Root Access

12:23 AM

Review post feedback and give them the votes they deserve. (from The Bridge)

12:39 AM

Anonymous: Facebook's going down on November 5, why do I have the feeling that it will only be offline for like an hour or so?

Journeyman Geek

1:18 AM

@TomWijsman : sigh damned attention whores

and thats what it really is about ;p

DMA57361

6:39 AM

morning all

Blog bot

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Posted by Robert Cartaino on August 9th, 2011

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William Hilsum

7:08 AM

Argh, when will they hire me!!! Mind you, not sure what I could actually do... but I am sure I would be good at whatever they want! :P

lol

hi Sathya, hi wiliam

Hi!

good afternoon

Hey Wiliam meta-stackoverlow I just saw this

It looks cool though, "meta means murder" actually googled it thinking it means somerthing...ha ha

well the message is gone now unfortunately

William Hilsum

7:28 AM

Don't take it personally if you get downvoted, it just means people disagree... Look at my profile there, I have plenty of downvoted suggestions!

Journeyman Geek

wonders what the clippy-rules!!! button is about

Sathya

hahha, just a tag @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

@munish: generally text is more efficient. IMO. I don't usually even use images in my answers >_>

Sathya

hi @munish

munish

Hi

But @journeyman, buddy see this also....the question is similar to mine ...i mean the same point but the presentation of the question is much better than me to get some positive votes

Journeyman Geek

7:35 AM

and the example he used

munish

I like his way of explanation

yes

Journeyman Geek

it makes more sense for 'physical' actions than, say for coding

munish

hmm...you are right but still think its applicable here also....may be opinions differ...nevermind :)

Sathya

7:55 AM

@munish sorry the 2 are not comparable.

munish

hmm..why?

Sathya

you're asking:

Stack Overflow - give me /allow others to create video tutorials.

> should Stack Overflow or other sites allow video tutorials?

the other question is about having features which allow for easy embedding of media. Like oneboxing of videos/previews.

slhck

gasp what happened to our starred messages?

Sathya

still there

slhck

heh, wait a sec

good ol' ctrl-r

tombull89

9:52 AM

\o/ 3k.

DMA57361

@tombull89 congrats, you get to join the closers :)

slhck

congrats @tombull89! :)

Sathya

10:13 AM

woo. Now, @tombull89 you will get flamed.

Y U CLOSED MY QUESTION YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD

slhck

lol

lol who upvoted this crap superuser.com/questions/55703/…

tombull89

12:08 PM

@DMA57361, @Sathya but I don't wanna clos...wait. AWESOME.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@tombull89: REVEL IN THE POWER!

KronoS

2:04 PM

Why is it that ddr2 is more expensive than ddr3?

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-293

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-294

100 dollar spread for older technology?! I don't get it.

William Hilsum

Something very annoying - trying to do my accounts in Excel 2010 running in a VM, for some reason, hitting enter skips two lines :/ Anyone know a quick answer as it is driving me mad!?

KronoS

@wil whoa that's weird.

Simon Sheehan

2:22 PM

@KronoS Thats some bizzare prices :S

William Hilsum

@KronoS Yeah :/

Ok, it is something wrong with VMWare Workstation, unity and excel... it doesn't happen out of unity mode

Simon Sheehan

I only just realized Boot camp is really a dual-boot...neat.

Makes me want a Mac more

Purchasing office 2010 for $10 now though..

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS: lower supply i suppose

@SimonSheehan: kind of. its dual boot + drivers + enabling windows xp to run off an efi partition

Simon Sheehan

Oh neat.

Wow, its Office 2010 Professional Plus

For $11.

Journeyman Geek

lol

from school?

Simon Sheehan

2:37 PM

Holy, thats really good price

Journeyman Geek

... its a steal ;p

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek My mom's work is giving it to all employees at that price :D

Journeyman Geek

i think i usually get H&S, and its something like 115 sgd (though, for 3 licences)

Simon Sheehan

Yeah, I had that one before, and payed like $100 for it D:

Journeyman Geek

i need to get a copy at some point ;p

Simon Sheehan

2:41 PM

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116858

Journeyman Geek

naw, i can get it cheaper, locally. waiting to see if my school has MSDNAA

ooh

nice ;p

Simon Sheehan

Haha, yeah, im happy.

@JourneymanGeek My school won't provide us with anything, but you can ask the teachers for certain things I think...

