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12:08 AM
or just say "stop drinking my water"
 
At the time, it was being developed for consoles; the developers stated that the game was being developed on PC hardware and being scaled down for consoles. finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/…
> The original Final Fantasy XV runs on a high-spec PC, and how close a console gets to the original depends on its specs. The idea is to keep the options open in case a console comes out in the future that can recreate the original. [...] Nomura even mentioned the possibility of bringing Final Fantasy XV out on high-end PCs if there was ever enough demand.
Here's the key part that led to my assertion almost five years ago:
> having a seamless world and simultaneously having all required actions always available in the memory; world map sized maps that can have elements change and be destroyed during battles, the myriad of weapons, party members' individual actions, magic spells, monsters on a large map, light sourcing, physics, filters and other graphical elements
Back then, I never thought I would ever own a PC capable of handling FFXV, if and when it would come out for PC.
 
But you also assumed they would delever that.
they didn't give us a ....all of that
 
Read the linked FANDOM page.
Well, today... I actually have my dream PC and it's specced to meet the highest system requirements.
FWIW the Windows Edition is NVIDIA GameWorks-based, and is meant to be the definitive FFXV experience.
The storage requirement (originally 170 GB) resulted in the 1 TB Samsung SSD 960 PRO being specified instead of the 512 GB originally planned, and the insane graphical requirements resulting in my selecting the GTX 1080 Ti instead of the plain GTX 1080.
Hajime Tabata said that even the GTX 1080 Ti couldn't run the game at 60 fps in 4K, and that SLI was not an option: tweaktown.com/news/58903/…
 
12:25 AM
> windows 10 :(
 
I'm targeting 1440p at high frame rates.
 
But fair play to them for making it possible
 
Back then... I was on the old HP laptop. The Dragon didn't arrive until another half a year later.
 
Bob
@bwDraco ehhhhhhh it's certainly not going to be loading the vast majority of that data all the time, and (judging by certain other games) there's a good chance the majority won't ever be loaded. Sooo... yea. Cached HDD.
 
More snow, motorway closed, amber weather alert in force until tomorrow... if you see me here tomorrow y'all can blame the snow :P
 
12:35 AM
@Bob Assassin's Creed Origins makes heavy use of disk streaming.
 
Bob
@bwDraco Which a HDD would be perfectly fine for
 
 
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1:40 AM
@allquixotic ehh. Its pretty well documented tho
well the flurdy docs uses mysql, and you're adding new users via raw sql commands, but close enough
 
Hi @JourneymanGeek
gypsy told me that this room gets wildly off-topic - more so than at The Awkward Silence, so I thought I'd drop in here to check it out.
hope you're not still mad at me
 
2:15 AM
@allq:
yesterday, by allquixotic
I'd take an SSD that's "only" 5x-10x faster than an HDD (in terms of IOPS) but has 8 TB capacity, over an SSD that's ridiculously faster than I'd ever need but only goes up to 512 GB
What's the cost per GB you're aiming for?
There already are 4 TB SSDs on the market using 3D TLC NAND.
1 TB and 2 TB SSDs have gotten more affordable than before in spite of the NAND shortage.
I assume you're using it for an application that is read-mostly, so endurance is not a problem as long as it holds onto its data over several years of operation.
 
@bwDraco near what HDDs are -- I'd go more expensive, but not as much as most SSDs go for, especially at the highest capacity currently available
a 1 TB SSD like the MX 300 is perfectly reasonable per gig, but the 4 TB 850 Evo is overpriced IMO
application is mainly either video editing and storage (mostly storage), or Steam games, which have periodic re-writes with patches, but most of the data is probably write-once read-many
I need the IOPS and throughput to be at least pretty close to an 850 Evo SATA + the price per GB of a high-end HDD (yanno, the $500 ones that are really high quality / high capacity, not the cheapo $50 HDDs)
 
May I point you to the 2 TB MX500?
 
4 TB at $700 would be a sale for me; 4 TB at $1500 isn't
 
$500; IMFT second-generation (64-layer) 3D TLC NAND.
 
