Root Access

Simon Sheehan

12:11 AM

Do you guys feel this was a good answer to the question?

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A: Is it okay to send someone to a different forum to get an answer?

Sometimes I really wonder why people bring questions here that are very specific to a certain application. That's basically the entire point of Super User - we solve problems for all computer Software and Hardware. Redirecting them to another forum is what we do NOT want you to do - we ar...

Tom Wijsman

12:25 AM

Belgium has been 541 days without government until today where they finally form one. :)

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman why the avatar change?

Tom Wijsman

@SimonSheehan I get bored when an avatar has been the same for too long...

Simon Sheehan

Ah okay. Just surprises me when I've only ever seen the old one :p

Tom Wijsman

So it's now showing my laptop. He got a promotion because he does not crash on me anymore!

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman I quoted you into that post, thanks.

Tom Wijsman

12:31 AM

@SimonSheehan Hey hey! I've been around here enough... :P

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman Haha, good point :p

Tom Wijsman

3,162 of my 6,139 actions are revisions; I feel like an editing addict.

Simon Sheehan

@TomWijsman 1012 of 1671 for me :p

Tom Wijsman

The users screen reports 2588 though, I wonder what else it counts as revisions.

Simon Sheehan

Revisions to your own posts I think

Tom Wijsman

12:35 AM

That would make sense...

Journeyman Geek

gah

lol

@TomWijsman: my condolences

something on my desk is clicking but i can't tell what

Simon Sheehan

Hm, apparently I've had 2 edit suggestions rejected... but I can't find them. Heh

Tom Wijsman

@JourneymanGeek What do you mean? Did you accidentally do something to me? I haven't noticed...

Journeyman Geek

i mean to the government thing ;p

this means they can actually pass laws

Tom Wijsman

Ah, yeah...

Journeyman Geek

12:39 AM

though the EU has had an unexpected rash of good sense when it comes to IT related things. The french excluded

Daniel Beck

5:36 AM

What would I need to do to get the peer pressure bronze badge?

Posting offensive content will get flagged as such and be deleted.

Posting stupid questions will get them deleted.

Posting stupid answers will get them up voted and/or deleted.

Also, in the case of answers, someone might act on them.

surfasb

@DanielBeck: Just get lucky.

Daniel Beck

@surfasb If past performance is an indication, I'll never get that one ;)

@surfasb Approved your tag wiki edit.

surfasb

@DanielBeck: I'd post a sarcastic answer. A right, but sarcastic. Maybe that will work?

Or just a wrong answer. Say like "Micro$oft sux. Get Linux and have no problems!"

Daniel Beck

@surfasb I've had moderate success with comments in that area. At least someone flagged it. Could be wort a try.

surfasb

You need downvotes

So something that is not correct sounds like the way to go.

Or just game the system and ask for volunteers.

Humm, I wonder if I have any -3 answers. .

Daniel Beck

5:49 AM

@surfasb "Please down vote this question. It's free. Thanks!"?

surfasb

Woot, I had a -7 answer

What a failure

Daniel Beck

@surfasb Had?

surfasb

Yeah, deleted just now.

But no badge?

Oh well.

I want the copy editor one

30 posts so far.

I gotta gather the motivation and boredom to do 50 more. . .

Daniel Beck

@surfasb It takes a while.

surfasb

And it is boring.

I 'd rather do code reviews

Daniel Beck

5:56 AM

@surfasb No, the badge being awarded for something you've just done. Wait a few minutes.

surfasb

@DanielBeck Yeah, I figured it will take a while.

Journeyman Geek

6:16 AM

it normally does

Journeyman Geek

9:55 AM

superuser.com/questions/365120/my-asus-1005ha-wont-turn-on his capslock also appears to be stuck as well

Journeyman Geek

11:41 AM

this looks useful onethingwell.org/post/13781805873/glances

tombull89

BWAHAHA. Someone didn't like my answer.

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Q: You can accept your own answer tomorrow

i answered my own question. Why can’t I accept it now?

DMA57361

6:14 PM

evenin' all

Daniel Beck

7:04 PM

@tombull89 Rectified now :-)

tombull89

@DanielBeck Yeah, quite heavily, too :P

William Hilsum

8:00 PM

hi all!

nhinkle

hey @WilliamHilsum

DMA57361

hi @WilliamHilsum & @nhinkle

how're you two?

Daniel Beck

Hi @WilliamHilsum

William Hilsum

tired :( you?

DMA57361

@WilliamHilsum bored, mostly

essay = D:

Daniel Beck

8:06 PM

Aaand another Meta topic!

I expect to be punished for spamming that site any time now...

nhinkle

@DanielBeck looks like a good suggestion to me.

