Charcoal HQ

Thomas Ward

12:00 AM

otherwise we have the head mismatch problem

angussidney

Well, we have a plan

Would you like to do it, or shall I?

Thomas Ward

I'm already working on it

I have PyCharm in another window :P

which is how I should've caught the Flake8 failure, if I bothered to read the wavy line alerts xD

angussidney

Oh, and I haven't installed any of my dev tools on this computer yet, so it would be a bit hard for me to do it :P

Thomas Ward

@angussidney :P

@angussidney Considering I do a lot of python work for my one workplace, and I'm permitted to use my own laptop and my own GitLab instance, I keep PyCharm + VCS handy all the time

And fun fact, I get it for free, because I'm still in college xD

!!/alive

uhm....

whoops.

angussidney

I could get pycharm for free too, but I prefer Atom

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Thomas Ward

note to self: stop killing screen

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Thomas Ward

!!/gitstatus

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AquariusOne

!!/blacklist-website this-is-a-test\.io

grrr now why are you dying

ooo that's interesting

fatal: could not read Username for 'https://github.com': No such device or address

oh i think i know why

ArtOfCode

12:06 AM

STDIN read error?

AquariusOne

maybe

angussidney

Morning @art

AquariusOne

what's weird is it's for the push command...

ArtOfCode

@angussidney evening :)

angussidney

@ArtOfCode I thought it was morning for you now too? Past 0000hrs?

ArtOfCode

12:09 AM

@angussidney oh hey, so it is

AquariusOne

ooo there's the problem

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AquariusOne

alright so this should work now...

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AquariusOne

!!/blacklist-website this-is-a-test\.io

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12:12 AM

@AquariusOne You don't have code privileges, but I've created a pull request for you.

AquariusOne

yay!

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Thomas Ward

hey it's working now :)

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Thomas Ward

@angussidney so, all's working as it should, now. We just have to "pull" master, and it'll either work or fail.

@ArtOfCode Turns out that the box rebooted, and I forgot, so it 'forgot' the GH creds for "push"

and since it wasn't in interactive mode, it blew up.

though

it's not on the right branch...

!!/gitstatus

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12:16 AM

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Thomas Ward

and I know why.

and that one's an easy fix xD

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AquariusOne

!!/blacklist-website this-is-a-test-gotta-get-deploy-not-master-after-pr\.io

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AquariusOne

!!/gitstatus

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AquariusOne

grr

Thomas Ward

!!/gitstatus

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Thomas Ward

THERE we go!

correct branch, oorah!

AquariusOne

@angussidney so, I've fixed the mismatched Master HEAD problem, and fixed a bug I thought was present, in where the PR is created, but the "return" triggers before we switch back to the Deploy branch.

i can rest easy now.

Thomas Ward

12:21 AM

^ that's still me

angussidney

@ArtOfCode I seem to remember that you were interested in the pics of my completed build, so here they are: imgur.com/a/DNqTn

Thomas Ward

@Undo for situational awareness: thanks to @angussidney, the approach to the workflow was to pull Master, when we do the check, if the pull fails we trigger the HEAD error as normal. All's pushed up and fixed.

angussidney

Well, not really thanks to me, you did all the hard work :)

Thomas Ward

@angussidney true, but Undo was going to go to a PC and then restate the workflow

then you came along while I was messing with the code :P

egads I spammed my inbox with GH alerts

ArtOfCode

@angussidney Nice. Clean cabling, too, which is more than I managed.

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Thomas Ward

!!/gitstatus

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Thomas Ward

yay

small wins are small, but wonderful :)

In any case, problem solved, blacklist works again :)

And should anyone majorly torpedo Smokey and provide an invalid blacklist type somehow, we won't have an explosion.

angussidney

@ArtOfCode the case has room for cable management along with hook n' loop straps at the back, so all I really had to do was stuff everything behind the motherboard, strap it down and shove the sidepanel on :)

Thomas Ward

@angussidney damn, that is sweet

what case?

angussidney

12:33 AM

Phanteks Enthoo Pro

When it arrived I realised that it was much, much bigger than it looked in the photo

Thomas Ward

is that ATX or mini/micro ATX form factor?

ArtOfCode

@angussidney same with mine

angussidney

@ThomasWard it fits EATX, but I have an ATX board in there

Thomas Ward

nice!

