Root Access

bwDraco

1:17 AM

@JourneymanGeek... exactly how important is support small/local business to you?

Journeyman Geek

Very

bwDraco

For me, small/local business typically gets somewhat preferential treatment, e.g. I may buy from a small shop even if the price is higher than what a big store charges for an equivalent product, but I do have limits.

If the price is, say, 10% higher, I will likely select the small business.

But if the difference is closer to 30%, the lower price wins.

@JourneymanGeek care to explain why it matters this much to you, to the point where no local availability means no sale, even for big-ticket electronics?

Journeyman Geek

I didn't say that

But that a company is local is one of the things I consider.

rahuldottech

2:16 AM

Good morning. People suck.

Chocolate, on the other hand, if the only thing worth living for

And coffee isn't bad either

Derivatives of cocoa and coffee beans > people

Bob

3:06 AM

hello hello

allquixotic

3:26 AM

c

Journeyman Geek

3:37 AM

#

c

++

F

#

Fim

3:41 AM

MLP:

roar

@bwDraco scree

@bwDraco awoo

@Ave Ya got me. What's Fim MLP

Ave

@FreezePhoenix it's MLP: FIM actually

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic

FreezePhoenix

3:43 AM

Thats not a programming language you forfeit.

:p JK

Ave

fite me

allquixotic

meow

FreezePhoenix

@Ave Don't wanna kill you... I just met you...

@allquixotic scree?

Ave

I'm stronger than I look :3

allquixotic

I'm a cat

Ave

3:45 AM

though lack of testosterone (and presence of estradiol) on my system doesn't help with building or maintaining muscles

FreezePhoenix

I'm a bipolar Phoenix

Capable of destroying a type 3 civ in weeks.

Ave

speaking of things to destroy

vamt is probably not happy about the fact that I'm trying to add 750 keys to it

FreezePhoenix

I'm also blind.

Ave

Oh? The image reads "Verifying key 552 of 750", inside VAMT, Volume Activation Management Tool.

I'm sorry about that BTW. I'll try to be more careful and post less images when you're around.

FreezePhoenix

Sounds like your... Cool computer is not having fun.

@Ave Nah I just will have to be able to visualize. (Hope you get Im jokin, right)

facepalm base autocorrect

Ave

3:51 AM

So wait, you're joking?

ah.

FreezePhoenix

I probably shouldn't joke about that should i.

Ave

I don't assume stuff when it comes to disabilities. If someone says that they're disabled in a certain way, I accept that and adjust my workflow to make stuff I do more accessible to them.

FreezePhoenix

Well, that's nice of you.

Now I just feel bad that I took advantage of that. 😨

Can we change the topic?

Ave

Sure.

I installed parabola: george-hates.despaci.host/i/6t9.png

So far it's pretty good. IDK if it's good enough to use it as my daily OS, but considering I use arch atm, I've got nothing to lose.

FreezePhoenix

Ha...

Ave

4:04 AM

(okay, to be fair, parabola is based on arch)

(and if I wanted linux-libre I could just install it through pacman)

FreezePhoenix

I win those 10k for disproving this to e cube. According to his principle, there would actually infinite days per day. Hence, his evidence is self destructive.

@Ave what can you install with th Pinkie?

Ave

with pacman?

FreezePhoenix

JK... pinkie is the pink ghost :p

have you ever played pacman?

RogUE

allquixotic

aww, those cute &s

Ave

4:12 AM

@FreezePhoenix yes

FreezePhoenix

Squished, but yes.

allquixotic

hard pacman game: &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&‌&&&&

FreezePhoenix

@RogUE A terminal versio n? Wow.

RogUE

@FreezePhoenix pacman4console it is.

there's this one in the terminal as well:

FreezePhoenix

snake!

@JennaSloan hi.

RogUE

4:17 AM

@FreezePhoenix it is worm, but more like snake. Pre-installed it seems.

