Root Access

KronoS

12:01 AM

peace out fellas...it's closing time...

BloodPhilia

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Q: Linux connected to network, can't load web pages.

I'm having an interesting problem: My Linux box (Debian) can connect to a network/the internet fine at home and at school, but any new network that I try to connect to doesn't allow me to access the internet. I'm using knetworkmanager to manage my network, and it show's that I've connected to a ...

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Look at the cmments on the answr

nhinkle

1:03 AM

@studiohack, it is an interesting phenomena... there are some people I've hardly seen around recently who've suddenly started participating much more in the past couple days

I wonder if there's any sort of incentive we could use to encourage that increased level of participation all the time

Hopefully when it comes time to vote, people will consider the candidates' broader history, not just what they've done in the past few days

studiohack

1:15 AM

@nhinkle: yes, I agree. I have flagged my observation though, to be removed because I'm also in the running, and it's a "conflict of interest" for me to say that.

nhinkle

@studiohack, who said it's a conflict of interest? Or do you just personally feel that?

KronoS

@studiohack @nhinkle I feel that it really doesn't matter in the long run though...

studiohack

@nhinkle: I personally feel that - observing other users and myself

nhinkle

@studiohack, fair enough

@KronoS, I think you're right about that. I do find it interesting though.

studiohack

I've noticed that even I, when I think about it, find myself motivated to prove myself a lot in this next week...which is not a good thing. @KronoS, @nhinkle

KronoS

1:18 AM

I'm not going to lie... my 'moderation' activity has increased this week... but not becuase I'm gunning to be a mod, but rather actually have the time this week :)

@studiohack i disagree... things like this are meant to be a motivation

studiohack

but they are not a long-lasting motivation @KronoS

lol

nhinkle

I would expect that whoever becomes moderators will be quite motivated to make use of their new powers to help the site

5

studiohack

true dat @nhinkle

KronoS

@nhinkle agreed

nhinkle

Buh. I feel weird writing a nomination for myself

I hate tooting my own horn, even when I feel like it deserves to be tooted :P

KronoS

1:24 AM

ya same here... i actually thought about editing mine but decided against it... if you know who I am and know that I deserve to be a mod then you'll vote for me...

studiohack

@nhinkle: I agree! I would just rather be nominated by someone else...

digitxp

1:43 AM

Say, what about JohnT? Where is that guy?

KronoS

2:30 AM

@digitxp he's really busy with school and work

digitxp

@KronoS I just find it amazing that he hasn't ever asked a question on SU rofl

KronoS

2:53 AM

whoa i didnt know that

Just Jake

3:10 AM

Anyone here an OS X user?

KronoS

@JustJake sorry dude...

Just Jake

no worries, not a pressing issue

KronoS

what is it out of curiosity?

Just Jake

@KronoS I'm trying to set up a daemon user for transmission-daemon

KronoS

nope... can't help for sure

nhinkle

3:15 AM

@mrman is good with OS X, but he's not online right now

Just Jake

@KronoS I think I've got that sorted (OS X uses a command called dscl instead of useradd, ergh) and now I'm trying to get the service running using OS X's alternative to init.d, launchd

KronoS

It's always best when you figure something out yourself. Makes the learning process all the much better

Just Jake

And then I have some problems with Avahi and D-Bus which may be OS X specific

but I don't really care about that anymore

KronoS

lol k

KronoS

3:57 AM

mornin @Sathya

you too @MarkSzymanski

Mark Szymanski

Hehe, evening, @KronoS :P

KronoS

@MarkSzymanski where are you at? state side or UK or india like @Sathya

Mark Szymanski

States, Central. It's 10:00PM for me.

Sathya

hi @KronoS

Mark Szymanski

@KronoS: What time is it for you?

KronoS

4:01 AM

@MarkSzymanski it's 9 for me..

Sathya

evening @MarkSzymanski

Mark Szymanski

@KronoS: AM?

KronoS

How's it going @Sathya

no pm...

Mark Szymanski

Oh.

Sathya

still sleepy :\ though it's 9:32AM

woke up about half hour ago

studiohack

4:03 AM

where are you located, @KronoS

KronoS

AZ

studiohack

somewhere in MST?

oh, smack. you have that on your profile.

