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12:41 AM

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A: Support for OpenID ends on July 1, 2018

If it's easy (big "if"), is there any chance of getting a site-agnostic global-auth login page at https://stackauth.com/users/login, for bots to use? It wouldn't be part of any user-facing website, so it wouldn't create any misleading expectations like preserving the login on stackexchange.com.

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Anonymous

@Undo That's a neat auth system.

Kinda an ugly hack, but I like it

1:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Capture screenshot of browser content (website) by Steven Richardson on stackoverflow.com

how many times have I made a new password, and 2 min later before I have written it down I have forgotten part of it, gah

tpu- by micsthepick

and I only remembered that chrome had saved it for me after I changed it :<

2:03 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Maximum degree of a polynomial of the form$\sum_{i=0}^n a_i x^{n-i}$ with $a_i = \pm 1$ for $0 \leq i \leq n, 1 \leq n$... by user539483 on math.SE

naa- by micsthepick

ooh

@micsthepick That's one of the reasons they make password managers.

I am now a core user on MS

@SmokeDetector Anyone know if "BugRem tool" from BugRem.com actually does take screen shots? This question is specifically asking or such tools. Thus, I'd normally go fp here.

@Makyen it's description seems to be: "Great teams trust BugRem on collecting feedback & tracking bugs. Bug tracking and browser testing was never easier. Try it for free."

According to the website: "Its usefulness is mainly in the management of the screenshots taken by the customers"

It doesn't seem free though; only a trial period.

IMO, not spam.

2:18 AM

...I forgot that JS can't even do basic STDLIB stuff right

the limit in .split doesn't give me the rest

It's advertising, but because the question asks for it, it's not spam under the definitions which are used on SO. It's a bad question, and I've voted to close, but that's not the fault of the answer.

fp- by Makyen on Capture screenshot of browser content (website) [MS]

Conflicting feedback on Capture screenshot of browser content (website).

i.e. "1 2 3".split(" ", 1) should be ["1", "2 3"] not ["1"]

Conflicting feedback on Capture screenshot of browser content (website).

coffeescript can't melt mind-numbingly stupid standards

oh and shoutouts to not having anything close to sprintf natively until ES6

2:24 AM

@quartata Functioning as documented. Not, necessarily, the most convenient implementation, but it's doing what it says on the tin. You can always create a wrapper which does what you desire.

not blaming the implementation

just blaming the design

Yeah, I can understand that. Having the remainder available is convenient for many things.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Nitridex When you lie down, elevate your waist by Olivialik on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by micsthepick

!!/test Nitridex

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

2:35 AM

!!/blacklist-keyword Nitridex

@micsthepick You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1702 for you.

Merged SmokeDetector #1702.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a7a0e99 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1702 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1520735716.1118858 --autopull) (running on teward/Supernova)

Restart: API quota is 15802.

2:58 AM

Merged SmokeDetector #1701.

CI on 31d7168 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 31d7168 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1701 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1520684568.6206055 --autopull) (running on teward/Supernova)

Restart: API quota is 15688.

3:11 AM

....CE for some reason needs a super bleeding edge Pytest that only works on 3.4+

@Makyen but it was deleted.... I would say that it's naa at it's best.

!!/feedback stackoverflow.com/a/49215796 naa

Conflicting feedback on Capture screenshot of browser content (website).

naa- by Makyen on Capture screenshot of browser content (website) [MS]

Conflicting feedback on Capture screenshot of browser content (website).

!!/feedback stackoverflow.com/a/49215796 naa

!!/feedback stackoverflow.com/a/49215796 naa

@micsthepick No such feedback.

@micsthepick this did not work for some reason

I can't seem to get my SD instance to pull

3:20 AM

@micsthepick MS thinks you have provided NAA feedback.

the second command worked when I edited it

@micsthepick You sure that it was the second command that worked? IIRC, the response from the API is different if you are giving a new type of feedback vs. the same.

I checked when I executed the first

maybe it was a refresh issue?

@micsthepick Could be. The response from SD is clearly indicating it had a problem with the 2nd command.

there were two commands

after the first

3:24 AM

@micsthepick stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/a/88/3

should we !!/rmblu stackoverflow.com/users/9473777

See what he wrote about using the -

@micsthepick I wouldn't, the post was borderline naa-spammy

> The feedback is simply called tpu, so you should do !!/feedback <post url> tpu and not !!/feedback <post url> tpu-.

