Root Access

12:00 AM

@Mokubai Can't really agree with this. Roccat drivers are generally excellent. The firmware can be a bit buggy at times, though.

Bob

Needing to push a config at all sounds weird...

Ramhound

Who on earth would provide text that says "call the helpdesk to report a system outage"?

Bob

@Ramhound ...that's fairly standard.

DavidPostill

@Ramhound It was in response to "Phone system is down... Makes calling people difficult! D:"

What happened to the bot? He hasn't restarted himself :/

Bob

!!info

Michael Frank

12:13 AM

b7

Bob

@DavidPostill Do you just sit there waiting for the bot restart? :P

@allquixotic was fiddling with PJS the other day

DavidPostill

@Bob He's my alarm clock - when he restarts I know I should be thinking about sleep ;)

And on that note - bye for now and see you all later ...

bwDraco

Just when were talking about mechanical keyboards... anandtech.com/show/9987/…

The keyboard seems to be so fast that it's throwing off AnandTech's measurement equipment.

Alright, have to get back to work soon.

Jan 24 at 8:00, by bwDraco

Cherry's RealKey technology aims to avoid this by literally measuring the signal from the key switch with an analog readout, avoiding the debounce delay.

Bob

@DavidPostill 'night

Journeyman Geek

blah

saw a job posting that seems perfect

other than a bolded "fluent in mandarin"

Which I'd add, is illegal to do here I suspect

Bob

12:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob IIRC since companies kept doing that, they made it illegal to insist people know a specific language

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That makes no sense.

What if you're hiring for a translator position?

Journeyman Geek

hm

@Bob tech support position

I'd suspect they'd give it a pass there

I'm not applying there, but its one of those thing...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek What if you're expected to support Mandarin-speaking customers?

I highly doubt it's as simple as "no, you can't ask for someone speaking a specific language"

Journeyman Geek

ahh

tafep.sg/job-advertisements

that's the exact rules

so, I guess not, since they want to support chinese customers

Michael Frank

12:28 AM

Those aren't rules, they're more like guidelines...

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank the tripartite thing is complicated.

Its basically "The stuff the unions, employers, and government agree on"

Bob

Let's try this fancy new-chat stuff.

Journeyman Geek

Only that the main union is essentially part of the government

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek It does say to avoid preferring specific languages without specifying why.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

which they have.

So, Its totally legal

and to the letter of the rules

and I shouldn't be grumpy at em

Michael Frank

12:34 AM

Eh, job hunting is a pain, I'd be grumpy if I found a great job only to miss out cause of the language I speak.

nc4pk

I keep getting the unicorn on github, hm

Michael Frank

Oooh, new chat is fancy.

Journeyman Geek

@nc4pk yeah. its having issues

@MichaelFrank if they'd have image upload, I may switch to it totally

Bob

12:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm gonna have to (fix|wait for oliver to fix) the keyboard reply first :P

Journeyman Geek

(since I often have chat as a 'sidebar')

Journeyman Geek

1:04 AM

github is down

(No idea if that's worth pinning so... I'll not)

Michael Frank

lol I love that App Server Availability chart. :P

nc4pk

it'd be back up as soon as you pinned it anyway @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Hopefully

Bob

1:17 AM

Should I pin it then? :P

Michael Frank

You could single handedly save GitHub if you do...

Anonymous

I hear the world's continous integration systems failing

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz such as mine >_<

@Bob got my Jetpack (finally) and the nano to micro SIM adapter; works

gonna have to either put the sim back in my iphone for tomorrow or get by with my Volt

Anonymous

@allquixotic maybe we should invent a distributed version control system--- oh wait

allquixotic

@PatoSáinz "distributed"

Anonymous

1:32 AM

@allquixotic hehe

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic obligatory rant on single points of failure

Bob

@allquixotic ...Jetpack?

Oh, I can't remember - how did the Volt do with BT?

