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allquixotic

12:19 AM

@MichaelFrank Yes. And !!meta. :P

Michael Frank

What do you use to view XML? I opened it up in Notepad++ and it's all on one line. -_-

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank Install the XMLTools plugin for Notepad++

Michael Frank

Ahh cool. That's easy enough.

Wow... That is so much easier!

allquixotic

*gives himself chat rep*

*marks his answer as accepted*

Michael Frank

12:36 AM

Have a star :P

allquixotic

\o/

DragonLord

1:02 AM

Curious about the *real* endurance of the #Samsung #SSD850PRO? UK-based network consultancy puts it to the test: http://blog.innovaengineering.co.uk/

Tweeted by fierydragonlord on May 23, 2015 at 1:02 AM

Michael Frank

@DragonLord Dunno if I want to know when my system drive is going to die. :P

Journeyman Geek

1:23 AM

@MichaelFrank: Sublime text!

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Hello

7 hours ago, by DragonLord

Just came back from the interview—after less than two hours, I already have a job offer

Work begins June 1.

Journeyman Geek

awesome. Prepare to be busy ;p

@allquixotic heh. Work's heavily apple as far as phones go ;p

(my boss has too much fun with siri ;p)

grahamcluley.com/2015/05/magic-crystals-viruses warning, popup asking you to join a mailing list, and possible risk of self induced concussions from facepalming.

Michael Frank

1:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek I gave up on the XML idea...

Journeyman Geek

good chap

ugh, forgot my postgres password

Journeyman Geek

2:09 AM

Its a bummer but since the old server is up I'll just set up the new ttrss box, move over the opml files, and finish reading what's on the old instance, and mark the new instance as read

allquixotic

2:29 AM

@JourneymanGeek why is it a bummer?

oh. you don't need a postgres password, technically

Journeyman Geek

Won't let me dump the database ;p

Anyway, no biggie, almost got a new install up

allquixotic

damn, even as the postgres user running psql it still needs the password

that's not how Ubuntu does it

Journeyman Geek

I do need to grab the old buggy night theme (and ugh, this is where my lack of coding skills hurts)

Its ok ;p

I think on at least the last 2-3 installs I built it from scratch

(if someone would build a working dark theme that dosen't make all the images monochrome... I tried hacking at it, but for some reason it dosen't pick up the modded theme with a different name)

Bob

@allquixotic Huh, there's actually an XML beautifier for NP++... I spent a bit looking for one a while back, settled on a line in LINQPad :P

@allquixotic ಠ_ಠ

Journeyman Geek

2:54 AM

whoohoo

heh. Was a simple matter of copying over the chunk of css I used and sticking it in a text box. Who knew?

Bob

Congrats, @DragonLord

allquixotic

@Bob I know, I know! BUT if it solves my connectivity problems I'll somehow have to settle with it, until an Android manufacturer can put out a phone that isn't basically broken.

also, the 128 GB built-in NAND should be sufficient for my needs.

Trust me, I'm putting it on a short leash. If it doesn't do what I need, it's going back and I'm getting my money back.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: feel free to kill off the smartos instance.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek It's stopped. Confirm again and I'll nuke it from disk.

Journeyman Geek

do it.

allquixotic

3:06 AM

Gone!

Journeyman Geek

Thanks X2

Nick

Greetings comrades.

Journeyman Geek

this VM feels a LOT faster BTW

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek double the RAM, faster CPU, less load (though I haven't finished loading everything up), and replaced SmartOS kernel and userspace with Ubuntu 14.04... the ONLY thing keeping me from doing this a long time ago was the lack of a good management daemon to herd LXC into being secure

LXD is a lifesaver

I love it so much <3

also, the ARC cache of ZFS combined with the high-throughput 1 GB NAND on the hardware RAID controller should provide for excellent burst speeds and low latency for reads and writes

IIRC my previous server with OVH was software RAID

Journeyman Geek

I'll try to get my wordpress install up (on my own vps) this afternoon.