FreezePhoenix

Worm = snake

allquixotic

4:35 AM

lots of flags in other rooms

FreezePhoenix

You get notified of those?

allquixotic

yeah I'm a 10k user

FreezePhoenix

That can't be fun...

allquixotic

more annoying than anything else, but gives me a sense of who's abusing flags / being abusive, because once in a while bad apples from other rooms come here

rahuldottech

@FreezePhoenix I think you meant '==' :P

allquixotic

4:42 AM

@rahuldottech not if they're writing in VBScript

If a = b Then

rahuldottech

@allquixotic VBScript is... Weird.

allquixotic

also Ruby has === and you can even define ================================================================================‌======================================== if you want

rahuldottech

Handy. But weird.

@allquixotic (ﾟ⊿ﾟ)

allquixotic

"does it really, really, really, really equal the other thing?"

FreezePhoenix

== is correct.

RogUE

4:45 AM

@rahuldottech I think '==' checks for equality, it doesn't say 'a and b are same'. At least in C++.

rahuldottech

@RogUE it... Checks if they are equal

GettingNifty

yeah you all by yourself

rahuldottech

Equal == Same

(?)

GettingNifty

balalala

allquixotic

@rahuldottech no, not necessarily

two objects (or structs, or ints, or whatever) can contain the same data, but may be separate copies of the data in distinct regions of memory

FreezePhoenix

4:49 AM

1 == "1"

/ / true

RogUE

@FreezePhoenix 0

allquixotic

in Java, == is for only if the references equal, meaning you have two variables that point to the same region of memory, they aren't distinct copies

RogUE

@FreezePhoenix That can't be true.

GettingNifty

i thought it means is

FreezePhoenix

@RogUE type conversion says it is.

allquixotic

4:50 AM

Object.equals method is for whether the data matches, regardless of whether it's the same region of memory

quartata

@FreezePhoenix wrong

GettingNifty

so it's not a check?

RogUE

1 is int the "1" is char.

GettingNifty

it's a command

quartata

everything is a language if you try hard enough

GettingNifty

4:51 AM

what about or is

FreezePhoenix

Whoa what coding language are we talking in? I'm using js

rahuldottech

@FreezePhoenix depends upon the programming language

GettingNifty

&& or |

that means and and, or

FreezePhoenix

&& is just and

GettingNifty

but hard and

RogUE

4:53 AM

@FreezePhoenix I was talking about C++.

GettingNifty

&& in java yes means and, for real

RogUE

@FreezePhoenix so js uses type conversion while checking for inequalities?

GettingNifty

it means execute this code, and then this code

FreezePhoenix

Maybe.

allquixotic

@RogUE destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

FreezePhoenix

4:56 AM

@GettingNifty doesn't it mean execute this code, and if the result is a monster etc value, do this code?

GettingNifty

lol

no a monster value should never exist

you should write the monster value so that it throws an exception

if youre cpu can't handle it I would just give up

FreezePhoenix

@allquixotic Wat

GettingNifty

Every four years the difficulty of cryptocurrency increases.

DavidPostill

@GettingNifty Your recent conversation is not making any sense. If you don't have anything sensible to say then please go elsewhere.

Thanks guys.

bwDraco

5:18 AM

Thanks for keeping things running smoothly.

allquixotic

(removed)

bwDraco

@FreezePhoenix That would be true under JavaScript, but not in most programming languages.

Which is why using === instead of == is recommended in most situations. The former checks type; the later does not and allows type conversions to achieve a true result.

allquixotic

you can delete it in 40 seconds

Thomas Ward

coughs

let's move on everyone

allquixotic

man, it's like everyone's walking on tenterhooks after the blog post @_@

chat's no longer fun... I'll come back later

FreezePhoenix

5:23 AM

Have a nice time with your cat.

bwDraco

@allquixotic So... on unexpected results from type comparisons...

What other commonly-used languages do this?

FreezePhoenix

Nodejs

bwDraco

Hmm... Seems PHP does this.

php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php

FreezePhoenix

Type Script

bwDraco

> $a == $b
Equal
TRUE if $a is equal to $b after type juggling.

FreezePhoenix

5:26 AM

Force Script

bwDraco

> var_dump(0 == "a"); // 0 == 0 -> true

WTF.

No wonder people consider PHP a terrible language.

FreezePhoenix

What?

No, I agree with that.

bwDraco

JS returns false for this comparison.

FreezePhoenix

No no no you got it wrong.

Wait you got it right.