Journeyman Geek

verizonwireless.com/internet-devices/jetpack-mifi-6620l

something like that

Having Github problems? Why not try Sourceforge? https://t.co/r0o4ePT2i2

Tweeted by SwiftOnSecurity on January 28, 2016 at 1:31 AM

qasdfdsaq

2:09 AM

allquixotic

@Bob small sample size but it never dropped

@JourneymanGeek nah, got the next gen one

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic close enough. I can't smell your hardware from here ;p

qasdfdsaq

I'm not sure if this is some sort of british media in-joke but every picture I see of Trump on UK news pages has him looking like a complete doofus

Michael Frank

@qasdfdsaq He's just trying to appeal to his target market!

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq most pictures of him look like that

qasdfdsaq

2:21 AM

@MichaelFrank ... The U.S. public?

Journeyman Geek

I mean, he's managed to piss off both the concervative and liberal media

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Thing is, I can't imagine how anyone in their right mind could comprehend voting for a politician who looks like that all the time

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq neither can I.

qasdfdsaq

I mean I voted for the Monster Raving Loony Party once, but as a joke

But this guy seems to be one of the most popular serious candidates...

!!trump

Journeyman Geek

I'm pondering going back to beardyness.

I used to have it for ~~lazyness~~ practical reasons but I had to shave for the army thing and I've been maintaining it that way

feels wierd tho

nc4pk

2:32 AM

oh boy Circuit City is coming back

slashgear.com/…

Bob

@allquixotic Is it worth further testing? :P

allquixotic

2:56 AM

@Bob meh ;p

Journeyman Geek

Github seems to be back up

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, status site says 'recovering'.

A spam question living for 2 hours?

-3

Q: Has anybody here ever successfully downloaded from http://apveening.a61.nl

...without ending up with viruses, trojans, or other horrors? I've found a few links to repair Mozilla Thunderbird at this link but I get hug warnings when I click on the link suggesting it isn't safe. I even found a link posted on superuser.com.

mbox

Journeyman Geek

dosen't feel like regular spam

nuked the question, will keep an eye on the user

Michael Frank

Also, what's up with the "I agree with RAMHOUND..." option? o.O

qasdfdsaq

Someone agrees with Ramhound? Clearly spam.

Michael Frank

3:09 AM

lol

It was an option I could choose when VTCing as off-topic.

Journeyman Geek

custom close reason

qasdfdsaq

LMAO

He's now so full of himself he's added agreeing with himself as a close reason?

Journeyman Geek

naw

I think davidgo did

Michael Frank

gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/…

> 26Aug2010: Added functionality to send screenshot directly to a default printer.

Now that seems like the beginning of a devious prank.

Bob

3:33 AM

Wonderful. SO is down too.

qasdfdsaq

Works for me

Bob

Yea, was a brief interruption.

Their error page just points to itself if you refresh, though.

Bob

5:20 AM

8

Q: How can I tell if I have bad cats?

No, not that cat! Catalytic converters - or "cats" - have a nasty habit of failing with age. What are the symptoms associated with a cat that's gone bad? Are there any tests that could definitively confirm that a cat has gone bad?

exhaust catalytic-converter diagnostics

Journeyman Geek

5:56 AM

is there any other sort? ;p

qasdfdsaq

Yes

Journeyman Geek

engadget.com/2016/01/27/oracle-java-plug-in-death and every single out of band management system breaks.

tereško

sounds like there will be a lot of employment in updating ancient software

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I don't know of any that actually use the plugin.

Dell/DRAC has used a Java webstart app for a while, but that'll still work.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hm. We used to use really old crap at my last job so...

qasdfdsaq

6:06 AM

All my out-of-band management cards use web-start apps that run outside the browser

Even the cheap stuff on my Asrock board

Bob

I've never dealt with HP/iLO but I imagine it's similar.

Journeyman Geek

unless I'm misremembering

qasdfdsaq

Worst comes to worst, run an XP VM with an old browser and old version of Java

BMCs aren't really a security risk anyway

Bob

lolno :P

Just grab a portable copy of Firefox. Maybe the last ESR.

Looks like there's portable packages of Chromium too.

Someone will probably release a portable build with the plugin built-in.

Java doesn't actually require installation.

qasdfdsaq

>.<

Bob

6:18 AM

That looks like an excellent gravatar candidate.