Daniel Beck

@nhinkle Thanks.

nhinkle

I see some approved edits that just make me shake my head and wonder whyyyy

Daniel Beck

@nhinkle Aaaaand there's another user complaining in chat about suggest edit approval!

nhinkle

See? So you were right!

studiohack

8:29 PM

yo guys

nah, you won't get punished @DanielBeck - if anything you should get a meta badge :)

Daniel Beck

@studiohack I'm all for that. Still, it'd be great if all those topics were read by someone who could actually act on them. Or at least leave an official reply.

studiohack

@DanielBeck yeah

Daniel Beck

Do you diamonds have an idea why there's almost never any official response? Do they have higher standards regarding vote count coming from MSO, or are all these Metas just too much to handle?

I mean, topics like this one? No action? Really?

> We don’t run Super User. You do. Super User is collaboratively built and maintained by your fellow users. Once the system learns to trust you, you’ll be able to edit anything, much like Wikipedia.

Turns out this isn't actually true :-/

nhinkle

8:49 PM

I wish I knew @DanielBeck. I proposed a new status tag status-lalalala-what-feature-request tag once. It was never implemented.

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@DanielBeck I'm looking into it (the FAQ issue specifically). Talking with some folks right now.

@DanielBeck so that specifically will have to be modified by changing the actual site code, but it's been put on the official todo list now.

Daniel Beck

@nhinkle I posted another topic on the FAQ text a while ago. Should probably look at that too, while they're at it.

This one.

There is some discussion, but it's more about the underlying policy than my suggestion AFAICT.

nhinkle

@DanielBeck I feel like that one didn't have the same sort of consensus from the community as a whole and the mod team. There is a possibility (being discussed) of allowing us (mods) to edit the FAQ directly in the future, so we can revisit that later.

Also, the distinction is less clear between "software recommendation" and "I need to do X, how can I do it?" which is essentially asking "What software does X?", which is kind of what the site is about.

Daniel Beck

9:07 PM

@nhinkle I don't like the whole thing. But if Diago's statements are the official diamond opinion, it's just not right to not have it in there.

Also, while the answers are similar in most cases, you are more flexible with the How do I do X approach.

nhinkle

@DanielBeck I would say to bring it up for further discussion if you want (edit the post, add an answer with more ideas, what have you), but it's a trivial modification to the FAQ about something that there isn't much consensus on. I don't personally think it needs to be modified, and given the lack of consensus, I don't want to go advocate for it being changed right now.

Daniel Beck

@nhinkle Sure. Didn't know how the team handles your requests, if they'd just do without looking into it any further, this makes no sense.

nhinkle

@DanielBeck it's fairly informal and chaotic, unfortunately. If there are any other feature requests you think need more attention, let us know and we'll bring it up with the SE folks. Thanks for pointing this out.

Daniel Beck

Not sure about my MSO topics. I can't see the votes there.

William Hilsum

10:01 PM

@DanielBeck linky?

Simon Sheehan

@studiohack That full list of moderators post is almost at 100 upvotes, haha

studiohack

@SimonSheehan just had to brag, didn't you? :P

Simon Sheehan

@studiohack Couldn't resist :P

studiohack

@SimonSheehan :)

nhinkle

@DanielBeck does this look good to you?

Simon Sheehan

10:06 PM

Doing a little work before I go back to school.. Although I'll probably come onto chat there

nhinkle

(and does anyone else have input? @studiohack @SimonSheehan @WilliamHilsum anyone else around)

studiohack

FAQ's been changed - it looks good @nhinkle

Simon Sheehan

@nhinkle Looks good and clean to me.

William Hilsum

sorry - bit lazy... is that changes you have made / what am I meant to be looking at!

Simon Sheehan

@WilliamHilsum "Personal/home networking"

nhinkle

10:08 PM

The "questions about" business - added home networking, and added to "not about" corporate networking

compare to current FAQ

William Hilsum

I like professional it support! I have asked a couple here... I don't see the harm if someone wants to ask here, then, if it is to specialised/hard, transfer over to serverfault or other...

Rebecca Chernoff

p.s. the change came from:

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A: Update the FAQ to specifically allow home networking questions

Good idea, but the wording in the question contains a double negative — "not about ... electronic devices except for home networking equipment" — which is a bit awkward. My wording proposal: Super User is for computer enthusiasts and power users. If you have a question about … ...

Tom Wijsman

@nhinkle: or instead of a / is another option to make it more consistent in the text; it's none-the-less a perfect addition. :)

William Hilsum

@RebeccaChernoff hello!...

Rebecca Chernoff

hi (:

William Hilsum

10:11 PM

ahhh... weird smilies! need the mirror! :) | (:

nhinkle

Tom Wijsman

Nevermind. Just kidding...