Sathya

going through Tom's question.. it was like he was arguing just for the heck of it :\

where are you at @MarkSzymanski

KronoS

@Sathya lol you missed quite the.... debate

Mark Szymanski

@Sathya: AR...

I won't go into a long, drawn out rant about why I'm here and why I want to leave.

:P

But, I will say that I'm from Wisconsin.

studiohack

4:04 AM

no comment. lol

KronoS

what about you @studiohack?

> The Stack Exchange Mountain Range

where's that?

studiohack

its online

Mark Szymanski

TSEMR...

Hehe.

studiohack

maybe you haven't heard of it, but it hosts this site :P

Mark Szymanski

thought there might be some meaning to the acronym :P

studiohack

4:05 AM

what acronym? @MarkSzymanski

Mark Szymanski

TSEMR - The Stack Exchange Mountain Range.

Sathya

to narrow it a bit, @studiohack's from Eastern timezone :P

studiohack

we had a discussion about that, one time @Sathya ;)

Sathya

(I think) :P

studiohack

where did you get the acronym? did you find it somewhere else other than my profile, @MarkSzymanski?

or made it up?

Mark Szymanski

4:07 AM

No.

Made it up XD

studiohack

:P

I like Mountains haha

Mark Szymanski

Just looking for hidden meanings :P

Hehe.

studiohack

wow, you guys are suspicious of my location? any particular reason why? haha lol @Sathya @MarkSzymanski

Mark Szymanski

No. XD

KronoS

more like nosy

Sathya

4:08 AM

@studiohack :P

Mark Szymanski

I wasn't being nosy D:

studiohack

we'll let the matter rest. @alleverybody. :P

Mark Szymanski

xD

It would be awesome if there was actually someone with that username :P

Sathya

hm, @th3dude withdrew his nomination

studiohack

reminds me of some song i heard sometime "you all everybody"

oh how come?

KronoS

4:10 AM

I didn't even know he nominated himself

studiohack

I noticed...

it was really quick though

the number of noms has been @9 all day, or most of

and @the3dude did it earlier today...

Sathya

@nhinkle I've noticed the same

nhinkle

@Sathya, noticed what?

Sathya

3 hours ago, by nhinkle

@studiohack, it is an interesting phenomena... there are some people I've hardly seen around recently who've suddenly started participating much more in the past couple days

nhinkle

ah

studiohack

4:12 AM

yeah. I made an observation, but had it deleted -

seemed like a "conflict of interest" but I already said all that lol

Sathya

@studiohack can you repost & delete it again :P

KronoS

lol

studiohack

like repost for a split second?

and delete within one minute? haha

Sathya

@studiohack not sure why he withdrew his nomination

@studiohack yeah :P

Mark Szymanski

Well, I'm off to bed. Goodnight everyone!

KronoS

4:15 AM

night @MarkSzymanski

Sathya

@MarkSzymanski 'nite

studiohack

night @MarkSzymanski

KronoS

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studiohack

ah thanks for your help @KronoS

KronoS

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Sathya

4:16 AM

@studiohack that's true, but don't see why it deserves to be deleted - your choice anyway :)

KronoS

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Sathya

@KronoS LOL time to change those batteries

KronoS

stupid retry!!!!

studiohack

its more that I don't want someone to take it against me, like accuse me of unfairly observing - I've even noticed myself doing it sometimes

@Sathya @KronoS

KronoS

lol yep

studiohack

4:18 AM

off-topic: superuser.com/questions/235489/…

KronoS

@studiohack like i said earlier... I think it's generally a good thing... some good motivation

studiohack

@KronoS: I agree, yes and no...won't get into that now...

closing comittee :P @Sathya, @KronoS

Sathya

@studiohack I've flagged it, anyways I'll join you guys soon,time to get ready

KronoS

its all good... we've all got oour opinions

studiohack

it's 11:20 EST here...late

bleh lol

KronoS

4:21 AM

It's so nice to have all of us 3k+ users together to get stuff done @Sathya @studiohack

Sathya

good to see @IgnacioVazquezAbrams in here

Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

Hey.

studiohack

do you like being 2 hours behind @KronoS

hey @IgnacioVazquezAbrams

@KronoS, yes, agreed on the 3K+

KronoS

@studiohack what do you mean?

studiohack

in your time zone, you are 2 hrs behind EST

Sathya

4:22 AM

couple of weeks ago, I was Googling for something on Fedora & found @IgnacioVazquezAbrams's post on Fedora mailing list :P

studiohack

@KronoS

KronoS

ya... but I haven't known anything different... so I feel like your two hours ahead of my normal time :P

studiohack

true lol

KronoS

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i wish I had this kind of memory

KronoS

4:41 AM

nite fellas... time to go finish up my last job and then head to bed...

