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and may your airplane not be held together by ductape, have malfunctioning airconditioning, and have in flight food that could double as a way to knock out terrorists.

allquixotic

3:52 AM

s/by ductape/by ductape except where it's supposed to be/

s/have/not have/g

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I had all 3 in the same flight.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ouch

Journeyman Geek

;)

allquixotic

India Air.. duct tape.... makes sense

Journeyman Geek

also the flying retirement village

allquixotic

5:13 AM

look at those swings

>500 Mbps, down to 20

cc @Bob

Journeyman Geek

5:41 AM

@allquixotic looks.... regular

Bob

6:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek yea, I've disabled it a bunch of times

it, like much of ubuntu, is incredibly poorly documented

@allquixotic oof

Journeyman Geek

@Bob heh, I might try beating it into working

I see the advantages if I can get it to work

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek not for me!

Journeyman Geek

and I've already gone a little off script by swapping UFW for firewalld

allquixotic

mine usually sits >500 Mbps for the entire test

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I mean, periodic

like there's something buffering

Bob

6:16 AM

...I still don't know the point of those firewalls

allquixotic

oh

Bob

<== uses iptables

Journeyman Geek

@Bob in the case of firewalld, much simpler syntax, zones, the ability to actually save firewall settings in situ...

Journeyman Geek

6:38 AM

I really prefer it to naked iptables

and firewalld is RH and insanely well documented ;)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek hm.

maaaaaaaaaaybe.

does it let you configure nat?

Journeyman Geek

yup

docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Security_Guide/…

djsmiley2k

8:51 AM

I'm interested, what does firewall-cmd --zone=external --query-masquerade return

I'm guessing the status is in the exit code, but they could still print something surely D:

Journeyman Geek

lol

If it quietens down I can ssh in and check

djsmiley2k

AH so it's a front end for iptables, not a replacement

Journeyman Geek

no

it literally says no

bwDraco

9:22 AM

So... I've thought about my ongoing incidents (including a lengthy discussion in Matrix which nearly led to moderator intervention) as well as how several community members here manage to run big dedicated servers, do code projects, and more...

I have come to the conclusion that the primary reason I often to fail to do the same despite being equally capable is that due to an oppressive parenting environment that places too much emphasis on following orders and respecting authority, I lack the courage to act independently when doing so risks getting in trouble with my parents.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k corrected, the answer is literally no

since I've not actually turned on masquradeing yet

bwDraco

Heck, the decision to apply for a credit card about six months ago was done out of the house and in the field.

Over the next few days, I will be in talks with my parents to discuss how their parenting style has proven counterproductive and how they can help me build courage so I can start growing up again.

Journeyman Geek

9:41 AM

@bwDraco "they can help me build courage!"

nooooo

So, I used to be something similar to what the japanese would call hikikomori

While the safety net of the parentals was useful

the essential engines of change are from you.

Its a simple but hard thing to do, but you need to find acceptance and value in yourself rather than others.

You're kinda the sort who hangs on authority figures and expects them to do your thinking for you.

and are trying to gain the respect of your peers.

(I'm sometimes baffled by how I ended up as a mod. ;) I was all sally field when I won ;p)

bwDraco

Well... cowardly parents raise cowardly children.

(stars pls)

A parenting environment that creates fear rather than respect stunts growth and is counterproductive.

Journeyman Geek

ehh

That's a bit of an extreme thing to say

We are all products of our environment

and our generation's in a funny place where we're having trouble stepping out on our own cause the world's messed up

bwDraco

(you probably missed this from the Matrix side)

I will also study ways to build courage on my own and instill confidence in my parents that I can be a responsible, independent, and mature adult.

Journeyman Geek

They probably think they're doing this

@bwDraco When I was a pup, I people used to try to bully me.

I didn't like to fight, but I totally managed to beat up two guys who attacked me, and the third got me. It sucked.

