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1:30 AM

@GratefulDisciple I haven't heard of two Yahweh's before. That does sound odd.

@GratefulDisciple I haven't read that one, but it's probably good? I've read the first two of his lost world Series, Genesis one and Adam and Eve.

@GratefulDisciple yes I think that's one he recommended in the intensive as a good one to start with

One of the helpful things I picked up from Walton is just to be happy with questions, odd and confusing things, and things we can't reconcile. There is an appropriate circle from exegesis to theology and back again. I think a lot of problems arise when we try to resolve all the issues and make everything neat and tidy, whether they're exegetical issues or theological ones

William

2:32 AM

Q: Does the word Die mean spiritually or physically?

And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” Does the word die in this phrase mean spiritually or physically?

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GratefulDisciple

4:27 AM

Sounded odd to me, but basically the original conception of God's theophany that later Christians appropriated to be Jesus's manifestation in the OT.
See [article from Dr. Heiser's website](https://drmsh.com/the-naked-bible/two-powers-in-heaven/)

@curiousdannii Completely agree with not trying too hard to make a neat system at the cost of sacrificing exegesis. This theme actually runs across the entire Unseen Realm book when he discusses how some confusing verses were papered over rationalist (who deny the reality of some supernatural elements) or twisted by some theological commitment. It should be an easy read as the book is user-friendly, because he reviews previous chapters to build on in the later chapters.

@curiousdannii I started skimming through Dr. Walton's book which turns out to be available at Scribd.com. Thanks! Good textbook style coverage, which can serve as a check for Dr. Heiser's position in case he overstates his views, not that I'm qualified as an ANE expert, just as an intelligent layman :-)

curiousdannii

4:51 AM

@GratefulDisciple I'd say be skeptical about any ANE cultural background stuff, even from experts. It's just too far back and too thin for us to have much certainty

Walton was pretty firm though that Genesis has a real ANE background and not a 6th C BC Babylonian context

GratefulDisciple

@curiousdannii Thanks for the warning. I'll take those with a grain of salt. Chapter I of Walton's book indeed started with the history of interaction of ANE researchers in 2 camps: confessional and secular. Now that we are more than 100 years since Delitzsch seminal lectures "Babel und Bibel" both camps have been cross fertilizing while respecting each own's perspective.

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