Sathya

@KronoS demand/supply conundrum

Journeyman Geek

one module mentions we need software off msdnaa. just need to check how to get an accound

also, we have almost no student-centered tech support. the campus has ONE it guy

Simon Sheehan

Ouch. We have one IT guy who drinks coffee all day

Sathya

2:48 PM

@SimonSheehan that.... sounds like me

Simon Sheehan

@Sathya Haha. But you'd help if we needed you ;)

Sathya

@SimonSheehan hahaha, true that

Journeyman Geek

lol

ours might be busy

Simon Sheehan

"might" being the key word :p

Journeyman Geek

but then again, the school's idea of secure wireless access, is wep, and the password on the notice board

the secret of looking busy, is to be almost never seen ;p

Simon Sheehan

2:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek Mine refuses to give us any wireless access. YOU MIGHT HACK US.

Journeyman Geek

@SimonSheehan: eh, in ours.. its cheaper than wired access ;p

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek It's like when I got booted off the network for using linux :(

Journeyman Geek

o0

see. mine just blocks anything ending with .com thats not a tld, and .exe

Simon Sheehan

Because downloading linux packages could infect the network D:

Journeyman Geek

other than that.. they don't really bother

Simon Sheehan

2:56 PM

doesn't sound too bad though

Journeyman Geek

eh, they mainly do business/management courses

so not likely they would need to worry so much

Simon Sheehan

Yeah, makes sense.

Journeyman Geek

and their admin is inefficent ;p

Simon Sheehan

Be right back, i require a reboot!

And I am now on 2010 stuff

Simon Sheehan

3:25 PM

@JourneymanGeek You should take over for the admin ;)

Simon Sheehan

4:02 PM

So after 2 years of not updating Windows...today is the day

And i'm praying it doesn't mess anything up

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum you around?

William Hilsum

just about

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum I have a few questions for ya... let me know when you're ready

William Hilsum

im just trying to fix the digitizer on my mums phone... not having much luck... but, yeah, ask away!

KronoS

so I'm looking to upgrade the swtiches at the office I'm managing... but didn't know what Jumbo Frames were..

found this:

Jumbo frame

In computer networking, jumbo frames are Ethernet frames with more than 1500 bytes of payload. Conventionally, jumbo frames can carry up to 9000 bytes of payload, but variations exist and some care must be taken when using the term. Many Gigabit Ethernet switches and Gigabit Ethernet network interface cards support jumbo frames, but all Fast Ethernet switches and Fast Ethernet network interface cards support only standard-sized frames. Most national research and education networks (such as Internet2/NLR, ESnet, GÉANT, and AARNet) support jumbo frames, but most commercial Internet service ...

but not exactly sure what it equates to...

William Hilsum

4:06 PM

basically... faster speeds under some circumstances as each packet can be larger

KronoS

what's the payload mean? and would jumbo frames really make a difference in a small office setting?

William Hilsum

I think that is about it... probably better off asking on SF though...

I highly doubt it unless they are very intensive network users

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum I was thinking about it... but not sure...

@WilliamHilsum they'll be using a sql server database that accesses thier med records... on site...

and also images as well

so maybe, but definately not like a major corporation

neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111449

neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111470

basically trying to decide between the two

William Hilsum

wow, personally, never heard of the brand...

give me about 10 minutes and I will have a proper compare between the two for you

Sathya

@KronoS sorry to pick on you but... d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com

(and there's newegg business? o_0 )

William Hilsum

4:16 PM

Bugger... reseated all internal connections - screen still not responding :( Can't do reset as it is all touchscreen (KC 910 - unless someone knows different)... Type to go phone hunting for a new one for her!!! Why is it always my responsibility!

KronoS

@Sathya lol sorry... that's what I get for typing fast

@Sathya yes

William Hilsum

wow... both are beasts of switches!

How many machines/servers do they have... please say a little more about the network

... I always find it easy to help others, but need reassurance when it is for myself, e.g. why I was asking similar questions yesterday!

barlop

hi

what happened with random and kcotreau?

the new guy that got like 15000 in 2 months!

Sathya

he got upset over few invalid flags.

barlop

what's an invalid flag?

like question too subjective that kind of thing?

Sathya

4:32 PM

no, when you flag a question Mods can deem it as valid or invalid

10

Q: Flagging a question for moderator review

Suppose I want to have someone with moderator abilities review a question. What would be the best way to flag this? Is there already some standard way to do this that I don't know about? Return to FAQ index

207

Q: What is flag weight?

