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4:00 PM
@rene just gave you RO access to this room. If you go to the info page and click edit, what comes up?
 
Can I report both stackoverflow.com/questions/42268688/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/42242603/… ? Check asker, answerer, and links in questions.
Already raised a mod flag, wondering if it's worth taking action here
 
@ArtOfCode this sorry ...
 
@Kyll questions appear to have no links
 
@ArtOfCode Sure, but check answers
 
4:02 PM
@rene hit the edit button, what happens then?
 
Each asker also answered the other's question with the same links
That's confirmed spam, I wonder if it's worth reporting it to Smokey or just wait out for the flag
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Is there any discount coupon for Cloud Server recently? by Fan.Zhang on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Magisch
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to start using alibaba cloud? by Leona on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
the questions themselves aren't spam, but the answers are definitely reportable ^
 
@ArtOfCode updated my initial screenhot
 
@ArtOfCode The questions are spam seeds
Obvious ones at that
 
4:04 PM
@Kyll agree
 
@Kyll close 'em
 
@Kyll heh, IMO we should just delete the q's though, and maybe just tell a mod to nuke the accounts
 
@ArtOfCode Are the MS changes tested?
 
@ArtOfCode Meh, k. The mod flag should be enough to take care of the questions and the accounts
 
@Undo nope, straight from GH web :)
 
4:04 PM
hrmph
 
I can switch systems and check if necessary
 
nah, I'll pull locally
 
kk
 
Probably won't test the API, just /graphs
 
@Undo Do you have any objections to the meta post going ahead as planned when the graph is up?
 
4:06 PM
yeah, API is minor
if it breaks we can just roll that commit back
 
@Magisch yes
Mainly that it should wait until at least Monday
 
Why's that?
 
tpu- by Magisch
 
For one, it's when I get back from road-tripping and can actually help answer questions.
 
^ Anyone to blacklist this website? I can't remember if I have to escape the subdomain or not
 
4:07 PM
@Undo Monday is Trump's Day President's Day in the US.
 
@Glorfindel point
 
@Kyll it's a regex, so escape regex special chars
 
!!/blacklist-website intl\.aliyun\.com
 
@AshishAhuja You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.
 
4:08 PM
@ArtOfCode Right, thanks
 
Also, I need to get metasmoke polished up for this. A cleaner login process and one-click flag enabling would be pretty nice to have.
 
!!/blacklist-website aliyun\.com
 
@SmokeDetector ? Were code privs changed recently?
 
@Magisch Blacklisted aliyun\.com
 
@Magisch That one smells like a legit hosting provider
 
4:09 PM
@Undo scroll up a bit
 
that's a very bad idea
 
damn
intl.aliyun it is then
I'll make a PR to get rid of mine
 
I'll revert
 
CI on 448f8c6 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
 
lol @Magisch just blacklisted 78% of the internet...
 
4:10 PM
Restart: API quota is 2353.
 
!!/blacklist-website stackoverflow\.com :)
2
 
undo was faster then me
 
CI on 5a69db0 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...
Restart: API quota is 2344.
 
so @ArtOfCode On monday then?
 
4:12 PM
if Monday's a holiday, maybe Tuesday would be better. Meh.
 
urgh, forgot about the auto report
Better f this, no?
 
shrug holidays probably don't matter too much, and the rest of the world doesn't care anyway
 
yeah, but the US is awful big
also CM coverage
 
There are non-US CM's too ya know
jmac, Tim, pretty sure there's one in the UK
 
That intended?
 
4:14 PM
I'd be happier with posting it sooner. Day of the week really doesn't matter. If it's interesting/controversial, it'll stay toward the top of Meta
 
@Undo um
 
yeah, figured. Lemme try something.
 
@Undo yeah, except I don't get why the green line is sometimes above the others.
 
not sure what happened there, possibly that we don't have any 3-flagged autoflagged posts in those other hours?
 
i actually agree with andy
we have plenty of people to cover questions
and metasmoke is pretty nice as is already
 
4:16 PM
@Glorfindel bad averages, probably - the other two have multiple months of data to average, the 3-flag only has 2 days
 
@ArtOfCode local, so incomplete data
But I'm going to try another way
 
@Undo ah, so should work on prod
3
 
famous last words
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to start using alibaba cloud? by Candy on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
"Eh. It'll work in prod"
 
4:17 PM
also, could someone with code privs merge my PR? That website is still not blacklisted..
 
tpu- by Magisch
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How to start using alibaba cloud? by Fan.Zhang on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Magisch
 
@Magisch And super not-ready for Real Load.
 
@Undo I doubt a couple dozen meta heads will crash MS
 
@Undo can we do a load test on MS somehow?
 
