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Aibobot

....

rahuldottech

4:21 AM

Let's see if I can bypass it with an alternate DNS server

Aibobot

That seems like a bad reason to filter

Journeyman Geek

@Aibobot Language!

rahuldottech

lmao

Yeah, no. I'm already using 1.1.1.1

Journeyman Geek

(in before anyone else does it)

rahuldottech

Ugh. Shitty blocking.

I've been meaning to set up a VPN on an old laptop I have lying around, but haven't gotten to it yet

Hm, it appears that matrix.org isn't blocked, but I can't be bothered creating a new account...

Ooh, I learned something new: reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/d3xzen/…

cc @bwDraco

Curiously enough, none of my (lesser-/un)used domains are blocked

But that's probably to be expefcted from an arbitrary blocking system

Journeyman Geek

4:42 AM

Could be the tld

rahuldottech

4:53 AM

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20962950

Yikes. Take care, @US folks (@bwDraco @MichaelFrank?)

@JourneymanGeek nup, cc.cc loads for me

Aibobot

5:07 AM

@MichaelFrank's a kiwi ;p

rahuldottech

OH YEAH

I completely forgot, my bad

Aibobot

Also draco's on a break

Might be a good idea not to ping him until he sorts things out

rahuldottech

yeah ok

Aibobot

Dosen't mean we need to make it harder for him

rahuldottech

5:30 AM

Yeah, my bad. Delete the ping message?

Also, @jou what's with the switching accounts today?

Aibobot

@rahuldottech I'm at work

but there's some stuff I can't access from my work PC

rahuldottech

5:47 AM

Ahh

Journeyman Geek

acually

I'm experimenting with remoting into my home PC as an alernative ;p

rahuldottech

6:18 AM

@JourneymanGeek Do you wanna discuss that tweet of Jeff's?

Aibobot

@rahuldottech lol.

That one on why tech needs unions?

rahuldottech

Yeah

Aibobot

Since it will not be a sweary conversation - sure

rahuldottech

Oh, he posted an update? twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1172349293216186368

Aibobot

yup

rahuldottech

6:19 AM

Whoa. He seriously thought unions exist only to maximize salaries?

Whoa. Something something first world privilege

Aibobot

snort

That's kinda the obvious, first layer of the problem yeah

They can also serve a useful role in protecting folks trying to do things in terms of their concience

rahuldottech

twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1172280266272006151

oooooooooooh boy

Aibobot

that's more than twice what I make

rahuldottech

@Aibobot wait, explain?

Aibobot

ooh

rahuldottech

6:23 AM

Wow. I liked (still like?) Jeff, but man he comes off as really... dumb in that thread

Aibobot

2018 Google walkouts

On November 1, 2018, more than 20,000 Google employees engaged in a worldwide walkout to protest the way in which the company handled cases of sexual harassment, and other grievances. The protest came one week after a New York Times report that named Andy Rubin and other executives who had been accused of sexual misconduct. The core organizers were Claire Stapleton, Tanuja Gupta, Meredith Whittaker, Celie O'Neil-Hart, Stephanie Parker, Erica Anderson, and Amr Gaber. The walkout was organized in less than three days and lasted for a half hour. Striking workers used a flyer that read:Hi. I’m not...

@rahuldottech - they shuffled off some of the folks involved in that

@rahuldottech Tech is often built on the back of invisible folks

Jeff's kind of a rockstar - and both SE and discourse seem awesome small close knit teams

For every one of those, there's probably lots of places that are... less nice, less 'human' and occationally exploitative

rahuldottech

I mean, I don't even really understand unions, but even I get that they assure rights aren't being violated, promote ethical and healthy workplaces, prevent and fight against discrimination, fight wrongful dismissal, etc.

Aibobot

Well, not even occationally...

rahuldottech

@Aibobot yeah, I get it.

Aibobot

@rahuldottech those are critical roles

Also, its slightly horrifying to see your tweets liked by people you don't know ;p

But here's an interesting thing

He just got nerdsniped....

And if there's one thing about techie types... they tend to fall into rabbit holes easily ;)

rahuldottech

6:29 AM

True

Aibobot

Actually a great counter example of the "rich techie" meme's in outsourcing

Unless you wanted to gatekeep tech into just devs - something I have always been very vocal against.

rahuldottech

Yeah!

tech consists of so much more than just devs

rahuldottech

10:00 AM

Whoa

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :   157.795 MB/s
  Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :   159.658 MB/s
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :     0.857 MB/s [    209.2 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :     1.010 MB/s [    246.6 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :     0.900 MB/s [    219.7 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :     0.703 MB/s [    171.6 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :     0.403 MB/s [     98.4 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :     0.502 MB/s [    122.6 IOPS]

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :   157.448 MB/s
  Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :   159.003 MB/s
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :     0.882 MB/s [    215.3 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :     0.996 MB/s [    243.2 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :     0.895 MB/s [    218.5 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :     0.681 MB/s [    166.3 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :     0.404 MB/s [     98.6 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :     0.679 MB/s [    165.8 IOPS]

These are two very different drives

But the results are almost the same?

So I'm guessing either the USB hub or the SATA->USB is causing a bottleneck.

Ok, not the hub

If it's the SATA->USB, there's not much I can do, since I'll be using these drives with a laptop which doesn't have any spare SATA ports

ok shit

I'm so dumb

oh god

ignore all of this please. nuke it if you want. shit I'm dumb.

