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4:02 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How to replace a string in multiple files in linux command line by jiasir on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
^ vlq/naa
 
Am I right that Smokey no longer removes posts from a room once they are deleted on main?
 
4:17 PM
I thought it only happened within the first 2 minutes or something...
 
yeah, that for sure, that is the edit grace period
smokey isn't an RO
at least not in SOCVR
 
Ah, sorry
 
Normal and reply commands work, but the shorthand is giving mysterious errors....
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Is usually completely just one successful by Oliviamartian on superuser.com
tpu- by DraconicPenguin
tpu- by DraconicPenguin
 
4:38 PM
Affiliate link.
 
yea
 
in Root Access, 13 mins ago, by bwDraco
Just an FYI to the community: My availability is going to be very limited over the next ten days as I have lots of sports photography to do. The weather has not been kind lately so a whole bunch of games got rescheduled for the coming weeks.
(I'm a sports photographer for my alma mater)
 
that's a cool job
do you get paid?
 
Yeah. Not much, but I do it mainly because it's fun.
 
4:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What is an idiom for overcoming a life obstacle? by juan on english.SE
 
(it's Spanish, but it's rude)
 
naa- by DraconicPenguin
tpu- by DraconicPenguin
 
@Henders heh, no need to be sorry. I'm not angry at you, this is how the Dutch express themselves normally. So if anything I need to be sorry.
 
Hey, where have all the pinned messages gone?
 
to the pin bin?
I think they have expired?
 
4:46 PM
I didn't even know they could expire, but then again, I'm not a RO.
 
Pins expire after 14 days.
 
@Glorfindel should I repin them?
 
repinned
anything else I shoul repin?
 
4:50 PM
tpu- by Riker
 
No, that's it. Thanks!
 
:D np
nice to be blue
@Glorfindel fwiw, if it expires again, I can't repin it again
somebody else would have to
you can only pin something once per pinner
 
I guess that by that time, some of the links need to be changed anyway. Development here takes 6-8 minutes, instead of weeks.
 
@Riker Really? That's got to be a bug.
 
no
it's to stop pin-wars iirc
@DavidPostill bascially, if you pin something and another RO/mod removes it, you can repin
 
and system unpins after 2 wks count as that
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Choosing the right condenser by Linda Marie B on chemistry.SE
tpu- by Riker
 
@Riker Ah. I didn't think mods would stoop so low as to have pin wars ...
 
not sure its' pin wars per se, but kinda pin cold wars
 
Pin wars are certainly possible, and some ROs are indeed that childish. :/
 
4:54 PM
true, ROs are subject also
 
@M.A.R. \o
 
@rene \o
Well, you're not childish. You're just rene
2
I was thinking ROs in Sci-fi.SE with that other F and ROs in sites like gaming etc.
Sites which are much more prone to childishism than SO, because they're about stuff children do as well as adults
 
@JasonC it's an affilate link for amazon
i.e. he gets money if something is purchased by the link
 
@Riker @JasonC has just told me it doesn't after posting the same thing in a comment?
 
5:00 PM
?
 
I'm confused too bcoz I thought it did - I stand to be corrected though
 
it's an affilate link
 
naa- by Glorfindel
 
5:16 PM
@CalvT No it does I just didn't know. The link could be expanded with the affiliate params removed.
 
@Riker you know Amazon affiliate links get rewritten to SO's own affiliate, right?
 
Still it doesn't appear to be spam to me. Unintentional best case, obnoxious worst case.
@ArtOfCode The shortened ones don't. That was the issue on that one.
 
@ArtOfCode not when the URL is already rewritten by a URL shortener.
 
<what they said>
 
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
5:20 PM
@SmokeDetector Haha 6 feedbacks, all prolly by FDSC. Nice
 
it's dead now
 
Is "From Review" on MS the /review page?
 
aye
 
@JasonC Well, some of my feedback wasn't from that page but chat I think, but it said it was "from review"
Dunno
 
5:24 PM
@Glorfindel NO ROUTE FOR YOU!
 