In PHP, a char is equivalent to its index in the alplabet.

DavidPostill

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FreezePhoenix

5:33 AM

Brainf**k

DavidPostill

@FreezePhoenix Well spotted. Equality in said language

FreezePhoenix

I can't read it though :p

DavidPostill

I can't read or write it :)

FreezePhoenix

I can't write it either.

Michael Frank

6:00 AM

Computer, NO! I do not want an 88GB copy of Iron Man 2...

FreezePhoenix

Lol.

Yesterday my computer said that a file was 878668675.5 bits.

Bob

6:15 AM

Schrödinger's bit

FreezePhoenix

Hahaha...

Bye.

Bob

10:00 AM

welp.

dropped my phone down a (spiral) staircase... 3m total, at least one 1+m drop

somehow the glass came out unscathed

but there's now a few stuck pixels on the OLED ... bleh

@JourneymanGeek ^

DavidPostill

10:14 AM

> Detect and Fix (Android)

With a straightforward name, Dead Pixel Detect And Fix (DPDF) is a straightforward method for locating and potentially repairing dead or stuck pixels. The free app is available for Android 2.3 and later, and features an interface that is both self-explanatory and easy to navigate. Like many apps and programs in our guide on how to fix a dead pixel, DPDF lets you cycle through various colors to locate and potentially fix a dead or stuck pixel using an extended series of six flashing screens.

Also see Stuck Pixel Tool - Apps on Google Play

Save Your Cell Phone Screen by Massaging Dead Stuck Pixels Away

Bob

10:43 AM

@DavidPostill pretty sure that won't help hardware damage

it's a couple clusters along a 4mm line

Journeyman Geek

11:16 AM

@Bob it can spread

or stay, my brother's S7 had a line for years

bertieb

11:47 AM

6 hours ago, by DavidPostill

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Is that BF?

Ah, yes it is

Apparently 7 hours ago is a couple of turns of the scrollwheel

Bob

12:01 PM

@JourneymanGeek ...hopefully not. looks fairly stable for now

djsmiley2k

12:56 PM

We are nearly home \o/

Journeyman Geek

1:29 PM

@allquixotic :( . TBH, ours is actually one of the rooms, that in theory, people mostly don't have issues with. If there's specific stuff here you're not happy about - LMK, maybe on gitter and I'll see if we can work on it?

djsmiley2k

1:41 PM

And home \o/

Hmmm was there another blog post?

Also can I join in the gitter?

Journeyman Geek

I don't even remember how to invite people XD

@allquixotic @Bob?

tbh, we were talking about something properly self hosted too, but yanno these things

I should just set up an IRC server

Bob

@JourneymanGeek no objections

but yea we really should do a matrix server

Journeyman Geek

@Bob more like I don't remember how to do it ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek actually we have a public channel on gitter

Journeyman Geek

.... oh

SORRY!

Bob

1:50 PM

gitter.im/RootAccessOrg/PublicChat

the private channel ... idk, up to you :P

last message 2015

Journeyman Geek

ah lol

I forgot about that

holy crap

I've not talked to that guy in years

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek we could run an umber of IRC servers together, with the numer of people here who could host.

I'm just looking at some Out of Band access to you guys :D

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k we could

djsmiley2k

just in case I say something really really stupid

@JourneymanGeek it'd be an interesting project at least lol

Journeyman Geek

.....that gives me multiple terrible ideas :)

@djsmiley2k problem with IRC for me is decisionitis

there's a lot of meh options to run a server

I used to do unreal + anope

djsmiley2k

1:55 PM

I've never properly run one, just as a proof of concept

(i.e. to see if I could)

or there's 'other' options too, tho i dont' know which are selfhosted, etc etc

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k I have a few, a few slack rooms,

dystroy.org/miaou/static/intro.html looks nice if I could ... hmm

djsmiley2k

one of my best questions

18

Q: How to set filters/automatically put email into correct bundle?

I am using Google's new Inbox, as a long time (pre-beta) GMail user I'm used to setting up filters to make sure some emails go to the correct places, as google never categories them correctly. This option seems to no longer exist in inbox, how do I make sure emails about jobs (from specific job ...

inbox-by-gmail

still getting upvotes·

Also, Scotland was HOT. Like wut

Journeyman Geek

Ok.

