Charcoal HQ

SmokeDetector

16:02

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How to replace a string in multiple files in linux command line by jiasir on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: pdf of the product of two independent random variables, normal and chi-square by Hans on stats.SE

rene

^ vlq/naa

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: What are the advantages of just-in-time compilation versus ahead-of-time compilation? by user7787088 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Henders

rene

Am I right that Smokey no longer removes posts from a room once they are deleted on main?

Henders

16:17

I thought it only happened within the first 2 minutes or something...

rene

yeah, that for sure, that is the edit grace period

smokey isn't an RO

at least not in SOCVR

Henders

Ah, sorry

quartata

Normal and reply commands work, but the shorthand is giving mysterious errors....

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How can I configure my firewall to block Abobe Illustrator CC 2014 updates on Windows 7? by Soft Home on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Is usually completely just one successful by Oliviamartian on superuser.com

tpu- by Riker on How can I configure my firewall to block Abobe Illustrator CC 2014 updates on Windows 7? [MS]

tpu- by DraconicPenguin

tp- by DraconicPenguin on pdf of the product of two independent random variables, normal and chi-square [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: How should I mic dance instructors when video recording? by bigO on video.SE

tpu- by DraconicPenguin

bwDraco

16:38

Affiliate link.

Riker

yea

bwDraco

in Root Access, 13 mins ago, by bwDraco

Just an FYI to the community: My availability is going to be very limited over the next ten days as I have lots of sports photography to do. The weather has not been kind lately so a whole bunch of games got rescheduled for the coming weeks.

(I'm a sports photographer for my alma mater)

Riker

that's a cool job

do you get paid?

bwDraco

Yeah. Not much, but I do it mainly because it's fun.

Glorfindel

!!/report english.stackexchange.com/a/380782/116151

SmokeDetector

16:43

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: What is an idiom for overcoming a life obstacle? by juan on english.SE

Glorfindel

(it's Spanish, but it's rude)

SmokeDetector

naa- by DraconicPenguin

tpu- by DraconicPenguin

rene

@Henders heh, no need to be sorry. I'm not angry at you, this is how the Dutch express themselves normally. So if anything I need to be sorry.

Glorfindel

Hey, where have all the pinned messages gone?

rene

to the pin bin?

I think they have expired?

Glorfindel

16:46

I didn't even know they could expire, but then again, I'm not a RO.

bwDraco

Pins expire after 14 days.

Riker

@Glorfindel should I repin them?

Glorfindel

Yes, please. This one: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11540?m=36054327#36054327

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How do I play the full version of Plants vs Zombies under Chrome OS on a Chromebox? by nvi on gaming.SE

Riker

repinned

anything else I shoul repin?

SmokeDetector

16:50

tpu- by Riker

Glorfindel

No, that's it. Thanks!

Riker

:D np

nice to be blue

@Glorfindel fwiw, if it expires again, I can't repin it again

somebody else would have to

you can only pin something once per pinner

Glorfindel

I guess that by that time, some of the links need to be changed anyway. Development here takes 6-8 minutes, instead of weeks.

DavidPostill

@Riker Really? That's got to be a bug.

Riker

no

it's to stop pin-wars iirc

@DavidPostill bascially, if you pin something and another RO/mod removes it, you can repin

M.A.R.

16:52

!!/report chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/71504/7448

Riker

and system unpins after 2 wks count as that

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Choosing the right condenser by Linda Marie B on chemistry.SE

tpu- by Riker

DavidPostill

@Riker Ah. I didn't think mods would stoop so low as to have pin wars ...

Riker

not sure its' pin wars per se, but kinda pin cold wars

M.A.R.

Pin wars are certainly possible, and some ROs are indeed that childish. :/

Riker

16:54

true, ROs are subject also

rene

@M.A.R. \o

M.A.R.

@rene \o

Well, you're not childish. You're just rene

2

I was thinking ROs in Sci-fi.SE with that other F and ROs in sites like gaming etc.