Journeyman Geek

bwDraco

1

A: How large is the average delay from key-presses

any latency from key presses can be attributed to the debounce routine (i usually use 30ms to be safe) and not to the processing algorithms themselves (unless you are only evaluating the first press).

Bob

6:35 AM

@OliverSalzburg has to be said: your coding style feels weird -_-

Bob

7:30 AM

@OliverSalzburg There, pull requests added :P

Psycogeek

7:59 AM

@Bob Just smell it, Bad cats have a stinkey exhaust

If your not into smelling cats exhaust , get the dog to do it, NFB (nose follows butt)

The Big problem with cats going bad in cars , comes from people trying to take the cat out of the car, and for real cats the problem is trying to put them in the car.

One of the worst cats for a car is the vette (costs too much), one of the worst cars for the cat is going to the vet.

The reasons that the cats go bad is the computer sencors do not really work that well, and the bad gas, with the real cats they have no sence, even with bad gas.

Cats for cars are not really easy to replace, and they come in cardboard boxes at the store, cats though are really easy to replace, they come in cardboad boxes at the store (with a free kittens sign).

. . . and go home in your car

Oliver Salzburg

8:25 AM

@Bob You opened them against your own repo :(

I made you a collaborator, feel free to push into my repo and let me know when to build a release

Bob

@OliverSalzburg ...whoops

I just did everything via the web interface -_-

Never used that workflow before

@OliverSalzburg As for pushing... How much do you care about style? :P

I should probably test on Chrome too... bleh

Oliver Salzburg

8:48 AM

@Bob As long as you use double-quotes and tabs, we're fine ;D I just press my magic "Reformat everything" key combo afterwards

Bob

@OliverSalzburg I use single quotes and spaces :P

Though just the quotes is easy enough.

Your spacing around parens confuses and scares me :P

Oliver Salzburg

Well, tabs for indent, space for alignment

Yes, I'm a rebel

Bob

I usually just hit the tab key and let the editor use whichever

Oliver Salzburg

And I forced the style onto the whole team. Yay for me :D

Bob

Though I prefer spaces

Oliver Salzburg

8:51 AM

Alright, got a nasty bug to fix. Apparently FairManager only treats de_DE as German and falls back to en_US if the user sends Accept-Language: de :(

Bob

VSCode matches existing, but I did that one entirely within FF scratchpad :D

s/a rebel/evil/

Oliver Salzburg

WebStorm is the IDE of choice here, which provides the automatic formatting according to my meticulously engineered style definition ;P

Journeyman Geek

i.imgur.com/FoHtxc8.png got this in my mailbox today. Cute, they had my actual domain name, and address harvested from whois

Oliver Salzburg

9:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek I get those as well :)

Bob

@OliverSalzburg You know what makes me really confused? You were already using spaces in that file...

Oliver Salzburg

This bug is really confusing. If I send Accept-Language: de, en_US, should the server send me any de_* it has available before it would send me en_US? Or should it got straight to en_US if it has that?

Bob

shrug I'll keep it consistent and keep using spaces :D

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Hmm, then it wasn't adjusted yet

Yeah, consistent is always good

Bob

@OliverSalzburg All merged.

@OliverSalzburg tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-5.3.5

Try setting the quality values :P

   Note that some recipients treat the order in which language tags are
   listed as an indication of descending priority, particularly for tags
   that are assigned equal quality values (no value is the same as q=1).
   However, this behavior cannot be relied upon.  For consistency and to
   maximize interoperability, many user agents assign each language tag
   a unique quality value while also listing them in order of decreasing
   quality.

Oliver Salzburg

9:23 AM

@Bob Well, if I was in control, there wouldn't be a problem. We offer two languages: de_DE and en_US. If a user sends Accept-Language: de, en-US, they get en_US and are very confused. Then I tell them to open their browser settings and go to the content controls, then edit their accepted languages and make sure to add de_DE above en_US. And then I realize that I lost them when I told them to open their browser settings

We already have a fallback mechanism that would add fallbacks into the mix. So if the user sends Accept-Language: de-CH, they get de_DE instead. But if they send de-CH, en-US, they get en_US, because that is a more specific match to what they accept and what we offer

So I think it's more accurate how we do it now, but it's just confusing users most of the time

I guess, if nothing matches, we should allow someone who accepts de-CH to fall back to de-DE if nothing else matches. But if someone prefers de, then we should serve any de-* before resorting to other languages

Fucking i18n...

