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12:57 AM
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Q: Moving /storage/sdcard0 from NAND to a removable MicroSD card: will it break anything?

unforgettableidBackground information I own a Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G running Android 4.1.2. It comes with 8 GB of built-in NAND flash, which is almost full by now. Luckily, it also has a MicroSD card slot. My carrier doesn't offer handset subsidies. I hope not to have to upgrade to a new phone before th...

I asked the above question on Android.SE about a week ago, and it still has no votes, no comments, and no answers.
Any thoughts?
 
@unforgettableid: errrrr
Sounds slightly dangerous.
but not sure.
 
@JourneymanGeek Might be dangerous? Why? What could be the risks?
 
Might break your entire system?
;p
I donno.
 
On ancient Android devices, /storage/sdcard0 was an actual MicroSD card.
It's only on more-recent devices that the content of /storage/sdcard0 is stored in NAND.
 
What's stored on sdcard0?
 
1:03 AM
General user data.
 
Documents, photos, music, videos, downloads...
 
Bob
@unforgettableid You're better off just using one of the app2sd apps to move things to the external card
don't bother with trying to pretend it's the internal
that's got a lot of opportunity for breakage
If you had Android 6.0 it also has better internal/SD unity
 
@MichaelFrank Stuff which is stored in /data is easily accessible only to the app which saved it. If you try to view /data using a file manager such as OpenIntents File Manager, it'll tell you "access denied", unless you've rooted your phone.
@MichaelFrank However, stuff which is stored in /storage/sdcard0 is accessible to all apps -- including file-manager apps.
 
@DragonLord Should be fine assuming the OS can handle the symlink then, I guess?
 
1:07 AM
@Bob You mean to move apps (but not /storage/sdcard0) to the removable card?
 
Bob
yes
 
@Bob Apps are normally stored on NAND for security reasons.
 
Bob
...and?
 
If you move the apps to a FAT32-formatted MicroSD card, you lose out on a fair bit of security.
 
Bob
so?
 
1:09 AM
I want security.
 
Bob
reformat as ext3/4 if you really care that much
 
@unforgettableid Super glue the SD card in. ;)
 
Bob
lemme tell you that it's largely pointless
 
@Bob If I reformat the MicroSD card as ext3, might that break anything?
 
Bob
file permissions only make sense in multiuser environments
(or where a file might be owned by root, etc)
but afaik your standard app is just owned by your user
 
1:11 AM
There's a reason why random apps, such as live wallpapers made by some random dude on the Internet, can't read most of /data. For example, my Gmail password might be stored in /data.
 
Bob
and that's not enforced via fs permissions, afaik
 
Android runs almost every app under its own user account.
 
Bob
shrug ok
 
If you install the app "OS Monitor", you can see this for yourself.
And so it's easy for Android to use filesystem permissions to control which apps can read which files.
 
okay, I asked my Android Dev friend if this is a good idea and his exact wording was "lolno you're fucked".
 
1:13 AM
@MichaelFrank Thanks for asking! Why does he think it would break anything?
(By the way, dear all: The question still has no votes. If you think the question is a reasonable one, please upvote it.)
/me goes to hang up laundry
 
@unforgettableid I'll see what he says...
 
1:34 AM
@JourneymanGeek - qasdfdsaq went out of his way to indicate "I was wrong" in at least 2 questions today in both cases they were 30+ day old questions and/or comments
I also just by chance received 3 downvotes without a single comment to answers that were accepted but that could have been anyone
 
@Ramhound: Yeah, I noticed the drama
I can't really check if its serial downvoting or just normal downvoting with that tho
I'll keep an eye out and have a word with him if this keeps happening.
 
No indications of downvoting from qasdfdsaq.
 
to be honest, its pretty hard to tell, even with mod tools.
If its serial its automatic.
 
1:50 AM
I tried avoiding but in the interest of sharing correct information I expanded my thoughts, when I though to much drama existed, I indicated I respected his opioion my not so sutle way of well that is clear
Don't open that can of worms :$ he is bet opionionated about me has some unique thoughts on me
Problem is just 3 votes won't trigger the reversal
 
@DragonLord for crying out loud. DO NOT THREATEN PEOPLE WITH SUSPENSIONS.
You're not a mod. Mods do not threaten people with suspensions either.
 
@JourneymanGeek Can you remove the earlier comment about this, too?
 
If we must we do it.
 
@JourneymanGeek: Send me a mod message.
 
Nope
Its taken care of.
 
1:54 AM
@JourneymanGeek: Suspend me.
This is abusive.
 
