Root Access

Journeyman Geek

12:12 AM

morning

William Hilsum

1:31 AM

Guess it will change everywhere soon

Mark Szymanski

4:38 AM

Isn't this guy suspended?

Good Doc

1

Also, why is that guy suspended?

nhinkle

5:05 AM

He's been creating a bunch of duplicate accounts @MarkSzymanski, so yes, he is suspended, but that... version... of him was not. Yet.

Mark Szymanski

Ah.

nhinkle

Generally we don't publicly discuss why users are suspended, beyond the information provided on their profile page in the suspension notice.

Mark Szymanski

Oh, ok.

Sorry.

nhinkle

No worries :)

Clippy

Super User Blog: QotW: If a password is compromised, are any similar ones?

Posted by nhinkle on June 27th, 2011

This Question of the Week raises some interesting security implications. With many high-profile sites compromised recently, it’s worth taking a moment to consider the security of your passwords. Michael McGowan asked:

There are a lot of variables in answering this question, but first let’s talk briefly about how passwords are stored. In order for a website to know if you entered the correct password, it needs to somehow store the information to verify that. Poorly designed websites may store passwords in plain, readable text: if your password is hunter2, then it stores the password …

Mark Szymanski

6:05 AM

Is anyone else unable to view their "inbox" on the little "Stack Exhange" dropdown?

Journeyman Geek

6:48 AM

@MarkSzymanski: i was having some issues with it this morning, but it was ok by the time you asked it.

DMA57361

7:22 AM

morning all

Mokubai

@WilliamHilsum Surely that's not the browser "pinging" the site though and is simply a poor method of actually arranging the bookmarks? If you put that as an actual answer I'll upvote it as I can definitely see that a metric truckload of bookmarks could be slow, but I do not think it has anything to do with it actually verifying the site exists for each bookmark.

Sathya

7:37 AM

@MarkSzymanski nope earlier, now sort of.. works

bckbck

8:14 AM

does anyone have any problems with the stack exchange openid? cant seem to log in

Journeyman Geek

anywhere or just chat?

DMA57361

@bckbck like this? -> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/96543/…

William Hilsum

@Mokubai wrote it last night, and yeah, t doesn't ping

I'm confused... I am sure I had more DropBox space, but I can't remember for sure... looks like it has shrunk

bckbck

9:38 AM

@DMA57361 yeah... Actually i wrote that question using my friend's account, because I couldn't login into my account on my MacBook (NOT A SOCKPUPPET)

DMA57361

@bckbck fair enough. And don't worry, we already know all about that sockpuppet army you've got hidden away ;P

bckbck

@DMA57361 I wouldn't bother creating sockpuppets, they are an absolute waste of time. :P

DMA57361

I was only joking anyway :) and yes, socks tend not to last very long around here

tombull89

9:53 AM

We've got a chat room as part of our student VLE...checking the chat logs make my eyes bleed.

DMA57361

@tombull89 dare I ask how so? :/

tombull89

it's txtspk to the extreme.

DMA57361

lovely :S

Sathya

oh dear

tombull89

I know you can't buy SE licences...what about the chat engine?

Journeyman Geek

9:57 AM

@tombull89: eh just use irc ;p

@bckbck: tsk tsk. no secondary logon?

DMA57361

@JourneymanGeek IRC? ick... that's so Web 1.0 :P

bckbck

@JourneymanGeek nope, because I made a whole lot of mess using my google openid and wasting a lot of Jeff Atwood's time

Journeyman Geek

@DMA57361: until someone writes a clone of SE chat ;p

tombull89

IRC? -_-

(this hooks in AD so we know who the kids are)

Journeyman Geek

... KIDS THESE DAYS...

tombull89

9:58 AM

which I don't think IRC would do.

Journeyman Geek

AD?

tombull89

Active Directory, Server 2008 logins/domain.

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: you could do that with the right services

the trick is getting scrollback to show

tombull89

The FROGBox (VLE Server) is running a Linux Distro and I think it's fairly locked down. I can embed chat paged/HTML so that's where I was going along.

Journeyman Geek

but... its.. not irc. and as such, not 1337 ;p

tombull89

10:03 AM

hah. I quite like the SE Chat engine but I think it would cost more that the school could afford.