@AshishAhuja done, I was waiting on CI and forgot about it
 
4:19 PM
@Magisch you'd be surprised
 
We aint getting a better stress test then this one
 
@Magisch a couple of hundred will, maybe.
 
@Undo well I could try DDoSing you :)
 
Python load testing tool: locust.io
 
CI on 3bfa4eb succeeded.
 
4:19 PM
We only get one shot at this, and I don't have time to be sys-admining this week anyway
 
@ArtOfCode ok, I also think you need to change my ids after my account merge as MS is not recognizing my code privs
 
I mean @Undo ultimately its your call, so you get to decide, but I dont see why not
 
now off to bed. bye!
 
'night
 
deployed @ArtOfCode @Andy
 
4:20 PM
@AshishAhuja ah, that would be it. @Undo will need to console that
 
But I think even if MS went down that wouldn't be too bad for us
The meta will live on for well beyond the next week anyways
 
@Undo is this by hour or by day?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: insert method for Priority Queue using Linked Lists by petermcneil on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
@SmokeDetector v
 
4:21 PM
@Andy Art set it up as by hour of day (UTC 1, 2, 3, etc.) I'll get you one by actual day here eventually
 
@Andy the new graph? By hour-of-day
 
@Undo woohoo!
 
and yeah, the inaccuracy in the 3 flag line is just down to bad averages
 
Two spam seeds remaining (1, 2). Report them or let them get Roomba'ed?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Is there any discount coupon for Cloud Server recently? by Leona on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: How to create a database user for Magento on Alibaba Cloud? by Leona on magento.SE
tpu- by Glorfindel
 
4:25 PM
@Undo honestly, I'm happy with MS functionality as-is. Resistance to load I can't estimate, but I could grab that thing Andy linked and try, if you want me to.
 
please don't
 
sure
 
if you kill it, it's probably just down all day
 
So we're waiting till monday?
 
I understand the pent up enthusiasm, but we really can wait four or five days.
 
4:29 PM
CI on 0df10cc succeeded.
 
!!/pull
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 0df10cc (ArtOfCode: Merge pull request #528 from Glorfindel83/master) (running on teward/Aurora)
Restart: API quota is 2169.
 
4:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Fast Homemade For Acne by stevenhiunts on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Best way to record a Skype or Google phone call? by user54125 on webapps.SE
tpu- by caffeineaddiction
 
5:04 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Final URL - PHP (Effective URL) How to by user3502252 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
@SmokeDetector v
 
5:44 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: what is the best way to send a large amount of data between two computers? by Aaditya Sinhania on superuser.com
 
I've got some outliers to find to make this more usable, but I think I have a plot of average deletion time by day:
 
tpu- by caffeineaddiction
 
 
that is in seconds?
 
yeah
unless I really messed up some math somewhere
 
5:47 PM
@Andy Nice, it looks like a 13C NMR spectrum
@Andy 200000 seconds is quite some deletion time
 
There is something from Jan 16 of this year that took that long. It's throwing off my month view
Last 28 days:
 
@DavidPostill im aware ... it just wasnt dying fast enough
 
@CaffeineAddiction np ;p
 
this one is throwing off the January 16th average
Deleted 16 days after being reported
 
Restart: API quota is 1518.
 
6:05 PM
@Andy but that is an fp. What does the graph represent? I assumed succesful spam reports, aka tp's ...
 
It's just going by things that are deleted.
 
Hmm, that needs some adjustment then ...
 
API quota rolled over with 1405 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 1607
askubuntu: 500
superuser: 437
unix: 241
drupal: 215
electronics: 186
math: 178
english: 165
travel: 163
mathoverflow.net: 145
salesforce: 143
dba: 142
gis: 132
magento: 127
wordpress: 123
meta: 122
webapps: 115
apple: 111
sharepoint: 108
gaming: 101
physics: 100
academia: 94
es.stackoverflow: 90
worldbuilding: 89
security: 86
rpg: 84
stats: 82
ell: 80
ru.stackoverflow: 79
movies: 75
chemistry: 74
money: 74
scifi: 74
workplace: 74
tex: 72
mathematica: 66
outdoors: 58
graphicdesign: 56
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Tkinter GUI implementation into CLI script by Jake Biggs on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
6:25 PM
@rene I'm rerunning the data gathering only posts that have at least one tp. It'll take a while though. I'm being mean to the MS API.
 
@Andy Oh, does it bite?
 
It did earlier, but it's being friendly now. I'm not being as mean.
 
