Root Access

Josh

19:04

Wow 139 posts while I was gone

Sathya

:6331 good response today

JNK

we talked about you josh

JNK

obviously...

Josh

:6333 LOL, I'll bet -- only bad things, I'm sure :-)

JNK

but it was all through private messages so its not in history

Josh

19:08

I toy with the idea that the chats should have PMs :-)

Metropolis

Hey everyone....this is my first time trying chat.superuser......What types of things do people talk about on super user? anything?

Josh

:6345 Welcome!

Metropolis

Thanks Josh!

Josh

There's a room to talk about everything Mac related:

chat.superuser.com/rooms/10/mac-os

Metropolis

thought i would see what this is all about

Sathya

19:11

:6345 Hello Metropolis

JNK

@Metropolis - We talk about the superuser site normally

JNK

but this is new

Josh

As you can see, you can "onebox" chat rooms

Metropolis

How "new" is this?

JNK

so whatever YOU talk about is what we talk about currently

JNK

19:11

since chat just started today

JNK

there was a beta/meta before

Metropolis

wow

Josh

You can also onebox questions, answers, images, xkcd images, wikipedia pages and youtube videos

Metropolis

crazy i just looked it up today also lol

Sathya

in Vote to Close on Super User Chat, Sep 16 at 15:13, by Sathya

@KronoS also, any images, youtube videos, Stackexchange questions/answers/profiles will be automagically transformed

Josh

19:12

You can talk at people by saying @Metropolis (or whatever their username is -- it will autocomplete)

Metropolis

@josh sweet

Metropolis

im very familiar with stackoverflow

Metropolis

just now started branching out

Josh

:6350 You can also reply to individual posts by clocking the reply icon on them. This is such a reply, hover over it and the replied message will darken.

If you want to play around, the place to do that is:

chat.superuser.com/rooms/6/sandbox

Metropolis

:6368 sweet

Josh

19:13

And of course ask us for help/tips/cookies/etc!

@Sathya gives out the cookies...

Metropolis

well there is one thing i was going to see if any of you could answer

Metropolis

are any of you familiar with opera mail?

JNK

you may want to post an actual question on the site

Metropolis

ah

Metropolis

@JNK ok....so what questions can I ask in here? lol

JNK

19:15

I think the chat is more of a meta thing

JNK

and/or discussion

JNK

since we dont post discussions on the actual site

Metropolis

@JNK isnt that why there is meta.superuser

JNK

if you had an open-ended/argumentative/subjective question

JNK

this is the place

Sathya

19:16

:6374 eh heheh

Josh

:6380 I also think this would be a great place for questions that require more interactivity

JNK

i.e. "Whats the best browser?"

Josh

like "This isn't working and I don't know why", where a lot of back and forth is necessary

JNK

@Metropolis that is why there is meta SU, but its faster here

Metropolis

ok i have an open ended question

Josh

19:16

:6380 I also find asking a question on SOFU first and then posting the link to the question in chat is a helpful way to get a discussion going.

Metropolis

I am a PHP Applications Developer. I have been using FF forever, but I have always taken a look at using Opera. What are your opinions on Opera for web development?

Metropolis

It has a ton of nice featuers

Sathya

ok that notification sound is ANNOYING

Josh

Personally, I can't live without FireBug

:6396 DO NOT WANT!

Metropolis

@josh thats what i always thought also....But if you check out Operas built in dev tools, its almost exactly like firebug

Metropolis

19:19

if not better

Sathya

:6398 I just un-muted the system volume >.< turns off notification sound

Josh

:6399 I should check them out. How's the JS debugger?

Metropolis

Awesome also.....

Metropolis

it feals exactly like FB

KronoS

:6396 ya any way of gettting rid of the sound?