(since I want to toy with fedora for personal servers, and i'm too lazy to migrate it fully ;p)

Bob

3:14 AM

@allquixotic still need to figure out whether I should get the 3x SSD option :P

Journeyman Geek

I should probably have done it the other way, I did the whole ttrss build without notes XD

Bob

600 GB... more than I'm using right now, but it limits future expansion

especially if I install Windows as well

worst part of OVH is they apparently won't modify servers after setup

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: and this is slightly easier for me to maintain XD

(this is a fresh install, tho, I need to see if I can clone the repo as www-data)

Its my standard(ish) web stack, as far as such a thing exists (lighttpd/php-fpm + some database depending on need)

Michael Frank

3:35 AM

-1

Q: Activate Office without contacting Microsoft and without Hotmail Address

I bought new tablet that was supposed to come with Microsoft Office 365 (free 1 year subscription). I'm hoping the latest Word has a number of problems fixed that I have experienced in Word 2010 and 2013. I'm trying to use office, but I keep getting prompted to activate it. I'd like to use an of...

I'm suprised this shitstorm ended up getting resolved. :o

allquixotic

4:03 AM

@Bob there are bad Hardware RAID setups out there, to be sure. But in my experience, the Hardware RAID setups that OVH provides on its Enterprise line are serious iron. They work; they're measurably faster than software RAID; and they don't burden the CPU as much.

They all come with a good flash cache module too.

Bob

@allquixotic well, 3x SSD would still be software RAID

$7/month

to go hardware would be $35/month...

allquixotic

3x SSD would be hilariously fast, but any software RAID would definitely eat a lot of CPU. When you have lots of bits flying in RAID-5 on SSDs, the CPU is going to be busy with all that.

why couldn't they do 4x so you could do RAID10.

striping is way cheaper computationally than parity

and mirroring is basically an O(1) operation, saying "write the same bits over here, too"

Bob

@allquixotic :(

also 2x HDD + 2x SSD is pretty expensive too

again, my ideal would be HDD RAID 1 + SSD cache

allquixotic

in terms of reliability, performance and CPU overhead (discounting the fact that RAID10 gives less usable space than RAID5), I rate the available options as follows, assuming that you can have either RAID5 or RAID10 (which is unfortunately! not the case for OVH):

1. Hardware RAID10 - no CPU overhead with an offloading RAID card, great throughput
2. Hardware RAID5 - reliability risk unless you have a flash cache or BBU; recovery risk if disks are of same make/model/age
3. Software RAID-Z (ZFS) - efficient, and solves the "RAID5 write hole problem" in software, but high CPU cost, especially with SSDs
4. Software RAID-10 - good on any filesystem, not just ZFS
5. Software RAID-5 (non-ZFS) - slow, very high CPU cost, doesn't solve the write hole problem at all

if 600 GB of usable space is enough, you could do software RAID2, with the 3 x SSDs, for excellent robustness and reliability, outstanding read perf, and very good write perf, at almost zero CPU cost

RAID2 in this case would be three copies of the exact same data

reads could come in parallel from each disk simultaneously for ridiculous burst throughput, probably maxing the SATA controller

writes would have almost no latency and single-SSD write perf is still quite excellent

Bob

@allquixotic Seems like the common modern rec for RAID-Z1 and RAID-5 is to never use them for larger (> 750GB/1TB) disks

allquixotic

4:17 AM

@Bob Z1? as in mirrored RAID-Z?

Bob

@allquixotic they're 300 GB SSDs

allquixotic

@Bob Oh. :S

Bob

> There are three different RAID-Z modes: RAID-Z1 (similar to RAID 5, allows one disk to fail), RAID-Z2 (similar to RAID 6, allows two disks to fail), and RAID-Z3 (allows three disks to fail).

@allquixotic The 600 GB number is the available space with RAID 5

allquixotic

@Bob ah, right -- RAID-Z1 is basically "the same as" RAID-5 structurally, except the software's smart so it solves the write hole problem

Bob

@allquixotic I might just go with 2x 2TB in RAID 1... or maybe 3x, but I'd rather avoid RAID 5 so not too sure there

allquixotic

4:24 AM

@Bob bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/75-debian/…

DragonLord

3

A: How can I permanently disable the Dell Pointstick?

The console window pictured above is less than useless. On my E6420 it says that it is disabled but the point stick still works regardless. The registry info supplied in various forums did not work for me because I could not find the referenced points in the registry. NOTE: What follows is for a...

Can a mod remove CW from this post?

allquixotic

you can compile ZFS-on-Linux (the kernel version, not zfs-fuse) in the OVH rescue system -- for the running kernel -- load it, then use debootstrap and grub2 to "install" Debian on the ZFS pool, and get RAIDZ on Linux

DragonLord

This is a meritorious post from a new user and it deserves to earn full reputation.

