Root Access

shrug You're making drama for the sake of making drama. Please try not to. You don't like it Sure, I'll remember it for the next time, but if you're bring disruptive and just making drama, I suggest this isn't the place for it.

Michael Frank

12:39 AM

Journeyman Geek

0_0

what the heck is a i2900 0_0

and what does this have to do with fonts?

Michael Frank

A scanner.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Michael Frank

I'm guessing he somehow set his default font to that awful bold highlighted style.

D.Hutchinson

@JourneymanGeek whether someone "likes" something or not is all relative - and so is your mom :)

Michael Frank

12:41 AM

Rewind a little bit... I sent him an email asking for a service key to a particular model of scanner. He replied with that info, in that font style.

D.Hutchinson

now if you'll excuse me ... Im heading back to the hospital now ... to visit my mom ...

Journeyman Geek

but dude, Arial!

D.Hutchinson

just please reflect on what I said, though, ok?

that was hurtful ...

Journeyman Geek

right! Now, I'm vaguely convinced your sole goal here is drama. We don't do drama. Might want to spend a while reflecting on the tone and content of this room before you return.

D.Hutchinson

@JourneymanGeek I'm going to report you to Tim Post and Robert and Shog and have your diamond removed. You're the one who started off with insulting my mom, who is dying of cancer.

Journeyman Geek

12:45 AM

@D.Hutchinson go ahead.

Ben N

In other news, I'll be starting work in a biochemistry research lab tomorrow and I'm super excited! :D

4

Journeyman Geek

fun! Try not to kill us all

or was that high energy physics...

Ben N

Heh, I think I'll be doing mostly bioinformatics, at least at first

The most dangerous thing that could conceivably happen there is maybe my laptop falling out the window onto a passerby?

Journeyman Geek

ah!

Ben N

My major at the university is biology though, so I'll eventually have non-computery projects

Journeyman Geek

1:09 AM

._.

now I feel old ;p

Michael Frank

so biochemistry is mooshing animals together to see what their output is, right?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank no, that's applied abomination of science.

Bob

A graduate admissions application is not the place to be seeking psychological closure. (And academia.stackexchange is not the place to be diagnosing psychological problems.) — Sneftel 13 hours ago

Michael Frank

@Bob That question is the real wtf.

Michael Frank

2:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek What have you done...

0

Q: I feel I was suspended incorrectly,

I had a chat with Shog9, who advised me to ask the question here. Basically, I had a conversation with the moderator, Journey Man Geek, in the Root Access chat room, and I feel he insulted my mom with Time is entirely relative. So's your mom. And I reacted to it, and in turn he gave me a ...

Journeyman Geek

2:30 AM

@MichaelFrank replied

feel free to weigh in

bwDraco

13 Siblings, Some Shackled to Beds, Were Held Captive by Parents, Police Say (limited free access, 5/month)

You cannot be serious.

Journeyman Geek

duuuuuude, dark

Bob

...including the price makes it look like some kind of ad blurb

is nyt paying you for this? :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob he's just worried people will complain about paywalls

bwDraco

Not price, maximum articles per month before you hit the paywall.

@JourneymanGeek Is this inappropriate for the room?

Bob

2:43 AM

@bwDraco ah

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco is fine needed context

Michael Frank

2:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek Eh, I think you said it all.

It was a weird conversation, and I think you are right that his previous interactions in the room were odd as well.

Bob

3:36 AM

^ Reasons I can't take the AMD community seriously

FML Cat

!! Caaaaaaaat2

ChatBot John Cavil

FML Cat

@JourneymanGeek Incorrect. I do drama. Lots of it.

And despite your many attempts to get rid of me, I'm still here. So's ur mom.

@Bob eh, I see regular fanboi-ism on both sides. Would you say the AMD community exhibits more of it?

@JourneymanGeek If your mom weighed in, she'd break the scales.

Bob

@FMLCat They do seem to be more obvious about it. And louder.

FML Cat

Also your mom is relative is not an insult.