Lot of stuff should start moving next week ^^

djsmiley2k

Moving..... what, here?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k oh for me ;p

djsmiley2k

1:58 PM

ah right

workwise?

Journeyman Geek

oh

currently no.

Just in terms of everything

;p

(like all the stuff I'm spazzing out over)

@Bob does australia have decathalons?

the stores, not the event

odd, massive sports good store... picked up a small backpack for 4 dollars ;p

and this

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Journeyman Geek

little handcrank torchlight. Cause it presses all my buttons

Bob

I don't rememebr seeing one

Journeyman Geek

ah ;p

Bob

2:08 PM

@djsmiley2k soooo DIY matrix? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob or irc. Matrix still needs registrations and its a bit odd ;p

djsmiley2k

@Bob lol sure :D

wait, someone called their program matrix?

Journeyman Geek

no

Bob

@JourneymanGeek tbh I don't like irc much

Journeyman Geek

they called the protocol matrix

the server is called synapse

djsmiley2k

2:11 PM

ah yes, that tactic of making sure your name is a common word so no one can google your product?

Journeyman Geek

Maiou's actually a decent option if we wanted to go single server

djsmiley2k

I really like IRC or something like that, because SO accessible

i really see it as just for OoB stuff tho

Journeyman Geek

Ya

djsmiley2k

not trying to replace this place at all.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k mostly what we use these things for

djsmiley2k

2:14 PM

D:

plus can do ssl for those who need iut.

Journeyman Geek

and occationally stuff too embarassing for main chat lol

djsmiley2k

yah, that's why I asked about gitter.

Journeyman Geek

I whine a lot.

djsmiley2k

lol sure.

See, I do my whining here ;)

Journeyman Geek

(I mean, I think @Bob only got about half of my last round of "ugh parents")

djsmiley2k

2:15 PM

Lol any 'Parents' comments simply get my 'Move out then' response ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol. I'm still a little mindful this is pulic

@djsmiley2k naw, they were supposed to do a thing for me.

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek oh, ok, that sucks :/

Journeyman Geek

and kinda put it off till the last moment, and didn't keep me filled in and...

well turns out they did!

djsmiley2k

in that case the whining is valid.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

djsmiley2k

2:17 PM

Sorry

Journeyman Geek

And it didn't work out and that's fine!

djsmiley2k

I have a friend on psn, who just whines about everything, all the time

Journeyman Geek

hah

djsmiley2k

very boring.

xD

Journeyman Geek

I tend to distribute my whining

djsmiley2k

2:17 PM

But while he claims he can take whatever anyone says to him, I doubt he can

Only child syndrome.

Journeyman Geek

(cause I'm currently having the tiniest bit of multifaceted imposter syndrome XD)

djsmiley2k

because I can be very to the point.

Oh imposter syndrome.... it never goes away :/

Journeyman Geek

Naw, it dosen't

it just changes

djsmiley2k

But at the same time, if it did, I'd be bored.

The more I know, the more I know I don't know.

Journeyman Geek

Though I'm aware everyone else potentially involved has the same issues

djsmiley2k

2:20 PM

But I also get some weird..... 'everyone is stupid' syndrome, where I can see the solution to a problem and can't understand why anyone else can't.

Journeyman Geek

"Oh shit, I just am in $strange_situation and I'm not ready and I hope $person says $response but there's so many people better than me and...."

djsmiley2k

But, never shout loud enough ;)

Journeyman Geek

Then I realise. Every. One. Has. That. Too

djsmiley2k

They do, or they are .... suffering from some mental illnesses which makes people have the opposite.

Or they have just never failed, ever, and are about to

Journeyman Geek

Dunning Kruger? ;p

djsmiley2k

2:21 PM

But yeah most sensible people think they can't do the things they can.

Grandeur, etc

Trying to not be insulting to no one in perticular, because randomly I'm being nice I guess?

Journeyman Geek

lol

quite

Though

djsmiley2k

So there's a bus on fire not too far away

Journeyman Geek

I actually think a little imposter syndrome makes for better interactions with people

just a little though

djsmiley2k

Yup

My senior colleague loves me to ask him things.

