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8:00 PM
@Makyen interestingly, they want us to buy the premium version, which has 1000000250 instead of a measly 1000000000 games...
let's not describe the other two links very thoroughly... :P
 
In addition, the user is deleted. IMO, it's spam.
The post was edited, so might have been one of the ones where the spam links were added later, or without the user's knowledge/intent.
The post's format looks very similar to one's we've seen like this: a horizontal rule, then some spam links. There appear to be many like that which have what appear to be completely innocent questions or answers, just with the spam links added in that format. I've seen ones where the OP edits the spam out, too. I've left comments asked a few of them if the spam was something they intended and help in tracking down how it happened, but I've never gotten a response.
 
Mkay, ya convinced me
 
yay, review works! test ended :D
 
@Makyen Incidentally, it was caught by the watch I added specifically to look for this format of spam (<hr> then 2+ links at end of post).
 
8:08 PM
tpu- feedback received
 
@ArtOfCode Got a success criteria? I kinda like the old way to know who's around; would want to revert to that if we can't see some improvement
 
@Undo While it's not as easy, you can just hover over the feedback markers provided by AIM. Doing so also gives a bit more through view of all those users giving feedback, rather than just the fastest person. However, I do agree that some success criteria, or, more generally, some way for us to measure the overall issue, would be helpful.
 
@Makyen Know about that on desktop; these days I'm on mobile more often than not
 
hm, maybe some significant drop of the invalidated feedback average the entire time after the change, compared to an equal amount of time ending the moment the change happened?
 
Need a good way to run userscripts on iOS
@EriktheOutgolfer Scope it to "invalidated first-feedbacks", maybe
 
8:17 PM
first two feedbacks?
 
Vast majority of cases are so cut-and-dry that I doubt you'd see a significant change just from these rare edge cases we're concerned about
 
well, yeah, this means it may take a month or three to test this
 
@Undo Admittedly, I haven't tested on iOS, just Android. On Android, Firefox for Android supports extensions, and thus userscripts.
 
Another suggestion to remove the gamification is to delay the feedback printing for 30 seconds, most people who try to game it won't be ready to wait so long, but its still instant when you want to see who's in the room
 
Not a good way, but it works (kinda)
 
8:20 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer There are also a significant number of times where we change our feedbacks based on information provided by others in-chat.
 
@Makyen hm, yeah, so "first two feedbacks" may not mean "two oldest feedbacks currently there"
arguably, if such a change happens, then there is already more than enough thought put into it
 
@EriktheOutgolfer As far as I know, no record is kept of feedbacks which the user overwrites within 24 hours of giving feedback.
 
@Makyen yeah, might be a problem, even with a record... how do we separate between feedbacks changed because of a misclick or a little bit of confusion and feedbacks changed because of extra thought?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Remember, we're talking about a case that we're not even sure exists
In general, I don't like changing things to chase a problem like that
 
@EriktheOutgolfer That's a good point. I'm undecided if what I mentioned should be a criteria, but I did want to point out that there are cases that are not recorded in the MS database.
 
8:26 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (98): Diagramming "because of" by Jesse Gillis on english.SE
 
@Undo survey idea: has the recent change you'll definitely see in a jiffy has 1) affected you in a good way 2) affected you in a bad way 3) brought some weird unidentifiable feeling to you 4) changed nothing on you... :-P
um, no
actually, this was the reason the tpu- post was found ;-)
 
So, it was still a tpu. Not really in the mood for this debate again
 
Don't go nuts either way on this. Good to investigate, not good to fight and accuse people of stuff. Facts are king.
 
@Undo I was under the impression that we agreed there were instances where individual people didn't put in enough time/effort to determine the correct course of action (e.g. the recent example where I was one of those people). The lack of finding an example was for a case where multiple people A) didn't put in the time, and B) made what ended up being the the wrong choice, and C) enough people did so that was a post deleted that should not have been deleted.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Restoring a database by Michael Argentini on dba.SE
 
8:34 PM
@SmokeDetector Doesn't look like that's what the question asks for.
 
tpu- feedback received
 
What happened with the idea that in the extremely rare case a post is wrongfully nuked that a custom mod flag would be raised? Or did I misinterpret that?
 
that's already implemented
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, blacklisted user (128): Backup without using SQL Server Management Studio by Michael Argentini on dba.SE
 
Ah good
 
8:34 PM
tpu- feedback received
 
!!/watch- sqribe\.app
 
@SmokeDetector Second instance of website by user ~ 2 mins
 
@Makyen Definitely those cases of individuals not putting in enough time exist, but... Honestly, I don't care if we're getting the right end result
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Creating sql server db backup by Michael Argentini on stackoverflow.com
tpu- feedback received
 
8:38 PM
Something works now. Lack of finding cases where the system didn't work, as a whole, tells me we shouldn't change a bunch of stuff to fix the individual problem.
 
