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8:03 PM
@Undo Think it's safe for me to take out the autoflagging debugs?
The original problem is definitely gone
and I haven't noticed any other autoflagging quirks
a quick query for autoflagged != true, reason_weight > 200 would probably alleviate my fears
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: The image cannot be displayed because it contains errors [Image generator] by Ali Cool Cab on stackoverflow.com (@iBug)
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8:16 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: HTML Autoplay one video then loop another by Birgül oral on stackoverflow.com (@iBug)
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8:32 PM
@Mego love your penguin, its got very happy feet :)
 
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Someone just gave me a random down-vote on my only Stack Overflow question :(
 
@JakeSymons Now someone just gave you a random upvote /o\
 
@JohnMiliter thanks to that someone :)
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A: HTML Autoplay one video then loop another

Birgül oralhello frends my transparent video playing again and again how can i stop on single turning (one loop) http://www.dugunslayti.net/ts/

 
8:42 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: HTML Autoplay one video then loop another by Birgül oral on stackoverflow.com (@iBug)
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:O This conflict means war!
 
@SmokeDetector I think we know theirs conflicting feedback, no need to say it 8 times :)
 
@JohnMiliter In general, you're not supposed to to give feedback on posts which you !!/report, unless obvious spam.
@JohnMiliter @DavidPostill @Videonauth @JakeSymons IMO, this is not actually spam, but was an attempt to provide an example for or ask another question about the user's other answer (with code) just above this one. The destination site shows transparent video, which is what their answer was about. The video isn't in English, so I'm not sure if it's actually advertising anything. Did anyone listen to the video who understands what was being said?
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9:00 PM
@Makyen Registered answer as false positive and removed user from the blacklist.
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@Makyen Its been deleted now anyway, as far as I can see
 
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@SmokeDetector naa
 
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9:01 PM
Can someone stop Smokey saying conflicting feedback please, is there a !!shutup command?
 
@Makyen Yeah, that should have been naa and manually removing from blacklist.
 
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@JohnMiliter Flag changed to NAA. If it's not spam why did you !!/report it?
 
@JakeSymons yes, SD 1000K
Or used to, at least
Yes, I'm so proud of wrecking Smokey at that time.
 
@DavidPostill I linked it in but didn't report it to start with, I got it from so close voters
 
9:04 PM
I'll tell my grandkids: "You won't believe this son, but I once crashed the president"
@JakeSymons I imagine so close voters VTC a question until it gets 4 votes, then leave the votes to age away. So close!
 
@JakeSymons I know. I was asking @JohnMiliter why he reported it. We do not report NAAs.
 
@DavidPostill mistake, perhaps
 
Sorry, it looked a lot like spam to me.
 
Everyone is allowed to make a mistake
 
@JakeSymons SOCVR actually got it from this SD report.
 
9:07 PM
Except you David
 
lol
@M.A.R. Even I make mistakes - that's why I occasionally change my feedback ;)
 
Okay so this one report came from Smokey, then went to close voters, came back to here, and then conflicted. What a journey for one post :)
 
It seems I'm trying to lighten up the mood but the mood is wet.
 
!!/watch prashadamfood\.com
 
@WELZ You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1628 for you.
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9:19 PM
@quartata It probably is. That was an interesting problem you found there.
@Mego Removed 2FA on your account after carefully verifying your identity video.
@quartata We're still on Passenger
 
@Undo I saw your comment on the MS post about the meta - did shog decide it's time for another mSE post instead?
 
Instead of the giant post-for-each-meta operation, he's offered to [feature] something on mSE - which gets us exactly what we want and more, in one place.
 
sd f
 
9:26 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore
 
@Undo Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
 
sd f
 
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Ignore feedback really shouldn't be counted in that
 
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9:33 PM
Recent Developments: (1) Shog got back with deletion times for all 85,567 true positives we had as of a few days ago. He's awesome.
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Wow, impressive.
 
J F
(2)?
or am I about to be bludgeoned by a giant S?
 
was about to say..
 