Sathya

19:20

:6405 click on the speaker icon

Metropolis

And i know exactly what you mean.....I have always LOVED the JS Debugger in FF

Sathya

next to all rooms links

KronoS

oh man I'm blind

Metropolis

The one program I am missing though is LastPass

Metropolis

I love that addon

Sathya

19:26

@JNK you're a d/b person right

JNK

@Sathya I am

JNK

I'm not a pro yet but I'm pretty good

Sathya

:6414 which DBMS ?

JNK

@Sathya SQL Server 2008

JNK

we have some bigass databases

Sathya

19:28

:6416 ah. how big ?

JNK

@Sathya I think the biggest is around 14 TB

KronoS

:6419 holy crap that huge? what are they for?

JNK

@KronoS We do recovery auditing, so it's financial/pos/very detailed info, sometimes images too, for very very very very large companies

Sathya

:6419 wow.

JNK

the 14 TB is for a very well known very large international retail company

KronoS

19:30

that's pretty sick

JNK

i dont work on that account

Sathya

:6419 what kind of database transactions are done ?

JNK

@Sathya In the development side a ton of updates/inserts (we put in new data monthly), and a lot of new tables are generated for reports, and tons of indexing

JNK

then in production all they do is query

JNK

so we index the hell out of them

JNK

19:32

ive only been here like 3 months

JNK

and my whole concept of scale has changed

JNK

@Sathya how about you and your DBs?

JNK

what rdbms?

KronoS

I think this might need to be migrated to server fault:

http://superuser.com/questions/189516/kicked-from-windows-2003-server-and-need-to-reboot

Josh

:6434 I concur

JNK

19:40

+1

DMA57361

+1 here as well

JNK

voted

Marc Gravell

superuser.com/questions/189516/…

(needs to be on own line to get special treatment)

KronoS

@MarcGravell Thanks

JNK

one more vote!

Sathya

19:45

:6432 i've been on Oracle

for almost 3 years now.

JNK

Never used it

JNK

heard good things though

Sathya

I haven't worked on big databases

I'm handling live data now

JNK

its all relative

JNK

til this summer I thought 10 gb was big

JNK

19:47

now i process 50gb flat files

JNK

(text files)

Sathya

and here in production we have everything

inserts, updates, deletes, queries

JNK

yeah thats harder

JNK

we are basically a data warehouse

Sathya

we also have interdatabase transfers

JNK

19:48

we have some of that too

JNK

there will be 10-15 DBs per client sometimes

Sathya

Oracle <-> MS SQL

JNK

oh ouch

JNK

inter RDBMS you mean :)

Sathya

whatta pain.

:6465 hehe yeah.

JNK

19:49

MSSQL is hard enough on its own

Chealion

Whoa. I think this is the busiest I've ever seen SU chat.

Sathya

to make things complicated, Oracle is on 64-bit and MS SQL is 32-bit

JNK

@Chealion don't jinx it

Sathya

and I ran into this

0

Q: Fetching data from MS SQL Server 2008 to Oracle via ODBC: Getting ORA-28545: error diagnosed by Net8 error

Background: I am fetching data from a database on SQL Server 2008 (SQLA ) over to Oracle (ORCLA) . The data is pulled using a database link, via HS ODBC connection. Both the SQL and Oracle databases were 32-bit editions. Now, we moved the Oracle database onto faster 64-bit servers(ORCLB), the 3...

Chealion

@JNK Oops.

JNK

19:51

bbiab, meeting time

Sathya

damn @Chealion you jinxed it :P

DMA57361

lol

Chealion

Ha ha ha.

Oh dear. The iPhone 4 isn't necessarily the best for using for screenshots; apple.stackexchange.com/questions/1613/…

Josh

Hey there @Joel!

KronoS

@Chealion I want that paper! Where did you get that?

Chealion

20:01

@KronoS It's the first result on a google search for "inurl:.pdf"

mathstat.uottawa.ca/~rsmith/Zombies.pdf

Marc Gravell

:6470 well, you have the advantage of no longer being limited to the people who frequent MSO

Chealion

@MarcGravell That is true.

