Charcoal HQ

Grant Garrison

9:00 PM

@SmokeDetector why

Jake Symons

@Glorfindel thanks I'll have a look now

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Why 403 forbidden, only if i run direct on browser by user88083 on webmasters.SE

quartata

@GrantGarrison why do you think

SmokeDetector

Title - Position 27-33: Turkey
Body - Position 161-167: Turkey, Position 190-196: Turkey

tpu- by JAD

Makyen

@JakeSymons It's likely to get a lot of down-votes, but just because it happens to be illegal in some particular jurisdiction (with some exceptions for US law compliance, see law references and the TOS) doesn't make it off-topic.

Grant Garrison

9:01 PM

!!/test reddit.com/r/Turkey

SmokeDetector

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 14-20: Turkey
Body - Position 14-20: Turkey
Username - Position 14-20: Turkey

Grant Garrison

!!/test discord

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Grant Garrison

!!/test discord.gg

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

SFTP

9:02 PM

Discord is a social site, not spam

Princess Luna

^

Glorfindel

^^

Jake Symons

So, unless it is classified under another close reason, such as too broad or unclear then it would be on topic?

Princess Luna

And blacklisting it is a horrible idea. Especially with the discord tag on SO

Grant Garrison

@SFTP Watch the specific one?

SmokeDetector

9:03 PM

fp by Glorfindel on Hola, será que alguien me pueda ayudar a imprimir está serie factorial : 2,3,8,30 en C++ [MS]

quartata

@GrantGarrison they're invite links, they're generated once

Princess Luna

Not necessarily

JAD

@GrantGarrison why? It's already caught with another keyword

SFTP

The specific page may be watched/blacklisted, same for the specific reddit maybe?

Jake Symons

@GrantGarrison The MS goes 50/50 on discord

Princess Luna

9:03 PM

You can use a permanent invite link on Discord

Glorfindel

@JakeSymons MS records are biased towards spam.

quartata

@PrincessLuna true but they're not going to for this

@JakeSymons do not even think about blacklisting discord

Grant Garrison

@quartata Just a certain link

Jake Symons

@quartata I was not thinking that, I was giving the 50/50 to show that it had the same number of fps if anything to give reason so that it would not be blacklisted.

Glorfindel

!!/scan webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/114240/53036

Grant Garrison

9:04 PM

!!/test discord.gg/Hcx7dUP

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] One-character link in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Does SEO value get transfered when a 301 redirect points to a page that has another canonical? by Tuncay seren on webmasters.SE

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

tpu- by Grant Garrison

Grant Garrison

!!/watch discord.gg/Hcx7dUP

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1977 for you.

Glorfindel

wut - weight 67 and already autoflagged?

quartata

3 reasons

Grant Garrison

9:05 PM

@Glorfindel Already?

JAD

@GrantGarrison forgot to escape the .

Princess Luna

@JakeSymons Just discord isn't a good metric though. Because in addition to the chat site, there's also the english word. Most of the tp's seem to be separate from the chat site

Grant Garrison

Change that to /. right?

doppelgreener

@JakeSymons bear in mind that if you go by Metasmoke saying discord is 50/50 spam, it also says the word "the" is 85% spam

10

JAD

\.

Grant Garrison

9:07 PM

@JAD Oh lol I why did I say the opposite?

Jake Symons

Okay, so maybe MS is not the best source of reference to use so at the last count there have been 4,402 across the network with only 11 of those being tps.

Grant Garrison

!!/watch discord\.gg/Hcx7dUP

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1978 for you.

tpu- by Jake Symons

quartata

sd - poof-force

doppelgreener

it had 3 reasons

quartata

9:09 PM

1/3/21 is p good

catches all this garbage

Glorfindel

#loopholes

quartata

@Glorfindel nah man

doppelgreener

That's not one of my actual conditions, I should clarify. But that's a thing.

quartata

3 reasons has like 99.9% accuracy everywhere

you don't need to limit it to one site

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Hey our whole reddit.com/r/Turkey subreddit is making fun of you and some of us is also creating accounts to annoy :)) by user892079 on superuser.com

Grant Garrison

9:11 PM

@SmokeDetector Anyone want to close this?

SmokeDetector

tpu by Zoe

tpu- by Jake Symons

ArtOfCode

@doppelgreener not that you'd be able to actually use that condition anyway

doppelgreener

huh, you're right

@ArtOfCode i wouldn't? it's over 99.75%

ArtOfCode

@doppelgreener not over enough posts though

68 < 1000

doppelgreener

oh huh okay.

quartata

9:12 PM

yeah that's why you can't do that on small sites

SFTP

I really don't see "maximum poster reputation" as a parameter that should exist.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@GrantGarrison I think you need to escape the forward slash too.