(2) sharpening S
 
@Undo I wonder when we will reach the point where there's nothing to develop about Smokey
 
9:35 PM
(2b) He also pointed out that we could get these ourselves in the future through SEDE. It's kinda painful due to site switching, but totally possible. I completely forgot about PostsWithDeleted, so that's helpful
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@M.A.R. Eventually it'll be AI and it will develop itself.
 
(3) I foolishly opened my AP Statistics textbook again, and it inspired me to propose this:
 
uh oh
 
Why can't we do a real statistics test of how autoflag counts affect post deletion timings? We could let metasmoke cast rand(1, max) where max changes to 4 or 5. Within a week or two we could easily have statistically significant results with confidence bounds and all kinds of fancy stuff.
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Is there an API for data.SE?
 
9:37 PM
@JF @TimStone would know, but we could always userscript it.
 
JAD
@Undo simple glm model I'd say
 
@JAD Sounds like you know more about this than I do. Surprising, given my extensive background in reading a stats textbook yesterday.
 
JAD
:D
Or... you could go all out and throw a survival analysis model against it :D
seems fitting
 
JAD
well, seeing as SEDE updates weekly, I'm not sure how useful an api would be
 
9:44 PM
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A: Hide the broken OData link in Data Explorer

reneMy pull request was merged on Mar 27, 2015 and that was pushed, together with the recent changes needed for the Google Authentication, to production. Fixed and live in rev 2015.4.22.34

so I wasn't hallucinating a SEDE API, but it's been broken since 2015
 
@Undo Why? What outcomes are you looking for, and what would we change?
 
@DJMcMayhem It'd give us real, indisputable data about what affect autoflagging really has on deletion times
 
Is that data to satisfy our curiosity or to help us refine something?
 
So far we have averages - which are pretty convincing for the 1/3 jump - but it'd be awesome to get a real curve showing what affect it has.
@DJMcMayhem There are questions about whether the 3-5 jump is 'worth it' - I think it definitely is, but I have no data at all to show that
 
Ahh. I didn't realize there was a proposal to go to 5
 
9:49 PM
ah, yeah. That's been the driving force for the last couple days.
It's been... invigorating.
We could just flip the switch to 5 across the board for a week or two and see what happens, but if we're experimenting anyway why not do it 'right'?
 
What's holding us back from just going straight to 5? (Or 2 on some sites)
 
@DJMcMayhem social dynamics
The numbers pretty indisputably say that it would be safe, but network mods are skittish of the idea.
 
I mean it is kinda scary leaving it up to a single user to delete any post, so that's understandable
But the accuracy is insanely high so it doesn't bother me
 
Nor me - but we both live in this project way more than most people, so we trust it more than some do
 
@Undo Remind me again, how many autoflags do we cast on sites that need 3 flags to delete?
 
9:52 PM
1?
yeah, 1
 
And would we change that to 2?
 
If we move to 5, that would be consistent.
 
Those two sites that do that are outliers; I haven't thought about them much. If we go to 4 on the 6-flag sites, probably leave it at one. If we go to 5, 2 would make sense
 
Honestly though, why do those two sites still have a lower limit?
 
I don't even remember
 
9:53 PM
@Mithrandir It hasn't done harm, and no one's moved it back as a result
 
I mean... if moving it to three hasn't done any harm why not have it at 3 everywhere?
 
Resistance to change, mostly. And it hasn't been necessary, probably because of us.
 
@Mithrandir less autoflags, duh (harder to get marshal) :P
 
@Undo Also, easier to abuse (3 15 rep socks vs. 6 15 rep socks). I'd guess people abusing that is rare though.
 
10:15 PM
@thesecretmaster Yeah, but the three 15 rep socks are not that effective. They can only affect the posts which were autoflagged, which would very rarely match up with posts which the puppet-master had created the socks to handle (unless you're countering your competitor's spam). If you're running sock-puppets in order to delete posts by spam flagging, then the goal is to delete the questions you choose, not just those which the autoflagging gives you the opportunity to delete a bit easier.
 