DMA57361

@JourneymanGeek I'm coming to believe that being 1337 is rarely a good thing anymore :P

Journeyman Geek

blah ;p

DMA57361

lol, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy

Journeyman Geek

er.. i'm using irc. I definately AM old and grumpy.

bckbck

I've never used IRC, lol

DMA57361

10:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek yes, well IRC is pretty old nowadays, eh? ;P

tombull89

I've used Mibbit for a few things, Minecraft IRC.

Journeyman Geek

@bckbck: neither have most people ;p

@tombull89: eh. xchat for me, i use the wdk version with a crapload of ugly hacks...

(uptime done via batchfile.. a sysinfo script someone hacked together...)

bckbck

oooh, I just ssh'd into my classmate's macbook

Journeyman Geek

...

fun ;p

bckbck

yea

what commands can I do...

Journeyman Geek

10:11 AM

easy password?

wall?

bckbck

nope

school generic password per level

Journeyman Geek

...

bckbck

they stored it in the NVRAM

Journeyman Geek

schools in singapore now give students macbooks?

bckbck

nope.

some schools

Journeyman Geek

10:12 AM

lol

not the sort i went to i hope

tombull89

get it to play nyancat >:-D

Journeyman Geek

<- ACS old boy , other than JC

tombull89

loud.

Journeyman Geek

oh yes! Nyancat!

bckbck

ooh

ok

tombull89

10:13 AM

(Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any future beatings due to this prank)

bckbck

heheheh

Journeyman Geek

/me notes. there's TEN empty "discussion between-..."chatrooms on SU ._.

bckbck

curl-ed the sound file into the mac and playing it in an endless loop

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek I was wondering, how long do the "Discussion" rooms hang around for?

DMA57361

@tombull89 I'd imagine they get the same rules as any other room, but I'm afraid I can't remember what they are at the moment

bckbck

10:17 AM

discussion rooms should have a separate section

Sathya

@tombull89 they last till 14 days of no activity, after which they get frozen

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Q: Need some clarification on Windows Phone 7

I'm new to Windows Phone 7, please help me in getting clarification on following. Like with iPhone & android, Is it possible to have our enterprise app store for Windows Phone 7? So that we can use our own app to download\install other apps or uninstall other apps. Is there any built-in MDM...

windows-phone-7 enterprise

I just edited the question and the answers >_>

DMA57361

nice :/

tombull89

Thanks, @Sathya. Would it be better to drop it to 7 days of no activity, chat logs made exportable, then deleted?

Sathya

@tombull89 I'd imagine so. Shouldn't matter really, even if there's no activity for a day, it'll decay off the list of active rooms

tombull89

Ah right, best not to worry unless we get a mass of room created.

Sathya

10:22 AM

yep.

anyhow, those rooms will be few and far between

bckbck

what else can I do while ssh-ing...

any ideas?

Sathya

shutdown -h

tombull89

Does Mac have something called or similar to narrator? get it to say "I can see you" or "I like your shirt"

play wilhelmscream.mp3

Sathya

say blah

LOL :D

DMA57361

O_o whoa, went to suggest an edit on MSO, but didn't realise until after I'd saved it that I can edit directly over there now; caught me by surprise. Still, woo, 2k. :D

bckbck

10:32 AM

should I change the hosts file and redirect websites to superuser.com? XD

Sathya

congrats

only 350 for me to 3k...

DMA57361

@bckbck possibly a radical idea, but have you considered using exit and then maybe telling them about the security hole? :P

tombull89

hah, my M.SO rep: 675, my SO rep: 113...

bckbck

@DMA57361 it isn't really a security hole, but that my school's IT dept actually set the level-wide password as the same password for the EFI open firmware

DMA57361

@bckbck if it lets someone access a machine without authorization, it sounds like a security hole to me

bckbck

10:38 AM

@DMA57361 the school blindly enabled remote desktop and SSH, which they barely use

DMA57361

whether due to incompetence, poor configuration or software bugs it's still a security hole

bckbck

the problem lies with the EFI password, which is stored in the NVRAM and encrypted with Apple's excellent encryption

Journeyman Geek

rot13?

Sathya

rot26

Journeyman Geek

and do it twice to be sure!