@bwDraco not quite dense enough; I'd need too many, and my Micro ATX case doesn't have space for more than 6 of 'em
if the price scaled linearly for the Crucial MX300 or MX500 up to 4 TB, it would be great, but (1) they don't offer 4 TB drives and (2) if they did, they'd probably price near the 4 TB 850 Evo, which is too much
 
2:33 AM
@allquixotic though, in theory, its 4tb in 3.5 inches vs 1-2gb in 2.5 inches?
and pretty sure you can mount a pair of 2.5 inch ssds in a 3.5 inch bay with the right adaptor
ports would potentially be an issue ._.
 
and power connectors, especially if I keep all my existing drives
if I wanted to convert the 2x 8 TB HDDs to SSDs, I'd need 4 x 4 TB or 8 x 2 TB drives
8 x 2 is still really expensive; 4 x 4 is like $5500 or so
vs. a total of about $700 for two good-quality HGST HDDs
 
ah ya
and you don't need all the throughput all the time
 
Out of curiosity: Is this your first PC build, or did you have an earlier system?
 
this is, like, PC build #10 for me
 
Wow.
 
2:41 AM
lol
 
the first four or so my dad and I built together
 
I'm at like 6 I think
 
What was your first build like?
 
but the rest I built, first with parts my mom/dad bought, then later with my own money
 
I guess I've been very late to the game.
 
2:42 AM
@bwDraco 486 SX, 180 MB HDD, 4 MB of RAM
 
@allquixotic if I have a $offspring, and they're into PCs I'd totally want to build my first PC with them.
 
Wow.
 
@allquixotic heh, that's pretty close to the last pc we bought ;p
 
I got my first "3d accelerator card" (proto-GPU) -- a 3dfx Voodoo -- while my dad was still buying me parts
 
It took me until October 2017 to build my first system by hand.
 
2:43 AM
@allquixotic We had a Voodoo!
 
I might've had a GeForce at some point before upgrading to the ATI Radeon X800, that might've been my last fully parent-funded system
 
I was blown away when I heard the music and sound effects from Sink Sub on real speakers.
 
Our family has a history of doing incremental upgrades. The first graphics card I recall working with is a RIVA TNT2. Father's old desktop had an 8600 GT installed aftermarket, which was later replaced by a GT 640 (which is still in service).
 
then the first GPU I bought with money I earned at work was the GeForce GTS ... something... I think it was the "G90" chip
 
@allquixotic I think only my last two PCs were self funded, the one before this was shared, then the dell, then I built this cause I wanted a good gaming PC no one would kick me off of
8000 series most likely
and heh, that was what my c2d had, a 8800...
 
2:45 AM
The previous desktop (K7 Athlon) ran a Radeon 9200.
 
I have no idea if it still runs, I've not got the spoons to bring it down to test it
 
no no, the G90 was too modern; it must've been earlier
GeForce GTS... 8800! there
 
that's GTX I think
oh oh
 
I also had a Radeon 9700 at some point which I think was also family bought
 
I had a creative video card
was a gforce 3
 
2:46 AM
We had a Creative-branded RIVA TNT2.
 
was er... build number 2 I think
 
the first time I splurged on a top-end card was the GTX 280
 
build 1 was a matrox millenium 2
 
that wasn't a cut-down or lower-priced model at all
 
My uncle used to do custom builds with Father.
 
2:47 AM
hah
 
But we use our computing equipment for a long time these days, and the current Dell is more than a decade old.
 
@bwDraco very asian thing ;p
"It still works"
 
I also bought myself two generations of AMD cards -- the Evergreen AMD Radeon HD5970 (dual GPU) and the Radeon HD7970 (single GPU)
 
Meanwhile, I've been on a 3-4 year cadence.
 
then went to the GTX 980, then the 1080
 
2:48 AM
"I want to defenestrate it, but it still works"
(swaps HDD for a SSD) "Oh its so much faster now, I'll run it till it dies"
._.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek that describes my parents' machines quite well. except the "works" part
 
(my dad's still on a thinkpad R61, gently upgraded with a chinese SSD and windows 10)
@Bob if it turns on, it works
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek if it turns on
 
then was the time dad downloaded a 4k movie and wondered why it was stuttery...
 
Ha - I recall trying to stream the first 4k video that went up on YouTube.
 