@JasonC it seems you only have access to that page if you provided feedback (which MAR did).
 
MAR is the best
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Regular expression that disallows spaces and limits length by Paz on stackoverflow.com
fp- by Glorfindel
 
5:40 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in answer: nth root implementation by ccct on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Henders
 
deleted, can't view
 
@JasonC Screenshot? PRETTY PLEASE (。◕‿‿◕。)
 
lol it's really not worth the hype...
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 3 '16 at 21:06, by Nisse Engström
Odd, but not nearly as bizarre as the user who posted some C code with #pragma's and asked why the compiler complained about #progma, and then proceeded to suggest an edit to the answer to change all instances of #pragma to #progma.
 
5:56 PM
Haha!
 
Teehee
Users are weird
Mostly idiots
 
6:08 PM
Smokey has a nice network ID
4606062
 
@ArtOfCode Disagree. I find that number to be tasteless, tacky, and highly offensive. Wanna fight?
 
@JasonC taps diamond in palm
 
ABUSE! ABUSE OF POWER! TYPICAL SE MAFIA!
 
I'm sure you meant "thank you for your mercy o great benevolent leader".
 
Oh man I am so going to post a rant on SO about this. I won't even have the decency to put it on the meta.
 
6:21 PM
There's a lot of anger coursing through the veins of the internet after the legalization of ISP's gathering and selling their user's private information.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Copy and paste in VMWare doesn't work by Arfa Hashmi on stackoverflow.com
 
I can feel it on reddit.
 
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
reason #2764 that I'm glad I live in the UK
 
@NisseEngström Localization maybe?
 
6:37 PM
@EricLeschinski meh, if you want anonymity setup a socks5 proxy through a ssh tunnel to a vps configured with TOR
 
7
Q: Make creating a dev story part of the "new user" privilege

ArtOfCodeUsers with developer stories (beyond very minimal stories) currently can't be destroyed by moderators. Spammers are using this (warning, spammer link) to circumvent destruction of their user accounts, which is less than ideal. Obviously SE staff can still remove these user accounts, but the extra...

 
@QPaysTaxes I got the info on that from TL, so I'll ping my source if anyone questions it
 
6:56 PM
@EricLeschinski Oh yeah, that
Hopes slightly more dashed but otherwise same old crappy world and WaPo's got some good clickbait headline material for a while.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthpowerzone.com/juvexil/ by deweykitch on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
7:20 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Connecting to MySQL DB in Java by rettlsteiner on stackoverflow.com
naa- by Glorfindel
 
OK I can't debug this
 
(affiliate link edited out)
 
That doesn't mean the original post wasn't (probable) spam.
 
@ArtOfCode @Undo @everyonelse pls debug unwind_prev_messages: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector-ng
 
where?
 
7:42 PM
It's in smokey_chat and it's used in dispatch_shorthand_command in smokey_commands
 
Phew, that was like being run over by a truck
 
question
why do all the files have to be prefixed with smokey_?
 
I was wondering that as well
 
@ArtOfCode because before it was in my smokey assorted junk directory so i needed a way to tell what was what
 
I'm gonna throw it in PyCharm and see if it can refactor that automatically...
 
7:50 PM
pro-tip: directories are cheap. Smurfing isn't.
 
@Art whenever you got the time, maybe you need to talk to GD mods a bit. They don't like Charcoal at all
 
@ArtOfCode Too late
 
@M.A.R. what've y'all done this time ;)
 
@ArtOfCode Eh, I guess they haven't forgotten the previous drama
 
linky?
@quartata nice
 
7:52 PM
@ArtOfCode The power of rename
 
@quartata has that renamed all the imports too?
...no, no it hasn't
 
....
 
and this is why I was going to load it into PyCharm :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How to redirect an error 404 to home page with .htaccess? by Mumbai Angels on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
It's boiling out, my brain isn't coping well
 