Now if I didn't doubt myself, I wouldn't.

Journeyman Geek

hah, yeah

djsmiley2k

2:24 PM

Right

Journeyman Geek

though in my current job I don't ask things cause I don't know. I ask things cause there's no bloody organised documentation

djsmiley2k

we onmly got back from Scotland 1/2 hr ago or so

but need to go get shopping

so we can at least last til ~tuesday

@JourneymanGeek Oh that is a factor too

Journeyman Geek

But eh

djsmiley2k

I know I'm gonna get torn a new one on monday because I did something

Journeyman Geek

work's the sort of place where you can't really get fired

djsmiley2k

2:25 PM

but.... I was told by someone 'MAKE IT WORK'. So I did.

not my fault there was no one I could really ask

@JourneymanGeek well that's good, but it breeds complaiancy.

Journeyman Geek

hah

djsmiley2k

right, gone

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k Its embarassing when I mess things up

but some other folk...

Well I had an easier team when I was with a team of newbies than some of the 2 year veterans

(few people seem to last more than 3)

djsmiley2k

3:00 PM

hmmm

well my boss generally isn't involved unless I really really really messed something up, which I haven't really done so far

there was the time i broke DNS for a client, but that was forgiven due to bad UI, and the fact no one else noticed for 2 days.

but my other collegue, he messes up a lot

and the senior guy is like 'dafaq you doing?'

but it's... silly stuff, and I can see why he's annoyed

and the guy is like 'I don't get why he's on my back all the time!'

Ohj joys

looks like more whining about youtube.

/me ponders if it's as FUD as the whining about 'youtube isn't showing me all my subs'

which was total and utter bs.

but funny to watch

bwDraco

4:33 PM

Here's a little tidbit I learned about some 15 years ago: the Gimli Glider, Air Canada Flight 143—a glider-like landing onto a Canadian Air Force base-turned-racetrack after the Boeing 767 ran out of fuel due to a computational error during the transition from imperial to metric units.

Gimli Glider

Air Canada Flight 143 was a scheduled domestic passenger flight between Montreal and Edmonton that ran out of fuel on July 23, 1983 at an altitude of 12,500 metres (41,000 ft), midway through the flight. The crew was able to glide the Boeing 767 aircraft safely to an emergency landing at a former Royal Canadian Air Force base in Gimli, Manitoba, that had been turned into a motor racing track. This unusual aviation incident earned the aircraft the nickname "Gimli Glider." The subsequent investigation revealed that a combination of company failures, human errors and confusion over unit measures had...

allquixotic

@Bob omgomgomg I wanna do Synapse now \o/

bwDraco

Notwithstanding the fact that they missed the mistake while checking fuel prior to takeoff, the pilots were given an airmanship award for making a landing that most commercial airline pilots would not have been able to make.

AC143 has got to be one of the weirdest aviation incidents in memory.

bertieb

@djsmiley2k If it makes you feel better, it's raining this afternoon :P

allquixotic

did someone here buy rootaccess.org?

djsmiley2k

4:58 PM

@bertieb :D

FuckJMGCat

6:02 PM

Did I really...

... Wow, yes, yes I did. Blimey. Gonna have to fix that...

!!kittens

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

*cough*kittens*cough*

djsmiley2k

6:53 PM

I fed lambs this weekend?

bwDraco

7:35 PM

meow

Welcome back, @qasdfdsaq. I hope you're feeling better.

Journeyman Geek

8:24 PM

@allquixotic 0_0

DavidPostill

> Registry Registrant ID: C195902096-LROR
Registrant Name: Povl Ole Haarlev Olsen
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: Emdrupvaenge 149
Registrant City: Copenhagen OE
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code: 2100
Registrant Country: DK
Registrant Phone: +45.39207058
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: hostmaster@rootacess.org

Journeyman Geek

ah, so none of us unless we have a very stealthy dane

DavidPostill

> Povl Ole Haarlev Olsen
WEB designer

> Department of Applied Mathematics and Computer Science
Technical University of Denmark

Journeyman Geek

and this is why I use a service to mask who owns my domains ;p

DavidPostill

8:41 PM

:)

allquixotic

8:52 PM