Yes, the second command did not work when it had that

I don't have a problem leaving the user on the blacklist. The post was probably spam, but on an appropriate question. If they post something that's a good answer, then people will fp it, which will remove them from the blacklist (if done from chat).

@ArtOfCode confirmation code sent to you

3:26 AM

@ThomasWard how do I get my smokey instance to pull?

you need to configure it for git properly.

not trivial

how did you set up your instance

I cloned the repository to a rpi, and ran the setup steps

considering i'm not 100% today (i've unfortuantely been not feeling well today) explain what you mean by "pull"

!!/location

@ThomasWard teward/Supernova

why is this on supernova and not solar flare

3:28 AM

mine is configured not to report to CHQ

that wasn't my question

and is irrelevant to my question :p

how about answering the question i asked.

teward/Solar Flare received failover signal. (@quartata)

!!/standby teward/Supernova

teward/Supernova is switching to standby

I did every step in stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/questions/20

3:29 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 31d7168 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1701 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1520684568.6206055 --autopull) (running on teward/Supernova)

1 min ago, by Thomas Ward

considering i'm not 100% today (i've unfortuantely been not feeling well today) explain what you mean by "pull"

Restart: API quota is 15808.

^ THAT QUESTION

not the other one you already answered

@micsthepick there's two parts to pulling:

(1) git pull

(2) automatic triggering of git pull by pull requests and such

!!/alive

@ThomasWard You doubt me?

!!/location

3:30 AM

@ThomasWard teward/Solar Flare

@micsthepick if the bot is not in a channel and you cannot do !!/pull

I think 2 is what I am after

@micsthepick you can't.

that's embedded in the existing metasmoke processes

It is in this channel: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/74322/micsthepicks-smokey-testing

Yeah you need an MS key for autopull

3:32 AM

well, basically I wan't to execute !!/pull

@micsthepick since I don't see your bot connected to the central MetaSmoke instance, I have to assume you're either running your own MS instance

@micsthepick so just execute !!/pull

in the control channel for the bot

I did

and if that fails, then check the error logs

nothing happened

Oh. It ignores its own messages.

(you shouldn't run it on your own account)

3:33 AM

@micsthepick ^ that

GH?

@micsthepick create a second account

give the bot that accoiunt

you can't sanely run it from your own account because it ignores its own user ID's messages.

also you need to run it with nocrash for pull to work

gotcha

@ThomasWard it's by ID but yeah

3:34 AM

@quartata ultimately the same thing

@quartata (I ran with python3 nocrash.py)

still need to use a separate account

I used AquariusOne when I was testing the thing silently - AQ1 is my bot/sockpuppet

why can't i hold all these bot accounts

anyways you might also have git up wrong since when Thomas did it it didn't work

^ this

though i ended up saying "screw it" and since I already had the GH creds I just add SSH keys to the Smokey git account. But, i'm entrusted with those credentials, and SSH based git auth is saner than storing the password inside the git configs :P

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, no whitespace in body, repeating characters in body: Car Class (2 cars) by JMRey on stackoverflow.com

3:37 AM

but since you won't have that access, that's not an option for you

so you need to make sure you can sanely do git pull on the command line yourself.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to open a java project in eclipse? by Sergey on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by teward

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Ubuntu is a fucking shit by Sergey on askubuntu.com

tpu- by teward

tp- by Makyen on Car Class (2 cars) [MS]

4:00 AM

when I ran git pull it said that it was already up to date

4:11 AM

@JF do you know a way of working with Semantic UI without Gulp?

4:34 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Automatically install software on new Windows install by Levent on superuser.com

fp- by micsthepick

4:57 AM

!!/isblu stackoverflow.com/users/9473777

@paper1111 User is not blacklisted (9473777 on stackoverflow.com).

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching product name in body: Makers of each male enhancement technique by nitridexmale on apple.SE

tpu- by micsthepick

5:49 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Vision 20 Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary by user804550 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by iBug

!!/watch vision\W?20

@iBug Added vision\W?20 to watchlist

CI on 681ad04 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 681ad04 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of vision\W?20 by iBug --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

@SmokeDetector ?????? So fast...?

Restart: API quota is 19758.

