Root Access

Don't worry about it- I was using it to recreate some common byobu'd windows on startup, but the machine I was doing it on has uptime of nearly a year so I'm not too fussed now :P

djsmiley2k

byobu?

bertieb

frontend to screen/tmux

Has a fair few quality-of-life improvements

> Byobu is a GPLv3 open source text-based window manager and terminal multiplexer. It was originally designed to provide elegant enhancements to the otherwise functional, plain, practical GNU Screen, for the Ubuntu server distribution. Byobu now includes an enhanced profiles, convenient keybindings, configuration utilities, and toggle-able system status notifications for both the GNU Screen window manager and the more modern Tmux terminal multiplexer

bertieb

7:43 PM

Anyone have any experience with smart TVs? (Samsung and Sony)

I took photos for a friend and put them on a USB drive and he's now asking if they'll show up on a smart TV

And I have no idea

I formatted the drive NTFS but perhaps I should redo it as FAT32?

Canadian Luke

@bertieb I have little experience with the "smarts" of TVs, but I typically see requirements like "Must be FAT formatted" (whether it's FAT32, FAT16, or even exFAT). I haven't seen any that support NTFS, yet

So, I'd give that a try first. You can always run convert from Windows to change a FAT device to NTFS without data loss

bertieb

@CanadianLuke Cheers, will try

Canadian Luke

Good luck

bertieb

Cheers!

I think some of the newer models support NTFS but FAT32 is probably a safer bet

I'm just hoping I can re-rsync them all to the drive before he gets here :P

Canadian Luke

If it supports exFAT, and the drive is larger than 4GB, I'd try that

bertieb

7:49 PM

No idea what it supports

More likely to support exFAT than FAT32?

Michael

FAT32 can support drives up to 2 TB, provided you set the cluster size high enough.

bertieb

This is a wee 8GB usb drive to share ~500 photos witha friend this evening

I'm not worried about bumping into limits, only support from smart TVs, since he asked :P

allquixotic

exFAT is nothing like fat32 btw - a driver for fat32 won’t work for exFAT

Michael

My feeling is that FAT32 is more widely supported, since it's been around longer.

bertieb

Which would you recommend?

allquixotic

7:54 PM

A dumb tv is unlikely to support exFAT

bertieb

That was my feeling

Michael

I would definitely avoid NTFS

bertieb

but I also wondered about TVs running Android or Linux under the hood, and formatting their own root partitions exFAT (for some reason that's in my head)

Aye, fair enough

One quick reformat later, the files are transferred

Wait no what

rsync complained at the end of the transfer about permissions

Drive, y u do this

incoherent grumbling

Michael

You know you live in the first world when you have to copy files to your TV.

rahuldottech

8:19 PM

Windows XP ERROR Song

►

Canadian Luke

8:30 PM

@bertieb Why would rsync care about file permissions against a FAT32 device?

It should automatically make every file/folder rwxrwxrwx, and owned by root:root, right?

bertieb

@CanadianLuke shrug

possibly it's some quirk of filesystem mounting

Canadian Luke

... Very weird...

bertieb

NTFS driver is userspace or somesuch so I could write there as my user

But FAT32 was mounted so only root could read it? I dunno

I mean either way it's grand

What I don't understand is why rsync did the whole thing with a transfer rate and everything, and then failed, writing nothing

The upshot is the transfer didn't complete so I sent my friend away driveless

At this point I am tempted to buy a new USB drive as the ones I have are old and creaky and doing weird things anyway

Canadian Luke

What mount options were set?

Michael Frank

Gah! I have a user that accepted some Exchange meeting invites from his iPhone and now there's many many responses being sent to the organiser... :|

bertieb

8:37 PM

No mount options, just mount /dev/sdXN /tmp/usb/

Canadian Luke

Output of mount?

bertieb

No output

djsmiley2k

@CanadianLuke rsync can't write permissions to fat32

yet it doesn't care that it can't, only that it fails.

It's just a warning, the files have likely worked?