2:50 AM
My first system was an eMachines desktop. About two or so years later (don't recall exactly), I got an HP Pavilion dv6z-3000 (custom-built, quad-core AMD K10). That system is now referred to as the Wyvern.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek slap a GT 720 in there and call it a day
 
"erm, dad, this thing has a... pretty low res screen, and a decade old processor, and there's absolutely no way it'll run a 4k video. It'll be faster to just get a smaller version"
@Bob laptop
 
what do you peeps think of ASUS laptops vs. Macbooks?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I'm sure you can cram it in :P
 
@D.Hutchinson Comparing Apples to Oranges there. :P
 
2:51 AM
hah nice one @MichaelFrank :)
 
@Bob no PCIe I think
 
Bob
Mar 6 '13 at 14:31, by Bob
go away Apple
@JourneymanGeek the wifi card is probably pcie! :D
 
.....you underestimate how old this is
 
my friends who are gamers swear by ASUS -- but at my university library, people who use ASUS have such loud ... keyboards ... @MichaelFrank
 
Bob
2:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek I'm sure pccard => pcie adapters exist :D
 
"Hey the HDD in my Macbook is getting old let me just.. oh wait, it's hardwired onto the PCB"
 
if there's a express card version of the beast....
but but
 
@D.Hutchinson I have an Alienware R13 R3 and a Macbook Pro, and have used quite a lot of laptop keyboards in my time -- you can type loudly on a MBP too if you try
 
I really can't justify spending the money on a joke ;p
 
actually the really quiet keyboard I'm using right now that makes almost no noise is on the Alienware -- if that's something you care about -- and the fan isn't loud even when gaming on the GTX 1060
 
Bob
2:53 AM
@D.Hutchinson if you're talking about a laptop, you have not yet heard a loud keyboard
@allquixotic I'm having a lot of trouble trying to keep the clacking down on the Yeti :P
(and that's on MX Browns, not even Blues)
 
@Bob heh. Distance from the keyboard is what saves me I think
 
@allquixotic really? my MBP's keyboard feels so ... quiet ... and respectful of other student's spaces in the library ... I dunno :(
 
~4 years later, it was replaced with a much beefier gaming laptop, the Dragon, a Clevo P157SM. It ran then-current games with little trouble, but had constant thermal issues, ran extremely loud (well over 50 dBA), and was a pain in the butt to carry. I later managed to break the CPU heatsink on it and the network adapter is starting to fail.
 
and not being keyed up when I'm typing, aside from that
 
@Bob hmm, one of these... banggood.com/…
 
2:55 AM
I see @allquixotic
 
Bob
@allquixotic I tried positioning it inverted somewhat above my head... that didn't work at all
 
@D.Hutchinson my MBP's keyboard is waaaaay louder and clickier than this Alienware keyboard, which AFAIK is a fairly standard Dell switch keyboard, very rubbery, kinda rugged, decent build quality, decent key size and travel
 
Bob
also tried with it off to the side
the boom is really flexible, but apparently not enough to avoid clackiness
 
though choosing a Macbook or a Windows laptop should be more about what you intend to do with the device than the noise you make, as long as you don't get Cherry MX Blue mechanical switches or something
 
2:56 AM
Well, none of my laptops had particularly loud keyboards.
 
the only bad thing about this Alienware is the weight; I'm really tempted to get that RX Vega M when it comes out on some ultralight
 
I see, @allquixotic
 
Bob
maybe I just need to get a quieter keyboard... now, which Cherry switches were quiet again? :P
 
I'm kinda tempted to get some sort of ultrathin system myself, but I'm not sure I really want to when I just got a cheapie Lenovo only a few months ago...
(and can RDP into Astaroth if need be)
 
@JourneymanGeek is it safe to open up a site that's titled banggood.com while I'm at a coffee shop?
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3:00 AM
@Bob I've tried blue, brown and clear; clear and brown are pretty tied IMO, and way way quieter than blue
 
@allquixotic thanks so much - I'm gonna look up Alienware
 
Bob
@allquixotic yea, when I got the Browns they were supposed to be quiet
 
@D.Hutchinson as far as hardware quality and value for your money and support, I'd say overall Dell/Alienware is okay; certainly most of the heat concerns people seem to have had with Alienwares in the past (like the laptop chassis melting) don't seem to affect me.
But YMMV and perhaps Asus is better at some things. But if keyboard clickiness is your main concern this is a great non-clicky keyboard
 
Bob
maybe Red
 
@Bob They get noisy if you bottom out. Some keyboards are better than others; for example, my Corsair K95 RGB Platinum is quieter than my old ROCCAT Ryos MK FX. Both keyboards use Cherry MX Brown switches.
 