Should SO be excluded from the Xiphos blacklist? There have been three false positives, all in the last week. link
 
@JanDvorak I keep trying to click your link, but the chat message actions appear
 
Updated images:
Last year
 
6:37 PM
That looks like an IR spectrum
 
Last 45 days
These are all posts that a.) Have at least 1 true positive and b.) were deleted within 5 hours of the report
 
@Andy 300 seconds make more sense
 
@M.A.R. how can I help with that?
 
I'll rerun these before we post on meta (or the graph will be available on metasmoke)
If it's on MS, hopefully it looks similar to these ^
Otherwise, someone did something wrong.
 
@Andy I think there will be an additional chart on Monday about what happened after the 3 autoflags, right?
@JanDvorak I zoomed out, clicked and zoomed back in
 
6:40 PM
You need a FullHD screen
 
@M.A.R. There a new one currently on /graphs, but it's time to deleted by hour of day
The ones above are average time to deletion per day
 
1600x900 works, too
 
@JanDvorak My default zoom is 110 percent, and I have Porkchat installed. Kinda a unique chat experience
@Thom no derping in this chat
 
fun fact I had said "hi" but it got autocorrected.
i think i see why - someone fussed with this computer's settings
CHAOS AND DARKNESS MUST BEFALL THEM!
in other news I think i lost a very valuable USB stick... I hope it's not totally gone.
i'll have to check the lost and found later...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How to get a reflection vector? by mathspro1 on math.SE
tpu- by MAR
 
6:51 PM
I guess my 'few unique characters' trigger threshold for Mathematics worked well heh
 
7:40 PM
Hmm, how many spammers have all or part of their site's name as their username?
 
@M.A.R. I already proposed a check on that, but it's not possible with the current setup.
 
@M.A.R. not many. Most're botgenerated names
 
Maybe if we ask the spammers to register with MS first?
 
8:01 PM
such a hard decision
I have a new beast of a server that we are going to be using for production testing ... basicly spinning up 1000x + VMs to stress test our management software
and I have to pick a name
so far all the other servers are named after Gods or Titans
Asteria - Titaness of nocturnal oracles and falling stars.
Perses - Titan of destruction.
Atlas - Titan forced to carry the heavens upon his shoulders by Zeus.
 
Pleiades?
 
The Pleiades (??e??de?), goddesses of the constellation Pleiades and were associated with rain
?
 
You could argue you're conducting a hailstorm
 
lol, true enough
... making it rain
 
I feel like you need a plural name for a stress test
 
8:38 PM
How about a Chinese God?

> K'uei-Hsing
Other Names: Chung-Kuei.
Description: Protector of travelers. God of tests and examinations, literature and students.
Rules Over: Protection during travel, tests, literature, students.
God of tests ;p
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Creating perfect SEO redirect for a website. Apache code in godaddy by Riley Jensen on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
fp- by DavidPostill
 
Nah, too hard to pronounce, too unknown
How about Locust?
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Bhargav Rao
Beware Smoke Detector—it'll probably flag this as spam because of that link. — Stephen Leppik 29 mins ago
How do I tell the flag weight contribution of any given reason?
 
@DavidPostill That name remembers me of both Van Helsing and Cthulhu.
 
Shoggoth could be a good project name
 
@JanDvorak gotta be somewhere on MS's reasons. If it's not, you can look for posts with each reason alone and look at their weight
 
8:52 PM
@JanDvorak round its accuracy percentage to an integer
 
so a reason whose 50% matches were true positives contributes 50 points towards autoflagging?
That's not great
 
@ArtOfCode Ahh
@JanDvorak Why? A minimum required 175 weight is reasonably high no matter what
That would mean a post with filter needs at least two other reasons to be autoflagged
 
@JanDvorak indeed
 
such as link at the end of body (50%), misleading link [actually bugged, but still correlates with spam] (50%), url in body(50%), all words in title capitalized (25%) would cause an autoflag?
 
yep
 
9:01 PM
@JanDvorak Yep
 
I don't think that's good... none of the reasons had >50% accuracy
 
@JanDvorak Why not? How many fps have there been?
 
Hmm, maybe require at least one filter with 60 percent accuracy?
 
@DavidPostill that is certainly a good point.
@M.A.R. more like 90
 
@DavidPostill The problem is it's not that far-fetched. People are always more stupid than you think
@JanDvorak Nah, that's a bit too much
 
9:04 PM
@M.A.R. So? If it is not generating fps then I don't see a problem.
 
I don't think anybody minds if I don't opt-in to autoflagging yet?
 
The thing is: if one reason has a low accuracy, the overall accuracy is low. But if a bunch of reasons with not-so-good accuracy combine, theres definitely something wrong with the post.
 