!!/gitstatus

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Thomas Ward

12:35 AM

lies

that is a lie

!!/gitstatus

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Thomas Ward

interesting

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Thomas Ward

!!/gitstatus

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Thomas Ward

12:37 AM

yes i know it's modified, i think this is working...

AquariusOne

!!/blacklist-website testing-123-testing\.io

oops

@ArtOfCode are we sure the gitmanager methods aren't static methods?

Thomas Ward

AIUI ClassMethods, they're good for alternate class constructors.

with the exception of the dirty branch, that's running as staticmethods, we would get rid of self since it doesn't refer to self.anything

(and save about 9 bytes xD)

angussidney

@ThomasWard you should be an expert on Ubuntu (I hope), do you reccomend 14.04 or 16.04 for a new install?

Thomas Ward

@angussidney how old is the system, how old is the hardware, and specs please

@angussidney second question, do you prefer upstart/sysvinit, or SystemD?

@angussidney third question, how much do you hate VPNs and overriding DNS servers for use based on what connection you're on?

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Thomas Ward

12:47 AM

final test, before I turn off my alter ego

angussidney

@ThomasWard hardware brand new (the build pictured), definitely fast enough to run any version. i5-6600k, GTX 1060 + 16GB ram. Desktop ubuntu btw, not server

AquariusOne

!!/blacklist-website testing-123-testing\.io

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Thomas Ward

YOU WORK! YAY!

I saved us 10 bytes xD

angussidney

PPCG.SE

Thomas Ward

12:47 AM

I know, right?

angussidney

@ThomasWard not much

@ThomasWard don't know much about either of those

Thomas Ward

@angussidney that said, the gitmanager.py methods, they don't need to be initialized with an instance of the class itself, it doesn't refer to either of the methods within each other, so therefore the self is just extra.

@angussidney final question:

AMD/ATI/Radeon or nVidia graphics?

angussidney

nVidia

Thomas Ward

try 16.04 first, the Nouveau drivers might work, if not you'll have to download the binary drivers from nVidia and install them.

if that fails, 14.04

Use the LiveUSB first, to test things

It should work with 16.04

in fact I'd put 16.04 over 14.04, if only because I prefer the latest LTS :P

angussidney

@ArtOfCode I seem to remember that either you or Undo were having troubles with 16.04 with MS a few months back, does that only apply if you're hosting, or does it matter if you're developing too?

ArtOfCode

12:52 AM

@AquariusOne not a clue

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode well, I got angry at the thing, so I converted to @staticmethod and it's all working right

ArtOfCode

@angussidney I use 16.04 locally for dev without any issues, and I think the MS server is on 16.04 now too

Thomas Ward

(AquariusOne is my unpriv. sockpuppet xD)

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard I know :)

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode fun fact, I found unreachable code in ws.py

angussidney

12:54 AM

16.04.1 it is then

Thomas Ward

o/ @Undo

ArtOfCode

The issue was something in 16.04 not playing nice with MySQL, but someone patched that

Thomas Ward

hail the commit storm >:D

Undo

@ThomasWard Oy!

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard get rid of it :)

angussidney

12:54 AM

@ThomasWard there is a lot of unreachable code all over our codebase

Undo

Finally at a real machine. With big monitor and all.

ArtOfCode

If you find useless code, just get rid of it if you're sure

Undo

@ArtOfCode Heck no

Thomas Ward

@Undo you can thank @angussidney for helping me deploy a fix for the mismatched/detatched head stuff

ArtOfCode

if things break we'll just rollback

Thomas Ward

12:55 AM

@ArtOfCode brilliance of VCS :)

ArtOfCode

@Undo oh, I thought it was

Undo

Thanks @angussidney :)

Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-91-generic x86_64)

ArtOfCode

Fair enough. I don't see why it couldn't be 16.04, though, given that my local works

Undo

@angussidney Yeah, I (believe I) was specifically having issues with how 16.04's management of disk resources was playing with MySQL.

I wouldn't worry about it for a desktop box.

angussidney

Still don't know why people are thanking me, I only restated this: i.stack.imgur.com/CCh9G.png

ArtOfCode

12:56 AM

@angussidney you're important now remember ;)

Undo

fun fact: 25" monitors are really, really nice after using a lap-mounted 13" for a week

ArtOfCode

@Undo Yep. I feel the difference with a 21.5" monitor and a 15.4" laptop, so I can imagine.

