Charcoal HQ

2:02 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: can't open certain websites, using VPN or not by radhikapatel on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector naa-

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Glorfindel

Glorfindel

Check the user's profile, that's his own site.

Magisch

@Glorfindel Definitely NSFW, and I don't even have to look.

> hello it's me Radhika patel working as professional seo analyst

That tells me he's trying to leave the site in as many places as possible to spoof the site's google ranking

TP imo

Byte Commander

Not sure, flagged NAA and cast a delete vote

Magisch

2:09 PM

@ArtOfCode Probably a good idea. Do you have any news of what's left undone before the post will happen?

ArtOfCode

@Magisch Undo wanted SE OAuth login for metasmoke, but I don't think that'll stop us posting. Could do with an updated graph from @Andy.

Andy

@Undo, Your time to deletion chart and my time to deletion chart have differences. This is mine: i.stack.imgur.com/v7e8c.png

Magisch

@ArtOfCode You're waiting on Undo to post though?

Andy

@ArtOfCode Everything should be current as of UTC midnight

ArtOfCode

@Magisch well we'd like him to be awake, yes

Andy

2:11 PM

except for the link I just pasted above

I have that section written, but not in the gist yet.

Magisch

@ArtOfCode Thats in 1-2 hours, right?

ArtOfCode

call it 2-3

@Andy awesome

enderland

enderland will be interviewing at that time haha

Andy

I'm just trying to figure out how Undo's chart is generated so I can explain the differences

Magisch

So we'll get european audiences next morning

enderland

2:12 PM

not that I'm as vitally involved as you folks are :)

ArtOfCode

@Andy which one?

Ashish Ahuja

after the post, everyone will be able to sign up for autoflags or will it only be the current list?

ArtOfCode

@AshishAhuja everyone

Magisch

2-3 hours is 18:00 european time at the latest

Andy

@ArtOfCode Time to Deletion (last one) on the graphs page

Magisch

2:13 PM

and 17:00 at the earliest - most devs are already done with work for the day then

Ashish Ahuja

@ArtOfCode so is there going to be any priority given to the current list?

Magisch

I'm really not worried about our autoflags

ArtOfCode

@AshishAhuja at some point we'll do that, yes, but it may not be before the post

Magisch

the vast majority of people signing up will care only about flags on SO

Ashish Ahuja

ah

Magisch

2:13 PM

Almost nobody has account on 170+ sites

Ashish Ahuja

Um well, is there going to be some minimum limit for the weight?

Andy

Someone that reads Ruby, can you confirm I'm reading this right: It is only taking into account posts that are deleted within 3600 seconds of being reported, right?

ArtOfCode

Post.group_by_day('`posts`.`created_at`').joins(:deletion_logs)
.where(:is_tp => true).where('`posts`.`created_at` > ?', 3.months.ago)
.where("TIMESTAMPDIFF(SECOND, `posts`.`created_at`, `posts`.`deleted_at`) <= 3600")
.average("TIMESTAMPDIFF(SECOND, `posts`.`created_at`, `posts`.`deleted_at`)")

@Andy yes

Andy

There's the difference then. I'm using 5 hours. Ta-da! I like simple explainations

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Detect Color Code of live android camera preview by Ahbenzz on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

Ashish Ahuja

2:22 PM

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@AshishAhuja Blacklisted user - blacklisted for stackoverflow.com/a/42276493 (m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//stackoverflow.com/a/…) by http:metasmoke

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector naa-

quartata

Why were they blacklisted for that? Surely that's just NAA.

Ashish Ahuja

@quartata not sure. The feedback is from @Magisch

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: How do I find details of an American Airman with only his full name and service number by Robert on genealogy.SE

Magisch

2:29 PM

@SmokeDetector f

For some reason I can't access my flag summary atm

It displays an error

> spam – Magisch Feb 16 at 14:19 helpful

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: How do I find details of an American Airman with only his full name and service number? by Robert on genealogy.SE

Magisch

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Magisch Title - Position 1-87: How do I find details of an American Airman with only his full name and service number

quartata

Wha?

ArtOfCode

service

quartata

2:41 PM

Why did it match the whole title though?

ArtOfCode

because regex

SmokeDetector

fp- by Magisch

Magisch

That reminds me, my pull request is still open

If someone with github push access could wink wink view it over, we can avoid maybe a couple FP's from fitness.SE

Andy

Should the meta post conclude with a question we want to ask the community? I am thinking: "Would the community be happy with more automated spam flags being cast?" (though, this kind of moves it from an MSO to MSE post).

quartata

@ArtOfCode Poor excuse

ArtOfCode

2:44 PM

@Andy I don't think we need to - meta posts still don't need to be questions

Andy

@quartata It's not an excuse. It's the reason it matched the title.