@DavidPostill I know, but we'll be avoiding that one fp in the future
 
@JanDvorak nobody's forcing you to
 
@angussidney True. But still...
@angussidney I mean, I don't think there's shortage of flag quota?
 
9:06 PM
@JanDvorak Nah, I'm actually thinking of ways to make people to opt out so I get more autoflags. :P
But dang, it's a system really close to perfect
 
Enjoy your free flags :-)
 
@JanDvorak every site on SE would have to get at least 50 spam posts a day before we run out of quota
 
Did we have an SE for hamburgers?
@angussidney Are you up late, or early?
 
@JanDvorak You're thinking about it from the wrong end. You're thinking of the individual accuracies, which yeah, aren't great. But combine them, and the system accuracy is 99.98%. It's hard to argue with that.
 
Great accuracy indeed
 
9:16 PM
@M.A.R. it's 8:16 am here
 
Mornin'
 
@M.A.R. Night
 
@Mithrandir What time is it there?
 
11:17 PM
 
Almost an hour past midnight here
 
9:18 PM
So Morning :P
 
Early morning
I'm up too early
 
What was the first day of auto flags?
 
Look at the end of last year
Not sure exactly when
 
Wait, I think I might be able to find it
 
9:20 PM
First real autoflagged post ^
 
@Andy Dry runs started Dec 26. Flags started somewhere around Jan 6.
 
@Mithrandir Wow, so dramatic
 
Are those Jan 6 posts just you or were those when sign-ups began?
 
Sheds a tear
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Q: Comprehensive quality blocks now enabled everywhere

Shog9Questions are the lifeblood of any Stack Exchange site. But asking good questions can be difficult, and while most people start off doing it poorly, some never get better. For years now, when sites reached traffic levels that made manual review and filtering of questions burdensome for the good f...

 
@Andy Jan 6 was me. Signups is coming up on a month.
Signups was Jan 17
 
9:25 PM
Thanks.
 
a thing of beauty
 
the colors of r'lyeh
 
J F
Anybody find any bugs in AIM v0.10 beta today?
 
lemme test
 
@JF new reports have a spinner attached but never load
@CaffeineAddiction meanwhile on EC2...
 
9:32 PM
@JF not 100% sure, but I think for new smokey reports it only displays one autoflagger (not 3)
 
@ArtOfCode ;)
 
@ArtOfCode That's a lot of white space ;)
 
@DavidPostill yeah, I have... no idea why that happened
 
EC2 was trying to compensate for something
 
9:34 PM
there ya go
I wonder if I'm supposed to have 20 mysqld daemons running...
 
10:01 PM
one for each of the people connected to metasmoke?
 
I don't run metasmoke
mysql on my EC2 is currently doing precisely nothing, actually
 
lies, its playing w/ sql
monkey knife fight between the diff mysql demons
#WhatComputerDoWhenIdle
 
J F
10:28 PM
Feb 10 at 4:14, by tripleee
"Failed to load data: [object Object]" <- my browser just now, after the laptop returning from sleep
Fixed-ish. Now shows info about error.
waits for spam
 
10:48 PM
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
^^^ Link redirects to a site for clipping path services - know spam site metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
J F
Is m.erwaysoftware.com the same as metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com?
 
tpu- by caffeineaddiction
 
@JF should be
 
J F
10:58 PM
thanks
 
@ArtOfCode I couldn't think of a better place to ask this since the Chatbot Dev room is frozen. The after parameter to /chats/ROOM_ID/events?mode=Messages seems to be broken -- is that just me or...?
 
@quartata I wouldn't have a clue :)
presumably it must still work, since the real chat uses it
 
J F
How should I fix this visual bug in AIM?
I could hide the time thing, but then we’d lose valuable information.
 
Move the thing that's underneath
 
@JF I don't see that. I just see the loading icon ... until I reload the page.
 
11:03 PM
suspect the time is floated and z-indexed, so you might just need some CSS magic
 
@JF force the message to be at least 2 lines tall
 
J F
@DavidPostill It should load once someone feedbacks or autoflagging info is received.
 
@ArtOfCode Something is off here then. It takes a message ID, correct?
 
no, timestamp
I think
 
I could do without he timestamp
 
J F
11:06 PM
I’m kinda liking Floern’s suggestion.
 
Oh, that would be it then. The API reference in chatexchange says message ID
Just tried it with timestamp, didn't work
 
J F
11:27 PM
@SmokeDetector Still needs flags
 
@JF Done
 
@JF It's gone
 
J F
11:49 PM
afk
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Lottery winning by patmott on math.SE
tpu- by DavidPostill
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
J F
@SmokeDetector k
 

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