Bob

@DragonLord flag it

@DragonLord wait, it's not CW'd...

oh, @nhinkle did it

@allquixotic wait what

I thought you couldn't run the host from the ZFS pool?

oh wait

yay unsupported

allquixotic

@Bob What I read is that your /boot should not (but can, technically) be ZFS, but it's perfectly fine to make your / ZFS.

Bob

4:32 AM

@allquixotic but if I have only three drives, how do I boot?

allquixotic

GRUB2 Stage 1 is in your MBR or EFI System Partition on an arbitrarily-chosen disk. GRUB2 Stage 2 is in your /boot on xfs or ext4 on an arbitrary-chosen disk. Everything else is ZFS on / on RAIDZ.

Bob

and if that disk is lost, I'll have to set up grub again

urk

allquixotic

Something like this:
Disk0: MBR: GRUB2 Stage 1. First sector til ~1 GiB (or whatever): /boot.
Disk1: First sector til ~1 GiB: Nothing, or raw `dd` copy of first disk.
Disk2: First sector til ~1 GiB: Nothing, or raw `dd` copy of first disk.
All disks, ~1 GiB til end: ZFS RAID-Z pool.

(assuming "first sector" in each case means "the first sector after the MBR", since the actual physical first sector is always the MBR)

Bob

9:48 AM

@allquixotic hm. considering uefi, but ok :P

barlop

10:14 AM

If somebody asks a question, and it gets labelled unclear by a bunch of people, (who may even see exactly what is being asked, but assume the person means to ask something else) and somebody answers it, answering what was asked, and the answer is accepted, then should it really still be labelled as unclear what they are asking?

Psycogeek

10:38 AM

No at that point we should label the people closing it as "unable to interpret" :-)

I think when a person comes along that Knows exactally what the person is talking about, reguarldless of language problems, or ability to communicate the information. that person can answer it. That person is probably the person we would also want answering it.

I hopped around on a lot of SE sites again today, to see how many questions are closed (for the most part) because the answer was not already written on the web? And so much plagurisation of the web to aquire reputations. SE is its own contradictions over and over again, and nobody existing here could even believe it.

With such insanity of "it is not researched" to "I just snagged the answer off the BS that exists on the web" they make zero sence.

If a completly new idea is presented, it is easier closed (because someone couldn't answer it) Than it is factually the only question that has not already been answered somewhere :-)

While there are indeed questions that qualify 100% as only going to get opinions, there are a lot of questions that the "corporations" are surely not going to tell the truth about, and experienced users can. But somehow if it is not supported by (A some idiot with a PHD B) some sales already delivered to sell C) some load of crap written badly or even completly wrong on the web. Then that is opinion ?

If SE had a "Medicines and how we use em" site I guess the "facts" would be million doller paid for studies , that are entirely bogus , and often result in huge class action lawsuits 5-10 years down the line. wherein the drug will be renamed (or one atom changed) and it can go another 10 years. With thousands of PHDs (uhh doctor) getting huge continual kickbacks from the lies.

But the "opinion" of the victoms/users/people actually using and doing it, wouldnt count for anything.

barlop

11:09 AM

@Psycogeek I like the idea of labelling people unable to interpret.. maybe losing one rep point.

Psycogeek

The best solution to the incorrect closes (not the deserving ones) is to allow for Un-Close to occur at the same time. Then the "community" actually decides these things. Even in-so-much that it would take 2x as many un-closes. then a valid question that the community desires to exist , would.

Instead the entire community can more or less be "bullied" by a few agressivly uninterested and maybe even half drunk closers :-)

Said before: if Youtube ran like SE sites, there would not be a single video left open, because there is at least 5-10 people watching each video that would be ok with closing them.

That is even without the "rep competition", add in some "that video is like mine, or takes points from my stuff" and the whole site would self terminate :-)

Psycogeek

12:28 PM

superuser.com/questions/918611/… <--I classed this spam, others off-topic.

Psycogeek

12:41 PM

gone

Mokubai

@Psycogeek Should be spam all the way, but people flag weirdly at times. It's 100% processed meat product.

Journeyman Geek

12:57 PM

Heh, that was amusing. I have a friend who occationally does random odd mechanical turkish jobs for spending money, and I figured I'd ask her to do my ebook collection. Figured I'd offer 10-15 dollars an hour, with a 4 hour minimum... and some maximum. Decided to see how long it would take... I think I owe myself about 60 dollars ;p

Psycogeek

superuser.com/questions/918635/… <--spam i think they will not miss.