Sathya

:6489 plus the big huge notification is there

although I've already removed it for me thanks to @tomWij

KronoS

20:17

Hey I'm curious, does anyone here get samples of PC hardware (harddrives, motherboards, memory, video cards, etc) from companies to test? Is that something that I can do by just calling or is it pretty much a who you know type of thing?

Sathya

:6496 you can't get it by just calling

Marc Gravell

Hey, I could test my phone's bluetooth/car hookup; dear BMW, please supply 1 car to...

2

Sathya

:6498 heh

Josh

:6498 Have a star :-)

KronoS

:6497 OK, but how to people like tom's hardware get samples and stuff like that.

Sathya

20:19

:6501 they get review samples

Wil

Hi all!

Sathya

Hello @Wil

Josh

Hey @Wil!

DMA57361

:6503 Hey Wil

KronoS

:6503 hey man!

Sathya

20:20

:6501 to get the samples, well you gotta have a name :)

Wil

@Kronos just read your comment above... I get samples...

Sathya

win some local OC'ing contest

:6509 do let us know how

KronoS

@Wil Thanks for the help on my pc! How do you get samples?

Wil

through my company, not a lot, or anything good... but usually just manufacturing samples for testing... and most of the time you have to give them back after

Ivo Flipse

now we're lost, @wil is here

KronoS

20:22

lol i just accidently downloaded the finnish ie9

Wil

You just have to join the partner programs that manufacturers offer... nearly all distributors track who buys what and when you buy enough, you start to get a name for yourself then manufacturers start to send you stuff to test

KronoS

kinda makes things a bit difficult to understand when all you speak is english

Josh

:6515 HAHAHA.

At least it didn't change all of Windows

Wil

I can only guess that big companies have moles in them as the moment I start buying a lot from one company, a rival usually sends a sample out the blue to test!

@Ivo Flipse, what do you mean by that!?

Ivo Flipse

if you're here, you're not answering questions

KronoS

20:24

@Will and we're all rooting for you... at least me an Ivo

and that's all you need :)

Wil

LOL! I get a lot of free time at the moment :( bored silly so on Superuser most of the day!

Josh

:6526 Chat will solve your excess of free time! :-)

KronoS

Caht? that a new SU beta app?

Josh

duuurrr i can type... really

KronoS

;)

Ivo Flipse

20:25

anyway, see you lot tomorrow

Josh

:6530 A new LOLCAT

:6533 You leaving?

Wil

@Josh :)

Josh

have a good one!

KronoS

@IvoFlipse Peace!

Marc Gravell

about to install IE9 on my VM; wish me luck...

hmmm... maybe I should remember to snapshot the VM first

KronoS

20:27

See this guy gets tons of stuff for free... I'm pretty sure that he didn't start out with a huge name.

youtube.com/user/LinusTechTips.

Josh

:6540 Good luck and SNAPSHOT FIRST!!!

Wil

@KronoS start making reviews, and they will send you stuff eventually!

KronoS

Well I'm working on that... I just started up a blog... we'll see how it all works out

JNK

destroy!

DMA57361

:6554 hounds released

Wil

20:34

How do you add questions!?

Sathya

:6551 link?

JNK

wil: paste line on newline

JNK

it will read it automagically

JNK

same with answers

JNK

and wikipedia entries

JNK

20:35

and images too i think

Wil

test

cool

JNK

yeah its a nifty chat client

Wil

@jnk thanks

yeah... cool

Sathya

:6556 chat.superuser.com/transcript/message/5917

somebody star this for future reference

JNK

also if you type in your passwords, it knows you are @KronoS and changes your gravatar for you

Wil

20:36

I tried it when it was on stackoverflow, but i couldn't stay long - squigly brackets give me headaches!

now that it is on a topic I like, I think I am going to stay!

Marc Gravell

another victim.... mwahahahahah

Wil

Youtube videos? have to test that...

►

wooo! love this!

KronoS

note to self... don't insall a windows program when chatting.... The little bill gates mini me anticipates when you are about to hit the enter button and pops up with the "restart now" dialog box...