I see no point in sending a mod message when I've already yelled at you
 
sigh
I have a long way to go before I'm mature enough to take any sort of leadership position.
I guess I shouldn't run in the next election, no matter how high my reputation is or how many flags I have.
 
So here's the thing. I'm mad at you. I'm not going to consider suspending you till I'm not mad at you.
 
Apr 28 at 1:04, by DragonLord
You can have a thousand spam flags, 100k reputation, and a hundred gold badges and still be a bad mod.
I suppose this was a one-off mistake. Lesson learned, but I seriously doubt I'm ready to become a mod at any point in the near future.
 
Nope, you're not.
 
1:57 AM
What do I need to change?
I'm ready to do anything.
 
lol
Are you?
 
Yes, no matter how hard it is.
 
You're basically constantly demanding attention
stop that first. Things get easier.
 
One has not be able to put their emotion in nuetral to be a good moderator. While I am a good leader I don't have that skill, nor do I have the ability, to learn it.
But you might be able to
 
1:59 AM
@Ramhound "has not"?
 
I do get mad.
 
@Ramhound No, it's not impossible.
 
Putting your emotions on neutral is hard
 
Anything can happen. You're never too old to change.
 
however choosing not to act at the heat of the moment is good
I've never suspended someone angry
 
2:00 AM
@JourneymanGeek Just suspend me.
Ignore emotions.
 
(I've on occasion told another mod "hey, I'm pissed at this guy, I need a cooler head, could you take a look?")
 
I see the world In black and white. The world to me is immobile in other words the rules are the rules.
 
I don't care if I'm gone for a year.
I can't contribute sanely.
 
I learned way to much about me doing a comparison to other cultures
 
Well, we talked about this idea a while back...
Oct 14 at 7:11, by DragonLord
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStoic
This is still my end goal.
Oct 14 at 7:15, by DragonLord
I've experimented with this a few times. When correctly implemented, the difference is dramatic.
 
2:02 AM
So, here's how it goes. You're a pain but there's nothing in the suspension list that warrants a suspension that I see works.
 
@JourneymanGeek: Put me in the penalty box for 48 hours.
For the sake of the community and the moderator team, do it.
I just gave a saner response to qasdfdasq:
@qasdfdsaq: I'm concerned about your repeatedly telling Ramhound that he's incorrect. If you have a grievance with him, please come to chat and discuss it with us. Thanks. — DragonLord 33 secs ago
Come to think of it, I don't think I should be in the penalty box. It's something that will draw a lot of scrutiny and would prove counterproductive.
@JourneymanGeek, sorry about this.
 
I will be sure not to be around for that. I don't need to hear anything he/she has to say
 
I'm going to make a commitment to be a better contributor.
 
Already stressed about my transfer....
 
@Bob Re. banggood, geekbuying, ibuygou, etc.:
I like to buy gadgets on Ebay. You can spend less money; and, if you know how to properly read a feedback score and the Detailed Seller Ratings, you can buy from a seller who ships fast and reliably.
(Keep in mind that "98% positive feedback" is not a good score. I suspect it's well below average.)
 
2:07 AM
@DragonLord: I'm going to hit the suspension button
ARE YOU SURE?
 
No, please don't
@JourneymanGeek: I know what I've done wrong.
 
@DragonLord: Mod message sent.
The next request to be suspended may be entertained.
 
in Ask a Super User Moderator, Jan 24 at 3:42, by random
You're in some kind of "full on" election mode setting. And time is just on the other side waiting to see when you're going to snap from stressing yourself out
...and I think I'm dangerously near the breaking point.
 
So.
Log out.
 
Hopefully, I can bring this under control.
 
2:13 AM
Its the same as suspension, and dosen't need us to baby you.
 
(:24839773 How did you ask your Android-developer friend about my question? Did you ask him in person, or using some sort of electronic communications?)
@MichaelFrank: ^
 
Bob
@unforgettableid Feedback score & DSR tells you nothing about fakes.
Xiaomi products are faked a lot.
 
@Bob Fair. The last time I bought a MicroSD card, I bought it online from my country's Walmart website. That way I wouldn't have to worry about running fake-flash-testing software, which I would do if I had bought it from Ebay.
Also, the last time I bought a cellphone on Ebay, I considered buying from a seller named "directbuywireless". But, some buyers left feedback which said that the "new" phones which this seller sold were actually refurbished.
This is just another data point suggesting that certain kinds of fraud may not noticeably affect a seller's feedback score.
@DavidPostill:
You wrote, above:
> No response at all is common for job applications. I would say I only get a real reply 10% of the time. It's very depressing.
@DavidPostill I thought standard practice was to follow up with the employer some time after sending your resume.
This shows that you really do want the job. Also, employers lose resumes in piles of papers all the time.
 