6:06 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Their balanced affect clear bend of wheeze will get by Feray1967 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by Makyen

6:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Nonetheless, in this cut and try, by Youdly ent on drupal.SE

Nisse Engström

6:44 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: How to do more effective database testing? by Abgar Jabaly on sqa.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How can I profile SQL Azure? by Cotega on dba.SE

Nisse Engström

@SmokeDetector tpu-

@SmokeDetector fp-

Affiliation disclosed.

7:03 AM

tpu- by Makyen on Nonetheless, in this cut and try, [MS]

tpu- by Makyen on How to do more effective database testing? [MS]

fp- by Makyen

Nisse Engström

Does anyone know what's happened to /review? Four review items appear to be stuck.

tpu by PeterJ on Their balanced affect clear bend of wheeze will get [MS]

tpu by PeterJ on Makers of each male enhancement technique [MS]

tpu by PeterJ on Car Class (2 cars) [MS]

I just saw three there, do you still see others?

Nisse Engström

All gone now.

Not sure but I guess it might be most people give feedback using FIRE so don't take much notice of a few that get skipped

Just noticed though they did have other feedback already

Nisse Engström

7:12 AM

Yes. And the [Spam] button didn't work for me.

Has it been changed to expect multiple feedback, perhaps?

Yeah not sure, but I noticed myself that all have at least two feedbacks and previously a lot of people wouln't bother for the blatant ones so I'm guessing you're right

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: To at which interface they fated by Anke1985 on askubuntu.com

@NisseEngström @PeterJ Policy was changed to require 2 feedbacks per post. Post will remain in review until there are two feedbacks.

Mar 7 at 3:12, by ArtOfCode

Okay, changes to require 2 feedbacks on every post pushed.

tpu- by Makyen

Ahh ok thanks, probably not a bad idea to have a second set of eyes over everything

7:28 AM

They're meant to dissappear from your review queue if you've already reviewed them, but apparently that's bugged

tpu by Nisse Engström

Nisse Engström

That explains it. Thanks.

feature-request: limit pre block height in MS so that long posts don't make it require extra effort to get to the bottom of the page

status-declined

Or more accurately, status-meh

I'm looking at wingding trolls

7:42 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: It for the most part impacts our by Theels ent on drupal.SE

@SmokeDetector k

tpu by PeterJ

So you know, Wingding is known for ~~being a bad Windows font~~ posting extremely long trolling posts.

@iBug userscript

It used to mess SO users by making it hard to scroll through, and now it makes it hard to scroll through MS.

@Makyen not experienced in US

7:44 AM

@iBug Give me a post URL

I think it's only a few lines' change to the CSS

@Makyen metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/50825

also, Mr. W hasn't posted anything for more than 2 months

!!/test 8==================D (wtf?)

> Offensive body detected, offensive title detected
----------
Title - Offensive keyword: *8==================D*
Post - Offensive keyword: *8==================D*

oh, the code's still there.

@mee Your Channels join link: stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/join/…

8:00 AM

hmm, testing new features?

@Undo What's that for? Am I supposed to join there?

@NVZ See the top pinned message on the star board

@Makyen That is exactly what my above message was a reply to.

Do I need to join Channels to continue being here?

@NVZ Oops. I didn't click the reply marker to see what you were replying to. Sorry about that.

And how do I get an @charcoal email address? Do I need it?

8:11 AM

@iBug You can use this userscript.

@NVZ afaik it's not open to public

@NVZ No, it's not necessary.

@Makyen uh, really a simple CSS change

@NVZ Yes, you'll need one to sign up for the channel. You follow the exact instructions in Undo's message to get one.

@Mithrandir The link takes me to a sign-up page. There is no other message.

8:14 AM

Look at the rest of the message.

@NVZ yep, then put <your SE username>@channels-verify.erwaysoftware.com in the email box

@Mithrandir You don't need one. Most popular email providers can be used to signup for the channel.

@iBug this has been removed

SE/Meta/confused users got annoyed at us

@angussidney Does it affect already signed-up users?

@angussidney So I should write in NVZ@channels-verify.erwaysoftware.com inside that?

@angussidney I do not have any existing account as such.

8:16 AM

Doesn't look like it. I haven't heard a huge number of complaints

@iBug Yep. Although, you could get more complex if you wanted to adjust the maximum body height based on the size of the user's viewport. The 450px was just what was reasonable for me (i.e. under the few conditions I tested, it still allowed me to see everything else on the page I was interested in). Obviously, you should adjust it to what works for you.