@Sathya if you get the chance check out the newest blog entry and comment/critique/suggest... looking to improve as this is the beggining

that goes for everyone else too...

superuser.blogoverflow.com

Sathya

5:04 AM

@KronoS Well thanks to IvoFlipse we’ve got our answer of the where the traffic came from exactly, but where did it start ===> Well - thanks to Ivo Flipse, we've got out answer to where the traffic came from. But where did it start?

@KronoS The social network is a great place to get and idea ===> ` The social network is a great place to get an idea'

btw, nicely done @KronoS love @Jeff's avatar in that pic ;)

KronoS

5:24 AM

@sathya thanks will make the changes in the morning

Sathya

@KronoS yw

nhinkle

Submitted my nomination

May the best candidates win :)

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Sathya

very nice @nhinkle

btw who are you referring to in the post ?

nhinkle

referring to with what? the guy I helped out?

Sathya

@nhinkle yes

(you can mention and delete it, if you want)

@nhinkle 2 mins

nhinkle

5:33 AM

ok

It shouldn't be a problem, but just in case, I don't want to drag anybody into an argument or bring up previous worries people had.

I think you'll actually be able to see the original post, since you're 10K+... i can't even see the original discussion we had in the comments on his answer

Sathya

@nhinkle I understand :)

nhinkle

lol @Sathya, realize now looking back you commented on it back then, too :P

Also, for what it's worth, I definitely would've nominated you as a mod if we could nominate other people. You'll definitely have my vote :)

Sathya

yeah, I remember that very well

tho gotta say, nicely done :)

nhinkle

well gee, thanks :)

so how's life? what time is it over there in india?

Sathya

@nhinkle life's alright, it's 11:10AM here

nhinkle

5:41 AM

am?

Sathya

@nhinkle yes. waiting for the weekend, have a little getaway planned :)

nhinkle

nice! I can't wait for the weekend, mostly because it means I'll get to sleep

I'm getting kind of sick, so it'll be nice to get some rest

Where are you heading for your getaway?

Sathya

@nhinkle generally my weekends are like sleep, sleep, sleep so this time, it's a welcome change :)

heading to Goa, @nhinkle

Goa

Goa (; ) is India's smallest state by area and the fourth smallest by population. Located in South West India in the region known as the Konkan, it is bounded by the state of Maharashtra to the north, and by Karnataka to the east and south, while the Arabian Sea forms its western coast. Goa is India's richest state with a GDP per capita two and a half times that of the country as a whole. Panaji is the state's capital, while Vasco da Gama is the largest city. The historic city of Margao still exhibits the cultural influence of the Portuguese, who first landed in the early 16th century a...

nhinkle

looks pretty!

hope you enjoy it

Sathya

@nhinkle thanks!

nhinkle

5:47 AM

well then, I should probably get to bed

it's 9:46 pm here

and I've got a microbiology lab in the morning at 9

Sathya

@nhinkle ah, nice. Sleep well! And hope you recover soon

KronoS

wait... I'm interested in the user that you helped too... do you mind sharin @nhinkle

then I'm off to bed as well... lol

nhinkle

@KronoS, just a sec

lemme see if I can find it again :P

let me know when i can delete it

(that's the beginning of the convo, it went on for a while)

KronoS

you should be good now

That's awesome man... cya all later!

nhinkle

Thanks @KronoS

G'night everyone

Sathya

7:44 AM

inherited this SP.. I can't even fathom what the prev dev was thinking when he released it to QA. it's broken at the most basic level

DMA57361

8:10 AM

morning all

@Sathya that doesn't sound positive :/

Sathya

morning @DMA57361

@DMA57361 indeed, to make matters worse, the SP is being called from a report, I have no idea what parameters are being passed to it, much less figure why it's failing.