ArtOfCode

It finishes up with a discussion topic thing, so I think that's fine

Andy

k

Magisch

growing anticipation

quartata

@Andy Just a joke. But if it's matching service I don't see why the whole title would be matched. Is there a way you can see what regex tripped the keyword reason on MS?

Thomas Ward

2:46 PM

so I had planned to do some minor maintenance on Aurora for all of 10 minutes but I had zero sleep heh

ArtOfCode

@Magisch yeah, 206 false positives on fitness.SE

Magisch

@ArtOfCode I did think of that only after blacklisting it, sadly

ArtOfCode

it's being caught 99% of the time anyway, so we can probably do without it

Magisch

and I lack the tools to undo a blacklist command

That'd be a nice addition btw

A way to undo a !!/blacklist command

Glorfindel

!!/unblacklist-keyword

ArtOfCode

2:49 PM

that sounds difficult

Thomas Ward

it's very difficult

Glorfindel

Or we could be more careful with blacklisting in the first place :P

ArtOfCode

appending to a file is easy, finding text and erasing the line is... not

Magisch

!!/unblacklist-keyword <line number of the blacklist entry in the file>

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode it'd be tricky, yes, lots of sed.

@Magisch who's actually going to go hunt that file down to find it?

Andy

2:50 PM

Batman

The answer is always, Batman

Magisch

I suppose being even more careful is always an option

doesn't save you from typo's though

Jan Dvorak

I thought the answer was always "caching"

Andy

Batman busts caching

ArtOfCode

even unbustable caching

Mithrandir

I don't recognize Art on the side now o_o

ArtOfCode

2:53 PM

>:)

Andy

He's the multicolor'd box of shapes.

He's showing us mono-colors that he thinks he's better

squints at Art We're watching you, overachiever.

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode when did the rainbow-colored head crabs latch onto you and change your icon and genetics to be rainbow-colored

ArtOfCode

@Andy I was actually planning on selling the idea to Gravatar </wild-dreams>

Andy

Ha. Maybe it'll be more stable than they have been the last couple weeks

ArtOfCode

Anything else people think we should do before we post this thing?

Undo

3:09 PM

I'm reading over it

rene

@ArtOfCode seek shelter?

ArtOfCode

possibly

Andy

Nah. I like posting on meta.

Keeps the blood flowing.

Plus, if it's hated, you can always try to get the most down voted post ever, without resorting to insults

Though, I think Shog holds that honor right now

enderland

I think jeff atwood does

Undo

Yeah, looks sane. Fine to post, I can edit in stuff as needed.

Like once I figure out how x-axis plotlines work

Magisch

3:11 PM

So go-ahead is now?

Andy

Who's posting?

Undo

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Undo It's DavidPostill's fault.

ArtOfCode

heh

Undo

Probably not the best way to decide

Magisch

3:12 PM

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@Magisch It's Glorfindel's fault.

Glorfindel

figures

ArtOfCode

I'm up for posting if you like

Undo

So it's just 'who' and 'where'

Magisch

I'd say undo or art

Andy

3:12 PM

I can post

Magisch

on MSO

definitely MSO for exposure

Undo

I'd tend to vote for Andy on mSO, if he's willing to shoulder the ping flood.

ArtOfCode

would agree with that

@Andy did you get your graph into the post?

Magisch

It's got to be someone who is admin on MS at least

Andy

@Undo I'm willing to be pinged

Magisch

3:14 PM

Then lets roll, no?

rene

famous last words

Andy

@enderland Jeff vs Shog

Undo

Good, then. Looks like we didn't pick up any false positives last night.

Magisch

Let's get the barely ending party started

Andy

Jeff wins...barely

enderland

3:14 PM

that's the one I was thinking of @Andy

Andy

@ArtOfCode adding it now. I got distracted after you helped with that code a bit ago. Give me 5 minutes

ArtOfCode

@Undo MS deploy waiting

Undo

@Andy Only two things I can see is s/3/4/ false positives, possibly linking to metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/logs?filter=fps, and change the graph to i.stack.imgur.com/XO0BX.png

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 3600.

Magisch

Y'all just about to post as I get off work

And I have to go shopping on my way home

Andy

3:22 PM

45

Q: Can a machine be taught to flag spam automatically?

TL;DR: We did it, so... yes. What is this? Charcoal is the organization behind the SmokeDetector bot and other nice things. This bot scans new posts across the entire network for spam posts and reports them to various chatrooms where people can act on them. If a post has been created or edite...