7:56 PM
oh, this is a nice fustercluck
 
@ArtOfCode I fixed it.
quicky sed
 
what's the betting that's caused issues somewhere
 
It started fine.
I checked.
 
honestly, @M.A.R./@tripleee, if problems start on GD it may be easier just to ping an admin
 
I'm pretty sure this was a compliment:
> @JasonC so you are not reasonable. Having seen how many times "awesome" appears in your profile, I can understand why. – Weather Vane 44 mins ago
 
8:03 PM
lol
 
API quota rolled over with 11730 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
stackoverflow: 411
askubuntu: 99
superuser: 80
drupal: 61
unix: 59
electronics: 53
math: 51
salesforce: 49
es.stackoverflow: 43
chemistry: 41
dba: 39
scifi: 38
english: 37
apple: 33
mathoverflow.net: 32
gis: 31
meta: 29
gaming: 28
movies: 27
physics: 26
stats: 26
wordpress: 26
softwareengineering: 26
mathematica: 25
travel: 24
security: 24
tex: 23
sharepoint: 23
worldbuilding: 22
ell: 22
workplace: 21
ru.stackoverflow: 20
graphicdesign: 20
money: 20
pt.stackoverflow: 20
magento: 20
webapps: 17
judaism: 16
 
In all fairness I checked and I'm pretty high in the ranks, lol.
 
@ArtOfCode The problem is it wasn't a problem, TBH. Tripleee aimed to help deal with spam better
But they didn't cooperate well, as far as I can tell, because of the previous dispute
 
@M.A.R. that's our side of the story.
 
aye
 
8:05 PM
The problem is that even though we follow the rules, it can be rather intimidating if a low-rep user tells a handful of moderators how they should run their site.
2
 
someone tell me what the original debate was?
 
@ArtOfCode IIRC a GD mod locked a spam post, and some of us got upset about that.
 
and now they're mad at us?
 
@Glorfindel what
 
@Glorfindel so... exactly what happened last time?
 
8:06 PM
locked??
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: What should I know about Staffing Agencies? by Cloud Consulting Services Inc on mathoverflow.net
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What should I know about Staffing Agencies? by Datamanusa LLC on mathoverflow.net
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
@ArtOfCode do you mean today, or a couple of months back?
 
@ArtOfCode IIRC an overreaction to a mis-handle of spam in a quiet time when no one was around to cool people off escalated
 
8:07 PM
@quartata yes, locked, which disables any flagging on it.
 
what on earth
 
@Glorfindel I'm trying to work out what the source of today's dispute was
 
@Glorfindel There wasn't much drama today. Close to no drama
 
@M.A.R. raises eyebrows
 
@ArtOfCode I think reading today's transcript of The Ink Spot is enough.
 
8:08 PM
But there was some angriness and defensiveness from their side, which is natural
 
@Glorfindel yeah, I've done that, but I can't figure out why the animosity started
 
A group of people who look like a gang you picked a fight with a few months back appear here today again. What do you do?
@ArtOfCode Well, I did occasionally want to punch something because they kept thinking I implied things I didn't imply, but my threshold for drama is higher
 
Maybe relevant to the "Apple spam is removed quicker:" doesn't Apple have a 3-flag threshold, while GD is still at 6?
 
@NobodyNada nope, Apple is at 6 as well.
@ArtOfCode I haven't done so, so you know more about it than me now :P
 
@NobodyNada Thing is, we weren't complaining about anything today, while GD mods were complaining that we were complaining. o.o
So it's like everyone spoke English but no one understood one another.
 