SFTP

IMO rep > 1 => no autoflags

doppelgreener

@SFTP yeah that one's weird to me.

ArtOfCode

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs because managing that correctly is basically impossible

SmokeDetector

9:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Luncheon meat detected: Active menu item in node.js and express by lortschi on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Glorfindel

fp by Floern

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Hey you! Yes yes you that is watching..come visit reddit.com/r/Turkey :)) by notvladevidac on superuser.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

Thomas Ward

holy hell I wrote a lot into a github issue response >.<

SFTP

Something should be upgraded from "potentially", it seems.

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode @Undo comment requested on my response to the one issue ticket that was opened for a feature request. needs sanity review for implementation "general" discussion points, as well as MetaSmoke compatibility review. Before anyone creates the changes (and if we want this, assign the issue to me as I already have the logic written in another Python window and can incorporate fairly easily in another branch.)

SFTP

Obviously not the country as such

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@SmokeDetector What did I miss? How is that a '2' weight with 2 autoflags?

@SmokeDetector autoflagged

SmokeDetector

9:16 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs That post was automatically flagged, using flags from: iBug, WELZ.

quartata

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs iBug and WELZ have funny conditions

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Interesting

SFTP

So, any Travel post with Turkey in title and body gets it?

ArtOfCode

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs wtf

Glorfindel

@SFTP no, probably they have activated that only on SuperUser.

quartata

9:17 PM

^

they're per site

although I was pretty sure WELZ's was disabled

SmokeDetector

@iBug Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.

ArtOfCode

kicking things

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Funny how people don't know Turkey is one of the strongest players in the world when it comes to military, politics and hacking :)) by hevalmisin on superuser.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Your flag conditions were manually disabled by @ArtOfCode: Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

wtf was wrong with my conditions

ArtOfCode

> Total accuracy must be >= 99.75%.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

9:19 PM

According to MS, it is

ArtOfCode

> Total accuracy

not accuracy for each individual condition

accuracy for all of them taken together

doppelgreener

really??

Grant Garrison

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I don't believe so.

doppelgreener

that is something we probably need visibility into

because that is not at all how i understood that

ArtOfCode

@doppelgreener [status-would-like-to-but-can't]

SFTP

9:20 PM

The url reddit.com/r/Turkey is not found on either Travel or Expats (or History or Politics), so should be safe to blacklist.

quartata

@doppelgreener makes sense to me

doppelgreener

@quartata it doesn't make sense to me because i don't even know how that would get calculated

if each of my conditions is above 99.75%, how does the total drop below 99.75%

ArtOfCode

magic

doppelgreener

and how can i adjust for a total i'm not aware of

Glorfindel

It doesn't make sense to me either, and I'm probably the only MSc in Mathematics in the room </brag>

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

9:21 PM

So......... I have to manually set it up per site?

ArtOfCode

lies, damn lies, and statistics

SFTP

@Glorfindel PhD here. :)

Glorfindel

@SFTP I should have suspected that.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Condition was disabled: 99.85%
Condition was disabled: 99.90%
Condition was disabled: 99.76%

Jake Symons

0

Q: It seems like you want that DDOS against metasmoke. You know we have a JS LOIC app and enough people to bring your software to its knees

It seems like you want that DDOS against metasmoke. You know we have a JS LOIC app and enough people to bring your software to its knees

quartata

9:22 PM

@Glorfindel because not all conditions apply to all posts

Grant Garrison

Ok people! There is a name for this! It is called Simpsons Paradox!

Glorfindel

!!/report superuser.com/q/1311584/442468

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: It seems like you want that DDOS against metasmoke. You know we have a JS LOIC app and enough people to bring your software to its knees by shouldwestartdestruction on superuser.com

@Glorfindel Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

ArtOfCode

You can have two flag conditions that would flag two distinct sets of posts A and B, and while A and B are both >= 99.75%, A+B is not

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Jake Symons

quartata

9:23 PM

@ArtOfCode you know how to turn on magic funride right

SmokeDetector

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

ArtOfCode

@quartata flick the setting?

Jake Symons

Sounds like we're in for a fun night ^

Grant Garrison

Simpson's paradox

Simpson's paradox, or the Yule–Simpson effect, is a phenomenon in probability and statistics, in which a trend appears in several different groups of data but disappears or reverses when these groups are combined. It is sometimes given the descriptive title reversal paradox or amalgamation paradox. This result is often encountered in social-science and medical-science statistics and is particularly problematic when frequency data is unduly given causal interpretations. The paradoxical elements disappear when causal relations are brought into consideration. It has been used to try to inform the...

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@ArtOfCode Then what is your recommendation? Set my reason weight to 800?