15

Who's going to find the first typo

I'm going to unpin the message about the gist

Magisch

@Andy Made an edit already

Andy

I believe you win then @Magisch. One internetz for you

Magisch

@ArtOfCode Only you leave that comment, right?

To prevent flooding

Undo

No reason to have more than that

ArtOfCode

@Magisch for now, yeah

other people can jump in as necessary depending on how much interest it generates

Undo

3:26 PM

If it goes nuts, might be best to just drop comments in here to claim them.

rene

I've pinned this in SOCVR

Undo

yeah we know about it

ArtOfCode

heh

Undo

> Both of the above will be set up to only apply to Stack Overflow; no other sites will be included.

Glorfindel

Can't Processed Meat check if the link hasn't already been posted in the chatroom before?

Undo

3:31 PM

@ArtOfCode Any reason for that?

ArtOfCode

@Undo because we posted on MSO, where a lot of people are only going to have accounts on SO

Undo

@Glorfindel It's a dumb Feeds bot with a custom username

ArtOfCode

I could have used all sites anyway, but it would increase our error count, which just doesn't look nice

Undo

Not at 280

ArtOfCode

first downvote

Undo

3:32 PM

Oh, right

ArtOfCode

@Undo yeah, as in if it tries to flag something on a site on which $User doesn't have an account

Andy

> Why you love spam?!

Undo

Let's set it to all the sites, then fix it to not log an error if someone doesn't have an account on a site

ArtOfCode

@Undo this would also be a good idea

Andy

Looks like the feature request is up 4 votes already too. It was at 44 when I looked this morning

Undo

3:34 PM

also, the sign in flow still isn't great. I'm gonna fix that.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: known labs and they have also determined Platinum Beaute by kengewinter01 on drupal.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

ArtOfCode

@SmokeDetector autoflagged

SmokeDetector

@ArtOfCode That post was automatically flagged, using flags from: Magisch, Mithrandir, MAR.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Research in "Research Engineering" by clarkent on academia.SE (@Wrzlprmft)

tpu- by Glorfindel

ArtOfCode

gone

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'AdriaanV' created

Glorfindel

3:42 PM

@ArtOfCode @Undo for the last Drupal questions, MS shows deletion information, but it's not present in the API call.

Blame caching? Or a bug?

Undo

@ArtOfCode deleted_at not in default filter?

Andy

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Adriaan

@Andy 8 characters Username? My name has 7...

ArtOfCode

@Undo should be...

that's what I updated the default filter for

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Nginx set up multiple site configs that will override settings in the global site config? by TheMast on serverfault.com

Mithrandir

"Closey"...?

Undo

3:46 PM

@Andy that's odd

ArtOfCode

@Undo you got the updated AppConfig, right?

Undo

@ArtOfCode oh, right

It's in Git, but overwritten by Cap. Just a sec.

ArtOfCode

new line on the end

Undo

@Glorfindel Works now

Glorfindel

OIC

SmokeDetector

3:49 PM

New metasmoke user 'Makyen' created

Andy

I'll be interested in seeing how many of those ^ we get today

Undo

Should be a few.

ArtOfCode

"some"

I'm gonna watch /conditions/all, too

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'DarkChaos' created

Thomas Ward

interesting

good Chaos to you, @SevenSidedDie

ArtOfCode

3:51 PM

@SmokeDetector that you, @ThomasWard?

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector is that your sockpuppet, Thomas?

ArtOfCode

Okay, so we were at condition ID 36 before the post

Andy

@Undo And to focus on that topic a bit, do you have numbers per site? I'm curious if there are any sites with 100% accuracy, and also curious what the site w/ the lowest accuracy is. — TylerH 1 min ago

I don't have those numbers right off hand

Undo

I can pull those, need to finish something else first

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode actually I was curious to see it report and whether it reports all regs now. Also yes, but you can delete that user, I was merely curious :)

ArtOfCode

3:53 PM

@ThomasWard @Undo can nuke it when he pulls stats, then

Thomas Ward

Or you can leave it it won't do anything, I literally just smashed on a keyboard for the pw :P

SevenSidedDie

@ThomasWard *waves* *hunches over first tea of day*

Thomas Ward

polishes off his second double-extra-shot venti latte of the day

... I need another one...

@SevenSidedDie you might appreciate this - chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35553738#35553738

and onwards for my text :p

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'paulroub' created

ArtOfCode

I've got rene's answer

rene

4:04 PM

Oh?

