It's only in the King James and the New King James, but why? Jesus' name is all caps:
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.Matthew 1:21
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
an...
In addition to this, another interesting thing found only in the King James Bible is the name JEHOVAH in capital letters is found four times in the Old Testament - Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12: 2 and 26:4. Likewise the name JESUS in capital letters is found only four times in the New Testament - Matthew 1:21, 25; 27:37; and John 19:19. Four is the number of the earth and JEHOVAH God Himself has come to this earth to save His people from their sins.
So, only in the King James Bible do we have these precious truths revealed. This is just one of the many marks of God on this Book that …
So hang on a sec. A typesetting decision to print Jesus' name in all caps 4 times leads you to believe that the KJV is the only valid version? WTH...
now if I can just figure out why. I have this funny feeling its going to be something like Gutenberg ran out of lowercase letters while he was typesetting that page so he used caps for Jesus there and its just sort of stuck...
but the last thing that I want to see when I load up this site is somebody telling an unbeliever that they need to donate to the mormon church so that they can become an elder and have their own planet
@JonathonByrd its not about what they believe. Its much more about how they identify themselves. If we can show them the truth through our behavior maybe one of them comes to the light. That is truly the best we can hope for.
We could ask this question to Meta. Are we Protestant Christians? Or mix of everythign else? If it is the second, I'd leave in a second. I'd rather die then to serve multiple figures.
1 its a large part of our user base. 2 they are christians by any but the strictest definition of the word. Without them none of us would likely know the truth
@wax There is the differnce between Protestant and Catholic. Martin Luther would flip in his grave if Catholic and Protestans were considered a same thing.
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū right, but this is christiantiy.se not protestant.se if you want to start that go ahead and propose it on area51, see you in a year or so.
if its not closed as a dupe almost immediately of this one.
@ChaosGamerΕΛΥēelū I've lived in Latin America. I've interacted with catholics. Lets be clear here I am talking about devout practicing catholics. Not the cultural catholics.
they believe in Jesus and theirs sins are no worse than ours.
@ElendiaStarman the point of what? infant baptism? its actually an interesting argument I can summarize it quickly but I don't have time for the full argument
I can understand your concern HedgeMeg. We don't want to start telling people that only south eastern baptists are welcome on the site or something.
HOWEVER
All of the denominations that you've mentioned agree with one thing, Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sin.
I do not ...
Intro
To expand on something I previously wrote on philosophy.se:
Take a group we'll call A. All members of A consider themselves to be Christian, are baptized, and believe that Jesus was the son of God, he died on the cross for our sins, and we can get to heaven through faith in him.
On the o...
@Dori exactly. The Mormons on the site could vote off the mainline evangelicals. Or even more likely the Catholics could decide we aren't Christians and throw us out (which up until about 11 years ago they believed).
@Dori I may be able to do that becuase I have had this long drawn out conversation with you. But when other people start landing on posts from google and start seeing mormon theology they will never come back
If someone has a problem with others even existing on the same site (that is, even after they've ignored the topics using tags), then they have a problem
@JonathonByrd I'm saying that when Jane and Joe come in and start saying that you aren't a real Christian and that you shouldn't be allowed to post, I'll be defending your right to do so.
@ElendiaStarman @JonathonByrd is right about how different their theology is ... in spite of their advertising it otherwise on the first pass. That's not the point here.
@Caleb I know its strange. And you are correct their theology isn't the point. The point is that we are open to all groups who self identify as Christians.
IF muslims, Jews of Cooks.Se decide to self identify as Christians they are welcome here too.
@JonathonByrd My point is that we have different criteria for allowing Mormons on this site. One of which has to do with what it means to be Christian, basically.
I do not want to cut off any denomination that considers themselves Christian UNLESS that group is only calling themselves christian in order that people will more easily accept their COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BELIEF
@JonathonByrd That's because Stack doesn't require that we be cookie cutters, and we're allowed to have different opinions. Does that make them more forgiving than your Church?
@JonathonByrd Take a deep breath man and step back and try to understand where SE is coming from as a company. @Dori isn't insulting you the way you are LDS and the SE defined scope for this site.
@JonathonByrd I don't think so. She's trying to help you see this from the other side of the mirror by turning your argument around ... she hasn't been offensive.
> On SO, it's perfectly acceptable to post a problem and say you're only interested in solutions that use Java. If someone then replies with a paean to C++, they're liable to get labeled a troll and treated accordingly.
> if you want to contribute an answer, but it's not what the OP asked for—don't. You can take it to Chat, or put it on your blog, or whatever, but you should not post it as an answer to the question.
If you post a question solely for a certain group (i.e., non-Mormon), and say so explicitly, then no, I don't think that Mormon answers should be allowed.
BUT if you want an answer from anyone who self-identifies as Christian, then you will get what you get.
But when you say that a group that self-identifies as Christian should never post on christianity.se, well, that I've got a problem with.