Andy

@Undo you don't need that last part. Just "really, really nice"

Yvette Colomb

we use dev, test and prod

dev is master

Undo

@YvetteColomb This sounds fairly sane

Might be overkill for what we need, though, since we don't really have a dedicated test environment

@Andy I actually like it better than a 27"

Andy

1:01 AM

I gave a 27" monitor I had to a friend because it didn't line up nicely with my dual 24s. He loves it, but only uses the single monitor, whereas I have moved between dual and triple setups but don't like using a single monitor when doing dev work

Undo

@Andy Yeah, I usually run the 25 and 13 below it. Not ideal, but it works fine for what I do.

also @ThomasWard, you really don't need anyone's permission to test stuff on prod. The extent of possible collateral damage is "there are a bunch of emails in Undo's inbox", which is a couple clicks for me and doesn't matter.

Andy

I need my monitors to match/line up nicely and 27/24 ones just didn't do that

Undo

I want a 27" Oreo.

Andy

Nice auto-correct there :)

Mmmm...oreos

ArtOfCode

@Undo and no other food for a week, is it?

angussidney

1:04 AM

> Where diamonds are made, smoke is detected, and we break things by developing on production.

Andy

OK. I'm done on the phone for a while.

angussidney

The worst that could happen is @hichris123 would complain that you have spammed his inbox with GH emails

:P

Thomas Ward

@Undo oh, indeed?

Cool.

Yvette Colomb

@Undo hahaha I just emailed someone saying I pushed to test, no one has checked it and he's saying we should push it to production - without being checked!!!! The timing is impeccable.

Thomas Ward

Well, the extent of collateral damage is I fubar my box, in which case I keep a backup for good reason ;)

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1:05 AM

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Thomas Ward

there's two commits, I expect it to whine :P

Undo

@ThomasWard Yeah. We should probably have some way to back up user blacklists, etc. but... they really don't matter much.

Thomas Ward

!!/pull

@Undo thankfully I rsync weekly between Aurora and esx2

wat "Invalid base"

what did I break...

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Undo

That sounds like a fun Git error

angussidney

1:07 AM

@Undo don't we do a sync with MS with the website blacklists etc? We could probably set up something similar with user blacklists/whitelists

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Undo

@angussidney That was mostly abandoned before it reached a functional state. We put them in text files synced to the repo instead.

Thomas Ward

i had to clear the breakage manually XD

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ArtOfCode

@angussidney we don't, at the moment. We have the blacklist functionality there on metasmoke, but it's not used.

Thomas Ward

1:07 AM

@Undo actually they're on gitignore

so I'm not sure they directly sync

not 100% certain on that though

ArtOfCode

It is functional, it's just unused.

Undo

@ThomasWard Oh, I mean the website blacklists.

Thomas Ward

ah

!!/pull

Undo

Good clarification

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Thomas Ward

1:08 AM

yay you didn't die this time.

@Undo this is one of those commit / merge sets where I had to manually resolve it xD

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Undo

Yeah, we need to fix that. Whoever's running it shouldn't have to babysit it.

Back in the day, I could run it on a Pi in my closet for months at a time without touching it

Thomas Ward

indeed.

angussidney

Back in the day when we wern't considering integration

ArtOfCode

and then the Pi broke :P

angussidney

1:10 AM

and when your SD card wasn't corrupted

Thomas Ward

@Undo it might be one of those things where we have an API call to a separate shell script that executes the pull, then calls the restart command to restart Smokey

angussidney

I got ninja'd

Thomas Ward

just a thought :P

Undo

@angussidney I don't think it's actually corrupted, really. More 'Undo broke something with how he mounts the disk Smokey runs off'

Thomas Ward

like a !!/forcepull xD

Undo

1:10 AM

... hypothetically, can a Pi boot off a USB drive or similar?

Thomas Ward

@Undo Hypothetically, yes, but it's been evil when I've tried

ArtOfCode

nothing's been autoflagged in the last 12 hours

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode Smokey's been getting beaten to hell and back the past 8

Undo

@ArtOfCode Not spammy hour yet.

