it at some point, assuming it's not over 140F/60C. Too bad you're not at spell level 2, Alter Self would be an easy solution...

Pureferret

Yo ho

Underwater fire elements...quite the hot topic

Aaron

XD

@Pureferret Yea. It is an interesting issue he brought forward.

Pureferret

6:42 PM

@Aaron It is

Maybe it should use the Fire Exit?

Aaron

lol

See pic above but with more laughs.

Pureferret

Another question is: How do I get Geas for my Warlock/Paladin?

It sounds like the only way to redeem people

Aaron

paladins only go up to level 4 spells right?

Pureferret

7:00 PM

@Aaron They can get up to fifth, but Geas isn't one of them

Pureferret

7:13 PM

Its for this:

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Q: How can I redeem the unjust?

I'm playing a LN paladin (vengeance)/warlock (Great Old One/Tome) soon, and I want to redeem enemies I deem worthy of my mercy. With create thrall I expect to be in complete control of an enemy at the end of combat. Is there anything in 5E that would allow me to change someone/thing's alignment...

dnd-5e spells alignment

Joshua Aslan Smith

7:33 PM

@Pureferret Ive VTCd it

nothing personal but I think a lot of alignment questions like that just get far too subjective

Pureferret

@JoshuaAslanSmith Why?

Is there anything in 5E that would allow me to change someone/thing's alignment?

Joshua Aslan Smith

5e is not anti-alignment as per 4e, but its also very iffy and vague and doesnt really come into play at all

thus 5e alignment questions are just a lot more subjective than a 3.5 alignment question for example (not a fan of that system at all, but it has lots of widgets hanging off the alignment system)

Pureferret

@JoshuaAslanSmith well thanks for letting me know :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah I mean the community may not agree, but I thought Id explain it here, vs. starting a comment chain to infinity (and beyond)

SevenSidedDie

8:11 PM

@Pureferret My reaction to that question was that there's no way to forcibly redeem someone. But forcing someone to become good defeats the purpose anyway, so naturally the way to do it is to non-forcibly redeem them via social influence, freindship, and all that sparkly magic.

Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie Hmmm

Pureferret

8:23 PM

@SevenSidedDie Isn't Friendship a spell?

BESW

@Pureferret We know it's definitely magic.

SevenSidedDie

@Pureferret I don't mean the spell, but I suppose that would be a quick way to get someone initially on your side so that you can begin leading them toward redemption. :)

Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie Wait the friends spell says they know you dupped them at the end of the spell

BESW

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Pureferret

@BESW Cool

SevenSidedDie

8:39 PM

@Pureferret "You tricked me!" Suddenly, a knife was in his hand. The paladin ignored it, vulnerable. "Yes, I tricked you. But the friendship that we built during that time is a true one, is it not? The lie lead you to the truth." The old paladin held out his hand to the man with the untrusting eyes, gambling on the spark of humanity that he hoped was still there. "Are you ready to follow me further?"

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Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie I definitely remember it not being that easy in earlier editions, but I get the impression that things are a great deal more flexible in this edition

SevenSidedDie

@Pureferret It's left up to the GM and group in this edition. Far as I can tell, there's no way to force redemption. That leaves doing it the hard way.

MadMAxJr

9:07 PM

Huh. Does 5E still have detect evil?

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr It has sense good and evil

but only picks up supernaturally good/evil beings

like celestials and demons

MadMAxJr

Ah, creatures who have it as a defined type, not necessarily by alignment?

Interesting.

So sense evil picks up on devils and demons, but not necessarily the party rogue who has manic thoughts.

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr Thats how I remember it

let me check

MadMAxJr

That would seriously change my Pathfinder party and their standard operating procedure of "Paladin! Have a quick look around for EVIL."

Still useful, just only finds things actually /made/ of evil.

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr aberration, celestial, elemental, fey, fiend, or undead

And it is 'Detect' not Sense

MadMAxJr

9:15 PM

Neat! Something to add to the column of reasons why I might enjoy running 5E.

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr ✔

MadMAxJr

"No no Mr.Paladin, he's just morally and ethically ambiguous, he is not a demon."

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Paladin glare increases. "I will be watching you."

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr Or conversely the rogue does ping to being a demon...and can't hide behind being 'morally ambiguous'

MadMAxJr

Paladin glaring /increases/.

Yes. You get a gold star sticker for today.

