Root Access

Burgi

12:01 AM

i haven't seen @ThatBrazilianGuy in a while....

RegularGDPR

W..was he Dr. Bumbum? :-o

His girlfriend was arrested due to guilt by association, will we all be arrested too? For his bummy endeavours? o_0

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Yeah I died a while ago.

Burgi

i rest my case

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi On a bench or on a table?

Burgi

he's taking a year off dead for tax purposes

That Brazilian Guy

12:08 AM

54 mins ago, by Burgi

i'm too drunk to talk tax codes

You seem to be obsessed with taxes. Is that a sign of... guilt? What have you done, @Burgi?

Burgi

got drunk

That Brazilian Guy

And then committed tax fraud? Blame it on the booze?

bwDraco

12:51 AM

wat digitaltrends.com/home/child-stuck-in-washing-machine

Burgi

1:12 AM

this happens a lot

RegularGDPR

!!caaaaaaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

Burgi

its why the doors and drums of washing machines are restricted in size (to prevent children from becoming trapped)

RegularGDPR

Seriously?

I've always wondered why there's that retarded lock

But why would even a drunk person put their taxes in the washing machine?

Burgi

money laundering

Michael Frank

1:43 AM

Great... Now I have to secure the door of my front loader when I get home. :|

Burgi

1:54 AM

@MichaelFrank i think modern ones have anti-child protections built in

atleast in europe

Michael Frank

I was actually considering just having it turned off at the wall all the time.

Nick

2:50 AM

dang

Andy K

7:25 AM

morning

ChatBot John Cavil

@bertieb And then committed tax fraud? Blame it on the boogie!? (source)

@bertieb And then committed tax fraud? Blame it on the boogie\! (source)

@bertieb And then committed tax fraud? Blame it on the boogie! (source)

Burgi

7:59 AM

morning

djsmiley2k

Moaning

@MichaelFrank My son has climbed into the drier before

Burgi

are they not childproof?

djsmiley2k

8:19 AM

@bwDraco ok gotta say, that fan does look good

Burgi

8:43 AM

anyone noticed that sourcetree is adding an extra / to the pull request URLs?

rahuldottech

10:44 AM

@DavidPostill how?

DavidPostill

14 hours ago, by DavidPostill

@MichaelFrank No. Upvotes that don't count because I've rep capped :)

I'm well on target to repcap 4 days running ... :)

Burgi

you are on course for 100k

DavidPostill

11:18 AM

@Burgi :)

And about to go up a place in the all time rankings :)

djsmiley2k

:O ALL TIME \o/

I wanna knwo where I stand in them

DavidPostill

djsmiley2k

12:01 PM

I wish the bot said when the regulars ranked up/down ;)

'@Bertieb reached a new high rank of #8'

Journeyman Geek

lol

but half the fun is checking up on the leagues

djsmiley2k

I don't even know where to look lol

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Unlikely, but I appreciate the optimism in your highly-theoretical example :P

Has anyone ever had a monitor repaired? The kinda-dodgy one I have is getting more dodgy

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb I've ... done it before.

Almost not worth the effort though

dodgy how?

bertieb

I've done cap replacements on a HannsG before, but that was a widely known issue (widely known enough to have replacement capacitor kits sold, at any rate)

Well, there's the "not turning back on if it's been off for a short while"

Dec 13 '17 at 10:25, by bertieb

@MyDaftQuestions Probably a different cause, but I have a dodgy monitor that won't turn back on right away if it is turned off. If it's been off for 20 minutes (say) it'll turn on grand, but even a reboot is enough to make it refuse to turn on. It eventually comes to life after a short while.