^ I'm with this guy
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (68): make a backup for azure database by Michael Argentini on stackoverflow.com
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user (69): Azure SQL DB Backup Strategies Clarification by Michael Argentini on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user (69): Error when restoring SQL Server database to remote server using Powershell by Michael Argentini on stackoverflow.com
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so, now I'm inclined to blacklist that domain
 
Ways to nudge people? Sure, why not. But they should be driven by measurable stats, to make sure we're not eeking out 0.01% in one department and losing 5% in another department
 
Restart: API quota is 14866.
Restart: API quota is 14862.
 
8:42 PM
well... if the test actually shows more invalidated feedbacks, I'd be amazed
 
@EriktheOutgolfer not the only metric
I'm saying that focusing solely on one metric leads people to make weird decisions
 
also, not only the metric, tbf...
 
Accuracy is nice. So is having a lot of engaged people
If there is gamification here, does removing it drive anyone away?
 
^ That is a real, valid concern.
 
I'd rather have more engaged people looking at a post than the first feedback be right every time
Someone who is right 90% of the time is easily beat by three people who are right 80% of the time
 
8:46 PM
in theory, we might say that "if removing gamification drives you away, then all's good"... in practice, we have to retain a balance
 
(numbers might be wrong, dunno. You get the point)
@EriktheOutgolfer The site is about gamification. It's not bad, just needs some management
 
not willing to assume good faith, just assuming spam diy.stackexchange.com/a/151019/30000
 
@bummi IMO listing the source after already providing an answer is a lot less spammy then saying "click for your answer"
 
actually, it's not necessarily spam just because the source is that of a commercial service
it definitely has the tips in it, and it can perfectly be a resource without paying one cent
 
I did try to find cited passages, but was not able to ...
 
8:55 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Gaming laptop - for World of Warcraft by YarCy on hardwarerecs.SE
fp- feedback received
 
Well, let's watch the domain and see if we get more posts linking to it, which would tend to indicate that it's spam rather than someone just linking to a site where they found some advice.
!!/watch- sanjuanchemdry\.com
 
hardwarerecs site as a whole just begs for unsolicited spam xD. It felt weird when I posted an answer to my own question linking directly to a product (fortunately SE gets referral bonuses from Amazon, so it didn't feel that weird).
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs if you turn it into a shotlink you can probably use your own affiliate ID (if you have one)
 
@WELZ Yeah. Even if I did, the question has 48 views since April. Not much of an income
And out of those views, probably 0 actually clicked the link to AMZ
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): How do I convert .eml files to PDFs? by maya sharma on superuser.com
 
!!/watch birdiesoftware\.com
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs hey, I had!
 
9:15 PM
Lol did you buy it? I'm sure you have to purchase the product to actually get a commission xD
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): want to extract review but getting some problem by Bindass Clashers on stackoverflow.com
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It actually works through cookies, anything I add to my cart and purchase in the next 24 hours will give a commission (if it's eligible)
Now I feel like a spammer
 
fp- feedback received
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): Trying to install Argos Simulator by kgpinco on askubuntu.com
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9:34 PM
@WELZ flagged
 
did the flag smell... fruity? :P
 
welp 😲
 
9:52 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): Share printer connected to an android phone over the network by SenaCarbtc on superuser.com
fp- feedback received
 
@SmokeDetector That's the opposite of spam...
 
10:08 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in body (46): C++ "needs to be modifiable ivalue" char* by Nikola Bozin on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): Share printer connected to an android phone over the network by SenaCarbtc on android.SE (@iBug)
fp- feedback received
 
@SmokeDetector OP was redirected to Android.SE in the comments of the other post: m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/uid/superuser/1377114
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): Toxic co-worker by evgeny on workplace.SE
fp- feedback received
 
10:39 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially problematic ns configuration in body (1): Intellij cannot resolve symbol 'lang3' apache by KMunro on stackoverflow.com
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): Nginx RTMP/HLS - stream to ffmpeg and output HLS by kanazaca on stackoverflow.com
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10:55 PM
@Undo Dunno. It's probably subjective to start with, to be honest
 
11:11 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): SQL query search by ID and get another attribute of the record by Yasin Ali on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (68): How to make an installer for my C# application? by Yasin Ali on stackoverflow.com
tpu- feedback received
 
11:51 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body (1): How to make a settings command [discord.js] ✏️ by Apollyon365 on stackoverflow.com
 

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