8:14 PM
lemme work the thing out before we all start pointing fingers
 
@ArtOfCode Sure, the whole transcript is available
 
@M.A.R. yeah, I'm talking to the GD mods
 
I was thinking the best thing to do would be to disengage and leave everything be, but then I thought if mods don't solve it among themselves, this is gonna happen again sooner or later
 
Few months forward, someone would say they're from Charcoal and everything would get hostile again
 
8:18 PM
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
@SmokeDetector K
OK then, I trust Art to handle this effectively with his sheer awesomeness
 
if it comes to the point where they don't want Smokey...
Feb 22 at 15:07, by J F
I’d say disable Charcoal on sites for a week if they want, then ask again and see if they want it back.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Might be Fired due to Burnout? by Half Life on workplace.SE
 
pretty sure it won't come to that
 
@ArtOfCode that's good
 
8:26 PM
@SmokeDetector v
 
tpu- by NobodyNada
 
I clicked rude by accident; sorry
@SmokeDetector v
 
@Glorfindel User removed from blacklist (49290 on workplace.stackexchange.com).
 
BTW, today another previous drama was reincarnated in my mind
For which I apparently earned a Reversal badge and forgot all about it. o.o
 
8:28 PM
I read the transcript, but I have no idea why they're upset...is it just because we were wondering why it takes longer for spam to be deleted, or is it because they don't want us to delete spam?
 
@NobodyNada The TL;DR; is one of my messages, a moment
 
@M.A.R. @tripleee Could you (both) give me the one-sentence summary of what started the thing last night?
 
@NobodyNada import crystal.ball
 
@NobodyNada what I don't get is where's the evidence that says spam takes longer to get deleted on GD?
 
in The Ink Spot, 2 hours ago, by M.A.R.
@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ I see. There seems to be this feeling that we're (Charcoal is) questioning your handling of spam, while neither I nor tripleee thought anything like that when coming here.
@Nob @Undo ^
Or even Art ^
 
8:30 PM
in The Ink Spot, 16 hours ago, by tripleee
@Ryan thanks. I don't have numbers yet but I received a database dump and intend to look into it to see if my subjective impression is based on significant real differences
 
So to them we seem like raiders who question their ability to be mods
 
afk for lunch
 
Simply because their first encounter a few months back was because of a mis-handle of a spam by a mod
 
@ArtOfCode am I helping at all/can I help at all, or would you like me to just shut up and let you deal with it?
 
Which is ... strange ... because longer deletion times would indicate less active users, not less active moderators.
 
8:32 PM
@NobodyNada you're good
 
So whatever I said had this implication that I question their ability to handle spam
 
@Glorfindel or mods, since the mods don't delete the spam right away
@ArtOfCode thanks!
 
But whatever I said on that chat today was the normal me
Which isn't much, but doesn't cause drama
 
Okay. Undo is pulling data on this. I don't think GD is any faster or slower than the average, but we'll see. Apple is faster, so it may not be a fair comparison.
 
Pulling from the last 3 months, only true positives:
Average across the network is 1319s
 
8:34 PM
@ArtOfCode I think we're departing from the main topic at hand
 
@M.A.R. which is?
 
How totally hideous Python decorators are
 
solution, don't use them and just call your methods at the right time ;)
 
Closures three functions deep
 
GD.SE is upset about the previous drama, so anything we said implied their site didn't handle spam as well as, say, SO
 
8:35 PM
@M.A.R. that's not the core issue
the originating topic was the speed of spam-deletion on GD
 
in The Periodic Table, 21 secs ago, by Chemobot
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵bnɐɹʇɐʇɐ
 
Also, @M.A.R., GD are not holding grudges.
 
stackoverflow.com: 1030.8653
serverfault.com: 835.2778
superuser.com: 402.8177
meta.stackexchange.com: 421.8447
webapps.stackexchange.com: 591.55
gaming.stackexchange.com: 496.4857
webmasters.stackexchange.com: 1010.2381
cooking.stackexchange.com: 993.2
gamedev.stackexchange.com: 370.6667
photo.stackexchange.com: 197.5
stats.stackexchange.com: 450.0
math.stackexchange.com: 485.6765
diy.stackexchange.com: 1607.4
gis.stackexchange.com: 1964.5
tex.stackexchange.com: 652.0
askubuntu.com: 1213.529
money.stackexchange.com: 12567.8
 
@ArtOfCode It's good if they're not holding grudges. But please read Ryan's messages to see how upset he indeed is.
 
