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2:51 AM
Two weeks ago, I had issues with GRUB and my mdadm array @djsmiley2k
The / and /boot partitions had not finished syncing after replacing the disk, and the system would not boot with the new drive in. I did a hot-swap while the system was running, then forced it to do / and /boot first, then I could run the GRUB install command again
 
 
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5:56 AM
pink = thermal throttled with case closed
gray = not thermal throttled with case open and fan blowing into it
 
@HornOKPlease ow...
 
6:13 AM
@HornOKPlease Again, you want to have (mostly) unidirectional airflow through your case. Care to share photos of your current setup?
 
6:33 AM
same as the video currently, haven't had a chance to mess with it, but I will tomorrow
 
General rule is that you want air being pulled in from the front, bottom, and/or side panel, and exhausted through the back and top (not all cases or systems have all fans). Air should flow from front to back and from bottom to top.
Nov 30 at 22:31, by bwDraco
@HornOKPlease The bottom Noctua fan needs to be oriented towards the graphics card. As shown in the video, the fan is aimed away from it. Air should generally be blown towards the graphics card fans, because they pull air from below it and upwards towards the GPU, exhausting warm air to the side.
 
 
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9:41 AM
@CanadianLuke stangely relevent here
cept I've done no hot swapping
 
 
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11:35 AM
It seems I did a kernel upgrade or something on 8th Nov...
Which really broke something
 
12:13 PM
Ow.
ok y no onebox
Is oneboxing broken for anyone else?
weirdo
 
snd hlp7
Rufus y u open drive before u finish! D:
 
12:33 PM
Cat owners of RA: what sort of cat-related accessory would be a great christmas present?
pinging @djsmiley2k @HornOKPlease @anyoneleseiwthcats
 
@rahuldottech An automatic laser chaser dealie
 
@bertieb (keep in mind it's for reddit secret santa: I don't know the person)
 
A treat 'maze'
A toy you can hide treats in for the cats to try and get them out
I don't think any of those are infeasible for that
 
@bertieb closest thing I could find on Amazon India:
 
@rahuldottech That doesn't look like it's for cats, unless I've misglanced?
 
12:40 PM
@bertieb my point, lol
 
Oh right I see
Catnip?
Bearing in mind some cats are unaffected by it...
 
Top review of catnip balls:
> 1 cat loves it and the other doesnt get intrigued at all. A fun toy to play with if your cats react to catnip. Cat has scratched and chewed the ball but the build quality is sturdy enough to withstand many hours of play.
She has 2 cats
Chances are at least one will like it...?
Ok apparently you can't get catnip online in India
 
12:59 PM
@rahuldottech Really?
 
@DavidPostill comments on first say not real catnip
 
@rahuldottech we always got our cat fresh fish with the skin still on
catnip is not healthy for the cat
its literally like crack cocaine
 
@DavidPostill bad reviews
And also they're all expensive
 
fresh fish
 
1:02 PM
@Burgi can't ship that across the country
 
o.O
 
@rahuldottech {shrug}. Go to a pet shop.
@Burgi Rubbish.
 
I return on 20th, and I need to ship the stuff off that very day
@DavidPostill I'm not in the country
 
@DavidPostill its what i have always been told
 
Which is why I'm ordering online to my grandma's place
 
1:04 PM
> Cats love catnip. And it's perfectly safe - there's nothing in it that can harm your cat. If by some chance your cat was to eat a large amount of catnip, it could cause a mild tummy upset, but that's not likely to happen.
 
@rahuldottech google.com/…
 
@Burgi yeah but I need to ship it to Bangalore
 
dude, bangalore is a fracking coastal city
wait
i'm thinking of mumbai
 
@rahuldottech Ignore reviews saying it doesn't work. Some cats do not have the genes to respond to catnip.
> It’s also important to understand that not all cats respond to catnip. Approximately one out of two cats develops sensitivity to the plant, and the effects will not show until they reach 3 to 6 months in age. So don’t be sad if it turns out your cat is immune to catnip; she just didn’t get the genes for it.
@rahuldottech So go to a pet shop. Buy catnip and send through the mail?
 
@rahuldottech fishmart.co.in
or buy the stuff in a local store in bangalore
 
1:12 PM
@Burgi He is not in India.
 
but he lands on the 20th?
thats still 5 days before christmas - a holiday i didn't know indians celebrated
 
@Burgi Presumably not in Bangalore. India is big :)
 
i'm really confused
 
India 3.287 million km²
UK 242,495 km²
 
i am going to go fit my solar light while it is sunny
brb
 
1:19 PM
@Burgi lol. sunset 15:50 ... not taking clouds into account ... good luck
 
i've precharged it indoors
 
@Burgi You have a Sun inside your flat?!
 
i live with my girlfriend now
i used a normal electric lamp to charge it
basically the steps outside her house are completely dark and covered in leaves and are slippy
the council won't fit lighting there so i've bought a cheap solar light from b&q and its just enough to illuminate the steps
if it gets stolen its fine, i only spent £3 on it
i'm hoping that the locals all recognise its usefulness and will not steal it
 