Canadian Luke

That seems... So weird...

bertieb

df said no space was used

and the directory listing was empty

So I think it really did fail in the least helpful manner

Scratch getting a new drive, earliest delivery date is Friday

Thank, beast from the east blizzard

...I think the ghost of the Windows File Transfer dialog is possessing my copy of rsync

Estimated completion time is between 4 minutes and 2 hours

angrish

This is why I don't bother with USB drives, as a rule

djsmiley2k

8:41 PM

oh

did u rsync as root?

sudo mount /dev/blah ./meh

bertieb

I am now, yes

djsmiley2k

sudo rsync ./moo/* ./meh/

bertieb

But when the drive was formatted ntfs it didn't need root to complete the copy

djsmiley2k

yeah, mounts are rwxr-xr-x by default

bertieb

Except FAT32? :P

Besides, surely there should be some error/warning either before it begins or at the very least, after the first file if rsync can't write to the target?!

djsmiley2k

8:42 PM

no, all

the mount POINT

so inside the mount is ./

that will have rwxr-xr-x by default

So if you mounted aas root

Who killed Biggie and Tupac

Ah..........

bertieb

I mounted both as root; only one then needed root to copy files to the drive

Which is odd

rahuldottech

Just Another School Shooting.

►

God I'm in a bad mood

Turning in for the night

bertieb

But then if ntfs3g is userspace (or something) maybe that explains it?

rahuldottech

Goodnight

bertieb

8:44 PM

'night!

Permissions notwithstanding; surely there should be some warning either before it begins or at the very least, after the first file if rsync can't write to the target?!

djsmiley2k

@bertieb did you create a mount point, as root?

bertieb

Nope, user

djsmiley2k

:/

oh ntfsgg is screwed

can't.... create/change file sizes etc

bertieb

I dunno

Wrote all the files themselves fine

At this point I'm just hoping the file transfer completes to the FAT32-formatted drive

Because it is getting slower and sslloowweerr and ssslllooowwweeerrr

I found another drive, which I'll try

I mean, it didn't want to format at first, but after a couple of tries and asking nicely, it seems to have taken

I swear my equipment is cursed sometimes

If this doesn't work both drives are going in the bin, via a Universal Reconfiguration Device (hammer)

bwDraco

9:01 PM

@bertieb lol

@rahuldottech I was very tempted to flag that. Given the recent mass shootings, it's insensitive and hurtful to victims and their families.

bertieb

Copy #2 is catching up!

gif, y u no animate?!

Michael Frank

How do you fix something that is already apparently "fixed"?

bertieb

Fix it harder

Either that or more duct tape, according to the "if it moves and it shouldn't" principle

What's fixed/'fixed' that needs fixin'?

Michael Frank

9:17 PM

iOS user accessing their Exchange account through the Mail app on their iPhone. They're up to date with iOS version, and from everything I can see this issue has been fixed by Apple/Microsoft... but whenever they accept a meeting from their phone it generates heaps of accepted response emails in the organisers inbox.

bertieb

Ah

Michael Frank

It was fixed in iOS 9.3. Yet, this 11.2.6 user is experiencing the exact same issue.

bertieb

Regression maybe?

(Exchange and iOS are so far out of my range of expertise that if I tried to help I'd probably be hit with a whole raft of UN sanctions)

(joke topicality: solid 5/7, delivery: ★★☆☆☆, overall grade C-)

Michael Frank

9:33 PM

Possibly, although I'm sure I would have seen a few more results online about it if that were the case.

It must be an Exchange issue on our end.

bertieb

Ah yeah, could be

Good luck tracking it down, either way!

Michael Frank

I'm not Exchange admin, so I don't care!

bertieb

👍 :D

Michael Frank

I'll just tell the user that they need to accept invites from their laptop. thumbsup

bertieb

Fair enough :P

Both of my file copies completed to both USB drives, seemingly successfully (!)

I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge I've been saving for just such a celebration

Michael Frank

9:41 PM

I rsync'd about 2TB of data the other day. That was exciting. :)

Michael

10:38 PM

rsync is bae

djsmiley2k

10:49 PM

Rsync is life.

Canadian Luke

rsync is wife-material

Bob

11:06 PM

morn

allquixotic

c

rahuldottech

If any of you are on mobile, can you see this: 🆂🅴🆁🅴🅽🅳🅸🅿🅸🆃🆈?