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Assuming you didn't custom-write the language-detection, why not see if the quality values work, first?

Then it might be as simple as assigning quality values in listed order before it reaches your app server.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Well, I'm a contributor to the module that does the language detection and I maintain the fallback mechanism in my own fork

And the quality levels aren't always there and they wouldn't really have an impact on the mechanism as it currently stands

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Yea, I'm saying if it works then you can add the quality levels.

e.g. via a reverse proxy

Oliver Salzburg

9:40 AM

The quality levels are apparently already taken into account

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Hm? So does de;q=1, en_US;q=0.5 work as expected, and give you German?

If it does... then in whatever request preprocessing step you have (before language detection) just add the quality values in listed order, if they aren't already there :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob No. The quality levels only affect the order in which languages are checked. The outcome is identical, because en_US is still a more specific match

Bob

Ah...

Oliver Salzburg

10:06 AM

github.com/mashpie/i18n-node/commit/…

Let's see if that works

Oliver Salzburg

10:24 AM

Yay, it works

One issue off the list :P

qasdfdsaq

1:00 PM

@Dave Lol I did that myself once.

qasdfdsaq

1:30 PM

Argh. Work recently has felt like a marathon of whackamole with a LART

Bob

Did you get a high score?

DavidPostill

lol

For those who don't know what whackamole is ;)

HackToHell

1:57 PM

holy shit

Wind Games 2016 - Best Performance ever

►

That Brazilian Guy

@DavidPostill A whackamole is some Spanish food with avocados.

Journeyman Geek

Prepared with a hammer

That Brazilian Guy

And mole meat

DavidPostill

@ThatBrazilianGuy lol.

Journeyman Geek

actually no

most moles don't contain moles

or a mole of moles

Nor are any ingredients measured in moles

That Brazilian Guy

2:05 PM

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Actually moles do contain moles.

qasdfdsaq

LOL. The highest grossing PC game. WTF.

DavidPostill

Mole (unit)

The mole is a unit of measurement for amount of substance. It is defined as the amount of any chemical substance that contains as many elementary entities, e.g., atoms, molecules, ions, electrons, or photons, as there are atoms in 12 grams of pure carbon-12 (12C), the isotope of carbon with relative atomic mass 12 by definition. This number is expressed by the Avogadro constant, which has a value of 7023602214129000000♠6.02214129(27)×1023. In other words, the mole is the name given to an amount of a substance equal in mass (in grams) to the combined mass (in amu) of the atoms of the constituent...

qasdfdsaq

The 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 7th I've not even heard of.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill sure they do

DavidPostill

2:12 PM

"What would happen if you were to gather a mole (unit of measurement) of moles (the small furry critter) in one place?"

what-if.xkcd.com/4

qasdfdsaq

@HackToHell Holy shit indeed

> … if anyone asks, I did not tell you it was ok to do math like this.

Rahul Basu

For some reason, here in India they tell us that a mole is 6.023×(10^23) not 6.022×(10^23) :/

Journeyman Geek

._.

One does not vary Avogadoro's constant

4

qasdfdsaq

@RahulBasu That's not even a rounding error, that's just plain wrong

Rahul Basu

Maybe the book misprinted it and the teachers blindly followed... :|

qasdfdsaq

2:23 PM

Then the teachers should have known better

Rahul Basu

Agreed...

Journeyman Geek

Sounds like india

@qasdfdsaq One does not question The Book

Rahul Basu

haha

lol

what-if.xkcd.com/141

qasdfdsaq

@RahulBasu Well it's true.

DavidPostill

Actually moles do contain moles (especially when they are female and pregnant) ;)

Rahul Basu

2:30 PM

Ohh... I just confirmed, its just the teacher who teaches us, the other sections were taught the right thing. :/

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill That's like saying people contain people. Yes, technically maybe, but not in normal use of language. We call them fetuses.