@Makyen He's talking about the sites that have a 3 flag threshold instead of a 6 flag one
 
@Undo Ahh... Completely missed that. Obviously, I'd understood it to be w/ vs. w/o autoflagging. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Nah, anything autoflagged is very likely to be spam/vlq anyways.
 
Unless you set your threshold annoyingly low, like me
 
Also, I dunno if anyone can answer this for me, but I've been curious: How do y'all get TTD data? Because AFAIK deletions don't show up in the realtime socket, and polling would be expensive.
 
Oh, thanks.
I didn't realize. That seems weird, because if you clicked the link in the realtime feed it'd 404.
 
it's not the same action as 155-questions-active
this is the one that handles the "This post has been deleted and can no longer be viewed; click to reload the page"
 
Oh, I had no idea there were different actions. Is there a list somewhere?
 
@thesecretmaster In the past, it hasn't been accurately recorded. The code to record more complete deletion-time data from the realtime socket is recent. To backfill, the the Shog9 endpoint was called, in addition to supplying the data, that endpoint responded that such deletion-time data is available through SEDE.
 
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Q: How do the Stack Exchange WebSockets work? What are all the options you can send to them?

DoorknobThe Stack Exchange WebSockets are handy for various things (like handling spam). For example, try running this JavaScript in your browser's console: var w = new WebSocket("ws://qa.sockets.stackexchange.com/"); w.onmessage = function(e) { data = JSON.parse(e.data) data.data = JSON.parse...

 
10:38 PM
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Thanks @quartata
 
for instance Inferno is using -review-dashboard-update for the review post type right now
the websockets have a lot of goodies
 
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@quartata probably older, need me to bump it?
 
10:53 PM
no that problem got solved
 
OK
sorry i was at the car show in town :P
with my dad, because WHY NOT :P
 
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@quartata mind if I ask what the problem was?
 
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metasmoke went down, then came back up and did that thing where it immediately fails over a random instance (happened to be Lunar), then someone put solar into standby and then metasmoke went down again and we were stuck with an instance that wasn't listening to commands because it had that ancient bug
luckily it came back up about 30 minutes later and since someone had tried a !!/pull it managed to run that before it died from the inevitable broken pipe
 
10:59 PM
@quartata ah. well thankfully those instances are pretty resilient and responsive in terms of system resources.
glad they didn't explodify too horribly
 
that bug was really weird
I think it was because I basically duct-taped the failover so that it just ran init again and ended up opening two sockets, but without actually joining the rooms
glad I fixed that
 
heh
 
eventually one of the sockets blows up
 
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Q: Walter White sent me here

quizhead How did this show influenced Chemistry studies ? Why is Meth considered to be the "highest" chemical drug ? Does Meth cooking is done correctly in the show ?

R/A?
 
no it's just a stupid question
how to mend goodly?
 
11:06 PM
I mean, the title
 
*bigly
@M.A.R. walter white is character from breaking bad
the show they're asking about
 
I believe he's technically saying "big league".
 
Lots happens when I'm at work, huh
Still, money is kinda useful
 
@quartata dude I know, but they're asking in a site full of chemists, not movie fans. And, it's similar to most other trolls posts
 
@ArtOfCode yes. It allows purchasing invertable plush creatures.
 
11:18 PM
@Catija them's the ones
I've got a bunch of stuff to go on twitter that I couldn't do this weekend because I don't have the creds with me
 
Whee!!! Looking forward to them.
 
Wheel!?
 
@quartata felt like much less than 30 minutes
 
11:42 PM
 
not sure, at least to be closed.
 
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@ByteCommander yes, but sometimes when these types are auto reported by SD (because of a link or email etc.) get feedbacked as tp
 
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@thesecretmaster You already can't create a flag condition that's under 99.5% accurate or hits fewer than 1000 posts - effectively, the worst you can do is 995/1000
My to-do list tonight:
[ ] Import Shog's data into metasmoke
[ ] Make a graph or two with said data
[ ] Read that gist in detail
 
11:56 PM
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