Pureferret

That's actually quite disturbing

MadMAxJr

9:27 PM

That's continuously using detect evil, hoping for a different result. :D

Pureferret

@MadMAxJr Lol sounds like it

MadMAxJr

And time to go. Thanks for the input.

Miniman

9:58 PM

@Pureferret Incidentally, Geas is on the Paladin list.

Pureferret

@Miniman ....

Perhaps the issue I was thinking of was that I wanted to get to level 14 of warlockyness

Miniman

Yeah, can't help you with that one.

Pureferret

@Miniman True

Create Thrall is just too awesome not to go for it

Pureferret

10:25 PM

Does anyone know which abilities are triggered on advantage (like Sneak Attack)

Miniman

10:37 PM

Create Thrall is probably a lot crappier than you realize. They're charmed by you, but it doesn't say anything about them taking orders from you.

Off the top of my head i can't think of anything else that requires advantage to use.

Pureferret

@Miniman Hmmm

Miniman

It's a bit weird, actually

I can't tell if it's meant to do anything other than the actual charmed condition

Pureferret

@Miniman I meant to look that up

@Miniman 1) Can't attack you (but can attack your allies) b) You have advantage on social checks

Miniman

@Pureferret Yeah, it's not bad, but it's hardly a "thrall"

Pureferret

@Miniman Yeah it's not like Dominate Person or something

It's at will (one creature) Friends

JohnP

10:53 PM

19 days. 1429 points.

Pureferret

@JohnP Are you winning yet?

JohnP

@Pureferret Charm, not friends. And it can only be removed by a remove curse spell.

At will, no save, and can be used remotely once in place.

Pureferret

@JohnP True

Simon

11:07 PM

From libris mortis p. 80 Ghostly Arm: This gray, incorporeal arm can’t be used to manipulate solid objects. However, the grafted creature can use the ghostly arm to deliver an incorporeal touch attack that deals 1d6 points of damage, the equivalent of a ghost’s corrupting touch attack. Treat the arm as a secondary weapon, but because it is incorporeal the arm has no Strength score and therefore gains no bonus or penalty on damage rolls from the user’s Strength. Graft Flesh, ethereal jaunt; Price 6,000 gp.

Wrong forum?

Miniman

It won't provoke, you can't use it with 2 weapon fighting, I'm not sure what you mean by question 3, and it will work with weapon finesse

For question 3, do you mean can you use it to deliver other touch attacks?

Simon

So if i get these, it wont increase the attacks i get?

use the ghostly arm to deliver an incorporeal touch attack is that = melee touch attack?

Miniman

If you get 2 you could use two weapon fighting, but then you'd have no hands capable of interacting with physical objects

@Simon Yep

Simon

It replaces hands?

Miniman

I don't know, I guess I just assumed

(I'm not an expert on 3.5)

Simon

11:12 PM

Also it says that it works as a secondary weapon, what does that mean?

Miniman

Oh right, ignore everything I've said

It's a natural weapon

Simon

Ohhhhhhhhh fancy

That dosent provoke does it?

Shalvenay

it doesn't

natural weapons don't provoke as a rule

Simon

So effectively i got 2 natural weapons that can attack, with touch attacks. OTHER then my 2 normal weapons :O

Well rogue is gonna be awesome from now on

Shalvenay

sidenote: what happens if you try to put 2 instances of (Lesser) Geas on the same person?

SevenSidedDie

11:21 PM

@Shalvenay antimatter containment breach

BESW

Bah. Silly Internet. [tablets]

Shalvenay

@SevenSidedDie -- as in "D&D does not define what will happen if you try this, so the DM just has to make something uP?"

or is it closer to the C standard's concept of undefined behavior (aka nasal demons)?

BESW

I get nasal shoggoths when I have a really bad cold.

[teaches tablet about shoggoths]

(Probably half the words I've added to this tablet's autocorrect are Lovecraftian.)

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Pureferret

Could I somehow get find steed and wish on the same character?

I could then cast wish, which has a target of me, and have it automatically effect my steed

BESW

Can you wish for find steed?

Pureferret

11:37 PM

@BESW Mmm....DM decision

find steed is only lvl 2 so should be accessible for minimal Mc investment?

Adeptus

11:58 PM

@Simon That was my question on your question. I don't have the book, so can't check. Read through all the info about grafts in general (and this one in particular) - it should tell you whether or not it replaces an existing arm.

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