We tend to say "X's baby" or "X's foetus" does Y not "The person inside X does Y"

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq moles also contain moles of various elements and compounds....

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek You'd be hard pressed to actually know how many moles of anything a mole contains though. Plus not relevant to being pregnant.

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq Where is your sense of humour today? Did you miss the ;)?

qasdfdsaq

1 hour ago, by qasdfdsaq

Argh. Work recently has felt like a marathon of whackamole with a LART

^^ That's where my sense of humor went

DavidPostill

2:42 PM

I hope you get it back soon ...

That Brazilian Guy

I JUST WROTE MY 1ST WORDPRESS PLUGIN... AND IT WORKS!!!!!

DavidPostill

Congrats!

Journeyman Geek

Just applied for this google.com/about/careers/search#!t=jo&jid=149475001&;

Crossing fingers

3

Rahul Basu

Best of luck!

That Brazilian Guy

@DavidPostill 79 lines of code that I ~~copypasted~~ adapted from a similar plugin

Journeyman Geek

2:47 PM

@RahulBasu tbh, I consider getting an interview the hard part

After that, I at least have a limited ability to steer my course.

Rahul Basu

Ah...

Journeyman Geek

(though with the last proper set of interviews, I aced the interviews, and they ended up not flling the role)

qasdfdsaq

New dell tablet:

> Weight: 73.0Kg (1.61lbs)

Journeyman Geek

that's a little heavy

73 kg, does that come with a pallet jack?

Rahul Basu

haha

qasdfdsaq

2:49 PM

Either they meant Dg or they put the dot in the wrong place

Rahul Basu

Dg?

is that even a thing?

Journeyman Geek

Decagrams?

Rahul Basu

mabey decigrams?

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Yep

@RahulBasu Nope

Rahul Basu

oh

qasdfdsaq

2:50 PM

1.61lbs = 0.73Kg

I was a bit shocked at the 73Kg.

Rahul Basu

@qasdfdsaq I think they just messed up the dot

qasdfdsaq

I prefer Decagrams, because nobody ever uses it

Journeyman Geek

lol

Rahul Basu

haha

Journeyman Geek

Also, when I get a new job, I need to look at getting a new laptop

qasdfdsaq

2:51 PM

And because it doesn't require moving the dot.

Journeyman Geek

And handing down my x220 to dad

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Don't

I always buy a new laptop when I get a new job. And always regret it.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq >_>

@qasdfdsaq I've never actually regretted that many of my hardware purchases

and I said look at

Rahul Basu

@JourneymanGeek Surface Book??

Journeyman Geek

@RahulBasu My current main squeeze is the razer blade stealth

qasdfdsaq

2:52 PM

I usually don't regret it till several months/years later but it always ends up along the lines of "Boy, that was a stupid laptop to buy :-/"

Rahul Basu

@JourneymanGeek yeah... I remember that you once told me that you'd be looking into a razer...

qasdfdsaq

"Why didn't you make a sensible choice based on need rather than "WOOHOO I HAVE MONEY" "OOH SHINY""

4

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I have a rough idea on my needs

and I rarely make large impulse purcases

and I might be able to use challenger membership points to offset a big chunk of the cost

qasdfdsaq

I think I have some challenger points somewhere. And got a year's unwanted membership.

But I'd have to get a job in Singapore first before I can justify buying a laptop there.

Journeyman Geek

;p

qasdfdsaq

2:56 PM

Or at least get paid for sex or something, just to offset at least half the price of the flights.

Would you believe people still make state-of-the-art high-end laptops in 2016 that look like that?

Journeyman Geek

hm

Its a dell

Tho, some of their newer stuff seems less fugly

qasdfdsaq

Some of their stuff looks completely non-fugly, and even bordering on nice

But the nice looking ones don't come with GPUs -_-

Journeyman Geek

Which is an advantage I have ;p

I don't need a discrete GPU on my laptop

qasdfdsaq

What, seeming less fugly?

>_>

I don't need one either. An integrated Iris Pro would be fine.