ArtOfCode

@Undo probably, but it's a slower interface

Thomas Ward

1:11 AM

also not spam hour yet

Undo

@ArtOfCode Meh on that one for my purposes.

huh. "raspberry pi boot from usb" autocompletes, so maybe I've been down this road before

ArtOfCode

@Undo sure, but yesterday we still had a trickle of posts over the day outside of spammy hour

Undo

@ArtOfCode Last one that shows up on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/flagging/conditions/3/edit is from 12 hours ago, and I mostly trust that logic

ArtOfCode

I'm still boggling at the 11683/5 tp/fp rate

angussidney

@Undo if you have a Pi 3, they introduced a bunch of network and USB boot features

Undo

1:13 AM

@angussidney Pi 2 (B?)

angussidney

@ArtOfCode I don't get how meta can complain about that

@Undo I think you might be able to flash it

Lemme find the blog post

Undo

@ArtOfCode Yeah, testament to how well folks have been tuning it

Is there any good test for whether the card's corrupted in the first place?

It boots and I haven't found any oddities other than mounting the drive, so...

[feature-suggestion-slash-rfc] Post a thing in here any time a post is autoflagged, then subsequently receives negative feedback.

It shouldn't be all that noisy. If it is, we deserve it.

angussidney

@undo raspberrypi.org/blog/pi-3-booting-part-i-usb-mass-storage-boot

Thomas Ward

@Undo stick the card into your computer, fsck it

Input/Output errors indicate card death

unfixable I/O errors*

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Undo

1:18 AM

@ThomasWard And therein lies the issue. I've lost the microSD adapter thing

Thomas Ward

ah

Undo

In the "can't find it after five minutes of looking" sense. It'll turn up eventually.

Thomas Ward

@Undo you in the USA? I'll send you one of my spares

if not, then bleh

ArtOfCode

@Undo +1

Thomas Ward

:P

!!/gitstatus

SmokeDetector

1:19 AM

On branch deploy
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/deploy'.
nothing to commit, working directory clean

Thomas Ward

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard c8ebabf (Thomas Ward: Add warning suppressions (IDE and some code checkers).)

Undo

@ThomasWard Yeah, but that's kinda unnecessary.

I mean really, it's $4

Thomas Ward

This will probably explode, in which case I'll revert.

!!/pull

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Thomas Ward

1:20 AM

Holy crap you work

Jan Dvorak

You should probably call the sloMo guys to record if you want to blow something up

Undo

How does staticmethod work?

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Undo

1685

Q: What is the difference between @staticmethod and @classmethod in Python?

What is the difference between a function decorated with @staticmethod and one decorated with @classmethod?

python

Thomas Ward

@Undo basically the same as a standard def foo(self, bar,baz): ... but without the self argument

Undo

1:21 AM

oh, well that makes a heck of a lot of sense

Thomas Ward

Where self is never called in a method, you can make it a Static Method, which then means the method doesn't also have to be able to call to its parent class

Undo

Should have been doing that since the beginning.

Thomas Ward

@Undo yeah, well, the constant wavy lines about 'cls' vs. 'self' were angering me

Undo

IDE warnings drive behavior quite well

Rob

Having never used python before - I was under the impression all methods were static since you need to explicitly pass in the self (aka this) argument?

Thomas Ward

1:22 AM

and, 'cls' passes an instance of the class, so unless we're using a classmethod to allow for the class to be constructed differently, we should avoid the use of classmethod

We don't even need a decorator for something that calls (self, foo, bar)

Undo

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for that explanation.

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard Python uses self sometimes, plus some of us are Rubyists which also uses self, so that'll be why

Undo

AFK now, to return eventually.

Thomas Ward

@Rob probably, but it helps to decorate it to avoid confusion.

@ArtOfCode True, though in none of the places the last two commits change, is self.something called

Rob

Fair enough

Thomas Ward

1:24 AM

so for those functions, they're staticmethod now. That said, the ones that do call self.something are just standard instance methods

without being decorated as a classmethod

and so far, Smokey's running well

someone should spam xD

Ooh, fun fact, Smokey's taking up less RAM now xD

Jan Dvorak

Should I report a random question again?