Journeyman Geek

12:10 PM

If you can check up what panel it is, you could probably swap out the entire controller - njutouch sells em, they're a bit "generic" and you might need some jerryrigging

bertieb

But now it's not displaying output even though the backlight is on

Or it will display for a brief while- say, after a reboot

(the status messages like "no input detected" show fine)

@JourneymanGeek Ooh, sounds potentially promising- is there a way to check without opening it up? I've got it on a three-way monitor stand which would capsize if I take it off (need to find a counterweight I guess)

Journeyman Geek

alas no

bertieb

It's one of the cheap Korean 2560x1440 27" dealies

Well, relatively 'cheap' anyway

DavidPostill

hahahahah Welsh village baffles outsiders with 26 different spellings of its name

> The 26 different names for the Welsh village

Trellech, Trylec, Tryleg, Trylleck

Trelec, Trelech, Treleeck, Trelegg,

Trelleg, Trellegg, Trellick, Trilec

Trileec, Trilegh, Trillec, Trilleck

Trillegh, Trillek, Trelleck, Tryled

Trilet, Treleck, Tryleghor, Trylec

Bechan, Trilecc or Trillet

bertieb

Not sure I have the skills to fix, but I guess I don't have much to lose now

I mean, the not-turning-back-on I could live with

(just hit source selection if I need to keep it awake across a reboot)

But if it doesn't actually display anything it's not terribly useful as a monitor

Ho hum

allquixotic

12:50 PM

@DavidPostill Siri/Google Assistant would be very confused

In 3 kilometers, turn right on M-795 towards Tryleghor.
Turn right towards Bechan.
In 500 meters, keep right towards Trylec.
Keep right towards Trillet.
In 1 kilometer, take a sharp left turn towards Tryled.

djsmiley2k

you could try looking mup the model and see if anyone else has done it?

ship it to dave ;D

Andy K

question

let's say you have shortcuts in a folder on a Windows OS. These shortcuts link to files, which are in a different folder

djsmiley2k

@allquixotic welsh is special like that

all would be pronunced the same.

Andy K

let's say now that I want to change the source folder path

djsmiley2k

other than Bechan and Trillet.

the rest I can 'hear' as sounding the same.

Andy K

1:01 PM

is there a way to change the direction of the shortcuts to the new path of the source folder

?

djsmiley2k

@AndyK 'direction' ?

do you mean destination?

Andy K

yes destination

djsmiley2k

right click shortcut - properties

Andy K

@djsmiley2k not for one, but for all of them as a one off change

~~I'm tired, I want to eat some candies...~~

oops wrong chat room

djsmiley2k

oh

Andy K

1:07 PM

@djsmiley2k one of my catch phrase

djsmiley2k

DavidPostill

@AndyK Are the shortcuts lnk files?

@AndyK Script Modify shortcut file (.lnk) target path using Powershell

Wrap this in some more scripting :)

Andy K

1:32 PM

@DavidPostill yes they are

Hakase

@Burgi why are you using sourcetree?

Burgi

1:50 PM

@Hakase why not?

i've tried other clients and they've all been crap or lacking critical features

djsmiley2k

2:24 PM

-1

Q: Unable to save multiple attachments to Network Drives

Just a little FYI - this bug has been outstanding since the beginning of the year. Saving ALL files to local drives works fine, but not to the network (which is what my customer wants to do). If you're unfortunate like me, you have a director who has been missing this feature, i've had nothing ...

off topic, lul

Burgi

sigh

another reference request for the disappearing dev

Andy K

2:38 PM

cya

djsmiley2k

lol

Richard

352 2 7

clients freelancing gender salary social-nuances united-kingdom

Is female

has 17k on SU

Journeyman Geek

hm?

Are you sure that's the correct link?

djsmiley2k

yus

Journeyman Geek

oh

17k on SO

djsmiley2k

83

A: How can I address a being paid less that my male colleagues with similar or lesser roles in my company?

I'm a female developer with 10 years' experience (despite my name here:)) and unfortunately this is a familiar situation. I think gnasher729's answer is excellent. There's no reason to assume it's a gender issue, but on the other hand, you are being paid less than a junior you are training, whic...