William Hilsum

Well, honestly... I like professional IT support... and I have asked a few here that I wouldn't consider personal - e.g. superuser.com/questions/251128/… and superuser.com/questions/39291/… - the second could be on serverfault, but, the first... I don't think so... If this is just an FAQ and not rules/close all instantly... I'll be happy

nhinkle

Do you guys think it would be better to say "questions specific to corporate IT support"? that would eliminate the / as @TomWijsman points out and I think would be more accurate, since if somebody's corporate desktop fails they can still ask about harddrive recovery here

Simon Sheehan

@nhinkle Yeah, i think that would be good since @WilliamHilsum made a valid point

nhinkle

10:15 PM

just look at all this healthy community decision making! :D

Tom Wijsman

If you mean just "corporate IT support", yeah

William Hilsum

but... where would they go - Serverfault, imho, is about servers/infrastructure... which can overlap in SU... but... if people had a really hard/tricky question about configuring Windows desktop for something such as as bitlocker, App-V, MDOP e.t.c. (basically, the more enterprise-y stuff), there wouldn't be anywhere to ask them, and, I personally would welcome questions like that here :/

well, at least, that is how I feel on them... feel free to correct me/disagree! I have stood down on other points when people convince me!

(sorry... very tired, trying not to be confrontational... hopefully you get what I am saying!)

nhinkle

We're not really changing the scope of the site. Just trying to make the FAQ more clear. By adding "home networking" to the "questions about" section, we want to clarify that "how do I set up a massive server farm for yahoo" or "how do I configure 100 computers on active directory" aren't really in our scope

Rebecca Chernoff

someone poke me when y'all have a consensus (;

nhinkle

Will do. Thanks for the help @RebeccaChernoff

@WilliamHilsum alright! @Wil will be paying us now once we reach 60k

William Hilsum

10:18 PM

FAQ should read, everyone with over 60k rep will get £1 per rep point!... consensus reached! :)

sorry... i screwed up that edit! as I said... very tired! lol

nhinkle

now I have a reply to a message that came after I wrote the reply... augh!

Tom Wijsman

William Hilsum

@nhinkle LOL.... I wish I had the money to be able to pay!

@TomWijsman Didn't know serverfault added computers/enterprise stuff :/ .... well... I still think the questions are good here!

nhinkle

so... is everyone ok with "personal and home networking" being added at the top, and "problems specific to corporate IT support" being added to the bottom? Any objections?

William Hilsum

damn it... this is the ONLY thing I like about quora! Why can't we have one big site and just separate by tags or something e.g. would make this a hell of a lot easier!

nhinkle

10:21 PM

@WilliamHilsum I could lecture at length on that, but will spare myself.

Tom Wijsman

I think the main gist is that you are missing domain-specific experts with that kind of system.

nhinkle

To check once again, no objections to what I just said, before I send it off to rebecca? @studiohack @SimonSheehan @WilliamHilsum @TomWijsman?

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman well... SO has proven the concept works with facebook.stackoverflow.com or whatever it is... no reason imho they couldn't merge all SU/SF questions together and separate by tags.... windows-7 on one, windows-2008 on other e.t.c.

but... i know it's less than perfect.

nhinkle

OK. I'm assuming your silence means it's OK and I can give the final changes to Rebecca.

William Hilsum

@nhinkle I feel really bad for saying this, but, since I started my new job, I really don't feel like a part of this site any more... just don't have the time :( ... As long as I don't get penalised if/when I answer any of them if they are here and don't get closed - I am happy

Tom Wijsman

10:24 PM

@nhinkle Ah, wakes up... Yes, I have no problem with that and it looks like a nice addition to the FAQ.

William Hilsum

^^ that's it for me! ^^

Tom Wijsman

Makes me wonder though if there are other kinds of questions that mostly get closed and aren't listed in that part of the FAQ.

nhinkle

@Wil you're one of our most experienced and veteran users, so I still appreciate your input, regardless of how much time you've had to contribute in the past month or so out of the years you've been here.

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum I feel the same with the work for school these days... :(

2 - 3 big tasks every week, ugh.

Some tags aren't big by themselves, but it has to be done in some non-feasible software which you need to spent quite some time on to get it working.

Today I had to use gnuplot... :D

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman woah

nhinkle

10:29 PM

OK @RebeccaChernoff, we're ready. Thanks again for the help. :)

Tom Wijsman

Spent half a day on modelling a system and figuring out a system, figuring out how to get my data in the right format and plot it, then producing images like that and writing a report about it.

nhinkle

Rebecca Chernoff

am I making a change to the change?

k

nhinkle

@RebeccaChernoff see most recent image for what we decided on

Rebecca Chernoff

that was what my "k" was for (;

nhinkle

10:30 PM

Ah, OK. Just checking :)

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman More interesting than my day! Tried pricing/specing up a new AV system for the office! learning a lot about the AV industry... and how much of a rip off it is :/

Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum Using simple operations like + - / and delay elements to implement integrator and derivative components which I then put in a bigger model, then those elements give results that should be near 1. When plotting it in polar mode you can then confirm the accuracy of the used time step, when it is a spiral there is something wrong and when it is a circle it is pretty accurate.