Journeyman Geek

(or rediculous battery life, since I have a netbook for that, and that's on its own 5 year cycle)

qasdfdsaq

3:00 PM

Anything but a 5w ULV iGPU

Journeyman Geek

Well, its vaguely my mom's loaner now

qasdfdsaq

Netbooks still exist?

Journeyman Geek

yup

My stream 11 is pretty much a netbook

largish screen compared to an oldschool netbook, less space (since it has no HDD).

But its a netbook

qasdfdsaq

Interesting

I'd been looking for something like that, but with a Core i processor.

Journeyman Geek

Amusingly, if it has a less shit screen....

Can't really get that sort of lightness on a core i

qasdfdsaq

3:03 PM

The Skylake Core M's do look a bit improved too

Journeyman Geek

yup

but... A bright blue laptop covered in geeky stickers.

May work in some companies, may not in others.

qasdfdsaq

Thing is a Core i7 6600U, with a configurable TDP-down of 7.5w isn't a whole lot more challenging than a 5-6w Core M, which you can cool at max turbo even in a 10" tablet

@JourneymanGeek Lol, the colours put me off those laptops before I even looked at the specs

Journeyman Geek

Oh, the dell and lenovo versions are black

the steam was available

qasdfdsaq

(And frankly the Core M and i7 both turbo to the same speed - 3.1-3.2Ghz)

Journeyman Geek

and its kind of my throw in a bag netbook

qasdfdsaq

3:05 PM

What I do like, though not sure if it's intentional, is I can overclock the TDP on i7 6600U's

(Or underclock it, to save power)

Journeyman Geek

oh

and 32gb. Enough for a netbook

qasdfdsaq

Rather than using the primitive clockspeed only controls, I can set it to 20w for 30 seconds and 5w for anytime longer, for example

Journeyman Geek

but not much if you get clutters

qasdfdsaq

Clutters? Meh.

A bit of web and listening to music. I have an SSD or three anyway.

And err... 250GB MicroSD cards and what not

Problem with Windows' clockspeed controls is they can't handle runaway applications very well. There's no burst control. Manual TDP control is far better.

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

qasdfdsaq

3:07 PM

Ooh ooh OOOOH

The new Sony Vaio Flip's have 28w Iris graphics

Journeyman Geek

but I'd expect my main laptop to do anything I do on my desktop but gaming

qasdfdsaq

I've been desperately looking for a machine with 28w Iris graphics since Broadwell announced them and they never came out - outside of Macbook Pro's

I want my main laptop to do everything I do on my desktop including gaming.

But only light gaming. Mostly to feed my MMO obsession.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I also want to get a nicer audio setup

DavidPostill

Hmm

1

Q: Computer starts smoking when plugged into power

I was trying to power on a Dell Dimension 8200 . I plugged it in to an outlet and pressed the power(outlet , that is) . Immediately there was a large BANG! and the computer started smoking . What could be the problem ? This computer is from 2002 and hasn't been used since 2010 .

boot

qasdfdsaq

Gremlins.

> Even more exciting is Intel's top of the line GT3e integrated HD 550 graphics. Our benchmarks show it performs as well as the NVIDIA 940M and it matches the scores of the Surface Book with dedicated GPU.

Yup. I'll take it!

@JourneymanGeek On the laptop or at home?

@JourneymanGeek The Surface Pro 4 did it!

> If your workload runs heavy and you find most low voltage laptops can't keep up, but you don't want to move up to heavier and larger 15" laptops like the Dell XPS 15 and 15" Retina MacBook Pro, this and the likely upcoming refreshed 13" MacBook Pro are your best bets. That is, if you can afford it.

This is EXACTLY ME

Journeyman Geek

3:19 PM

@qasdfdsaq at home, in general

(Nicer sound card - maybe an odac2+ , maybe nicer speakers as I've been planning for years)

though the logitechs are amusingly competant for how cheap they are

qasdfdsaq

3:37 PM

WTF

Vaio put a 47w quad-core CPU with Iris Pro graphics in a 12" tablet

And full size Ethernet, HDMI, and USB 3 ports.

How have I not known about this...