3:02 AM
build sturdiness, at least above average - it's quite heavy, but feels very structurally solid, not easy to break
 
Bob
@bwDraco I suppose I could add orings
 
> laptop chassis melting
Wat.
You'd have to get exceptionally hot to melt a common plastic like ABS (~105 C).
That's beyond the maximum junction temperature of any modern processor or GPU.
 
Melting or warping?
 
@allquixotic I see - yes, a quiet keyboard, with good key size and spacing is pretty important to me. Hmm ... but with my MBP, now about 5 years old (though I've switched the harddrive and added some RAM), I don't ever have to worry about viruses or do disk cleanup or ... defrag ... with an Alienware, I'm guessing I would have to, periodically?
 
Bob
@bwDraco uhhh, 105 isn't very hot
 
3:06 AM
I thought most chips these days top out at about 95 C?
 
@allquixotic the whole "you'll never get a virus" idea that gets pitched in Apple stores might be enough for me to get yet another MBP ...
 
@D.Hutchinson Which is wrong.
 
Defrag? I remember watching that visualization go in the late 90s but I don't think it's still a thing?
 
@D.Hutchinson Modern Windows is far more secure out of the box these days.
 
@D.Hutchinson 1. Macs aren't immune to viruses (you can't fix stupid); (2) disk cleanup is something you always have to do unless you have absolutely hideous amounts of disk space, on all computers, as a matter of clearing out old junk that's been sitting aroudn taking up space
 
3:08 AM
haha ... yeah ... I have done a defragment in about a decade ...
 
defrag is actually automatically done by Windows 10
 
I see
 
@allquixotic Weekly by default since Windows 8. You can change it in the Disk Optimizer utility.
 
you have to maintain your Windows PC just like you have to maintain your Mac, but the way you maintain a Windows PC is different... whereas in Mac you check for updates in the App Store, on Windows you use each program's unique updater tool to check for updates, and Windows Update on top of that
but maintenance tasks aren't burdensome if you keep a clean system
don't download malware, spyware, or crapware, and uninstall stuff you don't need once you're done with it
don't be gullible to phishing, spear phishing or telemarketers
don't click on downloads in email attachments from people you don't know
 
2 days ago, by bwDraco
Looks like I got a spear phishing attempt...
 
3:11 AM
always run a virus scanner (you should do that on a Mac anyway)
 
Bob
@allquixotic *only on HDDs
 
SSDs are fast enough nowadays that a virus scanner's performance impact is basically invisible, so don't be afraid of the overhead... at the same time, for a laptop you should plan to use less storage than you would on a desktop, but you should definitely make sure your laptop at least has a system boot drive that's an SSD, at minimum, if not 100% SSD storage for the whole laptop
there are justifications for going with an SSD plus one or more HDDs on laptops if you need tons of storage, but having a 5 year old Mac I'm betting that's not the case
 
Mar 15 '16 at 19:44, by bwDraco
Wee, my SSD is averaging more than 5,000 IOPS with three concurrent malware scans and a system image backup at the same time.
 
basically the only reason I bought a Macbook Pro is because the touchpad is so good (it was better than I even thought it would be before I got it) and because of iMessage client... and because it's extremely light and portable (I have the 13")
 
Case in point.
 
3:15 AM
the Alienware 13 R3's touchpad is about as good as a 2011 Macbook Pro's; it doesn't hold a candle to a 2016-2017 MBP, not even close
 
Bob
hmmmm
 
the comparison is downright sad
 
Bob
do I want to pay $4 for 2-year insurance on my $8 keyboard o-rings?
hmmmmmmm
 
@Bob lol
50% price increase
 
@Bob But what if you don't?!
 
3:16 AM
@allquixotic IIRC the Surface Book is about as good.
 
and then you blow an o-ring!
@bwDraco Yea, I read that as well. Plus they look way cooler.
 
@MichaelFrank If you can blow an oring on a keyboard, put it on youtube and buy orings by the kilo with the ad revenue. ;p
heh
@allquixotic my next laptop's probably also going to be a blade stealth ;p
(also, windows presision trackpads are ok, and for some reason I found the keyboard easier than old office macs or my brother's asus )
and my dislike of most island keys is well known
 
@bwDraco they made that larger, didn't they?
but iirc a very weak GPU (weaker than RX Vega M)
 
Bob
@bwDraco having tried them in-store recently, I'd say the surface book (touchpad) is about on par with the immediately previous gen macbook and one of the new lenovo yogas is better. the most current gen macbook wins if only because of sheer touchpad size. however, the windows laptops have touchscreens, soooo
 
@allquixotic I think that, entirely biasedly, tbolt based egpus kinda make having a super powery GPU on a gaming box is a bit meh....
 