1:54 PM
@DavidPostill l won't get time to go to a store before I ship the stuff, and no pet stores in this tiny Bhutanese town.
Is it sad that I know all of these
 
2:08 PM
@rahuldottech Perhaps you should spend more time studying and looking for GFs instead of learning random symbols:)
 
@DavidPostill I'd say that's sage advice except that I've randomly picked them up, never had to learn them
 
Bob
3:10 PM
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@Bob this post solved my life
 
@Bob quality Q&A there
 
3:26 PM
@rahuldottech the united federation of planets, x-men, green lantern, no idea, space invader, cueball, the glyph for earth, ubuntu, the rebel alliance, the answer to life, the universe and everything, map of japan, playstation symbols, no idea, the power symbol, no idea, 1337
 
!!tell 47969001 nerd
 
@rahuldottech Invalid /tell arguments. Use /help for usage info
 
not sure knowing the power button makes me a nerd, its on literally every device
 
Not on arduinos
 
also knowing 1337 isn't nerdy
knowing what it means is nerdy
also i like to point out i don't know 3 of them
 
4:22 PM
> I know it is a cliche - but Silicon Valley geeks who are too anti-social to have friends and family is a right pain in the arse for everyone else.
@Burgi First of those is deathly hallows from Harry Potter
 
QOOC. Nice.
 
@HornOKPlease not sure i understand?
 
QOOC = Quote out of Context
pretty hilarious when you just read those two lines
 
@Burgi Your robot is a girlfriend
wait
 
...
 
4:48 PM
@rahuldottech cardboard box
cats love boxes
 
@djsmiley2k cheap, but surprisingly true! :P
 
@Burgi no idea is the harry potter death thing
death stick, triangle from the necklace, and the ring
oh triangle was the cloak, sorry
 
5:12 PM
2 of the unknowns are deathly hallows (harry potter) and triforce (legend of zelda). I don't know about the 3 white stars (bottom left).
 
5:36 PM
@DavidPostill I can't figure that one out either
google reverse search didn't help
 
it looks familuar.
 
@rahuldottech You lied!
 
@DavidPostill It's clearly a bowling ball
Although yes @ToxicFrog is right, could totally be a dragon ball
 
@rahuldottech Only if you have star shaped fingers ...
 
5:42 PM
@DavidPostill Well, it's a ball!
or circle
or sphere
or three stars in front of an eclipse
 
6:01 PM
@rahuldottech you said you knew them all...
 
@Burgi except that one
 
4 hours ago, by rahuldottech
Is it sad that I know all of these
 
Welp. Nobody is perfect
It wouldn't have been cool if I said "Is it sad that I know all of these except that one"
 
Well the road to perfection can start by not telling lies ...
 
C'mon. It was not a lie.
A slight exaggeration
but ok point taken
(this is sadder, isn't it?)
Only a 6.25% exaggeration tho
 
6:15 PM
very weird
i ordered an amazon gift card yesterday
it was meant to be delivered to my new address but it has gone to my parents house
and now i have got an email from amazon saying they weren't able to deliver it and it will be with me tomorrow...
 
o_O
Aren't they (amazon) going to question it when you try and claim it?
Did u tell them they failed?
 
7:13 PM
@HornOKPlease fast.com/# is more convenient
Doesn't need an app on mobile
 
 
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8:19 PM
woioooo
8Gb in my machine
small upgrade, but better than nothing.
 
8:46 PM
Hey
Why are modern HDD platters a sliver color while older ones are usually a reflective orange?
 
9:08 PM
@MathCubes You realise that once you open them to see the colour of the platters they probably won't work again?
 
I have acutally open a hdd to run a magnet across the platters
Once I wanted to get rid of it when it died
@DavidPostill Yes, like dah unless you have a dust free environment. Anyways... Any ideas why older ones are a different color than newer ones?
 
I have always wounder that
I assume there isn't anyway to recover from datarot either
I have like a 20 gig hdd and when I put it in the other day it wasn't able to read any data expect for the paritons
*partitions
 
oxide vs thin film substrate
 
Thanks @DavidPostill
I have allways wounder that
 
9:14 PM
> A thin film 5.25" platter (above) next to an oxide 5.25" platter
 
Yeah I read the post
Thanks
@DavidPostill I wonder why some WD reps are fine if you take out the platters of your HDD for warranty when they died while some aren't.
If they aren't fine with it than I just normally drop the hard drive after taking a magnet to it. and write 0s to it if its fails a smart test but...
 
You would have to ask WD.
 
Some of their workers of it are fine but others aren't
Even if I showed them a screenshot of the test or a video of the drive failing
I have dealt with them 3 times now
1 they were fine with it, 2 they wern't
 
{shrug}
 
@DavidPostill Any ideas on Seagate?
 