Sathya

10:43 AM

;)

bckbck

gtg to buy dinner, brb

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek obligatory The Daily WTF rot26 reference

Journeyman Geek

:)

Linker3000

11:57 AM

-2

Q: Which course certification will be easy to attempt in three days

I assume this is the right platform for this question .My friend needs to complete mandatory certification exams with in 3days to be eligible for next year panel.She works as mainframe developer. Here is the comprehensive list of courses that can be choosed from.Can someone suggest which course w...

certificates

Ouch! Someone's not been planning.

Journeyman Geek

lol

tombull89

"Girls usally mess things and put infront at the last momemt" hmm.

Maybe she could take a time planning course?

Journeyman Geek

eh.. "why downvote? can migrate to an appropriate platform" .... i'm not sure there's one. besides, there's a point to downvoting, isn't there? ;p

Journeyman Geek

12:13 PM

yay, r61 restore disks made from dad's laptop

i need to check if they'll work on my old laptop tho

Sathya

eh

DMA57361

@Sathya uh oh... reproducible here as well

Sathya

home page is fine

not /questions

tombull89

yeah, currently being discussed on M.SO Tavern

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/89/tavern-on-the-meta

Sathya

individual tag pages are fine

tombull89

12:23 PM

dammit @DMA57361, I'm too slow again.

DMA57361

@tombull89 ...?

tombull89

The "possible dupe" for the questions have gone.

EVERYBODY PANIC

.... and it's back

oic

12:24 PM

3

Sathya

lol

DMA57361

oh dear :)

Journeyman Geek

knows where his towel is

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek you beat me to HGttG reference.

Journeyman Geek

:)

Sathya

12:29 PM

yay, <s>school</s> work's out. see ya all later.

Linker3000

@Sathya Bye!

Journeyman Geek

1:02 PM

eh, didn't someone have a boilerplate post for people who had affliation to a product?

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek I've got a stock comment...

Journeyman Geek

good - superuser.com/questions/183914/… second post ;)

hm. and the last one.. and...

we may need to get a mod to look at that ;p

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek Well as "Ariel" has the link to the website in their profile, I'm going to say that's spam too.

also...old posts?

Journeyman Geek

true, this Ariel charecter bumped this up

DMA57361

@tombull89, you should maybe update that FAQ link in that stock comment to superuser.com/faq#promotion

Journeyman Geek

1:06 PM

posted it in the mod room

tombull89

@DMA57361 thanks, I'll do that.

DMA57361

@JourneymanGeek you mean I have to go all the way over there to deal with it? D:

tombull89

How long do you give them before flagging as spam? In fact, does anyone ever come back to change it?

DMA57361

they haven't been seen since April

Journeyman Geek

lol

DMA57361

1:07 PM

I think we can assume they're not coming back to fix anything any time soon

Journeyman Geek

@DMA57361:if you wish ;)

tombull89

Actually, scratch that. "GPN" and "Ariel" are both pushing the same product.

Journeyman Geek

BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN

I think cloudberryman is a real person. the other two stink of bot.

DMA57361

@JourneymanGeek who else is this?

ah yea, I see 'em

Journeyman Geek

GPN and Ariel

DMA57361

1:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah, toasted

Journeyman Geek

blah, i should have flagged them then XD

DMA57361

probably

tombull89

spam or WTF?

-1

A: Is there any way to enable USB boot on a 2005 model laptop?

You should be able to boot from USB. You may need to enter the BIOS when the laptop first starts to enable boot from USB, and of course you will need to format a USB drive as bootable. I was trying to get a USB to boot too, and the harder part for me was getting a program to format the USB driv...

Journeyman Geek

ETF

WTF

Mokubai

1:37 PM

migrate to Mathematics or just close as vague or off-topic?

0

Q: how to convert a 3d polygon surface to a 2d polygon

I have 3d polygon surface which i want to convert to a 2d polygon without changing it shape or size How is this done mathematically? can i have code for converting the coordinates to new ones?

math

I can see how to do it in my head, but I'm sure a full-on mathematician would be able to explain it better. Or it it just someones homework that we're doing for them?

DMA57361

@Mokubai closing as off-topic as per the semi-rule "don't migrate crap"

PriceChild

-1

A: ubuntu clock applet taking 500 mb memory

You've handily covered the "virtual memory" column in your screenshot but nevertheless... I think you're misinterpreting the "virtual memory" column and would be better looking at the "memory" column. As I understand it, the latter is more representative of what is actually being used, wheras th...