Bob
3:21 AM
@allquixotic nup, GTX 1060
a 1060 is by no means weak
 
Jun 16 '17 at 14:35, by bwDraco
@allquixotic I just wish more PC manufacturers (who are not Microsoft, the Surface family is fantastic) paid more attention to hardware quality and UX.
 
(also, I wonder if a self-battery powered GPU enclosure is feasable)
dosen't need crazy battery life, maybe 2-3 hours?
 
Bob
@bwDraco that was true-ish two years ago. unless you've been completely ignoring the high-end devices from lenovo, dell, hp, etc...
heck, even two years ago the dell xpses were up there
 
@bwDraco my razer is pretty well built. I've nothing bad to say about modern dells, and low end HPs
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek no.
 
3:22 AM
My old HP was absolute crap when it came to build quality. I had numerous repairs done on it.
 
@Bob O_O
 
Old Dells were rather crappy, too.
 
@bwDraco the only reason I didn't bring the stream on this vacation is my cousin wanted to see my blade stealth
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek GTX 1060 is 120W TDP. That would need a 120Whr battery for a single hour. That's over the typical 100Whr limit (for air transport).
 
ah, alas
 
3:23 AM
This cheap Lenovo, despite the all-plastic construction, is actually quite well-built.
 
"despite the all plastic construction"
 
Bob
@bwDraco hp midrange is notoriously bad. but ... that's midrange
 
plastic dosen't actually necessarily mean crappy if well engineered
@Bob HP is odd ;p
 
Bob
asus has been known for good ultrabooks for the better part of a decade, too
 
dell's enterprise gear has been pretty damned solid everywhere I have seen em. their monitors are kinda my "eh, I actually do have money" preference ;p
 
3:26 AM
@JourneymanGeek My new Dell monitor feels pretty solid.
 
@bwDraco dell P series are just... nice
 
(S2417DG, 24" 1440p 144+ Hz TN with G-SYNC)
 
<3 my P2715Q
 
@Bob nice.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek the UP series is nicer :P
(and pricier)
 
3:27 AM
woulda gotten a pair, but the crossover is pretty solid, and much cheaper
 
I have U2717s
 
@Bob "and pricer" - There's my problem!
 
The bezels on my monitor are razor thin, and gaming at high frame rates with G-SYNC is quite frankly a revelation.
 
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Q: LAN port tester

y.daIs there any way to make a simple LAN port tester that can plug into an ethernet port and check for connectivity. I dont want to use the cable testers as it require both ends of a cable to be plugged in. I just want to test signal to a port.

 
Bob
@allquixotic looks like the 1060 is only with the 15" models though - the 13" ones use a 1050
 
3:29 AM
@NickAlexeev ehhh, not really.
the answer is "buy a raspberry pi" ;p
don't migrate please
 
@NickAlexeev Don't migrate. It's not the sort of question we'd like to see here. It's low quality and far too open-ended.
 
Bob
but even a 1050 isn't that bad (though the 2GB of VRAM is disappointing on a 3000x2000 res)
the 1060 has 6GB VRAM, so should manage fine
@JourneymanGeek actually, the answer is "use a cheap switch you had lying around" :P
 
actual connectivity tho!
hm, actually switch makes more sesne
and cheaper
._.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek but they just want to test "signal", which a switch would do
 
Was thinking about getting a PG279Q, but it's too expensive, larger than I'd like, and has horrible QC problems (backlight bleed).
 