Bob
s/piles of paper/the bin/
s/lose/"lose"/
 
:)
Also, statistics show that sending out resumes is one of the worst ways to look for a job.
There exist far better ways.
See this by Richard Nelson Bolles, or his other book What Color Is Your Parachute.
He collects up the statistics and reports on the best ways to look for work.
 
2:31 AM
@unforgettableid I asked him over FB messenger. He reckons that there's a good reason the standard shell won't let you move the directory. Obviously rooting comes with pitfalls.
 
@JourneymanGeek: Replied to mod message.
I'm very sorry about this.
 
@DragonLord: Quite honestly, the mod message is mainly so we have a 'paper' trail in case this happens again
 
@MichaelFrank It's true that the permissions on /storage/sdcard0 are so strict that you must root the phone in order to move the directory.
But maybe this is just because Google never even considered the idea that someone might want to move it.
Most people who fill up their entire phone probably do so using photos/music/video, which are easy to move to a MicroSD card. Not using apps and other user data, which are not so easy to move.
 
@unforgettableid That's not the permissions doing that. The non-root shell doesn't have a mv command.
 
It's time to move forward. If I'm to be a good leader for the community, I have to learn to stay calm.
Aug 16 at 0:53, by DragonLord
> Bill has been the archetype for what a moderator on Stack Exchange should be. His patient, fair and calm demeanor even in the face of criticism is legendary; his diligence and skill in handling the numerous difficult problems that face Stack Overflow users are inspiring. For the past 6 years, Bill has been an example for new moderators to follow, his impressive record a lofty goal to strive for.
 
2:45 AM
whats faster, extrnal RAM or the CPU cache
 
Effective immediately, I'm going to be making major changes aimed at addressing self-control issues that have repeatedly cropped in this chat room. My focus will be on being a calm and stoic person at all times, never losing control of myself, so that I can always act in a constructive and controlled manner even under the difficult conditions. I will not let anything like this happen again.
@JourneymanGeek ^^^
No plans to leave the site for the time being, but the pace of contributions may slow down noticeably for the next several weeks ("6 to 8 weeks") as I try to ensure I'm always under control.
 
im calm unless win7 tries to delete my hard work
 
@RecycleBin He's not talking to you, don't worry.
 
Yeah
 
Let's move forward.
 
2:50 AM
soo I may create a ramdisk
 
@DragonLord I think it might pay for you to downgrade StackExchange to something less like a job or obligation and back to just being a hobby. It's obvious you care for the site, which is awesome, but the rate at which you seem to burn out is incredible.
 
@allquixotic: Read the chat log starting here, I lost my temper again. This time, I wound up with an official moderator message and nearly got myself suspended.
 
@RecycleBin the CPU cache is faster (more MB/s throughput and lower latency) than every part of your system except for the CPU registers
 
oooooh
rufus will make windows 2 go sticks.
 
its only like 8mb though
 
Bob
2:53 AM
@RecycleBin 8MB is a lot
Consider a single register stores 4B (8B on x64)
 
Note that, on Android 6.0 "Marshmallow" and higher, mv is no longer part of Toolbox: it's instead part of Toybox cp.c.
@MichaelFrank I just tested it on a non-rooted device running Android 4.1.2 plus jackpal.androidterm. I found that /system/bin/mv indeed exists (it's really just part of /system/bin/toolbox) and works fine.
 
isn't toybox the non gpl busybox clone?
 
Indeed.
 
@JourneymanGeek Non-GPL as in Apache-licensed?
 
0-clause BSD.
Toybox now ships as part of Android 6.0.
w00t
 
2:55 AM
I thought AOSP was licensed under the Apache License.
 
^ what @unforgettableid said.
 
@unforgettableid Oh, cool.
 
@DragonLord: busybox and the android kernel are gpl tho
 
the 81650ZQ finally arrived... slight downer that I can't create a JBOD spanned volume as maxCache, and I can't have multiple logical volumes as maxCache either, so I can't use 100% of my SSDs as maxCache. But! I can use all of the 128 GB, half of the 256 GB, and 128 GB of the 1 TB SSD as maxCache in RAID-5, and it'll support read and write with 256 GB of usable cache space. (just to use nice round numbers; in practice it's some weird arbitrary number)
 
yes GPRs and SFRs are a byte wide
 
2:56 AM
@DragonLord Android includes parts which are released under licenses other than the Apache license. Such as Toybox. And, as JourneymanGeek mentioned, such as the Linux kernel.
 
then I created a JBOD spanned array with the remaining storage from the 256 and the terabyte
 
Huh.
 