DMA57361

oh, lovely

Sathya

ugh, dupe. added some debug code, 4 of them are being passed as null :\ and no null handling

DMA57361

lol

Sathya

20-JAN-11 X
         20-JAN-11 X
         International X
         Retail X
         Personal Insurance X
         Personal Property X
         Personal Property X
         Bankers X
         US X
            X
            X
         Personal Property X
              X
          Personal Property ONLY
              X
            2 X
            05 X
            20-JAN-11

'X' separates the parameters

DMA57361

8:14 AM

hmmm... looks... interesting

Sathya

fantastic, the descriptions are passed as parameters , instead of codes :\ that means another trip to db to find the codes & then fetch them. Wonderful

this is a live Daily WTF entry :\

going to have a long afternoon. bb after lunch. Have fun @DMA57361

DMA57361

@Sathya you too

DMA57361

8:39 AM

I can't believe this - superuser.com/questions/235546/run-as-admin-windows-7 - question isn't a dupe, but for the life of me can't find one...

Sathya

@DMA57361 i know, same here

DMA57361

hmm, same situation for this one too... superuser.com/questions/235543/…

Ivo Flipse

If you can't find it, it's differently worded enough to be kept as an open dupe

following Jeff's blog post

DMA57361

very true, it just seems odd that we've not had them before :)

Ivo Flipse

I've always found it worrying that we lack more 'basic' question like that, because there are dozens of users who don't know it and know go looking for it elsewhere

even though the question is completely on-topic here

DMA57361

8:52 AM

that's a good point actually

Ivo Flipse

but I never got around adding those questions myself, because first I thought the system doesn't really let you seed without having to take attribution (and thus rep etc)

and then it's just the mountain of work that is, that just blocks you from ever getting started

DMA57361

hmmm, the 2nd point is unaviodable .... but the 1st could be done via a secondary account, maybe?

Ivo Flipse

well, I recently decided to do what they asked in that blog post: either edit the crap out of a existing question

or simply asking it myself

and the 2nd point is becoming easier if there is fresh blood who makes a start with such things ;)

DMA57361

true

Sathya

9:11 AM

there's no way to add a path to your env. variable w/o Admin privileges, is there ?

DMA57361

not perminantly (that I know of)

but you can use set to temporarily change them for a batch or cmd instance

(there are possibly other methods)

Sathya

@DMA57361 na, not that, I meant for Windows as a whole to recognize it

DMA57361

in which case, not that I know of

Sathya

@DMA57361 that's what I feared :(

DMA57361

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Q: Change environment variables as standard user (Windows 7)

When clicking on "Advanced system settings", I need to login as the administrator and hence only edit the administrators environment variables (in addition to the machine wide ones). How do I edit the environment variables of a standard user? Details With the migration to Windows 7, I decided t...

windows-7 administrator environment-variables standard-user

might be as close as you'll get

Sathya

9:17 AM

@DMA57361 unfortunately, I'm on XP

DMA57361

oh well

Sathya

so both the answers are not applicable, nevertheless, good answers. upvoted them both ( and the question too)

on an unrelated note, Mobile Number Portability was introduced in India today

DMA57361

...which means?

Sathya

which means you can switch from your existing cell phone carrier to another w/o having to change your cell phone number

DMA57361

oh, nice... didn't realise there was a name for that :/

Sathya

9:25 AM

@DMA57361 hehe :)

right, free hour an hour since database is down for replication

DMA57361

"free" as in you get to do whatever you want, or "free" as in you get to finish other "work related" tasks

Sathya

@DMA57361 as in do whatever I want - the schema I'm working on is being replicated so there's nothing work related I can do :P

DMA57361

lol, party time then? ;P

Ivo Flipse

time to win some souls for the next round of the elections then ;P

Sathya

@DMA57361 lol yeah! doesn't affect me much really, since I'm constantly wandering about :P

DMA57361

9:37 AM

fairly standard by now, but still relevant I feel ;P

Sathya

@DMA57361 heh!

Mokubai

You people are making it difficult for me to choose who I'm going to vote for as moderators!

DMA57361

don't worry, I've got the same problem as well...