Bob
3:31 AM
@JourneymanGeek the only downside is most switches aren't that portable
you need a power point somewhere
 
@Bob there's USB powered ones
 
@JourneymanGeek @bwDraco @NickAlexeev The real answer is.... Do it with an iPad! discussions.apple.com/thread/7794507
 
just grab a cheap 4 porter....
@MichaelFrank duuuuuude
 
@MichaelFrank iPad doesn't have Ethernet :P
 
iPad -> iPad to USB adapter -> USB to ethernet adapter
 
Bob
3:32 AM
I hope your real motivation in asking this question is to produce a competing system. Because ScholarOne is horrible and needs to die. — Konrad Rudolph Jan 10 at 14:25
 
@MichaelFrank don't forget powered hub
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank man, at that point you might as well plug it into your phone
 
so you're tied to a wall
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek technically, if you're testing a cable with the other end plugged in, you're (probably) tied to a wall anyway :D
 
details!
and heh
 
Bob
3:34 AM
@JourneymanGeek those aren't that cheap are they?
then again, most take 12V anyway
and not that much current
 
5v's common
and cheap
 
Bob
I'm sure someone asking on electronics.se can rig up a 5V => 12V boost :D
@JourneymanGeek networking equipment seems to have mostly standardised on 12V
 
you overestimate the competency of the average random internet person
 
Bob
except PoE which is 48V IIRC
 
Sounds like a bad idea all over though
 
3:37 AM
@Bob pretty sure I've seen cheap 5v, fast ethernet switches
I'll check when I get home
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek the trick is to find one that does gbe too
@JourneymanGeek speaking of, when do you get home?
 
3 days ish
 
Back on the topic of laptops... my HP IIRC had its display assembly (bright spots), keyboard (random typing), and trackpad (double-clicking) all replaced twice, as well as a motherboard replacement (damaged Ethernet port), USB port replacement (loose connectors), and even an optical drive replacement (ejecting by itself).
 
@JourneymanGeek you sure have: amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ZOOJXEG
I've got one of them
 
@bwDraco under warranty I hope?
 
3:39 AM
Most of them were under warranty.
We had paid to extend the warranty twice.
 
I also have a gigabit switch under my desk I've completely forget the details of
 
The motherboard and display frame replacement (not the same as the display itself) were out of warranty (~$300) because those were my fault, but everything else was under warranty.
 
Bob
@bwDraco it probably doesn't like your CDs :P
@JourneymanGeek almost certainly 12V
 
ya, it is
 
Bob
@ArtOfCode that's a 9V one :P
 
3:41 AM
@Bob no, definitely 5V
 
Heck, the left speaker was replaced due to intermittent dropouts.
 
like, stuck a multimeter into the adapter that's powering it right now 5V
 
Bob
@ArtOfCode ... it says 9V on that page
 
@Bob my meter disagrees :)
 
@Bob I also distinctly remember the edimax at my old workplace coming with a USB to barrel jack connector
might be an edimax, IDK
 
Bob
3:43 AM
@ArtOfCode the tp-link product page disagrees with your meter :P
@ArtOfCode what does the label on the switch (and the adapter) say?
 
@Bob 5V
 
@Bob Faulty eject button. That was the only warranty part replacement which did not require sending back the whole system (was sent a replacement optical drive and had to send the old one back)
 
Bob
@ArtOfCode odd.
 
like, deeeefinitely a 5V adapter
 
Bob
I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they aren't particularly common/standard
and the spec page disagrees... maybe you got a funny knockoff? :P
 
3:44 AM
might be a random 5V adapter I had lying around rather than the adapter that came with the thing... but it's working fine
then again it does say it's a TP-LINK adapter
 
Bob
@ArtOfCode there should be a label on the switch itself with a input power rating
weird.
 
pretty sure I have the same switch he does with a 5v adaptor ;p
buuuut I need to check
 
@Bob aha! now that does say 9v
 
Bob
@ArtOfCode veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery weird
 
It lies. Like the cake?
 
3:45 AM
but... still working fine on 5
 
Bob
I think I have the 8-port (older - metal case) version of that lying around... pretty sure it was 12V but I'll have to check when I get home
most others are, anyway
there's something weirdly common about 12V adapters with barrel connectors
 
4:10 AM
@Bob We had a major ISP in the UK supply a bundled 5v router with a standard 5.2/2.8mm or so power jack (i.e. Same dimensions as commonly used on 12v jacks) and had so many people accidentally plug in 12v adapters they first added warning labels then later made the manufacturer design a new revision with a 5.2/2.2mm jack so people couldn't physically fit common 12v plugs in anymore.
 
sorry, stepped away for a bit, @allquixotic @MichaelFrank
@allquixotic hmm ... what if I browse some "questionable" sites every once in awhile? I feel ... protected ... with a MBP ... whereas with a Dell, I feel it's going to die ...
I have not owned a PC in many, many years, though
 