Flag weight can be viewed in user profiles. What is flag weight? Who can view my flag weight? When can I view my own flag weight? What are the possible values of flag weight? Why is my flag weight not an integer? What are the benefits of a high flag weight? Return to FAQ index

support faq profile-page flag-weight

-14

Q: What is with these invalid flags?

Two of my recent flags were marked as invalid, but I have no idea why. The first one was a duplicate post, only 4 questions below, and was not only closed, but deleted. I flagged it as "Dual post, probably better on another site." Apparently, they agreed, but still invalid? The newer one was cle...

discussion flagging invalid

barlop

heh bloody hell 14 downvotes! looks interesting

Simon Sheehan

Did KCotreau leave or something?

slhck

hi guys

Simon Sheehan

heya @slhck, hows it going?

slhck

pretty fine, how 'bout you? @SimonSheehan

and yes, he did leave (see his profile)

KronoS

4:39 PM

@WilliamHilsum about 17 right now

will be adding about 8 more

Simon Sheehan

@slhck Good good, checking out the new MS office here... And its unfortunate he left

KronoS

I currently have 2 16 port switches that are full

slhck

heh, yeah you should have a thicker skin online

that's all I can say

Simon Sheehan

Indeed, I understand what your getting at

slhck

anybody else having trouble opening Gmail?

Simon Sheehan

4:43 PM

Ill check

slhck

oh no, seems to be local.. Chrome doesn't open, Safari does

Error 202 (net::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID): Unknown error.

Simon Sheehan

@slhck Yeah, works with Firefox

user30

> Warning: We believe that your account was recently accessed from: Turkey (78.191.248.18). Show details and preferences |Ignore

user30

Whoathere

user30

that was unexpected

slhck

4:45 PM

that doesn't sound good! @ThomasMcDonald

Simon Sheehan

Uh oh

user30

oh wait, 1 August. I might have been in Fuerteventura then.

slhck

oh well, Chrome restart fixed it @SimonSheehan :P

barlop

@Thomas what browser/webinterface/application?

Simon Sheehan

All my access are from Canada, thankfully

user30

4:47 PM

@barlop GMail

slhck

ah. bbl, groceries

user30

plus it was only Atom feed access

Simon Sheehan

cya later @slhck

user30

oh, don't have it on my other account that should have been accessed though

barlop

hmm, i'm a lookalike to one of the people here a particularly brilliant one, I won't say who. Shame I can't cause any trouble though.. if it was a business I might be able to walk to the manager's office and pick up a $200,000 annual cheque ;-)

KronoS

4:51 PM

logmein resuce doesn't support chrome and only firefox 3.6?

barlop

well, if it was a physical business, and if I was a bad guy!

doh different name

not anybody here in this chat don't worry!

slhck

5:09 PM

re

@barlop lol, and I thought.. because I'm the only one here with a personal avatar

William Hilsum

@KronoS Sorry, phone call after phone call and getting distracted...

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum it's all good... what do you think about logmein rescue?

employer is willing to pay for it

William Hilsum

right... Unless all computers are right next to each other, whilst what you are doing is good, you may want to look at having proper sockets in walls, then a comms cabinet that has patch panels, one per floor/section, and using less powerful switches... what you showed was great, but, personally, I think overkill for a small network

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum we're already using patch panels

William Hilsum

I have never used it... personally, I use a combination of Microsoft Management programs, and netsupport

KronoS

5:12 PM

what about them are overkill?

William Hilsum

they are bloody powerful! Personally, for a network with under 50 machines, I would go unmanaged...

look, if you had millions to spare and everything, I would get them without thinking twice, but, also... there is electricity costs and other things that you may not think about, and, they look like proper enterprise switches (core etc.) I mean... they have uplink ports on them!

I am sure they will work perfectly... but... for the amount of machines you have, so would a much cheaper solution

sorry... don't mean to sound so negative! I just hate seeing people spend money when a lesser solution would do the same - again - not saying they are not good, or will not work!

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum I don't think you're being negative... ultimately I'll decide, but I do value your professional opinion

@WilliamHilsum my only prob is that 24 is too few ports

William Hilsum

need a USA <> British version of this - shesnotfromyorkshire.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/… !!!

that is why I would get a few lesser powerful 8/16 port switches

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum that's what I already have... two 16 port ones

I'd rather just get a rack mountable one that can handle them all and be rid of the smaller ones that look tacky

slhck

@WilliamHilsum heh. I miss the "fair enough" though!