@Sathya howdoi-tech.blogspot.com This is what you were refering to right?

DMA57361

:6587 FYI Ivo's gone atm

Sathya

:6587 yep.

KronoS

20:41

Does the chat recognize blogs?

JNK

it might if you paste the whole url

KronoS

howdoi-tech.blogspot.com

Sathya

:6596 nope.

KronoS

sad day

JNK

@Wil - another cool feature: editing!

JNK

20:42

press up arrow to edit your last typed line

KronoS

That's sick

Sathya

I need to create a FAQ on this.

JNK

do it sathya

Marc Gravell

:6596 we need to limit it to things we can predict in advance; we don't want to have to run a HTTP fetch on every link people post "just in case"

we try to recognise a range of common urls, and we're open to suggestions if you think "x" should be handled

JNK

@MarcGravell - would it be possible to include 4 or 5 common blog domains

JNK

20:44

blogspot, wordpress, etc

Marc Gravell

possibly - it could certainly be considered

KronoS

@MarcGravell I think that would be a good thing, since I'm assuming some of us use blogs.

Marc Gravell

amazon.co.uk/Schleich-70432-Unicorn/dp/B0007OZ1GM/…

Wil

@jnk must have a time limit, doesn't let me edit :S

Marc Gravell

Waffle

A waffle is a batter- or dough-based cake cooked in a waffle iron patterned to give a distinctive and characteristic shape. There are many variations based on the type and shape of the iron and the recipe used. Other waffle-shaped foods exist, and are sometimes referred to as waffles because of their shape. Most are actually potato products. Waffles are eaten throughout the world, particularly in Belgium and the United States. Common toppings are strawberries, chocolate, sugar, honey, syrups, ice cream and more. Waffles can be desserts and breakfasts. Etymology Wafer and waffle shar...

Wil

20:45

cool, it let me edit that last one... guess there is just a time limit

Marc Gravell

2 minutes on edit, unless you have elevated access

Wil

@MarcGravell as someone who has been around a lot longer than me... WHAT IS IT WITH THE UICORNS!!!! I don't get it!

Marc Gravell

just a meme

Meme

A meme (, rhyming with "cream") is a postulated unit of cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. (The word is a blend of "gene" and the Greek word μιμητισμός () for "something imitated".) Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes, in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to selective pressures. The British scientist Richard Dawkins coined the word "meme" in The Selfish Gene (1976) as a concept for discussion of evolutionary principles...

Wil

lol, its ok, I get it

just wondered how it started!

Sathya

Relevant MSO link

85

Q: The Many Memes of Meta

The term "Internet Meme" is used to describe a catchphrase or concept that spreads quickly from person to person via the Internet (see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme_(Internet) for more details) Stack Overflow and now even more predominantly Meta Stack Overflow has seen more than its fair share of ...

discussion faq memes

Wil

20:47

I never really hung out on MSO, so never really knew...

cool, looking now - thanks

KronoS

IE9 looks pretty nice

Marc Gravell

44

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Ponies Origin: TheTXI Cultural Height: April 1st, 2009 Background: The pony meme began without fanfare early in TheTXI's time as a member of Stack Overflow. It's first recorded usages can be traced back to long running comment threads and arguments on both Stack Overflow and User Voice. ...

deizel

as nice as FF4?

Marc Gravell

Wooow! Rounded corners in IE! What's next? Being able to install a browser without rebooting? Meh, I guess that's asking too much.