SmokeDetector

4:24 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: It eliminates collections and wrinkles by gaudisu on apple.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

Glorfindel

One hour, and so far not a single negative or insidious response.

Magisch

Wait until tomorrow morning when all the spiteful europeans come back :p

ArtOfCode

@Glorfindel well, one downvote

Wai Ha Lee

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/42349402/1364007

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I exclude certain parameters from Rails-generated links by default? by Abdel Benito on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in username: Should one call oneself a Buddhist? by putlocker on buddhism.SE

tpu- by Magisch on How can I exclude certain parameters from Rails-generated links by default? [MS]

Glorfindel

4:31 PM

@ArtOfCode probably one of the devs losing his keys.

ArtOfCode

sounds likely

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector k

ArtOfCode

you know you're a meta nerd when you get that reference

Magisch

@ArtOfCode TIL im a meta nerd

Glorfindel

shrugs

ArtOfCode

4:32 PM

probably most of us are

Andy

SmokeDetector is awesome! A few incredible community members got together and created it independently of Stack Overflow's internal spam-fighting efforts. It so happens that building some connections between our systems and Smokey is something I've been (very slowly) thinking about exploring, as ArtOfCode mentioned. No solid plans yet though. As for SpamRam, we don't really talk about it much publicly. True, the odds of spammers coming here to look up info on us are low, but if one does, that's maybe the one we'd actually need to be worried about. — Pops ♦ 5 mins ago

Thomas Ward

4:43 PM

@ArtOfCode @Undo I think github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/490 and github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/532 are essentially the same feature request. Feel free to tell me otherwise, but...

not sure we need two of the same request.

@angussidney ^ cc since you're assigned to one of them

ArtOfCode

done

Thomas Ward

thank you kindly

Undo

5:07 PM

→ 10 messages moved to Trashcan

I don't need to be dealing with those leaks right now.

Magisch

@Undo o_O alright, I see I've asked at a poor time

ArtOfCode

just... sigh. We'll tell you what we can, when we can.

Magisch

You know with all the open nature of SE and whatnot being criticised in secret where you can't defend yourself (essentially all of charcoal minus the mods is) is not very much in the spirit of transparency, but whatever. I'm sure you guys will deal with it appropriately.

Mithrandir

I'm surprised. Has nobody popped into here with questions or anything yet?

ArtOfCode

Apparently not

We're migrating to MSE. TL;DR: people took issue with it being on SO, so it's moving.

Mithrandir

5:24 PM

That's what I said to do in the first place :P

Undo

32

Q: Can a machine be taught to flag spam automatically?

TL;DR: We did it, so... yes. What is this? Charcoal is the organization behind the SmokeDetector bot and other nice things. This bot scans new posts across the entire network for spam posts and reports them to various chatrooms where people can act on them. If a post has been created or edite...

discussion spam

Note that the migration will allow double upvotes from folks in this room, please don't do that.

Mithrandir

Right, I realized that I already voted, and so din't again.

heh, 33 votes, 2 views.

ArtOfCode

For better or for worse, we chose MSO. There were good reasons to choose either of them; we discussed those pretty well, and MSO was the decision. Let's not get hung up on whether or who was right or wrong - it's moved, let's just roll with it.

Mithrandir

Right. *rolls*

Magisch

grr

When some mods get tissy suddenly there is no discussion and no community choice anymore

Undo

5:27 PM

There's a balance to be struck between flexing your 'rights' and not getting run over by a bus. That's normal.

enderland

@Magisch with an attitude like that, no wonder people get annoyed with you (collectively)

Magisch

Well

Mithrandir

Wait, so why is the /people page linked twice? Once on 'we' and the other on 'orginization'.

Thomas Ward

i'm amazed you didn't manage to irk me with that comment.

(I'm very tired and a little bit more irritable today heh)

Magisch

Migration is a community process. Mods should only override that in cases where the community can't make a decision

ArtOfCode

5:29 PM

let's just... not, eh?

Magisch

alright

for your sake

ArtOfCode

Yeah, we've had to move it. Yeah, that's annoying, and I'm currently pissed off at a bunch of mods too, but... it ain't worth fighting over it

2

Magisch

I'll defer to your judgement

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: How to multiply model with different app in django? by Rifqi Muttaqin on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

fp- by Glorfindel

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: iOS app installed failed thru iTunes by smith lara on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by Glorfindel

Mithrandir

Why is my SO flag summary dead...?

Undo

5:43 PM

see mSO. It's broke.

rene

Maybe too many people were complaining about declined flags so they decided to take that page down? — rene 1 hour ago

Glorfindel

!!/blame