@allquixotic o0
 
The cache is itself a RAID array? How interesting...
 
@DragonLord AOSP is an umbrella of so much existing FOSS from all different sources; there's probably components in there with the WTFPL, the 3-clause BSD, the Apache license, the 2-clause BSD, LGPL, GPLv2... probably everything except GPLv3/AGPLv3 since the patent clauses would drive Sammy and Moto crazy
 
2:58 AM
s/moto/lenovo
 
Bob
@RecycleBin They're a word wide. On x86-32 that's 4 bytes. On x86-64 that's 8 bytes.
 
Linus has intentionally avoided GPLv3 for the Linux kernel because it imposes too many restrictions.
 
huh arnt they 8 bits wide
 
@DragonLord yeah... if you want your maxCache to only be a read cache, you can use non-redundant RAID levels like RAID0, but it requires some kind of redundancy, be it RAID1, RAID1E, or RAID5, if you want to use it as a write cache.
which makes sense, because if you use it as a write cache and an SSD fails, you lose data, and you have to hope and pray that NTFS will be able to recover
 
3:00 AM
@allquixotic That's kinda weird.
 
but with redundancy you're fine
 
I've never worked with an enterprise-grade RAID card of this sort.
 
Bob
@RecycleBin Maybe on an 8-bit AVR micro.
 
the JBOD limitation and the inability to just dedicate all of the three oddly-sized SSDs to caching is kind of a downer for me, but it's not that bad
I'm going to use about half of the usable space for write cache, so that's around 128 GB ish of write cache... at thousands of IOPS instead of about 100
and the other half will eventually store a lot of system files as read cache, for fast booting
flash module is installed and works... its temp limit is 50 C, but it's sitting around 26 C
 
Once again, you're supposed to actively cool the card.
 
3:02 AM
if I had multiple identical SSDs then maxCache would be perfect, but as it stands it's kind of wonky
 
Bob
@allquixotic You want me to ship you an SSD? :P
(They're actually probably cheaper here for now.)
 
@Bob well, we could trade... I'd like to keep the terabyte 850 pro, but I could send you the Sandisk 256 GB (brand spankin' new, barely used) and the 128 GB 850 Pro (was in my laptop as the primary drive, and only did some word processing and coding on it for about a few hundred hours total)
 
The card will start beeping if it overheats.
 
a second 850 Pro 1 TB would fit the bill perfectly
then I'd have RAID1 terabyte maxcache
 
Bob
@allquixotic 500 GB Crucial SSD is going for 129 AUD here (after voucher)
 
3:04 AM
I'd have to send you the 128, the 256 and some money
how much is the Samsung 850 Pro 1 TB?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Probably a lot.
eBay is running a "spend >$200 w/ click&collect and get a $100 voucher"
 
@allquixotic: This may be difficult because Bob is in Sydney, Australia.
 
@DragonLord yeah, it would be debatable whether the shipping and import duties would exceed the cost savings of having the upfront cost of the drive lower in Australia vs the US
 
@DragonLord I'm sure he's aware :P
2
 
Bob
@allquixotic actually no import duties :P
at least not going my way. dunno about yours
145 AUD for a 850 EVO 500GB
 
3:07 AM
also, wtf happened with Verizon LTE? anything in the news?
because suddenly I'm pulling over 3 MB (capital B) at a pretty close to peak hour of the day
I've downloaded over 3 GiB of a game patch since I started talking in here this evening less than an hour ago
 
@allquixotic Why can't you just install a case fan instead?
 