Sites which are much more prone to childishism than SO, because they're about stuff children do as well as adults

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback on How should I mic dance instructors when video recording?.

Riker

@JasonC it's an affilate link for amazon

i.e. he gets money if something is purchased by the link

CalvT

@Riker @JasonC has just told me it doesn't after posting the same thing in a comment?

Riker

17:00

?

CalvT

I'm confused too bcoz I thought it did - I stand to be corrected though

Riker

it's an affilate link

affiliate-program.amazon.com

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: How to program the steepest descent minimization using bisection line search by Cai Fengyu on stackoverflow.com

naa- by Glorfindel

Jason C

17:16

@CalvT No it does I just didn't know. The link could be expanded with the affiliate params removed.

ArtOfCode

@Riker you know Amazon affiliate links get rewritten to SO's own affiliate, right?

Jason C

Still it doesn't appear to be spam to me. Unintentional best case, obnoxious worst case.

@ArtOfCode The shortened ones don't. That was the issue on that one.

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode not when the URL is already rewritten by a URL shortener.

Riker

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: What is the difference between applications on the cloud and web hosting? by Jenny Chan on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

M.A.R.

17:20

@SmokeDetector Haha 6 feedbacks, all prolly by FDSC. Nice

Riker

it's dead now

Jason C

Is "From Review" on MS the /review page?

ArtOfCode

aye

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. just 5 of them

M.A.R.

@JasonC Well, some of my feedback wasn't from that page but chat I think, but it said it was "from review"

Dunno

Jason C

17:24

@Glorfindel NO ROUTE FOR YOU!

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. that is/was a MS bug.

@JasonC it seems you only have access to that page if you provided feedback (which MAR did).

M.A.R.

MAR is the best

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Regular expression that disallows spaces and limits length by Paz on stackoverflow.com

fp- by Glorfindel

SmokeDetector

17:40

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in answer: nth root implementation by ccct on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Henders

Jason C

Lol: stackoverflow.com/a/29145699/616460

Riker

deleted, can't view

M.A.R.

@JasonC Screenshot? PRETTY PLEASE (｡◕‿‿◕｡)

Jason C

lol it's really not worth the hype...

Nisse Engström

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 3 '16 at 21:06, by Nisse Engström

Odd, but not nearly as bizarre as the user who posted some C code with #pragma's and asked why the compiler complained about #progma, and then proceeded to suggest an edit to the answer to change all instances of #pragma to #progma.

Jason C

17:56

Haha!

M.A.R.

Teehee

Users are weird

Mostly idiots

ArtOfCode

18:08

Smokey has a nice network ID

4606062

Jason C

@ArtOfCode Disagree. I find that number to be tasteless, tacky, and highly offensive. Wanna fight?

ArtOfCode

@JasonC taps diamond in palm

Jason C

ABUSE! ABUSE OF POWER! TYPICAL SE MAFIA!

ArtOfCode

I'm sure you meant "thank you for your mercy o great benevolent leader".

Jason C

Oh man I am so going to post a rant on SO about this. I won't even have the decency to put it on the meta.

Eric Leschinski

18:21

There's a lot of anger coursing through the veins of the internet after the legalization of ISP's gathering and selling their user's private information.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Copy and paste in VMWare doesn't work by Arfa Hashmi on stackoverflow.com

Eric Leschinski

I can feel it on reddit.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

reason #2764 that I'm glad I live in the UK

quartata

@NisseEngström Localization maybe?

CaffeineAddiction

18:37

@EricLeschinski meh, if you want anonymity setup a socks5 proxy through a ssh tunnel to a vps configured with TOR

Processed Meat

7

Q: Make creating a dev story part of the "new user" privilege

Users with developer stories (beyond very minimal stories) currently can't be destroyed by moderators. Spammers are using this (warning, spammer link) to circumvent destruction of their user accounts, which is less than ideal. Obviously SE staff can still remove these user accounts, but the extra...