Unless you meant relativistic in mass or something which would go well with the time reference and general relativity in general

bwDraco

5:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek: OnePlus seems to be having some issues with credit card fraud lately; card data from recent orders seem to be getting intercepted, resulting in unauthorized transactions: forums.oneplus.net/threads/credit-card-fraud.747206

Aaron

anyone here know their way around windows restore from image? I'm getting frustrated...

says no disk that can be used can be found even though the new empty drive shows up when it asks if you want to exclude drives.

...hmm maybe I found it here

Boris_yo

6:23 AM

"Proxy: No Proxy or Invisible Proxy Used"

What does that mean. I am using HMA VPN.

Alexander O'Mara

6:41 AM

-4

Q: What recourse do I have, if a moderator insults my mom and then suspends me, too?

I had a conversation with the moderator, Journey Man Geek, in the Root Access chat room, and I feel he insulted my mom with saying Time is entirely relative. So's your mom. Being caught off-guard, I reacted badly to it, and in turn he gave me a one-day suspension, which I don't feel is fair...

discussion moderation moderators

^ Mostly a repost of the earlier one.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

7:00 AM

Guys I think he thinks I can remove JourneymanGeek diamond uhhh let me explain:

I made a joke and said I was a robot controlled by Robert Cartaino/Shog9 it seems like he took it too far. (Not %100 sure if he is talking about me and I never told him to post anything.)

I hope he is not talking about me.

OK, time to slip away.

Maybe it wasn't me he was talking about. Time for me to go and rest easy knowing this is not a valid reason for me to get suspended.

HWHH out! (Sorry I can't stop talking in here.)

!!/help

ChatBot John Cavil

7:18 AM

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@IAmABot Hi

Oh wait is it a bot?

Sorry if you are not a bot IAmABot.

I should of checked the reps.

Aaron

anyone wanna give me a hand? I'm up against system recovery not correctly identifying the system disk :/

diskpart> select disk=system: there is no system disk to be selected

I must be looking either for a bios setting or some denomination of disk configuration in diskpart...

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 ..... dude...

You do realised you just made the whole thing worse right?

did he actually talk to shog?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

No clue.

It was a joke pre the suspension .

Journeyman Geek

You do realise I need to mention this on the meta answer right?

could you link where this was?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

7:32 AM

pre = before.

Journeyman Geek

seriously, maaaan.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@JourneymanGeek Of?

Journeyman Geek

where you convinced him you were a bot

I will give you a stern talking to shortly

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Please hold.

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 please don't tell people you're a bot controlled by (some staffer) or (some user) ever again

like, don't even think about it.

or even think about thinking about it.

Rajneesh Gadge

7:34 AM

:D

Journeyman Geek

Clear?

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Somewhere around here:

in , Jan 12 at 6:14, by Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I will contact a higher up about this, I am good friends with one of the higher ups:

it started.

@JourneymanGeek Yes, sir. (See I am very understanding.)

Journeyman Geek

ehh

I wouldn't count that as impersonation

Your stern talking to, alas, may come another day

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

No, that's where it started.

Journeyman Geek

nope, not seeing it

so shrug

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

7:47 AM

stern?

Journeyman Geek

serious.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

Oh.

Journeyman Geek

Somewhere less serious than the rolled up newspaper

Like, yanno "BAD DOG"

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

HWHH out!

@JourneymanGeek Myself included?

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 if you say you're a bot controlled by @HenryWHHackv2.1.1 ....

ehhh we were merely look at you funny

!!baroo

7:55 AM

like so

OK.

Another lesson learned on how to moderate \o/

Well, it's getting late here.

Journeyman Geek

go the frell to sleep? ;p

bwDraco

I'd kinda say, "by claiming that you're a bot, you've confused a lot of us, including a CM. Please don't do that again."

I just don't know how to word things like this well.

Social experience problem (meaning, no solution in chat, outside action needed)?

Journeyman Geek

8:03 AM

hah

see, I first worked out if he said he was a bot

never deal with a problem that dosen't exist. We don't get paid enough

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I was kinda aware of this; it's in the chat user profile.

Journeyman Geek

Well, profiles is a grey area

then I was actually checking with people and getting a birds eye view of anything that didn't need me to react.