Rebecca Chernoff

should be the same...double check me?

I'm just actually changing the code and reloading my local instance, not mucking around in a browser's dev tools (;

nhinkle

looks good to me @RebeccaChernoff

@RebeccaChernoff I figured that was what you were doing :P

Tom Wijsman

double confirmation @RebeccaChernoff

nhinkle

10:34 PM

of course, I was mucking around in my browser's dev tools

Rebecca Chernoff

hehe

not saying it's a bad thing...but gotta hit the code at some point (;

nhinkle

Of course. Hey, if you guys send me a copy of the codebase I can preview changes there too! ;)

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Tom Wijsman

@WilliamHilsum My teacher coins it as the circle test but I can't find anything about it, he also says it's based on the following which also mentions nothing about it.

Harmonic oscillator

In classical mechanics, a harmonic oscillator is a system that, when displaced from its equilibrium position, experiences a restoring force, F, proportional to the displacement, x: : \vec F = -k \vec x \, where k is a positive constant. If F is the only force acting on the system, the system is called a simple harmonic oscillator, and it undergoes simple harmonic motion: sinusoidal oscillations about the equilibrium point, with a constant amplitude and a constant frequency (which does not depend on the amplitude). If a frictional force (damping) proportional to the velocity is also...

Rebecca Chernoff

@nhinkle nice try q:

nhinkle

@RebeccaChernoff always worth a shot, right?

Tom Wijsman

10:36 PM

But well, it could be done so much faster if we could use better software.

Or be more guided, or had less a strict thing to deliver...

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman what course are you doing!?

Tom Wijsman

I'm totally interested in implementing an A&Q system where you can open an answer and ask questions about it...

@WilliamHilsum Modelling software-intensive systems. A Software Engineering course...

William Hilsum

lol

Rebecca Chernoff

@TomWijsman ):

William Hilsum

@TomWijsman that wikipedia page looks complicated! For software Engineering :/ ... ok... My computer course barely touched computers and was mainly database theory and project management, so... looks like your one isn't much better then!

Anyway... so so tired! ... I'm going to take the dogs out and have an early night... bye everyone!

Tom Wijsman

10:43 PM

@WilliamHilsum Next thing I have to involves tranforming a production system model into a petri net model, allows one to do mathematical analysis of a software system in advance to implementing it.

Petri net

A Petri net (also known as a place/transition net or P/T net) is one of several mathematical modeling languages for the description of distributed systems. A Petri net is a directed bipartite graph, in which the nodes represent transitions (i.e. events that may occur, signified by bars) and places (i.e. conditions, signified by circles). The directed arcs describe which places are pre- and/or postconditions for which transitions (signified by arrows). Some sourcesCarl Adam Petri and Wolfgang Reisig (2008) Petri net. Scholarpedia, 3(4):6477 [http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Petri_net] st...

@RebeccaChernoff: By the way, is there a reason https links don't work with one-boxing?

Or hasn't it been implementing yet, because when using HTTPS everywhere I have to correct the URL when posting here.

Or it could be for security reasons, although I can't make up any sense behind that...

Rebecca Chernoff

mm, search MSO, I'm pretty sure I've seen a post about it.

nhinkle

@TomWijsman that's more a question for @Balpha... I think it was more a "haven't gotten around to it yet" sort of thing than a "not possible or practical" sort of thing.

Tom Wijsman

Will do, I'll probably get annoyed by that sooner or later that I have to search/suggest it.

Thanks for the reference on the reviewing question, @nhinkle.

nhinkle

No problem @Tom

Tom Wijsman

Okay, I'll try to ping him when I see him so he can put it on a todo list. I see how a simple replace is insufficient and a regular expression is required to make sure only text in the beginning is replaced...

Ivo Flipse

11:20 PM

@DanielBeck My problem with Meta is that there's no way to end or resolve a discussion. Yes, we discuss things, but there's no poll/election process where we can declare victory. This has frustrated me to no end on Discuss.Area51, Fitness.SE and MSU. I do feel Meta works reasonably well on some sites, but only if there's a true critical mass of people agreeing and simply starting to be the chance they want to be

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Simon Sheehan

11:52 PM

At school right now, evening everyone.

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman that sounds like an idea that could be in a bit of jeopardy if it doesn't work ;p

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