Bob

1:23 PM

@JourneymanGeek ?

I got kinda lost halfway through that paragraph o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I ended up doing it myself? ;p

Bob

o.o

Journeyman Geek

Its easier once you realise a few small tricks ;p

I added a calibre lookup plugin for the publisher's webpage (since a good chunk of my ebooks are from baen) and calibre does an ok job with a properly formatted title and an author

Journeyman Geek

2:35 PM

and heh. While looking for something else, I found a few unredeemed games from the Star Wars bundle, and a humble bundle.

And A book I know I had but don't remember buying.

(which is ok ;p)

Boris_yo

3:22 PM

@JourneymanGeek Strange. I have to blow into right Logitech earbud for it to output audio. It helps temporarily but then gets weak again...

Journeyman Geek

eh, wierd. Loose connector on the earbud end?

Nate Kerkhofs

I got this weird issue with my home network that I think I know what caused it, but not how to fix it

Bob

Gremlins?

Nate Kerkhofs

A few weeks ago, I tried to use AirParrot to simulate Airplay from my Windows machine to my Apple TV

Bob

Gremlins.

Nate Kerkhofs

3:26 PM

it didn't work properly, and ever since then, when my laptop is active before my mac or Apple TV, the network speed and quality just hits rock bottom on my IMac and Apple TV

My windows machine is just fine, but my father's apple TV and iMac both lose tremendous speed, and it's not fixed until I completely shut down my laptop

I already tried to make a question about it, but it got zero response

Anyone here with an idea what could cause it?

and more importantly, how to fix it?

I've already uninstalled AirParrot

Because really, I'm this close to just running a factory reset on my laptop to see if it could fix something

Alternatively, is it possible that this is because my laptop is way closer to the wifi access point than either of the other 2 devices? or should that not matter?

Psycogeek

that could be. when you say after install of airparrot , you make it sound as if it was the software , or acitivity it might have? If you somehow figure it is some software, you should check for any leftover services or drivers from said software, or even configurations changes it made. There exists software that makes some serious changes to things at times without telling the user spit. Dont know about airparrot.

Nate Kerkhofs

I don't quite know how to find those services or drivers. I already removed all files referencing airparrot from my laptop.

I can't find a service that refers airparrot

Psycogeek

3:41 PM

you might have to know what services it used , i assume to much because i trace all my installs, soo i see everything, even things i wish i never saw :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

I found 2 registry keys that referred to airparrot executables or installers

DragonLord

0

A: Abrupt change in moderation staff?

I think the issue lies in the SE team's failure to communicate the issue properly. I have to agree that HopelessN00b was making mass changes without community consensus. However, the issue wasn't as well communicated to him as it should have. If a moderator appears to be trying to usurp the com...

HopelessN00b was suspended, then resigned as a mod.

Nate Kerkhofs

I just found 2 entire folders in my HKLOCALMACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Tracing registry folder. should I delete them?

Psycogeek

If you have signals galore (other interferances) high bandwidth use , long or large differences between wi-fi , then that is the first suspect.

No that is the general location for all the tracing, and is 99% used for the OS itself.

DragonLord

Will be AFK for several hours to run an errand.

Nate Kerkhofs

3:46 PM

I didn't find any services so far, and 2 registry keys referring to the executable and the installer, and those 2 folders in my tracing registry

Unless the service has an entirely different name

I looked for AirParrot, Air, Apple

Psycogeek

Yea and that is the hard part, it helps somehwat to know what services are already there . Ahh usually they are uninstalled, but sometimes they would be what was not uninstalled.

Nate Kerkhofs

I have no idea what to look for though. I exported my services list to a .txt file and read that

Psycogeek

sort by company name :-) ?

Nate Kerkhofs

services usually don't have a company name

Psycogeek

AutoRuns Program will sort them much better and search.

Plus you can exclude known Microsoft items , making the list much easier.

And with it you could also explore any other leftovers. Except for any changes made to the net stuff, like any of the sharing, or protocols, or NIC settings stuf.f

Nate Kerkhofs

3:52 PM

How can you sort the autoruns program?

I can't figure out how to sort it on publisher

Psycogeek

Akk your right, well not sort, just see.

Guess they didnt implement column sort yet

Nate Kerkhofs

I tried to filter it on airparrot, apple, airplay,...