So.. we were on this adventure camp thing where you had to jump off a pole and catch a thing. You had a harness and it was safe.

He... was stuck for half an hour. I'd have done it.

You sometimes just need to be on the edge, and jump

You can't overthink it

bwDraco

9:56 AM

It's no fun being a dragon who can't spread his wings and explore the world outside the den "because the outside world is dangerous".

Oct 9 at 4:54, by noitsbecky

WHY IS THE WORLD SO BROKEN

(welp, bot's not running)

Journeyman Geek

ya, its been broken a while

bwDraco

And there are subject matter experts here. For example, @noitsbecky knows the ins and outs of cellular networking while I'm the computer hardware expert here.

Everyone has their own talents and passions.

So... let's get nourished, get some caffeine, and get to work on Docker.

Journeyman Geek

10:23 AM

czep.net/17/legion-of-lobotomized-unices.html this was a vaguely interesting read

though I've always seen it from the other end - that the skills for actually managing these systems gets rarer, though not necessarily more valuble as programmers get abstracted away from the systems they work on

bwDraco

11:15 AM

> One of the ways we can recapture this lost era is to reject the disposable model in favor of durable systems. We should treat stewardship of a server as a responsibility, and bring back appreciation for the beauty of the hand-crafted system. Build systems that will last, where multiple services can coexist effectively, and where users will want to return to work, communicate, and setup up their .project files.

May 17 '15 at 6:09, by DragonLord

I see being a sysadmin as a craft that demands attention to detail.

TBH, it doesn't hurt that virtualization makes it easy to experiment and learn sysadmin skills without the need for a separate machine. If it wasn't for virtualization technology, I wouldn't be where I am right now.

So in several ways, technology has made learning the essentials of server operation and administration easier and more accessible. You no longer need to spend hundreds or thousands on a dedicated machine; you can simulate a computer on your computer and run whatever OS you want.

djsmiley2k

12:00 PM

@JourneymanGeek hah awesome, so why not grep for 'no' D:

oh, i guess 'not found' would match.

@JourneymanGeek CEO's can't do this.

Elon isn't askin his momma if he should announce things on twitter, before doing so.

@bwDraco that's the opposite of the way things are going tho.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k managers can

djsmiley2k

Dear lord, if there's a role I don't want more than anything else, it's manging people.

Journeyman Geek

Some people are natural at it

Some people are astonishingly good cause they hate it

Others.. eem

djsmiley2k

at terrible at it, and that's why they get lumped doing it.

bwDraco

I could learn it...

(I'm nice to a fault, though)

djsmiley2k

12:09 PM

i could learn it too

but i wouldn't enjoy it

and I don't plan to ever work a job I don't enjoy, ever again

DavidPostill

@bwDraco You can't really learn management. Well you learn by experience ...

djsmiley2k

I'd argue you don't really learn sysadmin

bwDraco

It's basically advanced IPS, something that takes lots of social experience to master.

djsmiley2k

you might know all the commads

but until you're doing it.

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k And of course you don't know whether you would enjoy it without actually trying it - pretty much like everything else in life.

djsmiley2k

12:11 PM

I know I hate people :D

bwDraco

Things like this require experience because there are too many possibilities to feasibly teach it in a controlled setting.

DavidPostill

Exactly.

bwDraco

Focused learning can help, though.

allquixotic

2:00 PM

> D

> 648

ok -_-

2

bertieb

2:32 PM

Showoff :P

They've been digging up the roads 'round here for FTTH (CityFibre business / Vodafone consumer)... I have registered my interest as it's probably a similar cost to my current FTTP ISP

Journeyman Geek

Currently FTTH is the only real option here. Which is lovely

bertieb

Ah, nice

I get a decent speed, as FTTP goes; but a gig-ish symmetric would be handy for offsite backups and things

bwDraco

It's 200/10 HFC cable here.

The 10 made it hard to push lots of data to a place like Backblaze B2, but I can manage.