Bob

10:33 AM

@rahuldottech what adapter are you using?

@rahuldottech ... ?

rahuldottech

@Bob I... uh...

I...

Bob

don't xkcd 979 me!

rahuldottech

I was testing the wrong drive in CDM. I didn't realize. Got confused between drive letters.

Bob

...that would do it

rahuldottech

yeah lol

Bob

10:34 AM

if it makes you feel any better I spent a day running speedtests from a new server before realising the 4.5Mbit/s upload was due to ... a speedtest-cli bug

rahuldottech

I wouldn't blame you for that

Okay, so. Question: I have these two HDDs that I plan on leaving plugged in to this laptop... permanently. I'm thinking I'll just leave them both on a laptop cooler and plug 'em in via the SATA->USB

Should I be worried about vibrations (from the fan or the other drive) messing with their operation?

karel

dupe

bertieb

10:53 AM

@rahuldottech I wouldn't have thought minute vibrations would make too much of a difference, but then again shouting at drives can degrade performance... You could test RW with fan on and off?

rahuldottech

6 hours ago, by rahuldottech

Ooh, I learned something new: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/d3xzen/what_is_the_purpose_of_the_metal_plating_on_wd/f062744/

@bertieb ^

bertieb

Yes?

Both vibration related, but I don't see the connection

Even more unrelatedly, why the heck did I suddenly get 12 video views on Tuesday at 3AM?

when my average is 0-2 per hour

PewDiePie I aint

(thank gods)

rahuldottech

@bertieb What I gathered from that is that drives are a lot more sensitive to vibrations than I thought?

uh

Lemme just do some quick research

40

Q: How vibration sensitive are hard disk drives?

I've gotten my hands on a seriously cheap laptop grade 2.5 inch drive. I'm intending to use one on a desktop that doesn't have 2.5 inch bays as a boot drive. While I know there are adapters available, I know its fairly common with SSDs to simply velcro/tape the drive somewhere. I'm wondering if I...

hard-drive

Look, it's @JourneymanGeek!

bertieb

Less vibrations are better

But I've never used a cooling mat dealie so can't say how vibratey one would be

I don't think I'd use a cooling mat just for a HDD anyway

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech a lot less of an effect than one would expect from external sources

rahuldottech

11:02 AM

hm yeah I see now

djsmiley2k

11:13 AM

HDDs in a metal enclosure? If you're worried mount them with some rubber washers in the way.

But most drive are fine until you drop them while running. The 'stop' from being dropped ~3ft onto hard surface is like 30G.

If they aren't running it's like 150g to cause damage

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k I'm not using any enclosures

rahuldottech

12:09 PM

@bertieb something something cold country

bertieb

1:08 PM

@rahuldottech Ambient temps shouldn't make that much of a difference to HDDs

Unless you're leaving them out in direct sunlight in the middle of the day

Boris_yo

Must motherboard form factor i.e. micro ATX match computer case's form factor i.e. micro ATX?

Boris_yo

1:25 PM

Or having bigger computer case than motherboard form factor is optional for optimized airflow?

rahuldottech

1:36 PM

@bertieb Not in direct sunlight, but the room really does heat up

bertieb

@rahuldottech I don't think ambient temps would be warm enough to disrupt normal passive cooling

using some vague estimates off the top of my head

how hot do the drives get?

I mean, do you think being in a warm room would be warmer than they'd get in the typical dusty, poor airflow case?

I'm not sure either way

Also, for the sake of completeness, hard drives are not something you want to aggressively cool / run freezing cold anyway (unlike say a CPU)

though I'm sure that's not what you're trying to achieve here, I just mention it for completeness

That being said, if you've run the drives fanless, found they get too warm and shut down and that introducing the fan solved the issue, I'll gladly shut up :D

rahuldottech

@bertieb I'll measure during the day tomorrow and let you know?

bertieb

Sure

Though not critical from my POV

if you want to fan 'em, fan 'em!

I don't think the effects from the airflow or vibration are going to amount to much either way

but that's a non-empirical view

rahuldottech

@bertieb I'm pretty sure I've talked about the disk temps here before. IIRC, with the fans, I can get idle HDD temps to the 30s

(Celsius, ofc)

But we'll see tomorrow

bertieb

Fair enough

Burgi

1:49 PM

The Legendary Toilets of Singapore and the Flushing Law

►

@JourneymanGeek

rahuldottech

2:28 PM

Microsoft confirms Windows 10 KB4515384 breaks audio

TEST. YOUR. CRAP.

Journeyman Geek

No U

fighting_falcon93

3:47 PM

May I ask if anyone with Visual Studio 2019 have problems with the Graphics Analyzer? As soon as I capture a frame and try to open it, Visual Studio starts to load for a very long time, just to tell me after a minute or two that "Cannot open a frame while VSGA is still shutting down". I've tried to restart Visual Studio, I've tried to restart my computer, nothing works. It worked without any problems like a week ago :(

Bob

@fighting_falcon93 You might have more luck in one of the chat.stackoverflow rooms; not many VS users in here.

fighting_falcon93

Ok, will try there, thank you :)

djsmiley2k

4:20 PM

@rahuldottech DON'T. RUN. CRAP.

djsmiley2k

4:41 PM

@bertieb my drives in my desktop run at 33-35c

djsmiley2k

6:54 PM