Thomas Ward

9:26 PM

unrelated if I EVER post something to a Smokey GH issue again with that much text... someone needs to smack me.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@ThomasWard I want to smack you just because. I don't need a damn reason

runs away

quartata

@ThomasWard it's ok it happens to us all

Grant Garrison

@ArtOfCode I used the new MS channels signup and waited for hours but still not working.

Makyen

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs You're going to need to describe in a little more detail which userscript you're looking for in order for me to know which one it is.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Makyen nvm I found it :)

Thomas Ward

9:30 PM

:p

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

:o

Thomas Ward

@quartata everyone subscribed to the Smokey issue tickets is going to hate the size of what I wrote though

quartata

@ArtOfCode did Undo make a setting for that one?

anyways

@ThomasWard nah

Thomas Ward

well i burned an hour of time at work on this either way so...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: Converting country codes in .NET by mohammad zahmatkesh kenari on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Cannot install Elementary Tweaks in Loki by ysfl on elementaryos.SE

fp- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs on Converting country codes in .NET [MS]

fp by Floern on Converting country codes in .NET [MS]

tpu- by Grant Garrison

naa- by doppelgreener

Floern

9:39 PM

@SmokeDetector huh? that one was already reported and tpu'd 5 hours ago? what happened?

doppelgreener

@SmokeDetector doesn't look like actual spam, just naa.

@Floern the question was edited.

!!/ignore elementaryos.stackexchange.com/a/15297

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener No such command 'ignore'.

doppelgreener

uh

what's the ignore post command?

SmokeDetector

tpu by Jake Symons

Makyen

@doppelgreener Undisclosed affiliation.

Glorfindel

9:40 PM

@doppelgreener ignore is a type of feedback.

doppelgreener

@Makyen they're just linking to a forum post they made

that's not advertising

Floern

@doppelgreener yes, but why was it not red flagged 5 h ago?

doppelgreener

@Floern what's red flagged mean?

Floern

spam nuked

doppelgreener

because it's not spam

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

9:42 PM

@doppelgreener Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

Floern

ah, so we're tpu'ing but not flagging?

doppelgreener

@Floern i didn't tpu it at all

4 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

naa- by doppelgreener

i don't think anyone should tpu that, but we can make up our own minds, and we're each responsible for what we choose to flag

Makyen

@doppelgreener Which by SE's standards, they need to disclose that it's something on a site they control/that they wrote. Our Feedback Guidance is that such links must be disclosed, or they are tpu. That doesn't mean that they should necessarily be flagged as spam. In the past, the option was to leave a comment to the user informing them of the SE policies. Now, it's custom mod-flag and let the mod do it, if desired.

3

Floern

I count 7 tpus.. shrug

doppelgreener

@Makyen considering they're not advertising or promoting a product or service, just linking to a forum post (that is not, itself, advertising anything either) i don't see it as falling within the bounds of self-promotion and thus needing to engage in disclosure of affiliation. if it were their blog, i'd feel differently, but it's just their post on some random forum.

Makyen

9:47 PM

@Floern I assume that people are seeing that it's not deleted and keep giving feedback. That's only appropriate if the post should be deleted, which this one probably shouldn't be. IMO, the user should be educated, not significantly chastised.

doppelgreener

it's a crap answer, but it contains zero promotion and thus our guidelines about how to do promotion don't apply

Grant Garrison

11 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Cannot install Elementary Tweaks in Loki by ysfl on elementaryos.SE

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

Post - Username similar to website
Blacklisted user - blacklisted for //elementaryos.stackexchange.com/a/15297 (https://m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//elementaryos.stackexchange.com/a/15297) by the metasmoke API

doppelgreener

oh ~_~

Makyen

@doppelgreener The domain, e.ysfl.cn matches their username. I think its a bit more than just some random post they wrote.

doppelgreener

9:48 PM

i see, their domain name = their name = promoting their post on their forum

@SmokeDetector tpu-

that's that then

Yvette Colomb

!!/watch demono

Jake Symons

They have 3 posts all with the same website in, all have been caught by SD and have been feedbacked as 2 tpu and 1 naa

SmokeDetector

@YvetteColomb Added demono to watchlist

Byte Commander

so... now I just retracted my flag after you said the post was fine, and then change your mind again to it's really spam? grrr...

Grant Garrison

!!/test ysfl

SmokeDetector

9:50 PM

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Grant Garrison

!!/watch ysfl

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 314cfc4 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of demono by Yvette Colomb --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

doppelgreener

@ByteCommander sorry, i didn't see the display name.

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 9840.

doppelgreener

i've raised my own spam flag on their other spam post though, and a custom mod flag on that one.

Grant Garrison

9:51 PM

!!/watch ysfl

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1979 for you.

Makyen

@GrantGarrison While that combination of letters is rare, that feels a little broad. Perhaps you meant ysfl\.cn.