ArtOfCode

@EricLeschinski gofundme.com/BuyCongressData

@QPaysTaxes I got the info on that from TL, so I'll ping my source if anyone questions it

Jason C

18:56

@EricLeschinski Oh yeah, that

That's because reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/6178ie/…

Hopes slightly more dashed but otherwise same old crappy world and WaPo's got some good clickbait headline material for a while.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthpowerzone.com/juvexil/ by deweykitch on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

SmokeDetector

19:20

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Connecting to MySQL DB in Java by rettlsteiner on stackoverflow.com

naa- by Glorfindel

SmokeDetector

19:32

Conflicting feedback on How should I mic dance instructors when video recording?.

quartata

OK I can't debug this

bwDraco

(affiliate link edited out)

Glorfindel

That doesn't mean the original post wasn't (probable) spam.

quartata

@ArtOfCode @Undo @everyonelse pls debug unwind_prev_messages: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector-ng

ArtOfCode

where?

quartata

19:42

It's in smokey_chat and it's used in dispatch_shorthand_command in smokey_commands

M.A.R.

Phew, that was like being run over by a truck

ArtOfCode

question

why do all the files have to be prefixed with smokey_?

NobodyNada

I was wondering that as well

quartata

@ArtOfCode because before it was in my smokey assorted junk directory so i needed a way to tell what was what

ArtOfCode

I'm gonna throw it in PyCharm and see if it can refactor that automatically...

Jan Dvorak

19:50

pro-tip: directories are cheap. Smurfing isn't.

M.A.R.

@Art whenever you got the time, maybe you need to talk to GD mods a bit. They don't like Charcoal at all

quartata

@ArtOfCode Too late

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. what've y'all done this time ;)

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode Eh, I guess they haven't forgotten the previous drama

ArtOfCode

linky?

@quartata nice

quartata

19:52

@ArtOfCode The power of rename

ArtOfCode

@quartata has that renamed all the imports too?

...no, no it hasn't

quartata

....

ArtOfCode

and this is why I was going to load it into PyCharm :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: How to redirect an error 404 to home page with .htaccess? by Mumbai Angels on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Glorfindel

quartata

It's boiling out, my brain isn't coping well

ArtOfCode

19:56

oh, this is a nice fustercluck

quartata

@ArtOfCode I fixed it.

quicky sed

ArtOfCode

what's the betting that's caused issues somewhere

quartata

It started fine.

I checked.

ArtOfCode

honestly, @M.A.R./@tripleee, if problems start on GD it may be easier just to ping an admin

Jason C

I'm pretty sure this was a compliment:

> @JasonC so you are not reasonable. Having seen how many times "awesome" appears in your profile, I can understand why. – Weather Vane 44 mins ago

NobodyNada

20:03

lol

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 11730 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

stackoverflow: 411
askubuntu: 99
superuser: 80
drupal: 61
unix: 59
electronics: 53
math: 51
salesforce: 49
es.stackoverflow: 43
chemistry: 41
dba: 39
scifi: 38
english: 37
apple: 33
mathoverflow.net: 32
gis: 31
meta: 29
gaming: 28
movies: 27
physics: 26
stats: 26
wordpress: 26
softwareengineering: 26
mathematica: 25
travel: 24
security: 24
tex: 23
sharepoint: 23
worldbuilding: 22
ell: 22
workplace: 21
ru.stackoverflow: 20
graphicdesign: 20
money: 20
pt.stackoverflow: 20
magento: 20
webapps: 17
judaism: 16

Jason C

In all fairness I checked and I'm pretty high in the ranks, lol.

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode The problem is it wasn't a problem, TBH. Tripleee aimed to help deal with spam better

But they didn't cooperate well, as far as I can tell, because of the previous dispute

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. that's our side of the story.