Tweeted by balpha on September 16, 2010 at 11:41 AM

KronoS

I'm not a FF user really... more chrome

DMA57361

20:49

:6641 how stable / compatible with plugins is FF4? been eyeing it up for a while

deizel

@KronoS me too actually, i just like the tab spaces idea

@DMA57361 well im running the minefield version, but only adblock is working out of 20-odd extensions (ie. no Firebug)

Josh

Welcome back @Diago

DMA57361

:6647 minefield is the cutting edge dev release, IIRC?

deizel

@DMA57361 yup, nightlies basically, updates daily

Marc Gravell

meh, IE9 fail; no background images on SO login page

Diago

20:53

@Josh Thanks

Might not be here long

@MarcGravell It died in my VM. Couldn't even get it to launch :(

Josh

:6654 Good luck with that ;-)

Diago

:6656 I cant keep my eyes open much longer. Just testing that services on my server starts up after some modification.

:6656 FYI. My new toy. Rocks. Flies. and it stops short at making me coffee :(

Josh

:6661 LOL. I'm glad you like it :-)

I am very jealous

Diago

:6663 A few people are. Doesn't last long.

Josh

lol

KronoS

21:46

lame no one wants to talk anymore...

Josh

:6686 LOL. I'm normally more talkative, but trying to get work done and fighting a killer headache

KronoS

@Josh Ah it's ok, giving me time to actually get some homework done

@Josh Sry bout the headache man

BloodPhilia

Hi all :D

BloodPhilia

This is new!

BloodPhilia

Except no one is here to answer XD

emddudley

21:57

not all the message have timestamps

emddudley

they should

BloodPhilia

I think they're only added to messages that have a big enough time span between them

BloodPhilia

And I agree

emddudley

Seems like you're right... makes it hard to figure out what was said when though

Josh

:6689 Thanks :-)

BloodPhilia

21:58

Now this is weird

Josh

:6699 Check the full transcript for more detail

BloodPhilia

Why were our posts devided

Josh

:6694 I'm here, just preoccupied and not 100% at the moment

BloodPhilia

Oh that's ok

BloodPhilia

Hi Tom

BloodPhilia

22:00

And Mitja

BloodPhilia

Anyway, I'm off to bed, Nite nite everyone

TomWij

Goodnight. :-)

Josh

(Sorry I missed you @BloodPhilia)

TomWij

@Josh: I'm not leaving, that was meant for BloodPhilia... :-)

Josh

:6713 oh HAHA. :-)

I'm slowly loosing rational thought, time to lay down see if I can shake this hurt in my braaaain :-)

bbl :-)

digitxp

22:10

I gotta ask...is there anything out there that'll block the dumb Like Button crap on Facebook?

TomWij

Cya... :-)

Made a Windows counterpart room.

Sathya

Hmm seems I missed @BloodPhilia

TomWij

Also a Linux counterpart room.

Sathya

:6717 link to one ?

digitxp

@Sathya Oh yes please. I hate that stuff...worse than Farmville; you have to block the whole person instead of just an app.

Sathya

22:20

I meant I didn't quite get you, do you want to disable like on the facebook page or on third party "social graph whatever" page

this discussion should not be here @digitxp

deizel

i can't see them :)

Josh

:6724 I like the name of the linux room :-) More creative than my mac room <g>

digitxp

I gotta ask...is there anything out there that'll block the dumb Like Button crap on Facebook?

deizel

5

Q: Blocking facebook's Like button in firefox

Many sites today use widgets from facebook such as the Like button, list of friends who are fans of that site and so on. While it may be a nice feature, I perceive it to be a serious privacy intrusion, because facebook most likely stores information about which sites you visit. I also heard that...

firefox facebook privacy

Josh

Nice @deizel

digitxp

22:29

:6749 I meant the junk that results in the news feed.

Josh

:6751 You can hide posts from there...

Sathya

Can't find any place to hide likes

Josh

Maybe I'm wrong...

I probably should have napped longer lol

Sathya

:6752 I doubt that's possible

digitxp

i.e. this

:6752 You have to block the whole person because it's a part of facebook and not an app.

Josh

22:33

:6758 Yeah I think I'm mistaken

Sathya

:6757 ahhh that freaking junk

TomWij

:6738 Windows (chat.superuser.com/rooms/12/vienna) & Linux (chat.superuser.com/rooms/13/penguin)

@Sathya: In the past you could drag categories up and down with sliders, it's sad that they removed that system.