Say meta posts

;p

bwDraco

How do I learn this?

I've been told I lack a sense of nuance... how would my inability to flexibly word things like this hurt me?

In an actual mod situation, what would be the potential impact?

I can't seem to word things in a "stern but soft" manner.

I'm hoping to learn something today.

Journeyman Geek

moderation is 90% soft skills

bwDraco

So... no way to build this within the confines of chat?

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

Well

bwDraco

Suggestions?

user226528

...and soft skills are achieved through moderation in all things

Journeyman Geek

naw

bwDraco

Why "naw" instead of "no"?

Journeyman Geek

I was (for unrelated reasons) a RO first ;p

(amusingly due to my habit of leaving my PC on all night, and logged in)

@bwDraco why not?

bwDraco

8:09 AM

...well, this might be the biggest issue. "No" has a harder impact than something less formal, and my being a stickler for accuracy and formality is (apparently) harmful.

Is this learnable?

user226528

How often do moderate people get moderators?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco see, the worst thing a person running a community can do is take themselves too seriously

the needs of the community, sure...

bwDraco

I often can't find the words to get the message across while not being too impactful.

...hmm. I think I have an idea.

Journeyman Geek

let me tell you about a guy I once knew. Used to run a huge community site for a small community. Thought he was hot shit. Was rude to new users...

bwDraco

You role-play as a dog. Maybe, just maybe, if I decided to role-play more myself...

Journeyman Geek

8:11 AM

Ended up driving a lot of core users away and its kind of a ghost town these days. Well, then he died.

@bwDraco well, that came on its own. I blame @allquixotic ;p

Its a useful mod tool, but entirely useless for most practical things.

bwDraco

That could change the dynamics on how I participate, which might help the social experience.

@JourneymanGeek Continue?

Journeyman Geek

see, you're taking a little fun too seriously

I don't see any other mods use the same techniques, and they can be just as effective

bwDraco

Well, I've kinda grown out of my most critical issues, and the behaviors that caused disruption in the past have mostly been addressed.

Issues like, demanding excessive attention.

(well, not completely fixed, but checked more closely)

Journeyman Geek

and the core is really "defuse issues, be mindful of other users, don't be an arse, and handle problems with minimal fuss and massive firepower"

bwDraco

> minimal fuss and massive firepower

Again...

4 mins ago, by bwDraco

I often can't find the words to get the message across while not being too impactful.

Journeyman Geek

8:15 AM

practically, I need to do this more.

Well, you often don't need to engage

!!therethere

ChatBot John Cavil

bwDraco

I don't quite get your point.

Journeyman Geek

this works sometimes. Sometimes you just pick up the problem, and leave it somewhere where it can't hurt itself.

@bwDraco lets say, hypothetically, someone we know's a troll is here

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

@JourneymanGeek Look at the meta post of D.Hutchinson. :(

Journeyman Geek

I could raise a massive fuss.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

8:16 AM

He said something about me.

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.1.1 handled, more or less

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

I can't even look. :(

So embarrassing.

I can't handle looking at Robert Cartaino ♦. (Huge fan.)

Journeyman Geek

hah, lol

YOU POSTED THAT

so, -0-0- deal with it.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I kinda see these from a bit of a different viewpoint - instead of just feeding the troll, we should understand why the user wants attention.

Henry WH Hack v2.1.1

OK.

bwDraco

8:18 AM

My approach is to find the root cause and address it to the extent possible.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco ehh, or just realise they arn't worth spending time on, and focusing on the people who actually engage construtively

bwDraco

I might bring the user in question to a private discussion and try to understand what's going on and hopefully help.

Perhaps this could turn an unproductive user into a valuable contributor.

Journeyman Geek

well, eh

quite often, they need to take the first step

not everyone is say, skippy

bwDraco

I tend to see trolls as having some kind of unmet need underpinning the behavior.

Journeyman Geek

(user who went from a 20 year suspension to a productive user and a mod. )

@bwDraco I'm not their babysitter.