Faster than Apple, actually
 
8:37 PM
I'm confused. Is the problem that we're deleting some of their spam too fast or too slow?
 
@quartata None, actually.
in The Ink Spot, 8 hours ago, by Ryan
Now to get this settled once and for all hopefully I'm going to speak pretty bluntly here. @M.A.R. your people skills need improvement. I was having a nice conversation with @tripleee but you came in here making all sorts of weird assumptions. Even Tripleee could tell and suggested you back off.
Is that a normal mod, or a frustrated mod?
 
@M.A.R. I'm also going to be blunt. You weren't listening to him, which is why he got frustrated.
 
Not a healthy question. I'm trying to figure out what led to that.
 
I don't care if they ignore it, heck, I'm just an outsider
And I can and would happily drop it
 
Restart: API quota is 19776.
 
8:39 PM
But I hate to say "told you so" a few months later when something else happens
 
@M.A.R. ya know the solution to that? Don't say it.
 
You're still speaking in generals. I need specifics - what happened?
 
@Undo As I said, I was the normal me, but anything I said implied I'm questioning their handling of spam
 
If people cause themselves problems and don't want your advice, be it on their heads. You did what you could to offer advice. It's not productive to continue arguing beyond that.
 
in The Ink Spot, yesterday, by tripleee
thanks, just observing from Charcoal HQ (where we work to remove spam) that spam deletion times on Graphics Design are longer than on many other sites, at least by my subjective judgment
 
8:41 PM
@Undo tripleee called in for some help, IIRC.
Ryan said that spam removed by 6 flags isn't visible to mods in any way
 
@Undo does that take into account posts without deletion logs?
 
that's because it's not, without significant hunting
 
And I thought it is available in some queue, so I had to check with Bhargav on SO.
 
@Glorfindel true positives only, with deletion logs
 
I went for lunch, came back and saw that message
 
8:42 PM
@M.A.R. question: why wasn't Ryan telling you so enough?
Ryan is also a mod and has access to the same tools an SO mod does
 
@ArtOfCode Mod UI is something I can't see, and I always confirm what I can't see
 
@Undo because deleted posts without deletion logs might significantly skew those numbers.
 
Unless it's something I shouldn't see, like dev stuff, voting info etc.
This wasn't the first time a mod said something about mod UI, and I confirmed it with another mod
 
@Glorfindel They just wouldn't be counted here. If we're past 20 minutes, we've already failed anyway
 
And they never respond like Ryan did.
 
8:44 PM
@Undo But those are exactly the cases where tripleee based his 'subjective judgement' on.
 
He's a reasonable guy. I'm trying to be a reasonable guy. But I'm telling you -- the previous drama has caused them to think that if I enter their chatroom, it's to backlash at some mod for handling some spam flag
 
@M.A.R. how are you with constructive criticism?
 
@ArtOfCode depends on how it's stated. I either discard it, or accept it and try to improve.
 
Why don't we just ask SE for a "recently deleted by spam flags" queue
 
... That's interesting.
 
8:46 PM
Aaand you're probably going to say "don't poke nose where you don't belong"
 
(Mod only)
 
@Glorfindel This is a good point. Last 3 months, tp posts with no deletion log:
stackoverflow.com: 406
serverfault.com: 7
superuser.com: 105
meta.stackexchange.com: 20
webapps.stackexchange.com: 23
gaming.stackexchange.com: 27
webmasters.stackexchange.com: 9
cooking.stackexchange.com: 5
gamedev.stackexchange.com: 2
photo.stackexchange.com: 6
stats.stackexchange.com: 7
math.stackexchange.com: 41
diy.stackexchange.com: 5
gis.stackexchange.com: 8
tex.stackexchange.com: 5
askubuntu.com: 45
money.stackexchange.com: 10
english.stackexchange.com: 32
stackapps.com: 1
ux.stackexchange.com: 10
there's one that kinda sticks out
Wonder what that actually means
 
In which case I would say I'm dropping it. I see I ended up with the wheel-of-blame assigned to me, so whatever
What. Ever.
@Undo o.o that someone was rage-quitting?
 