Psycogeek

but with the Find thing, it might look through those descriptions without having to read

Nate Kerkhofs

I can't find any service that might have been left behind

Unless that service was a bonus microsoft service

Psycogeek

Gee i hope not :-) but when you have MS stuff turned off the lists are managable, and any other stuff in there (not parrot) could be seen.

so you could see if anything else looked funkey, or does not belong.

Nate Kerkhofs

3:57 PM

I searched for "Air", and the only thing it finds is something from MS that has the word repair in it

I searched for apple, and it only found something from Xamarin

squirrel, parrot, play and all the rest doesn't find anything

Psycogeek

Xamarin never heard of that yet

Nate Kerkhofs

Airsquirrel is the manufacturer, airparrot is the program

Xamarin is a cross-platform development tool

it allows you to develop a cross-platform app for Windows, iOS and Android with the same codebase

So I know it's safe

Psycogeek

oh

Glen The Udderboat

Hello! I'd like to build a relational database. I don't even have software yet. What is top-notch/standard and runs on a Mac?

Psycogeek

@NateKerkhofs so then there is the resource monitor, and if it doesnt show funkey stuff flowing in the network section? Then testing your WiFi signal strenght stuff, and checking how distances (and other activities going on via the same net) occurs.

Nate Kerkhofs

4:07 PM

There is only 1 program that's really taking bandwidth usage, and that's BackBlaze, which I only installed yesterday, but the problem is already a month old

Psycogeek

I think windows wifi stuff will even indicate the supposed "speed" that you should have with the signal you have going. Assuming the windows own wifi stuff, right clicking the connection In the systray, notification area , and bringing up the "Status" will show the possible speed at the moment

barlop

Nate- there is something called Adobe Air

Bob

4:30 PM

look at these three links for the same product, what do you notice?

logitech.com/en-us/product/stereo-headset-h390 logitech.com/en-ca/product/stereo-headset-h390 logitech.com/en-au/product/stereo-headset-h390

RRP is 39.99 USD, 49.99 CAD or 89.95 AUD.

Converting everything to USD at current exchange rates, that's 39.99, 40.70 and 70.36 respectively.

One of those numbers is not like the others...

Nate Kerkhofs

Those are normal prices for a product that has to be flown in halfway across the world

Everything in Australia is much more expensive compared to the rest of the world.

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Not remotely.

Even accounting for 10% GST, I can get it shipped in individually for cheaper.

In fact, quite a few local stores have it near the US RRP (probably grey import).

This is just Logitech price gouging.

Nate Kerkhofs

Australia is just more expensive in general

thenewdaily.com.au/money/2014/03/05/…

Bob

25 USD on Amazon. They don't ship directly here (probably under some licensing agreement...), but these things are usually ~$10 shipping from Amazon, or $20 parcel forwarding. Add 10% GST, comes to 50 USD.

That's still a good 30% more expensive than the local RRP.

Nate Kerkhofs

Do you have any idea how far australia is from the USA?

Bob

4:41 PM

@NateKerkhofs I am very well aware.

I am also aware that the price difference has nothing to do with distance.

That is their excuse.

Consider that sofware companies charge double the price (see Microsoft re MSDN pricing) for software products that should cost them little to nothing extra to distribute here.

As far as MSDN pricing goes, that amounts to something like $10,000 extra at the highest tier. Cheaper to literally fly to the US, purchase something, enjoy an expensive holiday, and fly back.

That is insane.

For heavier/bulkier items like vehicles and whitegoods, I can see distance and freight being a legitimate reason.

But even they don't have nearly the same markup as anything tech-related!

You can say all you want about wage differences, etc., but even that doesn't account for this large of a difference in final price.

Psycogeek

5:00 PM

@Bob how does it work in Oz there when you get stuff shipped free from china ? or general straight from china or hong kong , from those places that happily ship international?

Bob

@Psycogeek You mean the random cheap crap off eBay, DX, etc.?

Psycogeek

yes

Bob

Those are probably the same price worldwide with a couple exceptions.

It's mostly the established companies that have ridiculous markups.

Psycogeek

Seems they are just pushing to have china supply direct things , more than they think. Even here when we have to fork over $5 (1 to the store , 1 to the union , 2 to the ceo, and 1 to china) for a product they thought they would get stinkey ritch raping us for. we just get it direct from china for $1 . They are like "look we can make lots of mony with crap from china, and not have to supply anything descent" but 2 can always play that same game :-)

Bob

@Psycogeek There's rumors (not sure if confirmed?) that the Chinese gov is subsidising shipment.