Jake Symons

Its quite rare, there's only one StackOverflow post so its possible

Grant Garrison

@Makyen I think that it will work.

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison I'm SmokeDetector a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Grant Garrison

9:57 PM

How do you scan without reporting if detected?

Oh well I will just delete if it catches it.

Byte Commander

do !!/test <paste-body-here>

Grant Garrison

oh

!!/test This is my first time asking a question about R, so forgive me if I leave out details that are necessary. I'll try to be as thorough but concise as possible.

My data has 4 columns: score (values of -1, 0, or 1); species (at least 10 different ones); habitat (three different ones); and site (at least 8 different ones). So each row is a unique combination of score, species, habitat, and site. See below for top rows:

score species habitat site
0 NOCA NAG NAG1
0 BRTH NAG NAG1

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison brews a cup of earl grey tea for @GrantGarrison

Grant Garrison

Did that get skipped?

!!/test structure(list(species = structure(c(27L, 5L, 7L, 2L, 18L, 12L,
22L, 28L, 6L, 13L, 15L, 23L, 4L, 10L, 14L, 11L, 20L, 30L, 9L,
19L, 26L, 8L, 16L, 25L, 3L, 17L, 21L, 29L, 24L, 1L, 27L, 5L,
7L, 2L, 18L, 12L, 22L, 28L, 6L, 13L, 15L, 23L, 4L, 10L, 14L,
11L, 20L, 30L, 9L, 19L, 26L, 8L, 16L, 25L, 3L, 17L, 21L, 29L,
24L, 1L, 27L, 5L, 7L, 2L, 18L, 12L, 22L, 28L, 6L, 13L, 15L, 23L,
4L, 10L, 14L, 11L, 20L, 30L, 9L, 19L, 26L, 8L, 16L, 25L, 3L,
17L, 21L, 29L, 24L, 1L, 27L, 5L, 7L, 2L, 18L, 12L, 22L, 28L,

@ByteCommander Um... that's not working very well.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Regular Expressions to validade Prefix, Infix and Postfix expressions by Topik Mujianto on stackoverflow.com

Byte Commander

10:05 PM

/shrug

Grant Garrison

DO NOT FLAG IF FOUND:

!!/scan stackoverflow.com/questions/14841714/…

SmokeDetector

@GrantGarrison Post Error when attempting pairwise comparisons following lme does not look like spam.

Byte Commander

maybe it breaks on multilines...

Grant Garrison

@SmokeDetector No meat found?

Catija

!!/scan interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/12823/36

SmokeDetector

10:06 PM

@Catija Post How to make amends for an (unexpected) embarrassing situation? does not look like spam.

Grant Garrison

It's broken

Catija

Ah. OK. Hmm...

Grant Garrison

!!/report interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/12823/36

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to make amends for an (unexpected) embarrassing situation? by AsleepAtTheLab on interpersonal.SE

SFTP

!!/scan blender.stackexchange.com/a/105832

SmokeDetector

10:07 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: blender game: spawn object by Gamerzangjack 21 on blender.SE

tpu- by Grant Garrison on How to make amends for an (unexpected) embarrassing situation? [MS]

tpu- by Floern

Processed Meat

4

Q: Is anything spam anymore?

I recently flagged this answer as spam It's an ad for iPistis and (since that's not enough) doesn't disclose the author's obvious affiliation: This flag was declined stating: a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it Is evidence looked for? If this isn't spam...

discussion declined-flags spam

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: What’s the origin of the Weird Sisters in Macbeth? by Thunder on mythology.SE

fp- by ByteCommander

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Cannot Launch League of Legends Game with Unknown DirectX Error by Nicola North on gaming.SE

SFTP

10:23 PM

@SmokeDetector k

Nicola? Apparently they ran out of female names

> In the UK and Germany, the male form Nicola has been used as a female name, which originally came from incorrectly presuming the name's vowel ending "a" was the female form, as has also occurred with the male given name Andrea.

TIL

Catija

As in "Nicola Tessla".

doppelgreener

10:52 PM

!!/watch themasters-golf\.ca

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad ns for domain in answer and Bad ns for domain in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

doppelgreener

!!/watch livemasters\.ca

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener Added livemasters\.ca to watchlist

doppelgreener

!!/watch frozen-four\.ca

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad ns for domain in answer and Bad ns for domain in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

doppelgreener

10:53 PM

!!/watch frozenfour2018\.ca

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener Added frozenfour2018\.ca to watchlist

doppelgreener

!!/watch-force frozen-four\.ca

SmokeDetector

@doppelgreener Added frozen-four\.ca to watchlist

doppelgreener

!!/watch-force themasters-golf\.ca

SmokeDetector