I quite literally have better, more fun things to do with my time

bwDraco

8:21 AM

Eventually, you do want to give up, but it's something worth trying at least once.

Journeyman Geek

ehhh

bwDraco

I think there is a fundamental issue, no matter what my intentions are, and it's just a lack of real-world social experience.

Journeyman Geek

I think an important lesson is picking your battles

bwDraco

I'm the sort of person who's willing to spend the time to do things one-on-one. But then again, my schedule is mostly empty, which is not the case for 95%+ of people...

I think... there are more useful ways to spend the time. If I really wanted to be a mod, I should be in the field socializing with others and building critical social soft skills, not sitting in front of the computer all day.

Journeyman Geek

I learnt a lot sitting in front of a computer all day ;p

bwDraco

8:28 AM

A lot of this comes down to talent. I happen to be on the autism spectrum, putting me at a natural disadvantage.

So, what can I do differently here to pick up social skills?

Journeyman Geek

well, realise there's no formula

as I've said so many times

bwDraco

The key here is, what am I missing?

Perhaps it's because I'm not participating enough?

Journeyman Geek

hm well, to a certain extent, you go through cycles of overthinking

bwDraco

Perhaps because I wasn't forced into a position of authority like you were in the first place (i.e. a missed opportunity rather than something that was my fault)?

Journeyman Geek

Don't forget, someone like say @allquixotic or others often do a good job at dealing with stuff I'm not around to handle without me needing to do it

and lol... forced?

bwDraco

8:31 AM

Well, kinda.

Journeyman Geek

I stood for election, and expected to come in second or something ;p

bwDraco

You had opportunities I never really had.

Journeyman Geek

Heck, I'm sitting in the same chair I was when I typed out my halfassed election stump ;p

bwDraco

You were a mod on a major (IIRC BattleTech) forum?

Journeyman Geek

well one like it anyway! They all look the same

oh, LOTB? Bunch of guys in West Virginia.

bwDraco

8:32 AM

How did you wind up there in the first place?

Journeyman Geek

I admit, I learnt a lot from fokker07 and that lot

errrr

friend of mine ended up there and dragged a bunch of singaporeans...

I have no idea what actually is the secret sauce that makes people online trust me ;p

(I didn't even have a dog then!)

bwDraco

Well, my early days here involved a lot of talk with @DMA57361, one of our old mods.

DMA57361, United Kingdom

16.2k 6 54 92

windows-7 microsoft-excel windows windows-xp microsoft-excel-2007 microsoft-word worksheet-function

I learned much about the basic community moderation tools like close votes and stuff from him.

Bob

floof

Journeyman Geek

well, that, and say flags are mostly mechanics

you're fitting the best fit to a problem

bwDraco

So, in the end... I still have issues to sort out myself, including a lack of social skills arising from a lack of productive interaction with others, partly due to a lack of desire to chat with others.

Journeyman Geek

8:36 AM

with actual people, you're trying to fit a square peg into a nth dimentional hole.

well, if you don't feel like chatting, don't

bwDraco

I guess I just need to get over my perfectionism and chat more!

Journeyman Geek

I might go "hey guys, I need to take a break - I'll be back in N days, don't panic"

bwDraco

This is part of the reason I don't have a full-time job - because I've lacked the initiative and desire to interact with others and take action on my own.

Bob

auspost has gotten pretty quick recently o.O

two things shipped yesterday morning got here today

bwDraco

I guess it starts with being more willing to take initiative.

Journeyman Geek

8:38 AM

@bwDraco I'm unemployed at the moment

bwDraco

You know what? I think I might bring this up with my career counselor.

Learning to take initiative and become a self-starter.

Journeyman Geek

doing some courses, following some leads...

the trick to being a self starter is to just get out and do it

bwDraco

That is why you're successful.

It's going beyond wanting to achieve something, it's about taking action.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I also make funny a lot. ;p

lol

I just happen to have some responsibility and some power, in a small corner of the internet ;p

I wouldn't call it a success

bwDraco

Well, and my arrogance is a problem.

You just reminded me that I need to be humble.