I'm inclined to believe that.

Psycogeek

5:06 PM

Look mr CEO and investors, we can buy the same Crap , from china ourselves. Now if you would like to supply something Made In the USA :-)

Then the same should be true for shipping goods out of the US, not that there is anything actually made here anymore :-)

(designed doesnt count)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I've been going through your favourite review site, and I love them :D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: They're an excellent starting point ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just like how they view Beats :P

Pretty much "anything else"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Yup ;p

Psycogeek

But what i am saying is Distance wise , it is as far from china to the us as it is from the us to ship to Au. The fact that most of the products are just making a big global circle to get to you Well :-)

There must be more to the rediculous shipping pricing to there than that. and it aint like your 400 miles down a dirt street, or should be suplimenting that, any more than here having to pay a "rural" fee for stuff that is 10 miles down a dirt road.

Rural fees for UPS can increase the cost of a package about $15 to get it to some way out of the way location , that has minimal other pagages going the same route. How would they justify leaving something like a amazon warehouse to the fully metropolitan areas of another country?

Amasing to read that the "Pony Express" delivered stuff from one end of the US continent to the other in only 10 days . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_Express they must have had an Alien shuttle , because they didnt have airplanes even :-)

Nate Kerkhofs

5:37 PM

Australia has 22 million inhabitants. there are cities in other parts that have more population than that. Yet, it's 15,000 KM from Europe and America. that "400 miles down a dirt street" analogy isn't that much different

I imagine that UPS probably wouldn't deliver to the ISS either

even though that's only a few hundred miles away

Bob

@NateKerkhofs This has absolutely nothing to do with delivery fees/distance and everything to do with price gouging. See above re digitally-delivered services and it being cheaper to import privately from another country's retail price.

Nate Kerkhofs

You're trying to get a headset delivered, not a song by celine dion

Bob

Now, there's also some shops charging >$80 shipping for a USB cable. That's also rather ridiculous, but I accept that they can use distance as an excuse.

@NateKerkhofs No. Not at all.

I can get a headset delivered. Would cost maybe 50 USD buying at the US RRP.

But the local RRP is more like 80 USD.

Nate Kerkhofs

logitech.com/en-au/product/stereo-headset-h390 wasn't that what caused this discussion about Australia?

Bob

1 hour ago, by Bob

25 USD on Amazon. They don't ship directly here (probably under some licensing agreement...), but these things are usually ~$10 shipping from Amazon, or $20 parcel forwarding. Add 10% GST, comes to 50 USD.

The point is their local RRP difference far exceeds anything that can be reasonably explained by shipping fees, taxes, etc..

Nate Kerkhofs

5:42 PM

Let's take a step back. What is it that you want to buy in Australia that is so expensive?

Bob

...

The only reason I posted that was to point out/rant about the excessive local RRP.

Nate Kerkhofs

It costs 43.50 EUR for me to send a package from Belgium to Oz

that's a 2 kg package

Bob

Great. That's relevant how?

Nate Kerkhofs

using the national postal service

to indicate that shipping does take a huge part of the price

Bob

It costs me something like $100 to send the same to the US. Again, irrelevant.

Because it costs something like $20 the other way around.

Nate Kerkhofs

5:44 PM

Aren't the australian paychecks also a lot higher?

Bob

And personal postage costs do not represent mass shipping costs.

58 mins ago, by Bob

You can say all you want about wage differences, etc., but even that doesn't account for this large of a difference in final price.

Nate Kerkhofs

It's a combination: shipping, wages, higher petrol costs,...

it can't explain everything probably, but it all factors in

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Please stop spouting the same stupid excuses these companies use.

Nate Kerkhofs

What should I be telling you then? that australia should have half the price for double the product?

Bob

We have local retailers grey importing the same goods, while paying all taxes and the same wages, for about the same price as overseas RRP.

I've already addressed all this above.

And I pointed out digital delivery methods as a completely undeniable example of said price gouging.

Nate Kerkhofs

5:47 PM

I think part of the reason is also that AUD used to be weaker compared to now, and the prices haven't caught up yet

Bob

The companies set RRP outrageously high, far higher than it is overseas.

Nate Kerkhofs

or is that completely wrong?

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Completely wrong.

Back in 2012/2013, AUD was at parity with USD for a while.