@bertieb I can't legally drink for 9 years

@bwDraco it's a mockery of how the government is reacting to the situation. I sent that message out if spite and disgust for how the situation is being treated. It was sarcastic.

bertieb

11:22 PM

@rahuldottech I don't really drink tbh

rahuldottech

@bertieb lol. I don't really plan on doing so either, but it's nice to know that I can

bertieb

Empty calories and I enjoy sobriety shrug

Aye true

If somebody told me I couldn't drink for 9 years, I'd be irked

rahuldottech

@bwDraco see previous messages chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43107313#43107313

bertieb

But only mildly inconvenienced

That said, I'd be more inclined to drink if I was banned, just out of contrariness

FML Cat

@rahuldottech I stopped drinking once it became legal

rahuldottech

11:24 PM

@FMLCat you started drugs though so... Meh :P

bertieb

It's tricky getting the tone right on highly-politicised events

Sometimes it's better to speak your mind / state your opinion plainly rather than being facetious or using irony

rahuldottech

@bertieb true. Very valid.

FML Cat

@rahuldottech I'll stop taking those iff/when they become legal too

Canadian Luke

Meh... Drinking is over-rated anyways

bertieb

I share your sense of frustration though

Alcohol is a drug :P

(a facile statement, I know)

But really, it does a huge amount of harm to a good chunk of the population

And yet it's... glorified? embraced? not quite the right words

We'll see if the minimum alcohol pricing decreases consumption, or (more likely), increases trips to Carlisle

rahuldottech

11:30 PM

@bertieb it's not really something I care about, I just like to complain about restrictions which are imposed on me ;P

bertieb

It's strange that the money raised by the levy goes to the retailer though; I guess it was about the only bone that they could throw to forestall a coalition of legal challenges, and not jst from the manufacturers

rahuldottech

@FMLCat did hookah yesterday. Was very meh.

I felt "high" for like maybe 2 or 3 minutes, and I'm pretty sure that not what really being high even is

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech dude... Not cool.

bertieb

@rahuldottech Aye, restrictions are... irksome

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek sorry, I was just very pissed with how the whole thing is being handled

And then all these people in India are treating Trump like god without knowing anything about him whatsoever

Idiots

FML Cat

11:33 PM

@rahuldottech Did your mom yesterday. Was very meh.

rahuldottech

@FMLCat -.-

Do you not like live in Europe or something

bertieb

That... remains to be seen

FML Cat

Hookah

A hookah or ḡalyān (Persian: قلیان Urdu: حقّہ (Nastaleeq), IPA: [ˌɦʊqqaː]; also see other names) is a single or multi-stemmed instrument for vaporizing and smoking flavored tobacco (called Mu‘assel), or sometimes cannabis or hashish, whose vapor or smoke is passed through a water basin—often glass-based—before inhalation. Health risks of smoking hookah include exposure to toxic chemicals that are not filtered out by the water and risk of infectious disease when hookahs are shared. There are two theories regarding the origin of the hookah. The first is that it originates in Safavid dynasty of Persia...

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat also not funny

FML Cat

So you smoked a lame cigarette or did weed?

@JourneymanGeek I'm so hot I'm uncool

rahuldottech

11:35 PM

@FMLCat not weed. Friends do weed, idk, might try it. Apparently super easy to get a hold of

FML Cat

We don't consider regular tobacco "doing drugs"

I prefer to refer to it as "Giving yourself cancer"

rahuldottech

@FMLCat it wasn't tobacco either

It's some non-addictive thingy

Probably has nicotine tho

FML Cat

> A hookah or ḡalyān (Persian: قلیان Urdu: حقّہ (Nastaleeq), IPA: [ˌɦʊqqaː]; also see other names) is a single or multi-stemmed instrument for vaporizing and smoking flavored tobacco (called Mu‘assel), or sometimes cannabis or hashish

Your options there are tobacco or cannabis or cannabis

Anything else and you're using your hookah for a ~~non-approved~~ non-wikipedia listed purpose

rahuldottech

@FMLCat Wikipedia knows nothing

FML Cat

@rahuldottech Says the teenage schoolkid who hasn't even got drunk yet

rahuldottech

11:43 PM

@FMLCat wtf does that have to do with knowing Wikipedia can be incomplete?

FML Cat

@rahuldottech You know nothing ~~Jon Snow~~ until you've drunk edited Wikipedia

Canadian Luke

Apparently, bash.org is blocked in my organization

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