@NVZ yep

@angussidney error: "You need a valid email address from one of following domains: @charcoal-se.org, @channel-verify.erwaysoftware.com"

@Makyen Thanks for that handy US.

@NVZ looks like someone made a typo in either the Channels setup or Undo's starred message

Try NVZ@channel-verify.erwaysoftware.com

8:19 AM

@angussidney I tried with nvz@charcoal-se.org and it says "A verification email has been sent to nvz@charcoal-se.org.". So where do I see that email?

@NVZ if this works properly, you'll get a ping in chat any second now

@iBug np. I was working on userscripts anyway. Joining the Charcoal Team really messed with the SO UI. I'm almost at the point where it's back to being acceptable. That doesn't count having to adapt the top-bar back to where I want it.

Like this one:

24 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

@mee Your Channels join link: https://stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/join/confirmation?token=473d431a-e91b-453e-‌a556-6cbbf0514039

@angussidney How's it sent?

However, given that someone made a typo, it isn't

8:21 AM

@angussidney Hmm.. Does it matter that I have never had such an account? I think...

@NVZ what type of account are you talking about? You have an SE account

@angussidney I have an SE account with a personal email ID. It's not NVZ@ anything.

@NVZ yeah, that email verification thing is a hackish solution that Undo put together so that you don't have to have a @charcoal-se.org email

Basically, you put in the email, which is unique so SO will send an email to it

Hmm.. I suppose we'll wait and see.

Then Undo's email server will look at the email, take the link from inside, and ping the user

8:23 AM

@nvz Your Channels join link: stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/join/…

There we go \o/

Hahaa

I'm in.

So that's what channels look like.

@SmokeDetector (blah) Why is the username lowercase?

@Mith could you please edit Undo's starred message to remove the s from channels-verify?

(only pinging you because you're the last active mod)

Done

8:32 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, +4 more: www.garciniacambogialean.com/nitridex-reviews by Chous1933 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by micsthepick

when you have three Charcoal HQ tabs open and the ping userscript installed, and just one report sends a jolt through your brain

Alternative defibrillation

@ArtOfCode ty

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: As con arraigning the association by Grang ent on drupal.SE

tpu- by angussidney

tpu by PeterJ

wait, make that four tabs

8:41 AM

just mod the US and add a dead loop around the pinging part

ohh yeah, fun times

you can even add pitch offset and an interval to make it play some music

even better, add multiple notes at the same time to make chords

CI on 19ff8a8 failed.

@micsthepick that's hard

@micsthepick Checkout this repo of mine.

8:45 AM

what environment was it compiled in?

@micsthepick Windows XP or newer

CI on 56627ca succeeded.

what I wanted to know is whether the exe is 32 or 64 bit

It calls WinAPI Beep() to emit sound, and it's only supported in Windows XP or later (theoretically, W2000 Professional with SP4 would also work, but who uses that antique?)

@micsthepick Should be 32bit, IIRC.

guessing by the fact it runs on my system, it must be

8:49 AM

MinGW GCC just haven't generated any 64bit EXE for me since some time ago

How's my program?

On charcoal channel, I see that most of the 49 questions and answers are posted by a few users. So if I vote, would those votes be reversed as "voting fraud"?

have not got it to run successfully yet, give me a moment.

You need play.txt in the same directory.

and to provide it as an argument it would seem

but it keeps crashing

Is there a "meta" for a particular Channel?

8:51 AM

not yet

yup, should work if you supply a different file via cmdlineargs

@NVZ stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/questions/12/…

rn it does not work at all

can you compile from the source by yourself?

just g++.exe BeepPlay.cpp should be ok

or cl.exe BeepPlay.cpp if you have VS

@Mithrandir Okay, so I 've posted a meta Q there.

8:54 AM

I was going to compile on cygwin, but I don't think that will work will it

idk about Cygwin

I use MinGW

I don't have g++ and cl.exe is not on the path (if I even have it?)

but, as long as it compiles, it should work

so Cygwin shouldn't be a problem.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: Array of tuple not working by dsd on stackoverflow.com

naa- by micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

Nisse Engström

9:00 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

ok, cygwin does work

@micsthepick gibberish is classed as rude/abusive not NAA.