Sorry yeah, SO, not SU ;D

Journeyman Geek

2:48 PM

That's why I got confused

and I was looking at that

:D

3:05 PM

My SSD arrived! \∆/

@Burgi I was just wondering why yes

I've been using msvs builtin git functionality since it started working and then I ditched sourcetree

also

they updated sourcetree at some point and it got worse and worse with GUI, icons and then broke some core functionality, made it corrupt the repos, it was a giant mess

I stayed on the latest version which satisfied all my needs, and then I switched from it completely to msvs

I think it was like 1.8.3 or something

have you had any problems with it?

Burgi

we are ditching the .NET stack so we aren't using VS any more

Hakase

oh

there's still vs code and SQL ops studio which I think both have builtin git support

Burgi

@Hakase not since 1.2 or something

Hakase

3:15 PM

do you use SSMS or do you not use any ms products?

rahuldottech

Bloody hell! The SSD is so light!

Burgi

@Hakase we do for now but we moving all our sites over to LAMP stack.

Hakase

stackoverflow.com/questions/10060285/what-is-a-lamp-stack ...

Burgi

the server licensing costs are one of the reasons prompting our move

Hakase

idk if it's gonna be of any use there but have you seen sql ops studio?

I think it's extensible and supports any flavor of sql you install into it

same as vs code supposedly, since it follows the same ideology

idk if you guys have microsoft over there, I just don't know any other software at this point as well as theirs

Burgi

3:19 PM

i use mysql workbench

Hakase

looks cool and good

Burgi

for our agency we just can't afford the server licensing, hence the move to linux

Hakase

@rahuldottech can't shoot it at the wall?

I recently bought an m.2 ssd and I thought it was gonna be as big as a ram stick (it was twice smaller )

Burgi

unless a client specifically asks for .NET we are sticking with php

Hakase

alright, I have 0 knowledge of php, so no comments there

rahuldottech

3:23 PM

@Hakase It's absolutely ridiculous, but I still use it, simply because it's already present on like every server out there, and it's really not difficult to learn at all

In fact, it's wayyyy easier than C++, the other programming language which I use predominantly

Burgi

and cheaper

Hakase

idk if you can use c++ in web dev

I thought it's mostly js

and c# if you're into asp.net

rahuldottech

@Hakase No you can't

Burgi

php is the most popular serverside scripting language

Hakase

I mostly do desktop apps and backend services so I wouldn't know

Burgi

3:25 PM

@rahuldottech thats because php is a higher level language. it runs in an abstract layer

Hakase

if you find a better gui git client let me know

ToxicFrog

3:48 PM

@Hakase You definitely can use C++ for web dev, and in fact Google uses it extensively, but I wouldn't actually recommend it for that.

rahuldottech

@ToxicFrog Really? I've only seen this one website do it. And they claim that the webpages are "generated" with C++, so idk if it's realtime

tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/cpp_web_programming.htm

HUH

2

Q: C++ web development

I understand that as C++ isn't dynamic, its not seen as a particularly great base to build a website, but I believe it partly falls down to support. Are there any servers that run C++ programs as like a root, for example node.js creates the server and then handles all requests that go to the root...

c++ web-development-server

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k Not sure why you wound up with the 1200 rpm version. I thought you looked at the 1500 rpm ones?

rahuldottech

And it doesn't work with my SATA enclosure so idk

@bwDraco DUDE MY SSD ARRIVED

bwDraco

There's 900, 1200, and 1500 rpm versions. The 1500 rpm version would be the best in this case, but is also a bit louder and has a higher minimum speed.

What speed did you run the original three-speed fans at?