Mokubai

Too many good choices

Sathya

>>>>>>>>>>> ME! ME VOTE FOR MEEEEEEEEEEE <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

see, I stand out now :P

Ivo Flipse

9:43 AM

I think I'm going to add a comment to those I see fit the last day

then when nobody else can comment anymore, I'll have the last say ;P

Mokubai

Like sniping ebay auctions, but with comments?

Ivo Flipse

yup :D

DMA57361

lol, I did think about that being a potential problem actually - a burst of "this person is rubbish, vote for X" just before the deadline

Mokubai

That could be a fun thing to try, who can get their comments down in the last second

DMA57361

I doubt it'd be a real problem, but still

Mokubai

9:45 AM

Bonus points for the most hilariously inappropriate comments...

Ivo Flipse

well some users are more fit than others, as random said on MSU

and if regular users can't tell the difference, I'll have to tell them what the difference is

DMA57361

what the ... I've just realises that (in IE7) the "copy shortcut" option on the right-click menu for links is really "copy URL"... I've been doing it the long way ...

Mokubai

I have my preferences for mods, but I'm afraid my choices may not be completely informed... I'm curious what your opinions are @IvoFlipse

Ivo Flipse

I understand @Mokubai, but I have to think about how I proceed with this

I don't want to seem favoring users

and I don't want to anger those that don't get my recommendation either

DMA57361

it is somewhat of a delicate balance you need to keep

Mokubai

9:51 AM

Good old politics, that fine balancing act...

DMA57361

possibly we do need something link the MSO stats for SO? something that's entirely objective?

Ivo Flipse

as an example: its important to leave comments when you for instance downvote, vote to close, or do general moderating actions. BUT it's not just the act of commenting that decides whether you're doing the right thing, it also has to be a polite/civilized comment.

DMA57361

(* although, that said, objective as the stats are the meaning is subjective on how each person interprets them, I suppose )

Mokubai

Aye. They do, to an extent, have to be judged not just by their "score" but by how they handle the community as a whole

Ivo Flipse

the same can be said for voting. It's good to vote to close, but what percentage of your close votes result in an actually closed question? If that percentage is too low, it shows that people disagree with your judgement too often

Mokubai

9:54 AM

As a mod you can see those stats?

Ivo Flipse

sadly that stat isn't available anywhere, but my point is: there are users who are useful for locating trouble, but who shouldn't be the judge of things

whereas other users are helpful, patient and more levelheaded, who are better in judging those cases for what they are and take appropriate actions

the latter is who should be made a moderator

the former would either enrage users or burn out, because he feels an urge to close everything that's slightly off limits, draining his energy in a couple of months (trust me ;) )

Mokubai

Aye, I suspect I would fall into the "bad moderator" category, either that or bug the other mods by constantly double checking these things.

Ivo Flipse

well, like you said it's a fine balance

it's not black and white that every user is always one or the other

Mokubai

Oh, I just noticed that ChrisF hadn't nominated himself, I kind of thought he would be in the running.

Ivo Flipse

I actually wanted him to be elected last time together with Gnoupi

now we lost him to Web Apps and Programmers

Mokubai

10:00 AM

Ahhhh

Ivo Flipse

I don't envy him that's for sure

but @Mokubai, know that all the help with moderating is appreciated, even the overzealous kind, because most of the time it's being balanced by requiring peer review anyway

so no need to hold back :)

Mokubai

Aye, I'm happy helping the community however I can, it's nice that the users can be like "mini-mods" to at least make your jobs easier.

Well, slightly easier...

Sathya

@Mokubai well he did mention he'd rather be nominated than put in a self nomination

Mokubai

@Sathya I can see why he'd prefer it to happen that way

It'd almost be nice to have a "blind" nomination phase where users nominate the mods, and the results are only seen at the end of it so that they're effectively voted for by the people they've helped and by their peers, rather than stepping forward and "pressing the flesh" to get votes

Sathya

argh, why do I keep getting logged out every few minutes

Ivo Flipse

10:13 AM

well the idea behind elections without a campaign is somewhat hilarious off course

Sathya

@Mokubai that used to be the case

Mokubai

Though most of the people on the list would have gotten my votes anyway...

Ivo Flipse

I mean how are users expected to 'gather' votes?