I just can only run it on cygwin

@SmokeDetector rude

@DavidPostill unless it's posted by someone who's been for a while

@micsthepick How is it?

pretty cool

I made a similar application on scratch :P

9:09 AM

@iBug ?

@micsthepick Yes, programs compiled in Cygwin should only run in Cygwin

@DavidPostill There's a consensus that we don't flag gibberish from non-new users, only NAA.

Glorfindel told me, not sure where it is exactly.

tb clear, it is R/A, but we don't flag as such if it's posted by experienced users.

@iBug Huh. It's non new users who should really know better, so it's even more rude coming from them.

@DavidPostill go to askglorfindel.stackexchange.com :)

Now one could argue that Wingding is a "non-new user"

71

A: Let's get aligned on how spam flags can be used

I vote the following: Red flags on gibberish are okay (handle as Helpful). Do we really want "sdfiushrf;usrgbsrilbslfibsl.eifub!" sticking around the site for longer than necessary? Red flags put the ability to remove these posts in the hands of a much wider scope of the community than communit...

searching for Glorfindel's message...

9:18 AM

in any case, this info should be added to charcoal-se.org/smokey/Feedback-Guidance

Aug 10 '17 at 9:47, by Glorfindel

Also, the official guidance on gibberish by non-new users is to flag as NAA (subreason: cat on keyboard), not R/A.

and either here: charcoal-se.org/training/reports, or on a linked page

@iBug That doesn't help. Where is the link to something that defines that policy.

@DavidPostill @Glorfindel (I give up, you know where the link is, present David with it)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Ethereum downloading blocks stuck by agrinevich on ethereum.SE

9:23 AM

@DavidPostill You could ask TL for a quicker response.

Or you check the context for other messages that may potentially contain the link

I would argue that the current policy as it is is not clear on this matter

@DavidPostill chat.stackexchange.com/…

and is up for interpretation

it says to use naa if:

> the post is not spam, abusive, offensive etc. (use k)
> you would flag the post as Not An Answer on the site itself

The one we just had was clearly good for R/A

I was talking about potential cases by experienced users.

which depends on whether you consider gibberish from an established user as spam/offensive.

9:33 AM

@micsthepick askglorfindel.stackexchange.com

FWIW, the Chinese one, after the comma, ad胡说八道是不好的会计年度南京发布电脑数据开放不会别的女尽可能sdfghjkl的法国红酒可怜 should come from the keystroke sequence adhsbdsbhdkjndnjfbdnsjkfbhbdnjknsdfghjkldfghjkl (middle row + BNM (last 3 keys from the bottom row)), so is it gibberish? Whoever reasonable should know. — iBug 5 mins ago

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Max Gains Benefits Price Side Effects Does it Work? by user804599 on askubuntu.com

tpu- by micsthepick

tpu by PeterJ

!!/test trenoven

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

!!/watch trenoven

@micsthepick You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1703 for you.

fp- by Zoe on Ethereum downloading blocks stuck [MS]

fp by micsthepick on Ethereum downloading blocks stuck [MS]

9:45 AM

Max Gains

a risky keyword to watch/black

mhm

have a sense that it's cause some extra FP on programming/maths sites

but a good catch on AU/Drupal, etc.

I would watch max\Wgains\Wtrenoven if it were not covered by previous watch

!!/test max gains trenoven

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

9:47 AM

PR not pulled

Merged SmokeDetector #1703.

!!/test max gains trenoven

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

@micsthepick Not restarted yet.

CI on 169a39f succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 169a39f (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1703 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1520761386.4791508 --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

9:49 AM

!!/test max gains trenoven

> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
----------
Title - Position 11-19: trenoven
Body - Position 11-19: trenoven
Username - Position 11-19: trenoven

Restart: API quota is 18541.

Link "Other awesome people on github" in charcoal-se.org/smokey/Privileges is dead

have I given enough blacklist items to be eligible for code admin?

@micsthepick you sure?

I want the role?

No, the link is dead

It's working for me, and it should be visible to outside members

9:58 AM

github.com/orgs/Charcoal-SE/teams/oaps/members 404 for me

404s for me too

I should pay attention to which message people reply from more often...

@micsthepick I'm sorry but I don't have time to take a proper look and evaluate at the moment, maybe ask one of the other admins when they come online or I might be able to do it another day

@micsthepick status-norepro

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Getting Started with DataTables by Creative Technocrayts on stackoverflow.com

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