(though increasingly stringent checks against arrogant behavior IRL seem to be helping)

Journeyman Geek

8:42 AM

hah.

Michael Frank

8:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek Wow... everything got erased and I missed it! D:

Journeyman Geek

er, yeah

Michael Frank

So I guess it just spiralled a bunch?

Journeyman Geek

It wasn't productive?

bwDraco

So... initiative is key. I'll see what I can do about it tomorrow.

Nighty-night. It's 4 AM here.

Burgi

9:15 AM

i'm having weird issues with local DNS

Journeyman Geek

have you tried turning it off and on again?

not .dev tho?

not .dev

whats happenin?

9:33 AM

i have an old entry to example.local pointing to 127.0.0.1 in my hosts file. I ping from the cmd prompt and it returns as expected. I added newsite.local to the hosts file and try ping and it can't find the host

tried rebooting, tried flushing my dns cache

little bit stumped

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino scontent.fmaa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/…

Burgi

heh

Bob

@Burgi exat exactly did you add? the whole line

and what exactly does ping say when you try?

djsmiley2k

if you nslookup it, what do you get

Burgi

@djsmiley2k nslookup doesn't use the hosts file

Bob

9:48 AM

was just about to say that :P

djsmiley2k

i'm interested in what it says

Burgi

oh wait....

djsmiley2k

just wondering something and was being lazy in testing it myself

and appently my start button doesn'#t wokr anyway

Burgi

think i've spotted it

!!facepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

djsmiley2k

9:50 AM

lol

!!doublefacepalm

!!triplefacepalm

me and bob right now

xD

Bob

!!quadfacepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

9:51 AM

@Bob That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Bob

aww :P

Journeyman Geek

MOAR FACEPALMS

user226528

!!quadruplefaceplam

ChatBot John Cavil

@FleetCommand That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: quadruplefacepalm

Burgi

oh the ironing is delicious

djsmiley2k

10:01 AM

nom nom iron

Burgi

!!tell 42306797 quadruplefacepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

djsmiley2k

lol

user226528

10:24 AM

Hey, guys. Does anyone here has intimate familiarity with Termux?

user226528

A buddy of mine wants to know if it has recently leaped into popularity.

Burgi

10:48 AM

never heard of it

Journeyman Geek

11:10 AM

ditto

Bob

whatsatermux

Burgi

11:25 AM

fracking apple tvs...

djsmiley2k

12:07 PM

@Burgi wooo

user226528

12:48 PM

Hey, guys. Does anyone know how to read 8-inch floppy disks with a modern computer?

user226528

I do have a corresponding drive.

user226528

And it does have a seemingly compatible IDE cable.

djsmiley2k

P_ hn[ =#98NM~(

user226528

But apparently, connecting the IDE cable to an IDE outlet on the motherboard does nothing.

Burgi

@djsmiley2k child/cat/drunkface -like typing detected

djsmiley2k

12:52 PM

2.1 indeed

Burgi

@FleetCommand what OS are you trying to use?

user226528

Windows XP

user226528

But I am not restricted to it.

Burgi

you might need to go older

user226528

I can use whatever Windows or Linux that is compatible with this modern system/

Burgi

12:53 PM

MSDOS...

user226528

I can.

user226528

I used MS-DOS 5 when I was a kid.

Burgi

have you checked the pin output on the IDE cable?

user226528

Yes.

Burgi

and it is identical?

user226528

12:55 PM

As far as my eyes are telling me, yes?

Burgi

i meant the technical pin out

1 = Ground, etc

does XP install the drive?

user226528

No.

user226528

I also tried Windows 7.

user226528

No

user226528

AFAIK, the BIOS is responsible for identifying it.

Burgi

12:56 PM

Win95 or DOS

djsmiley2k

is there even a IDE port installed?

Burgi

8" floppies are pre-90's i think

user226528

@djsmiley2k lol. Yes. I assure you I am not that dumb.

Burgi

does the drive actually work?

user226528

In its own broken computer, yes.

user226528

12:58 PM

Attached to the modern computer, no.

Burgi

try a physical win95 box

have you got the drivers?

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