Grr what did I do :-(

Mokubai

@DMA57361 fair enough, it did seem a bit ambiguous, vague and not particularly clear

@PriceChild Chances are that most of that 11MB are the shared libraries it need access to in order to just show a window and they would have been loaded anyway. The actual memory it uses on it's own is probably the 100-200kb that the code would take...

But as you say, he nicely hid the actual memory usage

Not sure why the downvote though, it's almost as if you weren't giving him the "Linux SUX" answer he seemed to be expecting

PriceChild

@Mokubai Yup.

@Mokubai Meh that's what's annoyed me. Well not just the downvote but the lack of explanation and the upvoting of his comment. Its useless.

Mokubai

Oh, I've been there... Some of the downvotes are completely pointless, I've had at least one that was simply because I didn't post the same answer as someone else, my solution was still perfectly valid...

PriceChild

1:51 PM

grrrr people, they're all stupid! :-) we should get rid of the lot of them.

Mokubai

Hehe, yep :)

@PriceChild If it were in my power I would force-accept your answer as a) it is almost certainly correct (virtual memory != memory used) and b) the question is stupid and argumentative.

@DMA57361 You closed that question but he's still editing and not really adding anything...

anyway, bbiab

tombull89

@Mokubai Yay! a plz give me teh codez question on SU.

DMA57361

@Mokubai heh, he can edit it all he likes, unless one of the edits is awesome it's not going to make a difference :)

Journeyman Geek

2:51 PM

lol

erf.superuser.com/questions/302844/… hackintosh question...

what question

/\

:)

wut. why no onebox?

;)

2:54 PM

frikking hell.

Journeyman Geek

prolly cause its a ex-question. its pinging for the fjords...

Sathya

need to be on yer toes, @tombull

tombull89

and there was me going to post another question before filing a bug report...

Journeyman Geek

i really need to image this drive if this works ._. IBM/Lenovo/Thinkpad R&R takes more time than clonezilla

hmm

at what point do i know if an OEM restore worked i wonder...

it won't need to activate, right?

PriceChild

3:12 PM

@JourneymanGeek I guess it depends on how the restore works. Wouldn't be surprised if it required it though.

Journeyman Geek

3:23 PM

@PriceChild: seems to be popping a generic install, then running unattended scripts to get it patched up to some point.

its from the same basic model (though, the model i got the disks from was a ... corporate one that prolly dosen't exist) and language, but different countries ;p

PriceChild

@JourneymanGeek That'd suggest to me it almost definitely will require activation then?

tombull89

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Q: How do I overclock a dual core processor?

This is a serious problem. I want to speed up my compilation process. I have never been special fun of overclocking, however time of compilation of my current project makes my crazy! I found information about which parameters I should change during overclocking, which values are quite safe. H...

overclocking

this is a SRS PROBLEM.

Darth Android

SRS BUSNESS

tombull89

also, dupe.

Mokubai

@tombull89 I was just about to mention the dupe...

tombull89

3:29 PM

@Mokubai yeah the one I linked was posted before, so I thought any others would be dupes.

Sathya

3:40 PM

THIS. IS. SEEEEEEEEEEEERIOUS PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 close votes + 4 flags. On ONE question. SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Linker3000

3:52 PM

Sathya

aaaaaaaaaahahahahahah

Linker3000

4:15 PM

SRS?

0

Q: How to prevent a process from executing in bash

The following command has been entered: sleep 12h; nuke-russia It was entered on one of the Debian's ttys. I would like to cancel the sleep without nuking anything. I don't want the nuke command to run for even for a single moment. I have the other five terminals available. What can I do?

bash terminal kill tty

Tom Wijsman

4:32 PM

@DMA57361: How can I invite someone to chat who is not on chat?

DMA57361

@TomWijsman via comments on the main site basically. Mods can "super ping" users, but it's only for use in exceptional circumstances

Neo

could someone tell me where I moved all thos files in this command:find ../* -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}'

what is '{}' ?

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: It's the file that find found.

So whenever it finds a file, it will move it. The file it needs to move is signified by the {}

Neo

ok since there is no second parameter for found where are they gonna go?

they just disappeared?

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: mv will return an error.

And not do anything.

Tom Wijsman

4:39 PM

@DMA57361 But that results in an extra comment, sigh... :)

DMA57361

@TomWijsman afraid so, but if they're not coming to chat after one prompting they're unlikely to do so after several imo

Tom Wijsman

@DMA57361: More specifically, this context. I just want to point out that my comment is so big that it needs 4 comments, I'm not talking to myself at all.