William Hilsum

5:19 PM

:)

@KronoS What ones do you already have?

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum something like this but older

neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156293

William Hilsum

You like that brand then!?

... I don't think they look bad at all, I would get another one of those... one second...

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum they've done me good... I didn't purchase them... they were already in place when I came on

DMA57361

@slhck :/ I'm sure that's possibly my 2nd most used phrase on here, after "indeed"

slhck

@DMA57361 I have to admit, that's one of the reasons why I mentioned it :D

DMA57361

5:23 PM

hehehe, I'm not entirely sure what the "non-British" translation is :P

William Hilsum

On the phone now, but @Kronos - williamhilsum.com/kronos.htm something like that should keep the network nice and fast

slhck

Well, for me personally it has a bit of a negative connotation, but that might just be stupid :P @DMA57361

Simon Sheehan

Well, back now!

William Hilsum

up to quite a big network, then, upgrade the core switch to one similar to what you posted (that is what they are meant for)... anyway, brb

Simon Sheehan

@slhck I was still scouting out the Macs today, did you see the new Mini's? store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini/…

MUCH more powerful from the last one

slhck

5:27 PM

@SimonSheehan Oh, looks nice! I always thought they were a bit expensive, but those look pretty decent

DMA57361

@slhck oh dear :/ it's not meant to be negative... oh well, cultural differences ftw!

Simon Sheehan

@slhck When I looked at them a month ago, they were still Core 2 Duo's. This is a BIG step up

you can get an i7 now!

slhck

@DMA57361 Oh, no, don't take offense, I know it's a completely personal thing!

Simon Sheehan

@slhck Actually it's a dual core i7. Slightly disappoint, but the i5 is still at a good price

DMA57361

@slhck hehe, no worries, it's just not one of those things I've bothered thinking about before :)

slhck

5:31 PM

@SimonSheehan Yep, also given that monitors are quite cheap these days

@DMA57361 Like you said, cultural differences :P

Simon Sheehan

@slhck Indeed. Then again, the base iMac comes with a monitor and 4GB RAM....Apple doesn't make your decisions easy :P. And then there's parents to convince!

slhck

heh

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum is that a separation of servers, and then workstations?

and my other question is that I currently have 10/100 switches but thought that upgrading to 10/100/1000 would be better

I just realized that the link I sent you was to a gigabit switch :) It's the same brand that I have, but slower in speed (mine is)

Simon Sheehan

windows IRC clients are slowly killing me - these x-chat ports sucks D:

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum this is a really good answer on what jumbo frames are and why/whynot to implement them:

13

A: Upgrading to Gigabit Network - Enabling Jumbo Frames

First, it might be best to explain what jumbo frame ethernet is. Ethernet is a layer 2 networking technology and its Protocol Data Unit (PDU) is a frame. For reference, an L3PDU (IP layer) is a packet, and an L4PDU (tcp/udp) is a segment. An ethernet frame (there are several types of ethernet ...

oh and it looks like Jeff made a post as well:

codinghorror.com/blog/2009/03/…

William Hilsum

5:46 PM

off the phone, sorry about that... so busy tonight, all of a sudden :/

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum no prob

William Hilsum

looks good... I learnt a few things! Thanks

@KronoS Yeah - basically using one switch as the uplink switch

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum so here's where I'm at... although there no need for the jumbo frames for the database access there is the issue of a imaging server that would be transfering data over the whole network

:/ not sure what to do honestly

the doctors have complained about the speed of the connection to the imaging server...

(though that has been off-site mainly and would be way more variables to consider)

brb

William Hilsum

yes - but... if every image is a few megs, do you really need to save one second :/

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum ur right... don't need jumbo frame

thought I may look into it for my home network :P

@WilliamHilsum so why would this one be overkill?

neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111470

William Hilsum

6:01 PM

For a start, actually after looking, I wouldn't get that one... To be honest, whilst a good price for what you are getting, I would seriously not consider getting anything less than GB equipment... It just feels like throwing money away... but I could be wrong

however, to be honest - yeah, good price for that many ports

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum that is gigabit

or am i reading it wrong?