Burgi

@rahuldottech this is similar to C# .NET websites

they have to be compiled into a package prior to deployment

but i feel it is probably like a using a hammer to dig a hole

bwDraco

3:57 PM

@rahuldottech kingston.com/us/support/technical/acronis-download

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Disk Management shows "unalocated", so I'm creating a simple volume

@bwDraco Okay, figured it out

ToxicFrog

@rahuldottech the entire google ad serving stack and chunks of other google properties are written in C++, and just googling "C++ web framework" will find you a bunch of libraries and frameworks for server-side web c++

Obvs you'll still need HTML/CSS (or a templating language that compiles to it) for the actual page layout and JS (or, again, something that compiles to it) for stuff you want to run in the browser

In principle you can do web programming in anything that can read stdin and write stdout, if you a CGI-compatible httpd, and I have in fact done so in (among other things) C, C++, Bash, and Postscript -- none of which I would recommend for this purpose.

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k: Also, do note that ~~most~~ Noctua fans with PWM control will stop on a 0% PWM signal, a feature intended to enable semi-passive operation.

Though there is a minimum speed before the fan stops.

djsmiley2k

@bwDraco it was running about 10RPM ;D

litterally, it'd never turn, it's got built in sensor and generally didn't get warm emough

bwDraco

Original fan speed?

djsmiley2k

4:05 PM

and then just stopped working alltogehter.

bwDraco

The fan did have three speed settings.

djsmiley2k

Didn't realise there was diff speed ones, i got the one I linked, lol

bwDraco

It looks the "PMW"/"PWM" confusion was the problem.

djsmiley2k

amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KF7Q4WG/…

yup, 1200

ah yes

bwDraco

Blame the seller.

djsmiley2k

4:06 PM

The slower one actually works out better for me

Now.... can I hotplug a fdan in D:

as I said, it hardly runs

bwDraco

Well, this is a case fan, so I don't quite think you need 1500 rpm...

@djsmiley2k Well, I wouldn't do that on the motherboard itself.

rahuldottech

djsmiley2k

hmmm

can I run that on linux u_O

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Speeds with a shitty cheap USB enclosure ^

bwDraco

@rahuldottech Not bad.

@djsmiley2k It's OS-independent. I'd hibernate the system first.

The OS doesn't normally monitor the fans FWIW.

I have connected and disconnected fans from my desktop's liquid cooler while running, though that's not on the motherboard but on the liquid cooler's separate fan wires.

The original speed of the Antec fans was 1500 rpm on high. That is rather loud for some people, and I'd assume it's an exhaust fan (since it's on the top of the case), so 1200 rpm is perfectly fine.

You said the original fan was 4-pin, which means your motherboard was controlling the fan speed?

You might want to spend some time adjusting the fan curves to get an optimal mix of noise and temperature levels.

Or just set a fixed speed in the BIOS and leave it be.

It's up to you.

If it's always running at full speed... the 1200 rpm version is actually better due to the lower noise levels.

While my NF-A14 fans get rather loud past about 1100 rpm, they're intake fans that are pulling against a filter, and they're the only intake fans in a system that can generate more than 400 W of heat under load (and has up to four exhaust fans).

"up to" because not all of these fans may be on at once; most notably, my PSU can run semi-passively.

djsmiley2k

4:32 PM

yeah antec, but it wasn't on the mobo

bwDraco

So it wasn't motherboard controlled.

Does the case have a fan controller built in?

...nvm, the Antec Three Hundred doesn't.

Do you have an unused fan header on your motherboard or a Molex to fan connector adapter?

djsmiley2k

yup

unused 4pin

that's why i wanted a 4pin

bwDraco

Great.

Does your motherboard offer PWM control on that header?

Not every board does, even if it's 4-pin; some will only have simple DC voltage control.

Be sure to set up the fan curves to your liking.

bwDraco

4:52 PM

49 mins ago, by bwDraco

@djsmiley2k: Also, do note that ~~most~~ Noctua fans with PWM control will stop on a 0% PWM signal, a feature intended to enable semi-passive operation.

...actually, the industrial fans will not stop at 0% PWM.

Then again, this isn't something that concerns most users.