Anyhow, it's flagged for being not constructive...

Neo

@MarkSzymanski tnx, I guess something is wrong cause I was using symlinks. some weird behavior but anyway how do I achive ../* -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}'

right now it wont work it says -bash$ fiker: is a direcdtory

Darth Android

If you don't know what it is you're trying to achieve, I'm not sure we can help you achieve it. What are you trying to do?

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: I have no idea what you're asking. Try actually posting a question on Super User.

Neo

4:44 PM

I just accidently moved everything from one folder into another

Mark Szymanski

The site is there for a reason ;)

Neo

by doing mv -if old/* new/

I will but this is emergency any quick help will be appreciated

I jsut moved files from one virtual host into another

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: What's with the -if? The f will override the i.

Neo

yeah I messed up

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: Just ask a question on the site. There will be tons of more people that can help you there.

Neo

4:46 PM

so now I want every file that was modified in the last 20 minutes back in somewhere else

Darth Android

You want to move all the files modified in the last 5 minutes from a sub directory to the parent directory?

Neo

@Darth yeah

from the parent directory to a sub directory

but this also includes folders

right now when I do ../* -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}' ./

it gives an error for trying to mv folders

Mark Szymanski

mv should deal with directories just fine.

Neo

I added -Rf but it didnt work

-bash-3.2$ ../* -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}' ./
-bash: ../templates: is a directory

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: Possibly because it's traversing back into the current directory, and trying to move the current directory into itself?

@Neo: You kind of need the find command in there.

You can't just type in a folder name and expect bash to know what to do with it.

find .. -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}' ./

And that command isn't even right.

There, fixed it.

You don't want to do ../* with find.

and also you don't want -5...

Or maybe you do?

Anyone here more experienced with find?

Ok, I think you do want -5.

Neo

4:51 PM

@Mark thankyou but trversing was not the problem it was giving an error for moving another folder

let me try the command you wrote

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: The error was because you were just telling bash about a folder. It doesn't know what to do with it. It's just like saying "You just now typed in a folder for me, but I don't know what to do with it, so I'll just tell you it was a folder."

Neo

why not 05 isnt that in minutes, now I'm gonna change it to 20 ofcourse

.

Mark Szymanski

@Neo: Nevermind.

Neo

find: missing argument to `-exec'

Blog bot

Stack Overflow Blog: DevDays is Back!

Posted by Joel Spolsky on June 27th, 2011

Stack Overflow DevDays, the universe’s best conference series for coders, is back, and it’s bigger than ever!

Here’s the idea behind DevDays. You’re a developer. You’d love to learn all the latest hot new technologies. Things like DVCS, HTML 5, Node.js, CSS3, Hadoop, etc. The stuff the cool kids are all talking about on the playground while you’re stuck in the basement somewhere grinding away on Java Enterprise Visual Basic.

The idea behind DevDays is a fast, high-bandwidth, fire hose tutorial on at least ten interesting concepts. We’ll assume that you&# …

Mark Szymanski

5:02 PM

@Neo: You have to terminate the -exec with a semicolon, IIRC, so here's your command:

find .. -mmin -5 -type f -exec mv '{}' ./ \;

tombull89

6:38 PM

@Blogbot BlogBot, why are you upside-down?

Mokubai

@tombull89 As quoted in the linked article: "And, for the first time ever, we’ll be visiting one city in Australia (shown at right), for an antipodean increase of infinity percent."

tombull89

I see. That makes sense now.

Wait, no it doesn't.

Mokubai

They're "down under" or "upside down" and so is the image...

Tom Wijsman

@KronoS: I will delay feedback till later this week, have an exam Wednesday and have been slacking enough already... :)

Mark Szymanski

6:57 PM

@TomWijsman: I don't get why anon users can edit, personally. I think it should be restricted to registered users.

Tom Wijsman

It might make sense to lock the question given the deleted answers...

4

Q: How do I rename a file to .htaccess in Windows 7?

I'm using XAMPP to test a PHP script. Now, in the root of the folder I want to place a .htaccess file according to the requirements of the script. But Windows won't let me rename it to .htaccess. Is there any way to go around it? I'm using Windows 7 RTM.