William Hilsum

You may want to check/find out the max utilization for it as well - want to check it isn't something silly like 1x1GB for the whole switch... e.g. full (100Mb/200Mb full duplex)

KronoS

oh wait it's not!

good catch

William Hilsum

48 x 10/100Mbps Auto Negotiation, Auto-MDIX Fast Ethernet ports
2 x 10/100/1000Mbps Auto Negotiation, Auto MDIX Gigabit ports
2 x Mini GBIC ports for optional Mini-GBIC modules

brb, 10-20 minutes, have to pick brother up from the station

KronoS

@WilliamHilsum that's fine... still looking and researching

BloodPhilia

6:04 PM

Hi people :D Is it ok to install 64-bit Ubuntu instead of 32-bit? Anyone any experience?

KronoS

@BloodPhilia Uh... ya... I did it a while back... and didn't have probs...

why are you asking?

BloodPhilia

@KronoS Because 32-bit is recommended

just wondering why

Does flash and such work already?

Simon Sheehan

@BloodPhilia Do you have a 64bit processor?

BloodPhilia

And stable?

@SimonSheehan Yes Simon :P Of course I have

Simon Sheehan

If you have a 64bit processor, install 64bit. You can use i686 packages still.

It's just like running Windows x64

BloodPhilia

6:06 PM

@SimonSheehan Ye, but I heard rumours that 32 bit emu is shit on Ubuntu

Like Wine won't even run?

Just asking you guys for any experiences you have!

Simon Sheehan

@BloodPhilia I've never had a single issue with flash or WINE.

BloodPhilia

@SimonSheehan K thanks! Just going to try my luck at 64-bit then!

Simon Sheehan

Haha, okay! Good luck with it

BloodPhilia

But why does Canonical recommend 32 bit?

Is 64 bit driver support just as good as 32-bit?

Simon Sheehan

@BloodPhilia Where does it say that?

BloodPhilia

6:08 PM

@SimonSheehan On the download page

Simon Sheehan

let me look..

BloodPhilia

Simon Sheehan

Yeah it recommends it for me too, probably just does by default since the majority of Ubuntu users are end-users who run on x86.

BloodPhilia

@SimonSheehan there

KronoS

Hmmm there's this: neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122147 with 10% off @WilliamHilsum

Simon Sheehan

6:10 PM

either that or it detected your browser was x86 and then recommended it

KronoS

@BloodPhilia it's recommended for the idiots that don't know what they're doing and don't realize that 64bit requires a 64bit processor

2

BloodPhilia

@KronoS Lolololol

Simon Sheehan

Exactly.

BloodPhilia

Ah well, the 64-bit iso is @ 80% ;D

Simon Sheehan

Gonna try Outlook 2010..

BloodPhilia

6:11 PM

@SimonSheehan What for?

Simon Sheehan

@BloodPhilia I got it with Office 2010 pro, so i figured it may as well try it!

BloodPhilia

@SimonSheehan I used it for ages!

Simon Sheehan

@BloodPhilia Any good?

BloodPhilia

And it works quite nice, but I switched to Gmail

And I found webmail to be much more convenient

Well, it's a must if you use Exchange services/shared calendars etc.

Simon Sheehan

Well I could setup hotmail with exchange

KronoS

6:15 PM

Oooo and a $100 dollar rebate! @WilliamHilsum

brings it down to 386 for a full gb 48 port switch

Simon Sheehan

oo nice price.

BloodPhilia

I'm off for some lasagne! Thanks for the advice guys! :D

Simon Sheehan

Tasty, enjoy it!

@KronoS You buy this one? newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111449

KronoS

@SimonSheehan no I think I'm going to go with the one above

it comes out to be 386 with the rebate

and it's full 10/100/1000 switch for all ports

Simon Sheehan

@KronoS Link to it?

KronoS

6:20 PM

and does support jumbo frame, (which I won't use right away)

10 mins ago, by KronoS

Hmmm there's this: http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122147 with 10% off @WilliamHilsum

Simon Sheehan

Fancy

KronoS

and actually get 10% off too

so it's actually 343

barlop

there should be a warning when a comment is deleted.

a notification at least

William Hilsum

back

Simon Sheehan

Welcome back @WilliamHilsum

barlop

6:25 PM

who's the lunatic that invented the FOR command in NT's command prompt?

William Hilsum

6:50 PM

For isn't bad!

What's wrong - need any help?

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7:06 PM

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paradroid

7:45 PM

Does anybody know if it is possible to add something in a PowerShell profile which will make CTRL + BackSpace/Delete remove one word at a time backwards/forwards?