I guess by writing the best nomination... :\

Sathya

.. till the nomination posts would contain "I'm not interested" et al

@IvoFlipse well you can say that writing your own nomination.. is kinda like campaigning

Ivo Flipse

hmmm that's interesting, we should assemble a list and have each nominee answer those questions

they have to answer them in their nomination

Sathya

10:15 AM

@IvoFlipse similar approach is there in math.se

Ivo Flipse

exactly

Sathya

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Q: List of questions for candidates in 2010 moderator election

This thread is opened for questions addressed to (all) the candidates in the December 2010 moderator election. If questions are kept simple enough they can be answered fully in the comments, and doing so would reduce the tendency for pre-election voting on the candidates rather than their comm...

discussion moderators election big-list

Mokubai

@IvoFlipse "What is your name?" "What is your favourite colour?" "What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?" type questions?

Damn, now I've got to watch that film.

Ivo Flipse

sorry you forgot to specify what species of unladen swallow as there are 26 different known species in Afrika

Sathya

what the heck is unladen swallow ? The only "unladen swallow that I know of is a Python JIT compiler

Mokubai

10:19 AM

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Ivo Flipse

oh it was even 47 :P

Sathya

damn, I thought it would be 42 :P

Mokubai

And that's not counting all the European swallows

Sigh, I really need to use the spellchecker today...

Ivo Flipse

"Well you have to know these things when you're a king"

I thought at least getting the gist of it was pretty good ;P

Mokubai

I've actually got it on DVD, it's got "Subtitles for people who don't like the film" taken from Shakespears Henry VIII, Act 4 or something... it makes for an even weirder experience watching the film.

Someone says "Hello there!" and the subtitles show "Ho there!"

oKtosiTe

10:25 AM

Hey everyone!

Where can I find info on the use of @ signs in comments again?

DMA57361

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Q: How do comment @replies work?

How do I respond to a specific user when entering my comment? Will they be notified? Related: How do I view my recent replies? Return to the FAQ index

support faq comments notifications comment-replies

there ^

Sathya

/// beat me to it

oKtosiTe

@Sathya :-)

@DMA57361 Thanks!

I was wondering about the use of spaces.

Sathya

wonder if something can be salvaged from the recent activity tab to get an idea about recent comments / revisions / answers/ questions

DMA57361

@Sathya for election-campaign-supporting purposes?

Sathya

10:32 AM

@DMA57361 yeah, still thinking across the lines of what we were discussing earlier, on quantifying stats

DMA57361

indeed

Sathya

btw @Mokubai this article (dated) explains well why I love PL/SQL developer orafaq.com/tools/allround/plsql_developer

Mokubai

@Sathya I'll have a read of that, thank you :)

Sathya

11:01 AM

@Mokubai you're welcome :)

Ivo Flipse

12:24 PM

forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=921013

> AndrOINC is a BOINC project trying to break a 1024 bit RSA key used by Motorola to sign the boot and recovery partitions on the Motorola Milestone. If this key could be broken, we would be able to sign our own boot/recovery images, which would enable us to run custom kernels and recovery images on the Milestone.

DMA57361

huh, nice, but might take a while

Ivo Flipse

that's where the distributed computing comes in :P

DMA57361

even then it might take a while

akira

gday folks

Sathya

@IvoFlipse oh wow.

@akira g'day

DMA57361

12:29 PM

@akira hi

hmm, how to we go about getting the Privileges pages updated?
In particular I've just noticed that the flagging (http://superuser.com/privileges/flag-posts) page isn't updated for the new flag pop-up

Ivo Flipse

bring it up on MSO :)

DMA57361

ah, ok

I wonder if it's wrong elsewhere...

Ivo Flipse

I suspect it's wrong everywhere ;)

DMA57361

indeed it is

do we know if they've finished messing with the flag pop-up? if they intend to tweak the options again next week (or whatever) then there's no point updating the whatsit pages yet

digitxp

12:48 PM

jdfsfaasdkj

akira

down delete find s find a append sdkj

right?

Ivo Flipse

I don't think they're 100% finished yet @DMA57361

DMA57361

yeah, I had a feeling that may be the case

I've left it be for now

Sathya

@DMA57361 I still think it's worth pointing out in MSO

DMA57361

hmm, suppose it keeps it on the agenda

Sathya

12:59 PM

if it's incomplete, well you'll get a confirmation of the same. Else it's a place which might have been missed

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