ArtOfCode

aye

Glorfindel

20:05

The problem is that even though we follow the rules, it can be rather intimidating if a low-rep user tells a handful of moderators how they should run their site.

2

ArtOfCode

someone tell me what the original debate was?

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode IIRC a GD mod locked a spam post, and some of us got upset about that.

NobodyNada

and now they're mad at us?

quartata

@Glorfindel what

ArtOfCode

@Glorfindel so... exactly what happened last time?

quartata

20:06

locked??

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: What should I know about Staffing Agencies? by Cloud Consulting Services Inc on mathoverflow.net

tpu- by Glorfindel

Glorfindel

!!/report mathoverflow.net/q/265878/70594

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What should I know about Staffing Agencies? by Datamanusa LLC on mathoverflow.net

tpu- by ArtOfCode

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode do you mean today, or a couple of months back?

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode IIRC an overreaction to a mis-handle of spam in a quiet time when no one was around to cool people off escalated

Glorfindel

20:07

@quartata yes, locked, which disables any flagging on it.

quartata

what on earth

ArtOfCode

@Glorfindel I'm trying to work out what the source of today's dispute was

M.A.R.

@Glorfindel There wasn't much drama today. Close to no drama

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. raises eyebrows

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode I think reading today's transcript of The Ink Spot is enough.

M.A.R.

20:08

But there was some angriness and defensiveness from their side, which is natural

ArtOfCode

@Glorfindel yeah, I've done that, but I can't figure out why the animosity started

M.A.R.

A group of people who look like a gang you picked a fight with a few months back appear here today again. What do you do?

@ArtOfCode Well, I did occasionally want to punch something because they kept thinking I implied things I didn't imply, but my threshold for drama is higher

NobodyNada

Maybe relevant to the "Apple spam is removed quicker:" doesn't Apple have a 3-flag threshold, while GD is still at 6?

Glorfindel

@NobodyNada nope, Apple is at 6 as well.

@ArtOfCode I haven't done so, so you know more about it than me now :P

M.A.R.

@NobodyNada Thing is, we weren't complaining about anything today, while GD mods were complaining that we were complaining. o.o

So it's like everyone spoke English but no one understood one another.

ArtOfCode

20:14

lemme work the thing out before we all start pointing fingers

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode Sure, the whole transcript is available

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. yeah, I'm talking to the GD mods

M.A.R.

I was thinking the best thing to do would be to disengage and leave everything be, but then I thought if mods don't solve it among themselves, this is gonna happen again sooner or later

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How do I determine whether a container is infinitely recursive and find its smallest unique container? by OneB Tonces on stackoverflow.com

M.A.R.

Few months forward, someone would say they're from Charcoal and everything would get hostile again

SmokeDetector

20:18

tpu- by Glorfindel

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

OK then, I trust Art to handle this effectively with his sheer awesomeness

NobodyNada

if it comes to the point where they don't want Smokey...

Feb 22 at 15:07, by J F

I’d say disable Charcoal on sites for a week if they want, then ask again and see if they want it back.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Might be Fired due to Burnout? by Half Life on workplace.SE

ArtOfCode

pretty sure it won't come to that

NobodyNada

@ArtOfCode that's good

Glorfindel

20:26

@SmokeDetector v

SmokeDetector

tpu- by NobodyNada

NobodyNada

I clicked rude by accident; sorry

@SmokeDetector v

Glorfindel

!!/rmblu workplace.stackexchange.com/u/49290

SmokeDetector

@Glorfindel User removed from blacklist (49290 on workplace.stackexchange.com).

M.A.R.

BTW, today another previous drama was reincarnated in my mind

For which I apparently earned a Reversal badge and forgot all about it. o.o

NobodyNada

20:28

I read the transcript, but I have no idea why they're upset...is it just because we were wondering why it takes longer for spam to be deleted, or is it because they don't want us to delete spam?

M.A.R.

