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Journeyman Geek

12:27 AM

@Bob I was meaning to automate mine :D

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Journeyman Geek

1:32 AM

@Bob that did get buried in the random SE chat/SU errors

which seem bogus?

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bertieb

12:18 PM

@Criggie I missed this as I went over to matrix- yeah I had/have some kinda backups (always a victory, especially in this room)

I wasn't sure which postgres version they were from, and the homeserver management dealie (a big ansible thingy) didn't like the format

and the homeserver which made the backups wasn't online for me to check which version it used

thankfully yeah I was able to force using the postgres 16 image (the ansible thing uses docker to manage the various components) and the backup data loaded with no dealbreaking complaints there :)

really, the pain point(s) were in undoing some of the automation of the management

it all worked out in the end anyway :)

Journeyman Geek

which reminds me to download some recent backups :D

bertieb

I mean having automated backups via the borgmatic wrapper around borg was actually incredibly useful in this case

oh and borgmatic also handles pruning by default, so none of my "I have 9001 backups hourly going back to the unix epoch" xD

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Journeyman Geek

1:28 PM

oh, everything I run is an incus container

I was going to script automagical backups but for now its a script that runs incus backup, and downloading it :D

bertieb

there's always a tradeoff between brain time/space and device time/space

so if that approach gives you good results, fair enough

@JourneymanGeek ← this comment suggests not tho :P

Journeyman Geek

oh, its not fully automated

its semi automated, which is semi useless :D

bertieb

"remembering to run backups" is one of those things that I've come to regard as highly fragile

Journeyman Geek

I seem to be semi productive now so I might end up doing it. But that also means a pile of projects :D

bertieb

well, practically speaking for how we use matrix HS backups are a "nice-to-have"

insofar as you could stand up a new server now and get chatting

Journeyman Geek

1:34 PM

I've done that once :D

bertieb

but you'd lose history and media files

so I get that time and attention could be used more productively elsewhere

I mean, as I said- I thought I didn't have backups because I thought they were manual

Journeyman Geek

yup

bertieb

(and that assumption was reinforced by... well, for some reason ripgrep didn't grep the subdirs the way I expected)

Journeyman Geek

also in the context of the current thing, checking the backup systems for migration feels handy

bertieb

migrating containers you mean?

Journeyman Geek

1:35 PM

even if I'm rebuilding a bunch of stuff

bertieb

as opposed to migrating HS to a different host

tho in your case same difference I guess

Journeyman Geek

Well, practically that's what I'm doing now?

bertieb

yeah true

Journeyman Geek

a migration is just a planned disaster recovery :D

bertieb

heh, yeah kinda

different conceptual level I guess- "move some/all inclus containers from hostA to hostB" has a different feel to "move matrix services"

but then actually I have no idea what matrix services you run

I mean- I only have a vague recollection of which services I run

synapse obviously

but also element (not really needed)

Journeyman Geek

1:38 PM

oh broadly

Not just matrix

bertieb

dimension I think?

Journeyman Geek

I mean, the nginix reverse proxy (critical) blog (rebuilt in ghost) the uptime checking tools...

bertieb

yeah that's what I'm getting at

if you can just shuffle containers between hosts and things Just Work™, so much the better

I'd have rather not faffed around with database versions

Journeyman Geek

that's the rough idea

bertieb

but it's never as simple as it could be

at least insofar as endpoint termination / reverse-proxying

(traefik kinda helps with that, but only in a docker context)

anyway

Journeyman Geek

1:42 PM

ah, my endpoint is nginix acting as a reverse proxy

Its the 'one' thing that needs somewhat more involved setup

bertieb

we're using 'endpoint' slightly differently here :D

my money's on me using it non-standardly

but I get what you mean

Journeyman Geek

I do think nginx is acting the same way you use trafik, just manually

bertieb

yeah

and to be fair I also have nginx reverse-proxy in the mix now

Journeyman Geek

one container managing certs and distributing traffic to each container based off request hostname

bertieb

yes

that

I need to write that up at some point

but... bigger fish

Journeyman Geek

1:44 PM

I document as I work

turning that into something someone else can use is tricky

bertieb

I do that for some things

but it's tricky getting the balance right

and not over/under doing it

or getting too slowed down by it

Journeyman Geek

Oh, part of the problem is its simple/robust enough that I get years of uptime, and forget how it works :D

bertieb

yup

I need to find something more seamless

Journeyman Geek

and for extra fun

some stuff went obsolete

the method for running a nested docker in incus container's different from what I last did

bertieb

notionally, tangled org files are a reasonably literate approach

but getting brain oriented to that is a little training work

Journeyman Geek

1:47 PM

ah, I'm using gog - issues for to do, git text files for docs and setup

your fault :D

I'm not actually using git yet tho

bertieb

(thankfully docker-in-unprivileged-LXC-on-proxmox hasn't changed)

gog?

what am I responsible for here? :D

Journeyman Geek

oh that's my replacement for massive text tabs

bertieb

I thought you were using uhhhhh that other thing

Journeyman Geek

sublime text?

bertieb

that's it

Journeyman Geek

1:50 PM

ya, I switched

bertieb

help a brother out- I am having difficulty googling gog

in a text editing context

Journeyman Geek

gogs.io

bertieb

it's a git frontend

yes I have vaguely heard of gogs

tho I use gitea

Journeyman Geek

yup

bertieb

well

"use" is a strong term

but I have an instance kicking around

one that I had to clear spam out of, thanks "signups enabled by default"

Journeyman Geek

1:53 PM

oh this is very local

and sorta portable

bertieb

fair dos

Journeyman Geek

also pwgen is nice :D

(tool that generates passwords... good for those throwaway db passwords)

bertieb

...throwaway?

Journeyman Geek

2:43 PM

oh, use once and forget?

If you really need it again, you get it from a conf file, or replace it, and its unique to the application using it?

bertieb

2:53 PM

> unique to the application using it

this really should be the default lol

Journeyman Geek

3:07 PM

yup

makes it easier

I used to use fourmilab's rng but that sorta isn't as convincient as being able to do it 'locally

bertieb

4:08 PM

not sure what I use

probably whatever gets autogenerated, or my password manager

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XKCD

8:23 PM

"One popular strategy is to enter an emotional spiral. Could that be the right approach? We contacted several researchers who are experts in emotional spirals to ask them, but none of them were in a state to speak with us."

bertieb

8:57 PM

Can't imagine to what this comic refers

Criggie

XKCD so its variable in relevancy

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bertieb

10:17 PM

true, but there's a definite periodicity at play here

I'd estimate, oh, around about precisely 4 years

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