9:23 PM
No.
 
I wounder why don't more people recommend Toshiba HDDs?
They only go up to 3TB but...
I wounder why WD is their favorite on Youtube
WD Blues sucks, They always fail
on me expect when I used them for archiving
@DavidPostill you?
 
Please stop pinging me. I'm not an expert on reliable hard disks.
 
I am not saying you are a expert
Just seeing if My experiences are the as others.
 
HGST is generally considered to be the most reliable. Seagate has historically been the least reliable but has improved in recent years. WD is somewhere in the middle.
(I'm a Backblaze B2 customer)
 
9:42 PM
stay far away from samsung and hiatchi, in my experience.
but backblaze is the way to go for real stats, agreed.
 
10:01 PM
...welp. Since I'm going to replace the rear case fan on Astaroth, I figured I might as well clean out the whole tower.
The Demon gets dusty as hell (ha!).
 
10:17 PM
I ought to put on hearing protection. The MetroVac DataVac ED-500 can generate 90 dBA of noise at working distance when blowing against grilles.
(and yes, I do have a dedicated SPL meter)
 
10:36 PM
@djsmiley2k hgst drives are basically immortal :p
 
11:03 PM
Every drive manufacturer's gone through good and bad phases
 
...installed the Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-2000 PWM as the rear exhaust fan on Astaroth. All systems go, but fan curve needs a but of tuning. Fan tops out at about 1900 rpm (the old fan did about 1050) and should be much more resistant to interference from other fans due to its much higher static pressure (the old fan would measurably slow down when the graphics card fans run full blast).
(Noctua spec is 2000 rpm ±10%, and the fan is blowing against a coarse grille with a small obstruction to airflow, which may reduce max speed a tiny bit)
Yes, it does get loud at full speed, but it's not insanely so (the Noctua 3000 rpm fans are pretty bad in this regard) there's plenty of room to turn down the speed, and noise levels at moderate speeds, e.g. 1000 to 1300 rpm, are very tolerable.
Then again, these are industrial fans.
 
I've got dead drives from WD, Hitachi, Seagate, Toshiba, I've got live drives from Samsung, WD, Hitachi, Seagate, Toshiba, I've got dead flash drives from Sandisk, Kingston, Crucial, Lexar, OCZ, Sony, I've got live flash drives from Sandisk, Kingston, Crucial, Lexar, Sony...
 
This is reflected in the spartan accessory kit: no more than a set of mounting screws.
 
Oddly enough I've not ever had a completely dead HDD, SSD, or SD card from Samsung, ever. I don't recall ever having a completely dead HGST drive that wasn't my own fault either. I've many several flakey Samsung hard drives, but none properly died, yet their SSDs are considered the most reliable by far.
I've had a Kingston and Sandisk SD card just die completely from a firmware bug, Sony, Samsung and Lexar ones fail gracefully, yet a Sandisk SSD failed semi-gracefully, an OCZ one die just completely from a firmware bug, many Seagate HDDs go flakey, some even by design, WDs HDDs die completely then inexplicably work fine two years later, WDs that fail gracefully, and just about everything else
 
11:26 PM
heh
I have a microsd card from strontium that's apparently in read only mode
 
My last five storage arrays were 4x HGST, 5x Seagate, 16x Samsung, 24x Seagate, 8x Seagate.
 
I don't do storage arrays :p
(at least not currently)
 
I probably will eventually. Nothing that large though
 
Some I've not powered up in 3-5 years, I don't even remember the last SMART logs or scans I did. AFAIK none of the Seagate 4TB NAS have had issues, nor the 8TB Seagate Archive drives (1st gen SMR)
Currently have a Seagate 4TB 2.5", a 1TB Toshiba 2.5", 8 TB Seagate 3.5", 6-8 Samsung 2.5" SSDs, a Toshiba NVMe and a Samsung NVMe. They seem to be getting more reliable as they go on, not had a single issue on any drive in the past 4 years even with decent amounts of abuse
When I used to run a laptop repair service I've had piles of dead drives of many brands, but WDs stood out as the most common and Seagate second
Yet at the end of the day my personal stuff has had more data losses in RAID arrays from controller bugs, software issues, and human error, and not a single one from actual hardware faults.
Back when I built my last array was around the time of mass corporate adoption, many manufacturers got bought out, merged, or went out of business, then Samsung and Toshiba came new to the market
 
I had a data loss event from FS corruption due to the USB connection dropping out. Not fun, but had backups of the most critical data.
 
11:44 PM
I don't think Samsung makes HDDs anymore, IBM got merged into HGST then got bought by WD, Toshiba withdrew from the enterprise market, so we really only have Seagate and WD left now.
I've only bought one hard drive in the last five years... everything's else has been solid state since I built my last storage array, and even then half those companies have gone or merged.
 
Bob
@FMLCat There's a newer gen of SMR now?
@djsmiley2k The stats are fairly meaningless unless you're dealing with thousands of drives, though.
 

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