@NobodyNada The TL;DR; is one of my messages, a moment

Undo

@M.A.R. @tripleee Could you (both) give me the one-sentence summary of what started the thing last night?

Glorfindel

@NobodyNada import crystal.ball

ArtOfCode

@NobodyNada what I don't get is where's the evidence that says spam takes longer to get deleted on GD?

M.A.R.

in The Ink Spot, 2 hours ago, by M.A.R.

@DᴀʀᴛʜVᴀᴅᴇʀ I see. There seems to be this feeling that we're (Charcoal is) questioning your handling of spam, while neither I nor tripleee thought anything like that when coming here.

@Nob @Undo ^

Or even Art ^

NobodyNada

20:30

in The Ink Spot, 16 hours ago, by tripleee

@Ryan thanks. I don't have numbers yet but I received a database dump and intend to look into it to see if my subjective impression is based on significant real differences

M.A.R.

So to them we seem like raiders who question their ability to be mods

NobodyNada

afk for lunch

M.A.R.

Simply because their first encounter a few months back was because of a mis-handle of a spam by a mod

NobodyNada

@ArtOfCode am I helping at all/can I help at all, or would you like me to just shut up and let you deal with it?

Glorfindel

Which is ... strange ... because longer deletion times would indicate less active users, not less active moderators.

ArtOfCode

20:32

@NobodyNada you're good

M.A.R.

So whatever I said had this implication that I question their ability to handle spam

NobodyNada

@Glorfindel or mods, since the mods don't delete the spam right away

@ArtOfCode thanks!

M.A.R.

But whatever I said on that chat today was the normal me

Which isn't much, but doesn't cause drama

ArtOfCode

Okay. Undo is pulling data on this. I don't think GD is any faster or slower than the average, but we'll see. Apple is faster, so it may not be a fair comparison.

Undo

Pulling from the last 3 months, only true positives:

Average across the network is 1319s

M.A.R.

20:34

@ArtOfCode I think we're departing from the main topic at hand

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. which is?

quartata

How totally hideous Python decorators are

ArtOfCode

solution, don't use them and just call your methods at the right time ;)

quartata

Closures three functions deep

M.A.R.

GD.SE is upset about the previous drama, so anything we said implied their site didn't handle spam as well as, say, SO

ArtOfCode

20:35

@M.A.R. that's not the core issue

the originating topic was the speed of spam-deletion on GD

M.A.R.

in The Periodic Table, 21 secs ago, by Chemobot

(╯°ਊ°)╯︵bnɐɹʇɐʇɐ

ArtOfCode

Also, @M.A.R., GD are not holding grudges.

Undo

stackoverflow.com: 1030.8653
serverfault.com: 835.2778
superuser.com: 402.8177
meta.stackexchange.com: 421.8447
webapps.stackexchange.com: 591.55
gaming.stackexchange.com: 496.4857
webmasters.stackexchange.com: 1010.2381
cooking.stackexchange.com: 993.2
gamedev.stackexchange.com: 370.6667
photo.stackexchange.com: 197.5
stats.stackexchange.com: 450.0
math.stackexchange.com: 485.6765
diy.stackexchange.com: 1607.4
gis.stackexchange.com: 1964.5
tex.stackexchange.com: 652.0
askubuntu.com: 1213.529
money.stackexchange.com: 12567.8

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode It's good if they're not holding grudges. But please read Ryan's messages to see how upset he indeed is.

Undo

Faster than Apple, actually

quartata

20:37

I'm confused. Is the problem that we're deleting some of their spam too fast or too slow?

M.A.R.

@quartata None, actually.

in The Ink Spot, 8 hours ago, by Ryan

Now to get this settled once and for all hopefully I'm going to speak pretty bluntly here. @M.A.R. your people skills need improvement. I was having a nice conversation with @tripleee but you came in here making all sorts of weird assumptions. Even Tripleee could tell and suggested you back off.

Is that a normal mod, or a frustrated mod?