I literally am actively cooling it
 
lol
 
lol
 
@DragonLord because the case fan is, uh, not working :S and figuring out how to make it work is on my to-do list this weekend
love that new Belkin power strip so much (the one on the left)
 
3:10 AM
I hate the idea of water/oil cooling a pc
 
Bob
@allquixotic 850 Pro 1TB is 694 AUD before voucher, 594 AUD after
the previous 15%/20% off sales would've been better
 
even if it works
 
removed a non-surge-protected 6 outlet nameless white label power strip with a heavily surge suppressed Belkin 12 outlet, and removed an extension cord and bunch of extra wires in that area
 
its just so gamers with their blingy neon incrusted desktop can show off
 
Bob
@allquixotic Heh, I picked this up recently
 
3:12 AM
lol
 
@Bob with the voucher, it's three USD cheaper than at Amazon, and about $35 cheaper than at Newegg, but when you add in AUS shipping, Amazon with Prime shipping is still the cheapest solution
 
@RecycleBin: I considered self contained water cooling since its easier to clean than a heatsink.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Ouch :P
(It's a much larger proportion of the price with the cheaper SSDs.)
 
how are you meant to unplug hardware
 
I'm all tapped out on discretionary spending for now, so I'll see how the RAID5 maxCache works, do some IOPS tests and stuff
 
3:14 AM
its like a pc in a fishtank
 
on the plus side, the release of the 2 TB 850 Pro cut the 1 TB prices by about $200
 
@RecycleBin: self contained water cooling's pretty simple
its a waterblock, flexible cables and a radiator
not much trickier than bulky aircooling.
 
is this the plumbing method
 
nope
for the plumbing method I guess you'd drain the radiator and tubing first
 
A CLLC is not much more difficult to install than a regular air HSF unit.
 
3:19 AM
whats a CLLC
 
@RecycleBin Closed-loop liquid cooler.
 
@RecycleBin Something like this:
No assembly required, just attach to your CPU mount and the exit port on your case.
 
I see
 
@JourneymanGeek, I've learned my lesson after this incident. Going forward, being stoic will be my #1 goal. I will never let myself go out of control again!
 
I thought you was a
moderator
 
3:23 AM
@allq, I'm really sorry to have to say that this happened, and will make every effort possible to ensure I'm always calm, no matter what happens.
32 mins ago, by DragonLord
@allquixotic: Read the chat log starting here, I lost my temper again. This time, I wound up with an official moderator message and nearly got myself suspended.
 
eh but you pm'd me before
 
@DragonLord it's all good -- whatever happened wasn't directed at me, I wasn't involved in it, so I don't think I need to read it or analyze it... fact is you're here and that's good enough for me.... just be easy and enjoy the ride :P
wowza... new record for LTE speeds for me
 
Someday, I'll be able to put on a "poker face" whenever I need to...
 
Always calm, never out of control.
Uh, this needs mod attention: superuser.com/questions/962956/…
 
Bob
3:29 AM
> In regards to data, peak downloads in metro areas averaged 46.4Mbps on the Telstra network, with Optus following on 38.3Mbps and Vodafone on 31.7Mbps. For peak data uploads, however, Vodafone was first, on 19.9Mbps, versus Telstra's 18.7Mbps and Optus' 9.5Mbps.
 
@DragonLord: We're very aware of her
 
@Bob Telstra has about 9 Mbps faster than the peak speed I've ever observed on Verizon LTE, and the Optus is close enough to Verizon here to be a rounding error.
 
is posting links disallowed
 
I wonder how the sustained speeds are.
 
@RecycleBin: she's a spammer, tho a real person
 
3:31 AM
right now I'm jittering in a sin^2 pattern roughly every couple of minutes (probably indicative of some light congestion) between 15 Mbps and 36 Mbps
 
I was waiting for a second post and hitting her with a suspension.
Basically lots of links to the same product = bad
 
oh ok
 
the past couple months my peaks were around 12 Mbps and I was lucky to hit 5 Mbps during peak consumption
either a hundred people moved out or switched carrier in the area, or they massively upgraded my tower
 
is there a GPO to limit instances of a process
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek depending on other contributions of course
 
3:34 AM
@Bob: of course
BUT buuuut
it makes more sense to answer questions about your product than to flog it.
 
win7 sometimes keeps looping opening explorer
 
This is an example of a company representative who contributes legitimately on Super User:
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek iirc people have been warned in the past about answering too many related to their product
 
Actually the best example was a guy who worked for macrium
 
Bob
Damned if you do damned if you don't
 
3:37 AM
@Bob: Lets say I wrote a app. yoyoapp. Its fine if I answer yoyoapp specific questions and properly disclose
as long as its not my only reason to be here.
 