Nate Kerkhofs

I'm not talking aobut 2012/2013, I'm talking about 2008

years ago

Bob

Prices didn't go down at all. Now? AUD is back to 0.8 USD. Again, doesn't account for that much of a difference.

@NateKerkhofs That's 7 years ago. At that point, it's not a matter of "catching up". It's a matter of companies simply charging more because they can.

Nate Kerkhofs

5:49 PM

I'm not an economics major, I don't know what caused it.

if you really want an unbiased an impartial reason, you should go and talk to one

Bob

@NateKerkhofs I already know the reason. It's also pretty common knowledge here.

7 mins ago, by Bob

The only reason I posted that was to point out/rant about the excessive local RRP.

Nate Kerkhofs

so what is the reason?

Bob

@NateKerkhofs Reread a couple of my messages. I must've repeated it half a dozen times by now...

DragonLord

6:16 PM

sigh

This leaves me with a very sour taste.

Psycogeek

@DragonLord hey (assuming i dont know what went on) do you think he applied scripting? and Arentcha glad we didnt hire him for our site too :-)

Commnity census could be concidered a misnomer , this "community" that participates in meta, and gather around nuking posts, is the "very active users" a small subset of very active users, are not the whole of the community.

If you could somehow bring in ALL the people who actually make up the community, the stupid questions, that there would be no rep if they were not asked. the thousands of smaller users who contribute in only small ammounts. Plus all the people who left Specifically stating what they hated about the place. They would have a different opinion.

What is the "community" in the opinion of "metas" is the people left who actually enjoy beating people down, closing questions, and restricting the contenst of the site , to what is deemed "quality" LOL which is little more than a cloned wiki.

The people who for some reason, thier keyboard does not come with a back button, and who take great joy in Destroying what was "good" stuff 5 years ago, and brought most of the people thier rep to being with.

The people that live in these metas, suffer from the 8 sins , the 8th being they really have no other life :-)

They believe they represent the whole, but are as much on the opposide sides of the "community" the one that never stays and keeps leaving, as if they were on one side of the great wall of china, and cannot even (any more) see who what or even how the people on the other side of the wall live.

Mokubai

6:36 PM

@DragonLord What you have to keep in mind is that as far as SE is concerned mods should not be taking out the garbage, they are and always have been exception handlers. If you want to be a mod just so you can single handedly "clean up" the site and delete all the old rubbish and close all the off-topic questions, then you want to be a mod for the wrong reasons.

DragonLord

@Mokubai I understand. However, the evidence points to HopelessN00b not having been properly advised as to the real reason this was a bad idea.

Possibly intentionally.

Mokubai

He may not have been warned close to the time, but he was warned quite clearly about that behaviour in the comments left in the election phase.

tereško

quick hardware question:

Psycogeek

did you see noobs platform in the SU elections? He was running for Gingas Kahn. Although as a side note, his Q&As are usually good, and his paths of destruction appeal to the imperialists

tereško

overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-272-EA or overclockers.co.uk/… ?

Mokubai

6:45 PM

@tereško Personally I think Nvidia kick arse.

Games that support Physx look so much nicer

@tereško the Nvidia comes out faster: videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3116&cmp[]=3114

Psycogeek

@tereško why are they both called stream processors (really important to render speeds) when nividia used to call them cuda cores and you could not compare cudas to streams because it was apples and oranges.

DragonLord

@Mokubai, I don't want to keep these accusations publicly visible, can you delete the two linked comments above?

tereško

@Mokubai did you actually looks at the cards: thos are custom ITX ones

your benchmarks are about stock

Mokubai

@tereško Are the clocks significantly different in either case? I can't really tell

tereško

sigh

Mokubai

6:52 PM

2 messages deleted

DragonLord

Thanks.

Mokubai

@tereško I can't see any real reason why being ITX would result in them being any significant amount different from stock cards in terms of performance. the 960 should be quite cool compared to the 7-series cards for similar performance. The main difference looks (to me) to be a wider heatsink/fan assembly to cater for a more compact cooling assembly.

Psycogeek

@tereško and the issue is going to be about cooling , and noise, the nvidia is clocked high, and the ati is clocked normal ?? isnt it The ATI shows a much higher power desire, how much of that is true ?

Mokubai

@tereško The 960 has a TDP of 120 watts while the R9 has a TDP of 190Watts (according to the pages you linked) so the 960 will have better performance and run cooler.

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