It was like: I like videos! Slide it up. Oh, I dislike pictures... Slide it down.

Josh

:6757 Sorry maybe I'm just completely out of it... where do you see those?

Sathya

:6762 ORLY ? didn't know

:6764 news feed

Josh

:6769 As in, home page?

TomWij

22:39

Oops, it's getting late. That was meant for digitxp. >_<

@Sathya: Yeah...

Josh

:6769 I don't have posts like that... I guess my friends just don't like anything, HAHAHA

TomWij

Josh

:6775 AH HA

Sathya

:6774 lucky you.

ugh

TomWij

@Sathya: You can filter that, that star is probably an application.

Sathya

22:42

:6780 Nope.

TomWij

@Sathya: Try hovering the message, at the right side there is a Remove link, does it say to remove the star there?

Meh... :-(

Sathya

:6782 ohyeah.

x.co

Josh

:6775 Their interface confuses me because it changes all the time. Where is that?

Sathya

its the person that I can hide, not the app.

:6788 that was the old privacy settings

TomWij

It's gone... :-(

They replaced it by an application and page filter thing at the bottom right of your feed.

Josh

22:43

:6790 Explains why I can't find it -- also explains why their interface confuses me so much :-)

TomWij

Which now shows me a pretty long lists of all quizzes I ignored over the months... (Glad those stopped. >_<)

Josh

I haven't used facebook since July, and even then I rarely used it, lol

TomWij

betterfacebook.net

That extension made me visit Facebook a lot less.

And see more at the same time... :-)

Sathya

goes to install

TomWij

The ability to mark a page of messages as read, that is.

First thing I disabled is the ability to mark a single thing as read, pretty useless. xD

But reading through the page and marking everything on that page as read is pretty handy, things only come back if there are new comments...

And you can then still click that you don't want it to become unread if there are new comments.

Sathya

22:47

ooo

betterfacebook is what @digitxp needs

deizel

@josh for your headache stereopsis.com/flux :)

TomWij

Before that, I ended up using the Top News feed but I was way too much there checking everything.

Sathya

TomWij

But now, I can handle the Recent News feed with ease. Read everything instead in less time...

Josh

:6807 that looks sweet, thanks :-)

Sathya

22:49

Josh

:6807 I don't know if our graphics team would approve though :-)

TomWij

You can indeed also move things to separate tabs, I'm doing that automatically for applications...

Haven't fine-tunedit it yet. (Haven't seen the need yet, except for artists.)

@deizel: For some reason, I don't like F.lux although I've tried it twice.

deizel

@josh heh, it has a "disable for one hour (for doing color-sensitive work)" button

TomWij

It just makes my screen more red... :-(

Josh

:6818 Did you set it to "house burning down" mode? :-/

TomWij

22:52

Does it have that? :D

deizel

@TomWij yeah i thought it was too red at first, but now i find the opposite.. it blinds me if i turn it off right now

Sathya

where's @random

I just spotted him closing a Q

TomWij

@deizel: I could increase the night temperature to have the effect less, might try it again later.

On my previous 1440x900 laptop it did not work fine.

But it might fine on this Full HD with better contrast.

Sathya

And there's @random

random

:6822 Was just trying to work out how to move messages from CQB to root access.

No idea at all

Sathya

22:55

:6829 you should have that access

The place where the permalinks et al are there - it used to be there @random

TomWij

@Sathya: No, not there.

Room -> Message admin

Select them as explained, click relocate, enter room id.

Sathya

TomWij

Yeah, there. :-)

Sathya

Hmm @TomWij beat me

thanks @random

random

Cool beans

deizel

22:59

TomWij

Hmm, I should check if Jing uses idle CPU, if not it might be handy to have it running the whole time as starting it up to show a picture makes me a lot slower.

deizel

ah, this explains why im being blinded -_-

Sathya

:6846 use my tool :P

although you don't get annotate option

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