Bob
@RecycleBin at this point I heavily suspect you did something wrong to break the OS
 
WD is mainly good for SSHDs for laptops nowadays :P other than that, better off getting an SSD, or if you need hella capacity, HGST
 
I clicked on a button in explorer
 
Bob
You broke the OS beforehand, most likely
None of what you're experiencing is remotely normal
 
I just love the sound of "SSHD" -- makes me think I'm accessing my disk over SSH
ssh wd1tb@localhost
 
3:39 AM
lol
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek "as long as its not my only reason to be here." See that's the part I don't get
 
I havnt done anything unusual as far as I renember
 
Bob
We don't force most users to branch out
 
Oct 14 at 7:22, by DragonLord
Maximum self-control is the reason I care about being stoic.
The Stanford marshmallow experiment was a series of studies on delayed gratification in the late 1960s and early 1970s led by psychologist Walter Mischel, then a professor at Stanford University. In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards if they waited for a short period, approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester left the room and then returned. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred...
 
Bob
As long as they're good answers why does it matter if they pick specific questions
That's what we all do to an extent
 
3:41 AM
@Bob: Its an interpretation of "If a large percentage of your posts include a mention of your product or website, you're probably here for the wrong reasons. "
 
all my answers get downvoted so I dont bother much now
 
@Bob Yea, I really don't want to have to start answering questions about things I don't know about...
 
Bob
@RecycleBin even something seemingly innocuous like a "registry edit" (probably the biggest cause of weirdness) to installing bad shell extensions
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek and why are they the wrong reasons?
 
3:42 AM
DO NOT TAUNT THE HAPPY FUN BALL registry
 
I understand that lol
 
@Bob: I think it comes down to using the rules intellegently
 
This must be why I'm getting stressed out. I don't have a sense of humor.
 
Bob
Forget who they're employed by. What's bad about answering questions solely within their area of expertise?
 
I mess with vms and break them but not with the host
 
Bob
3:43 AM
Judge an answer on its own merits. Not who the user is.
 
If someone posts good, detailed, specific answers and someone chews them out for answering only on that product... meh, I'll point out its silly.
Typically tho, rules like that are meant to be used on folk who abuse it
 
That user is just someone providing tech support for a company's products. There isn't any overt promotion here. This is okay.
 
in the case of WD, they entirely post support for their product
 
Bob
@RecycleBin I've currently got a completely broken driver store due to a bad driver installation and attempts to fix it
 
no one really seems to mind.
 
Bob
It's pretty easy to accidentally break any OS
 
On the other hand, there's this guy who got suspended on multiple sites for self promotion....
 
yep, changing all the language settings in xp breaks the registry
 
I'm acting like I have a duty to participate on Super User. This is counterproductive.
 
uninstalling ie8 breaks xp sp3
 
3:46 AM
Well, Windows XP tended to pretty fragile. It wasn't built to handle situations like this.
Later versions of Windows are more robust and will typically respond gracefully to situations like this.
 
@RecycleBin this is precisely why I backup before I do anything stupid
 
I think its quite stable myself overall
 
Windows XP is generally very stable but some changes can cause it to misbehave, more so than Windows 7.
 
I get stressed trying to rush my work too much but get down if Im being a slob, its about being in the middle
but I thought you were a moderator?
 
@RecycleBin he isn't an elected mod. He's a high rep user.
 
3:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek 1/5th of a moderator according to Mr Gigawatts.
 
oh ok :)
 
who's Mr. Gigawatts?
 
if an app messes the os up surley thats not user error unless the same user made that app?
 
@allquixotic some guy who hit 3k on so and had delusions of grandeur.
 
lol
 
3:58 AM
Mods are supposed to be calm and patient.
> Our general criteria for moderators is as follows:

- patient and fair
This the exact opposite of who I am.
Major changes are coming to address this; stay tuned.
 
thats seldom what happnes lol
IRC mods are mean!
not always but
 
Jun 2 at 23:08, by DragonLord
@allquixotic I'm starting a massive personal project to overhaul my personal conduct and personality, just as if I was rewriting a major software application. It is my intention that the "DragonLord" you'll see a few months from now will be an entirely different person than the "DragonLord" you're seeing today.
Sorry, I'm in a rush to get to bed tonight. See ya.
 
theres no such thing as perfect moderation
I wouldnt kick yourself too much and night
yeah I hate the way apple portray their products, dishonestly
its not as good as they claim
im completley anti apple!
2
bbl
 
Bob
4:44 AM
@RecycleBin I'm not saying it's completely your fault, but to some extent it's an action you took that led to it
 
Sathya, was this you? " This duplicate is an inconvenience. Can it be removed – Clear question with examples Oct 14 at 18:25 declined - inconvenience to who and for what reason?"
 
Bob
If a user downloads malware it's primarily the malware author's fault but the user shares some blame for doing so, often out of ignorance but sometimes because they refuse to learn
 

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