@Undo If I'm counting correctly that's third on the network?
 
Or some people were rage-quitting together
Like a ceremonial thing
 
8:49 PM
@M.A.R. Doubt it's vandalism
@quartata Sounds about right
 
Yeah, okay. @M.A.R. You're worked up. If you wanna hear it tomorrow, I'll tell you what I'm thinking then, but it's not gonna work out now. I'm not about to tell you to not stick your nose in places, because it's useful having people willing to do that, but there are some comments I'd make about how you can go about it.
 
@Undo We need a dump then to get any real data
 
Or to fix deletion watching and let it run
 
I will repeat, however, that GD is not holding grudges. Nor are their mods. None of this is about "those dern charcoalers on are lawn agin".
 
Although I suppose the ratio of tps without deletion logs / tps tells us something
 
8:51 PM
@ArtOfCode Actually, a bit more tired about cleanup on Chem.SE than the GD.SE incident. DarthVader was cooler, and stuff kinda looked like working out with him/her. I'm ready for feedback now
 
Probably better to wait for tomorrow anyway
Give everyone a chance to collect thoughts
 
@M.A.R. I'll give it ya tomorrow if you still want it :)
 
Damn curiosity
 
;)
 
I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW
 
8:52 PM
user image
3
 
I still can't believe SOCVR actively chooses to miss out on gems like that
 
Hm?
 
@Undo Collecting thoughts? I was gonna drop this. I don't want this to turn into a drama, and it has a lot of potential to do so
 
@quartata no-oneboxing rule
 
@quartata They hate oneboxes. Legend says they overdid it with cat GIFs
 
8:54 PM
That's why they're so surly all the time.
 
And the flower suddenly burst
OK I made up the burst part
 
@Undo That doesn't seem right. Their bots onebox comments all the time
 
Might have an exception for that.
 
(Natty specifically)
 
I know even I get yelled at if I onebox an image
 
8:55 PM
@quartata Comments are small compared to jiffs
 
And posts?
 
Yeah, even posts don't get oneboxed
Except Feeds posts from meta.SO
Which aren't that much anyway
 
Oh yeah they'll indiscriminately poop all over anybody who one-boxes anything in there. They are, by far, the easiest room to get worked up.
Their only saving grace is they do good things.
 
I might know of a few that are easier
 
Anyways
 
8:56 PM
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak
@rene speaking of rules stemming from meta shouting at us - I'm wondering what prompted the no-onebox rule?
 
Anyway, AIWS, I was reminded of another previous drama today, reincarnated because someone wondered why I earned Reversal on meta.SE
 
@JanDvorak You are very bold.
 
Old-timers, anyone?
 
Thank you. Do you think I shouldn't have asked?
 
@JasonC Nah, they torture with silly puns and don't get worked up about it
 
8:57 PM
@JanDvorak Can't hurt
 
@JanDvorak It's the question we all want to know but have been afraid to ask, lol.
 
Ooh and they onebox tags too
 
Onebox is a very broad term
 
@Glorfindel 9! jealous
 
8:58 PM
@Glorfindel I didn't even remember I had a Reversal, you know
 
I've only got 3, I picked one up today I was very happy.
 
@JasonC I deja vu'd for some reason
 
@M.A.R. That's a decent motive, then. Here's mine: It's probably better, in general, to let moderators tell other moderators that kind of stuff, or at least run it by one. It doesn't look like what happened here, but we've all seen folks get territorial when someone tries to tell them how to run their site, right or wrong.
Speaking generally, not about this case. No reason to assign blame here.
 
@Undo Rightfully so. Thanks. Will do from now on
 

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