Right and if you identify your questions as "Proestant" or "catholic" or "LDS" then you should get answers from that perspective (regardless of authorship)
I for one will never specify which sect I am looking for answers from because quite frankly I don't care. I'm also not going to spend much time voting on answers form an LDS perspective or a Catholic perspective (although much more likely to upvote cathlic than LDS) because I'd rather see the protestant stuff on top.
I have never had a problem with how you have displayed your point of view. I have re-read many of your statements that began to get me to see from a different perspective. I appreciate the conversation that you and I have had.
On the other hand, I feel that dori has been completely disrespectful
@JonathonByrd I'm saying that when Jane and Joe come in and start saying that you aren't a real Christian and that you shouldn't be allowed to post, I'll be defending your right to do so.
I would have to say that I agree with Dori. Personal opinions aside, if Mormons and JW self-identify as Christians, and considering many identify them as part of the "Christian" umbrella category, there's no reason to not have them comment.
I don't know how it's being done in the beta right now, but I do think it would be good to be clear from what perspective you are speaking from, at least for the major partitions in Christianity.
And @waxeagle, no offense is taken. I have seen many different views, and am not unaware of what people may think of Catholics in some circles. But I also have many non-Catholic Christian brothers and sisters in Christ who I get along with quite well.
Oh, @JonathonByrd, I don't have anything in particular on my mind. I just found out a couple days ago that there's going to be a Christian section on this Q&A site I like, and since I'm a sucker for theological discussion, I had to check it out. :)
I'd say much the same as wax. Two times where there was serious friction, and a ton of questions and answers. In general, it seems to be going fairly well.
@JonathonByrd The first one was near the end of the first day, if I recall correctly, between Roland and...some guy whose name I can't quite remember right now.
I've seen both sides, in my limited exposure on Christian groups online. Seen major fallout and division, and a real ecumenical coming together. I personally subscribe to the idea that division is more to our detriment than benefit.
But anyways, to respond to a point I think I read above... I didn't know the Pope said that about Protestants, though I think I know what he's getting at... I would not say that Protestants can't get to heaven. I wouldn't say that they necessarily would have a harder time at it, either. Though I would say that, as a Catholic (and I only am being honest, not trying to proselytize), Protestants do miss out on some things.
I have a lot of respect for what they can do and have done through the centuries, though. There's certain things that they can often do better than us Catholics. But I still haven't seen fit to switch over. :P
(personally)
And given that I don't know you all very well, I can also get somewhat nervous that I might touch a nerve. It's so much easier doing this in person, but I don't get that as often as I'd like. :P
Oh, and that thing above about Catholics appropriating other cultures or something? From where that came from, it's true, but very misconstrued. :P
When a culture was converted, the Catholic Church would allow them to retain their local customs and even sometimes their deities, but they would be molded to fit Christian theological teaching, and the deities often would instead become saints (and therefore, no longer deities).
@ElendiaStarman To know "what"? I have been in arguments online with atheists many times. I'd keep my cool for a while, but eventually I'd get frustrated and break down. If I get passionate, I do have a tendency to monologue and get aggressive. Did some prayer, took some time off, and when I came back, found myself much more calm during those events, and instead of feeling anger, feeling at peace and even love or compassion for those on the other end.
Oh, what they're missing out on? Mainly, the full presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. I know some Protestant churches have similar beliefs about it. As Mass is a celebration of that supper, of the Eucharist, it tends to have much a deeper purpose than simply fellowship and learning/hearing the Scripture. It's such a personal experience and I haven't felt it at any Protestant service I've been to.
It's not just a symbol, but a physical act of taking Jesus into your body. I would miss that. :)
Everything else, the fellowship and Bible study, I could get anywhere else at any time. Though it definitely should be present at Mass, it doesn't define the Mass.
nods I know that there's some non-Catholic and non-Orthodox Christian churches that have similar views, like Lutheran and Episcopal, but I have not been to those Masses before so I can't really comment on that.
But even then, there are some theological differences and I feel that at this point, the main reason divisions still exist is plainly because they have for a while already, and politics.
But ya, my main experience is in Baptist and Congregational or Federated Protestant churches.
@ElendiaStarman Ya.
I mean, there are real divisions in theology that may be a barrier for full communion, but I think many of the issues are less problematic as they were back when these splits occurred.
Oh, and I forgot, my family had many Methodist friends. Though I don't believe I've personally been to a Methodist service, we did have many Methodists hanging about. :P
@ElendiaStarman Ah, hehe. Well, I am technically young, too. :P
It's only in the King James and the New King James, but why? Jesus' name is all caps:
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.Matthew 1:21
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,
an...
I can understand your concern HedgeMeg. We don't want to start telling people that only south eastern baptists are welcome on the site or something.
HOWEVER
All of the denominations that you've mentioned agree with one thing, Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sin.
I do not ...
Intro
To expand on something I previously wrote on philosophy.se:
Take a group we'll call A. All members of A consider themselves to be Christian, are baptized, and believe that Jesus was the son of God, he died on the cross for our sins, and we can get to heaven through faith in him.
On the o...