Burgi

ffs! the fracking brummie bastard!

you know the dev before the disappearing one?

DavidPostill

@Burgi the vampire?

Burgi

no the one after him

DavidPostill

I've lost count of your minions

Anyway, what's he done now?

bertieb

Welp, I had two people shout stuff at me on my way home

One was largely incomprehensible, and knowing Glaswegians, likely unrepeatable here

The other one was an Uber which roared past me as I was waiting for a light to change making a bizarre bird squawking noise

bwDraco

5:07 PM

anandtech.com/show/11695/…

> noctua needs to build that into their fans.

(from one of the comments)

djsmiley2k

wtf my desktop has usb 3 :O

> NEC® USB 3.0 controller
- 2 x USB 3.0/2.0 ports (at back I/O)
AMD SB850 chipset
- 12 x USB 2.0 ports (5 ports at mid-board, 7 ports at back I/O, 1 port at back I/O is also for ROG connect)

> 8 x Fan connectors: 1 x CPU / 1 x PWR / 3 x Chassis / 3 x Optional

annoying doesn't say if PWM or not

bwDraco

This start-stop feature is nothing new at all. Noctua has had this feature ever since they launched their first PWM fans.

Burgi

@DavidPostill he is the one that refused to commit code to source control

i've just discovered that roughly 15 email templates are missing

they aren't in source control and they aren't in the email sending platform

djsmiley2k

/me ponders

Burgi

the only evidence we have they existed is the fact we still have the test emails from the sending platform

so he has built them, uploaded them to the sender and then deleted them from it

bwDraco

5:13 PM

@djsmiley2k M4A89GTD PRO/USB3?

djsmiley2k

Crosshair IV Formula

bwDraco

Ah.

That's a flagship board, albeit an old one. It should have PWM control on all headers.

djsmiley2k

hmmm according to this it is tomshardware.co.uk/…

yah, old :(

Did u have to do a pratical as well as the exam?

bwDraco

...wait. There's a FireWire header on this board!

djsmiley2k

On mine?

yes.

xD

bwDraco

5:19 PM

(manual page 2-34)

> IEEE 1394a port connector (10-1 pin IE1394_2)

Fan header information is on page 2-35. Maximum fan current draw is 2A on each header and 7A aggregate.

djsmiley2k

is it pwm?

bwDraco

All have PWM control.

djsmiley2k

\o/

bwDraco

Be sure to set it up in the BIOS.

djsmiley2k

I'll have to get the linux tools to control it, but good to know

or that, yus

Windows has Q-Fan, but ew

bwDraco

5:24 PM

Fan control in the BIOS is under the Power > Hardware Monitor > Fan Speed Control.

(see page 3-32 in the manual)

Each of the OPT fans can be individually controlled.

On my Crosshair VI Extreme... there's a pair of CPU fan headers, a chassis fan header, two sets of four headers each for liquid cooler radiator fans, and a water pump header. All of these are four-pin PWM, controlled in groups, and have 1A max output (except for the water pump header, which allows up to 3A).

I know, that's loads of fan headers.

And if that's somehow not enough... it comes with a mezzanine board that provides even more fan headers.

djsmiley2k

lol

bwDraco

The chassis fan header and water pump header are unused on Astaroth. The intake fans are on radiator fan group 2, while the rear exhaust fan is on radiator group 1.

The extra fan headers is one of the standout features on this EATX board. The other is an M.2 heatsink. Neither of these are on the ATX-sized Crosshair VI Hero.

(the Crosshair VII Hero did add an M.2 heatsink above the first PCIe x16 slot)

Interesting. There are three chassis fan headers on the Crosshair VI Hero and they are individually controlled.

djsmiley2k

6:15 PM

Right

time to finish up these labs from today

rahuldottech

9:48 PM

I torrented a windows ISO because I couldn't regular download on this shitty connection. @Bob You can kill me now.

3

bwDraco

10:04 PM