Bob

3:05 PM

> The 10 made it hard

*cries in <1Mbps upstream*

Bob

3:43 PM

Tetris Theme Song - Rhythmic Juggler meets Marimba Madman

►

bwDraco

@Bob lol

It's hard when you're dealing with 350 GB in photos.

djsmiley2k

5:00 PM

AHHHHHHHHHHH FFS

My mouth is killing still

this isn't good.

bertieb

Cavity?

@bwDraco Sounds like ~~fightin' talk~~ you want to hear my photo collection size

Short answer is I don't know, but the stuff that's backed up comes to around 590GB deduplicated

Really need to back the rest of it up

But since nobody has ever mentioned backups or their importance, I can be forgiven

Also, TIL that Horn OK Please is a phrase

2

(I have a CC entry for six quid to a place with that name- street food vendor in London)

djsmiley2k

5:23 PM

@bertieb not sure

iut's the teeth he was almost 'leaning on' while doing the filling on the other side

If I had the option of a whole new mouth for a 'sane' amount of money, I'd do it

however I figure the amount is insane

bertieb

:-\

Sounds nasty

djsmiley2k

well it's all the back of my mouth

(most likely due to gerd making things wore

DavidPostill

gerd?

nm. Gastroesophageal reflux disease

djsmiley2k

webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/guide/reflux-disease-gerd-1

yah

i'm the one with the terrible stomach

> In addition, a narrowing or stricture of the esophagus may occur from chronic scarring. Some people develop a condition known as Barrett's esophagus. This condition can increase the risk of esophageal cancer.

yup, yup and maybe in the future but hopefully not.

djsmiley2k

6:39 PM

> Dental enamel consists primarily (almost 97 percent by weight) of a calcium phosphate mineral in the form of carbonated hydroxyapatite (CHA). CHA is insoluble in an alkaline medium. However, its solubility increases with a decrease in the oral pH. This effect was first noted as a result of direct contact of the tooth surface with acids from extrinsic sources such as beverages. Unlike dental caries, where the demineralization is caused by an acidic environment in GERD is due to the reflux of hydrochloric acid from the stomach (Figure 8.).

huh

so yeah :/

djsmiley2k

9:04 PM

@Y.S.G. you mention those links only existing for 2 days....

on the answer you linked there is a link to a page.... which shows examples of these same links

if they only lasted two days.... it'd be impossible for anyone to use them in any sites etc.

William

10:36 PM

journeyman if you end up reading this i think you recommended me Byobu. On a similar idea is there anything like tmux that has a GUI like midnight commander(mouse support)?

Journeyman Geek

Not really

I don't use meese on terminal. You could maybe run mc in screen or use mosh rather than ssh?

Bob

11:17 PM

@William tmux has mouse support

but unless you're more specific about what you want to do with the mouse, that's a bit of a meaningless statement

William

@Bob I thought/inferred it is just mouse pass through unless I have a setting done wrong

William

11:34 PM

I want to be able to click on the tabs

lol might be silly though

Journeyman Geek

Someone dumped a box for an AMD K6 ....

Liiiike I thought I held on to boxen a while

bwDraco

11:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek Wow, that's ancient.

Are you sure it's K6 and not K6-2 or K6-3?

If it is, that's Pentium II old.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Bob

@William see, that's completely different from "pass-through".

Pass-through implies the wrapper does not handle mouse inputs and simply passes them to the child application

bwDraco

Or is it just packaging?

Bob

lol, I'm just joking about the "legacy"

bwDraco

Seriously, though, if this was genuinely a computer and not merely packaging (as the wording suggests), then you're looking at a 20-year-old machine. It's 100% possible that this was used for a legacy line-of-business application.

Bob

11:54 PM

I wouldn't be too surprised if it were sitting under someone's desk as a NT 4.0 PDC :P

Journeyman Geek

Just packaging. That makes it worse tho

Naw. This is under my apartment. Unlikely to be a business machine

I literally think someone kept the box for 20 years

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