Thomas Ward

@JanDvorak up to you, but if it processes something and breaks, I need to revert my changes :)

angussidney

My Inbox ATM... it's a good time to be a gamer

Thomas Ward

and the only place I can flag right now is Ask Ubuntu (E: Flag Exhaustion) and a flag from me there is the equivalent of a nuke, so....

angussidney

oh yay ubuntu download finished

Thomas Ward

1:27 AM

heheheh

nice, @angussidney

!!/report

oops

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard Not enough arguments.

Jan Dvorak

!!/report askubuntu.com/questions/865219/…

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Thomas Ward

oh there we go :)

@SmokeDetector gone

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Thomas Ward

1:30 AM

wat

Jan Dvorak

I think SD was gone for a sec

Serg

Was this a legitimate test ? askubuntu.com/q/865219

Jan Dvorak

I believe Thomas authorized his bot to perform it.

Thomas Ward

@Serg yes, AquariusOne is my sockpuppet

Serg

OK. Just czech-ing

Thomas Ward

1:32 AM

note the 'Deleted by Thomas Ward" button on it

Serg

Well, I noticed that. I didn't know you had a bot

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Kaz Wolfe

what was this test for?

Thomas Ward

@KazWolfe I made codebase changes to Smokey

I needed to make sure all the functions work right

they don't, so...

foobarbazREVERT

Kaz Wolfe

oh.

Serg

1:34 AM

OK then. Back to AU general . . .

Thomas Ward

@Serg @KazWolfe yep, shoulda said something, but I lazy :)

alrighty, so I've reverted the DeletionWatcher changes...

angussidney

Maybe we should wait until there is actually spam before we test next time, to avoid confusion?

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Thomas Ward

@angussidney Probably a good idea. DeletionWatcher is the only thing that was dying

at least in that run. At least we fixed that part xD

s/we/I/

if it dies again there's only one more commit to undo for that one.

oops, damn

i forgot to run in screen >.<

Seth

lol oops

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Thomas Ward

well, in any case, Smokey's not dying, we'll see if it works :)

Kaz Wolfe

metasmoke is not happy.

and are you testing in prod?

Jan Dvorak

Real programmers don't have no time for testing.

Kaz Wolfe

um...

angussidney

> and we break things by developing on production

Thomas Ward

1:43 AM

@KazWolfe read the topic.

@KazWolfe Yes, MS is not happy, but this is an unfortunate evil. It will eventually calm itself.

Kaz Wolfe

nothing should even go on the testing server until 95% unit test coverage with pass, and documentation is fully complete.

Thomas Ward

ooh that's interesting

apparently, there was a hung Smokey instance

angussidney

We can revert any changes on production within about 10 seconds, so testing doesn't matter too much for us

Thomas Ward

i think that was breaking things :P

angussidney

Bad practise, but hey, it works for us

Thomas Ward

1:45 AM

@angussidney faster when the person who made the change is the one who fubar'd and is immediately reverting their breakage

esp. with direct access to the Smokey console :)

well, in any case, it's behaving... I think.

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard Of course

angussidney

Also @ThomasWard creating bootable USB drive with rufus, should I format it as FAT32 or NTFS?

Thomas Ward

@angussidney I'd use FAT32 for the drive, not NTFS, because of weirdness

Kaz Wolfe

@angussidney FAT32.

Thomas Ward

I always format my bootable drives as FAT32, because BIOS can read it easy XD

back in a bit

and I am returned :)

Jan Dvorak

1:50 AM

Who returned you? :-)

Kaz Wolfe

the goat.

Thomas Ward

@JanDvorak /dev/urandom finally spit me back out xD

Jan Dvorak

How did you end up down there?

Kaz Wolfe

he got put into the entropy pool by the kernel.

Thomas Ward

I tripped into /dev/null, which redistributed my memory structure throughout the kernel, and /dev/urandom finally spat me out after the kernel reconstituted me into the entropy pool :)

Jan Dvorak

1:54 AM

Now I finally know why I fear the Tux :-)

Kaz Wolfe

actually that's a good idea. anything sent to /dev/null should enter the entropy pool.

Jan Dvorak

I feel like this might yield some vulnerabilities.

Thomas Ward

it probably would

unless sent through five SHA512 encryption passes with five separate random salts from the entropy pool

Kaz Wolfe

i wonder if there's an ACE bug in smokey. that would be interesting.