Ultimately most ICs run on 3.3v or less so any 5v, 9v, 12v or whatever router is going to run the input through a step down of some sort regardless, often a switchmode regulator which can inherently tolerate a wide range of voltages
I used to deliver 12v PoE over long runs of crappy Ebay Ethernet cable to all my routers including 5v ones on the roof, some of which would just work as is while others needed a DC-DC converter, but ultimately was always more reliable than running 5v over long lengths of cheap, thin wiring.
Sometimes running a pair of 12v routers over it would drop the voltage to 7v or so due to wiring resistance but they'd still run fine.
So I'm not at all surprised a 9v router would work off a 5v adapter, intentionally or otherwise
@JourneymanGeek I built one of those myself a while back - needed to test a router in portable mode and run diagnostics off my laptop so I just hacked a connector to run it off my laptop's USB port :-D
Also used it later when I needed a high powered router in client mode with external antennas and my laptops built in wireless wouldn't cut it
Doesn't beat that time I had a 12v router and wired it up to a 11.2v laptop battery using sewing needles though.
 
Bob
This is the screen that set off the ballistic missile alert on Saturday. The operator clicked the PACOM (CDW) State Only link. The drill link is the one that was supposed to be clicked. #Hawaii
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huh, oneboxing includes twitter images now
 
4:47 AM
is there any danger to buying and using off-brand power adapters for my Macbook Pro? I'm using an Apple brand one now, but sometime last year, I bought one from an non-Apple dealer - the adapter seemed to get extremely hot ...
felt like touching a hot stove ...
I stopped using it since then ...
it looked just like any white Apple brand power adapters ... but it isn't from Apple ...
 
5:08 AM
@FMLCat oO
 
5:25 AM
@FMLCat The battery is probably 12.6V fully charged, so that voltage is in spec.
 
Bob
@bwDraco ... ... ... uh. I'd be more concerned about the sewing needles bit.
 
@D.Hutchinson Probably an overrated and very cheap design. It may very well catch fire if the computer is under load with a less than fully charged battery.
If it's getting this hot, chances are good it's operating beyond its actual capacity and it may not even have OCP, SCP, or OTP.
Not to mention that the power quality is probably exceedingly poor.
If we had an EE expert able to dismantle and analyze it, you could sent it to him/her...
brb, shower.
In short, it's actively dangerous to even plug it in.
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k I need to do a pretty big install/update/migrate soon, you still using that VPS?
(gonna try moving to the snap build of lxd, which miiiiight break all the things)
 
5:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek haha nice find
 
Bob
6:10 AM
...why is it so hard to test a linux account/password
 
@Bob How do you mean?
 
Bob
6:26 AM
@MichaelFrank you set a password. it doesn't work on a different interface. you want to test that the password was actually set correctly.
apparently the "correct" way to do that is to pull the corresponding line out of /etc/passwd and use openssl to manually verify a password against the hash
 
That can't be the correct way...
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank that was my first thought
 
Oh... yea, according to Google and SO...
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank ...yea...
now you see why I'm complaining? :P
 
A different method, although not any easier.
Oh, it's a script.
 
Bob
6:31 AM
@MichaelFrank I eventually settled on suing into the user
which means I had to create a new account cause the password I wanted to test was actually root's password, which was the only account...
 
Works for users in the su group I guess.
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank su, not sudo
basically, trying a real login against the user
the only reason it wasn't straightforward was cause I needed a non-root account to su from, cause root can su without password to any account
 
Oh
That's kinda confusing.
I always thought sudo was just a singular action su mode.
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank they're rather different tools
 
7:06 AM
Hey, superguys.
I've run into a controversy that I didn't think existed. But apparently does.
So, thinking about computers, which one of these do you think is right: "Production line" or "manufacturing line"? Also, I did Google, and so did many others. I just want to know your personal opinion.
 
Bob
They sound largely interchangeable. Though I don't think I've heard anyone say "manufacturing line" before.
 
Well, aren't we birds of the same feather?
@ToxicFrog More like a fiasco than a joke. "Notability" is a guideline. But some people take it more seriously than the founding pillars.
 
7:56 AM
welp. A big project idea just came up. I was thinking about getting a whiteboard for writing an agenda to keep myself organized and motivated, in an effort to combat my lack of motivation and self-discipline. Now I'm thinking about some sort of digital display solution, which led me to think, "wait, RPi would be ideal for this!"
 
sounds like a distraction to me
 

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