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. I'm also going to be blunt. You weren't listening to him, which is why he got frustrated.

Undo

Not a healthy question. I'm trying to figure out what led to that.

M.A.R.

I don't care if they ignore it, heck, I'm just an outsider

And I can and would happily drop it

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19776.

M.A.R.

20:39

But I hate to say "told you so" a few months later when something else happens

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. ya know the solution to that? Don't say it.

Undo

You're still speaking in generals. I need specifics - what happened?

M.A.R.

@Undo As I said, I was the normal me, but anything I said implied I'm questioning their handling of spam

ArtOfCode

If people cause themselves problems and don't want your advice, be it on their heads. You did what you could to offer advice. It's not productive to continue arguing beyond that.

Undo

So the start was chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1240?m=36328893#36328893?

in The Ink Spot, yesterday, by tripleee

thanks, just observing from Charcoal HQ (where we work to remove spam) that spam deletion times on Graphics Design are longer than on many other sites, at least by my subjective judgment

M.A.R.

20:41

@Undo tripleee called in for some help, IIRC.

Ryan said that spam removed by 6 flags isn't visible to mods in any way

Glorfindel

@Undo does that take into account posts without deletion logs?

ArtOfCode

that's because it's not, without significant hunting

M.A.R.

And I thought it is available in some queue, so I had to check with Bhargav on SO.

Undo

@Glorfindel true positives only, with deletion logs

M.A.R.

I went for lunch, came back and saw that message

ArtOfCode

20:42

@M.A.R. question: why wasn't Ryan telling you so enough?

Ryan is also a mod and has access to the same tools an SO mod does

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode Mod UI is something I can't see, and I always confirm what I can't see

Glorfindel

@Undo because deleted posts without deletion logs might significantly skew those numbers.

M.A.R.

Unless it's something I shouldn't see, like dev stuff, voting info etc.

This wasn't the first time a mod said something about mod UI, and I confirmed it with another mod

Undo

@Glorfindel They just wouldn't be counted here. If we're past 20 minutes, we've already failed anyway

M.A.R.

And they never respond like Ryan did.

Glorfindel

20:44

@Undo But those are exactly the cases where tripleee based his 'subjective judgement' on.

M.A.R.

He's a reasonable guy. I'm trying to be a reasonable guy. But I'm telling you -- the previous drama has caused them to think that if I enter their chatroom, it's to backlash at some mod for handling some spam flag

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. how are you with constructive criticism?

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode depends on how it's stated. I either discard it, or accept it and try to improve.

quartata

Why don't we just ask SE for a "recently deleted by spam flags" queue

Undo

... That's interesting.

M.A.R.

20:46

Aaand you're probably going to say "don't poke nose where you don't belong"

quartata

(Mod only)

Undo

@Glorfindel This is a good point. Last 3 months, tp posts with no deletion log:

stackoverflow.com: 406
serverfault.com: 7
superuser.com: 105
meta.stackexchange.com: 20
webapps.stackexchange.com: 23
gaming.stackexchange.com: 27
webmasters.stackexchange.com: 9
cooking.stackexchange.com: 5
gamedev.stackexchange.com: 2
photo.stackexchange.com: 6
stats.stackexchange.com: 7
math.stackexchange.com: 41
diy.stackexchange.com: 5
gis.stackexchange.com: 8
tex.stackexchange.com: 5
askubuntu.com: 45
money.stackexchange.com: 10
english.stackexchange.com: 32
stackapps.com: 1
ux.stackexchange.com: 10

there's one that kinda sticks out

Wonder what that actually means

M.A.R.

In which case I would say I'm dropping it. I see I ended up with the wheel-of-blame assigned to me, so whatever

What. Ever.

@Undo o.o that someone was rage-quitting?

quartata

@Undo If I'm counting correctly that's third on the network?

M.A.R.