I have this ability in the other shells I use, so I get annoyed when I instinctively try to do the same in PS.

barlop

@WilliamHilsum well, not really a problem I have with it, but why does the help say (set) Specifies a set of one or more files. Wildcards may be used.. When it can take strings too. Doesn't have to be files.

and I mean without quotes

William Hilsum

help files are not the easiest - There are some very good examples if you google it... There is one site 10-15+ years old I like visiting... can't think off the top of my head :/

paradroid

@barlop You can do almost everything with FOR /F

barlop

8:00 PM

oh i probably know the one you mean

with benny pederson

hmm.. that google didn't turn up much

ss64.com/nt

William Hilsum

That's the site!

barlop

i should use it.. i guess i've been more of a traditionalist just use the built in help.. though it has been enough more or less.

what if you want to enable delayed expansion (e.g. !var! ) and set variables properly(not locally) in a batch file?

and you're on the default /v:off

the only way i've found, is to do setlocal enabledelayedexpansion then you do your !var! then endlocal. Then create the variable..

paradroid

Yes, that is how you do that. I cannot see what the problem is.

barlop

well it just seems silly that to get enabledelayedexpansion, you have to at the same time setlocal, thus all environment variables created don't exist outside the batch file. just a stupid design

paradroid

But how does that apply when you are setting variables, unless they contain variables in their definitions?

You want persistent envars which stay defined after the batch script has executed, but you do not want them permanently defined?

barlop

8:12 PM

persistent and permanent sound like the same thing to me

paradroid

Well, I mean that they stay after the batch file ends, until you close the command prompt

vs

Permanently defined, so that they are there the next time you open a new command prompt, or reboot the machine.

barlop

oh good point

I just meant persistent

paradroid

And you want to define them using other variables?

barlop

yes

I suppose after the endlocal would work.. I just think it's a silly design

paradroid

Yes, but you cannot use delayed expansion.

Unless you open CMD with /V:ON

barlop

8:16 PM

you can without /v:on , you can inside a batch by starting it with setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

paradroid

I know, but then your variables are local, and not persistent. I thought that was what you were trying to do?

barlop

right I want them persistent

looks like the endlocal won't help me either 'cos after that, the variables don't persist

the only way I see of doing it

paradroid

Yes they do.

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Stack Overflow Blog: SE Podcast #15

Posted by Alex Miller on August 10th, 2011

Joining Jeff and Joel this week is Michael Natkin, from our Cooking.SE site. Michael is especially interesting because he is a computer programmer, but he doesn’t answer questions at Stack Overflow, only on the Cooking site (he’s our first guest to do so!) – he also writes over at Herbivoracious (which he started back in 2007).

Their discussion includes:

Michael is a vegetarian “foodie” (even though he really hates that word) – he and Joel commiserate over the oddities of being a vegetarian trying to eat out …

paradroid

That's what SetLocal and EndLocal are for.

barlop

8:19 PM

well, suppose I say set a=!var! and I do it within the setlocal and endlocal

I have to do it there because it's setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

but then I can't get a to persist

and if after the endlocal I set another variable to equal a it won't get it

I can't even echo %a% outside the local

paradroid

Because SetLocal makes them local.

barlop

yeah that's the problem

paradroid

The only way you can do it is by starting cmd with /v:on

barlop

so if somebody is using /v:off because that's the default

then there's no way

other than.. outputting the variable contents to a file and reading it from the file after the endlocal

all because of a stupid design

paradroid

I use TCC anyway, but I guess you are trying to make portable scripts.

barlop

8:23 PM

yeah, though more a theoretical problem

just working out the language.. i'm only writing for myself. but good to know the limitations

is TCC commercial?

it's aka 4NT right?

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8:36 PM

Stack Overflow Blog: Careers 2.0: It’s About Reputation, Not “Rep”

Posted by Joel Spolsky on August 10th, 2011

I get an email like Arik‘s every day or two. He wrote:

The problem I see is that Careers 2.0 give advantage to developers with high Stack Overflow statistics (which I guess was the point, showing that you know stuff).

Unfortunately, SO succeeded so well, that practically no good question remained unanswered. Thus, gaining a respectful reputation in SO is practically impossible these days. Which gives an unfair advantage to veteran SO users.

First of all, whoa… have you seen the Stack Overflow homepage lately? We’re getting about 4,000—four thousand!—questions a day. There are puh-LENTY of opportunities to find a question to answer. …

paradroid

8:52 PM

@barlop Yes

TCC/LE is free, but no 64-bit version, which is a pain for me

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10:28 PM

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