Or some people were rage-quitting together

Like a ceremonial thing

Undo

20:49

@M.A.R. Doubt it's vandalism

@quartata Sounds about right

ArtOfCode

Yeah, okay. @M.A.R. You're worked up. If you wanna hear it tomorrow, I'll tell you what I'm thinking then, but it's not gonna work out now. I'm not about to tell you to not stick your nose in places, because it's useful having people willing to do that, but there are some comments I'd make about how you can go about it.

quartata

@Undo We need a dump then to get any real data

Undo

Or to fix deletion watching and let it run

ArtOfCode

I will repeat, however, that GD is not holding grudges. Nor are their mods. None of this is about "those dern charcoalers on are lawn agin".

quartata

Although I suppose the ratio of tps without deletion logs / tps tells us something

M.A.R.

20:51

@ArtOfCode Actually, a bit more tired about cleanup on Chem.SE than the GD.SE incident. DarthVader was cooler, and stuff kinda looked like working out with him/her. I'm ready for feedback now

Undo

Probably better to wait for tomorrow anyway

Give everyone a chance to collect thoughts

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. I'll give it ya tomorrow if you still want it :)

M.A.R.

Damn curiosity

Undo

;)

M.A.R.

I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW

Jason C

20:52

3

Undo

I still can't believe SOCVR actively chooses to miss out on gems like that

quartata

Hm?

M.A.R.

@Undo Collecting thoughts? I was gonna drop this. I don't want this to turn into a drama, and it has a lot of potential to do so

Undo

@quartata no-oneboxing rule

M.A.R.

@quartata They hate oneboxes. Legend says they overdid it with cat GIFs

Jason C

20:54

That's why they're so surly all the time.

M.A.R.

And the flower suddenly burst

OK I made up the burst part

quartata

@Undo That doesn't seem right. Their bots onebox comments all the time

Undo

Might have an exception for that.

quartata

(Natty specifically)

Undo

I know even I get yelled at if I onebox an image

M.A.R.

20:55

@quartata Comments are small compared to jiffs

quartata

And posts?

M.A.R.

Yeah, even posts don't get oneboxed

Except Feeds posts from meta.SO

Which aren't that much anyway

Jason C

Oh yeah they'll indiscriminately poop all over anybody who one-boxes anything in there. They are, by far, the easiest room to get worked up.

Their only saving grace is they do good things.

Undo

I might know of a few that are easier

quartata

Anyways

Jan Dvorak

20:56

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak

@rene speaking of rules stemming from meta shouting at us - I'm wondering what prompted the no-onebox rule?

M.A.R.

Anyway, AIWS, I was reminded of another previous drama today, reincarnated because someone wondered why I earned Reversal on meta.SE

in The Periodic Table, 4 hours ago, by M.A.R.

Jason C

@JanDvorak You are very bold.

M.A.R.

Old-timers, anyone?

Jan Dvorak

Thank you. Do you think I shouldn't have asked?

M.A.R.

@JasonC Nah, they torture with silly puns and don't get worked up about it

Undo

20:57

@JanDvorak Can't hurt

Jason C

@JanDvorak It's the question we all want to know but have been afraid to ask, lol.

quartata

Ooh and they onebox tags too

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. Reversals are fun.

quartata

Onebox is a very broad term

Jason C

@Glorfindel 9! jealous

M.A.R.

20:58

@Glorfindel I didn't even remember I had a Reversal, you know

Jason C

I've only got 3, I picked one up today I was very happy.

M.A.R.

@JasonC I deja vu'd for some reason

Undo

@M.A.R. That's a decent motive, then. Here's mine: It's probably better, in general, to let moderators tell other moderators that kind of stuff, or at least run it by one. It doesn't look like what happened here, but we've all seen folks get territorial when someone tries to tell them how to run their site, right or wrong.

Speaking generally, not about this case. No reason to assign blame here.

M.A.R.

@Undo Rightfully so. Thanks. Will do from now on

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