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12:00 PM
Hiya
sd f
 
@AshishAhujaツ o/
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: Dynamic forum in JSF by user55912 on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
12:03 PM
sd k
 
Es Dee Kay
 
sd f
 
@SmokeDetector why
 
@Ferrybig Body - Position 51-73: customerservicehub.in", Position 89-111: customerservicehub.in<
 
12:09 PM
sd - f
 
What?? Is this a bug? I just saw one post in metasmoke review, and reviewed it. Still it shows 1 in review, but there isn't actually a review. i.stack.imgur.com/y2YM3.png (cc @Undo @ArtOfCode)
 
@AshishAhujaツ The number above only updates when you refresh the page (review uses XHR so no refresh needed there), it isn't dynamic. Press F5
 
@Ferrybig oh okay. I closed the tab now, so I'll try that next time. But shouldn't that number also be updated?
 
@AshishAhujaツ On StackOverflow, the orange number dictating the number of suggested edits in the queue also won't update when you review them. But at the other side, it can be easily implemented with javascript
 
12:20 PM
Indeed, it's somewhat inconsistent that fresh posts are being fed via websocket but the review count isn't updated similarly.
Granted, it's probably more expensive to calculate.
 
Then I think let it remain as it is.
 
closed as [status-by-design]
 
Noooo. How dare you close my question! Now I will serial downvote you.
 
@AshishAhujaツ HOW DARE U NOT USE CAPSLOCK AND WRITE "YOU"
 
@TIPS HOW DARE YOU SAY ANYTHING TO ME! NOW i WILL SERIAL DOWNVOTE YOU.
 
12:31 PM
Good luck
 
Oops. You do not have any posts on SO to be downvoted :(
I accept defeat..
 
Kneel
 
No. I will not kneel. I will kick.. kick kick
 
 
Oh yes... you have rep on meta SE. Even I have >125 rep. Lemme downvote.. Then you will kneel hahahaha
Do you surrender or want me to downvote...
 
12:35 PM
BRING IT ON!
I haz teh powerz to cloze
 
Okay. I'll downvote...
 
1 message moved to Trash
I draw the line at heavy animated gifs.
 
Oh OK
 
Did you see the downvote??
 
<@AshishAhujaツ has been suspended for voting irregularities. Suspension ends in xx:xx:xx>
 
12:38 PM
I am suspended... womp womp
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
I'll take my revenge when xx:xx:xx time period gets over @angussidney!
 
@Quill (╯ಠ_ಠ)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@AshishAhujaツ feels slightly scared
 
Hi all, just popped in to sya g'night. Been super busy, but review here as I can
 
12:40 PM
Night Yvette!
 
@angussidney you will slowly feel super scared! hahahaha (evil laugh)
@Quill I understood nothing in that images except the title "noise.jpg"
 
@AshishAhujaツ It's TV noise. It's a surprise if you do understand something from it.
@Quill *whenever someone is giving TIPS here
 
@TIPS Oh well. My TV hardly becomes like that, so I forgot.
 
If your TV became like that you would've been using ancient technology.
 
12:48 PM
Well it becomes like that sometime on the satellite mode.
 
I remember it from 13 or so years ago.
 
In my TV there are modes. If you're on the cable mode, it won't happen like that, but if you're on the satellite mode, and the connection gets cut, it becomes.
 
1:02 PM
Well bye everyone, I'm off for the night. See ya!
 
Bye @angussidney!
 
Is smokey dead ? Or are the spammers tired of smokey ?
 
!!/alive
 
@AshishAhujaツ Of course
 
@Lordofdark spammers tired of smokey
 
1:14 PM
@Ferrybig that
 
1:25 PM
sd f
 
1:44 PM
@art
Are you good at finding vote fraud?
 
With or without mod tools?
 
@ArtOfCode The user is on SO
 
Undo's your expert, then :)
Confirming vote fraud without mod tools is difficult to do with any good degree of certainty.
 
@Magisch I think you should just ping some mod in SOCVR
 
@Undo the user that asked this meta has a incredibly fishy voting history
@ash pinging mods in SOCVR is forbidden
 
1:46 PM
If you want to give me a link, I'll see what I can find, but mods need to verify.
 
I don't want to raise a flag since its just a hunch I have
 
@Magisch why?
 
@Magisch the meta question is enough for me :)
I'll bet you that user has at least one sock who's voting for him, voted too many times for himself today and hit the rep cap.
Oh in fact, I see a ChrisF in TL. I'll go give him a vote fraud case to munch on.
 
@ArtOfCode I raised a modflag
but feel free to ping a chris
 
pinged
 
1:49 PM
it seems he's busy
 
@Quill indeed, but careful about giving out too much detail from TL
 
What's TL?
 
Targeted laceration
 
Tripping Leviathan
 
Telling lies
 
1:52 PM
Mkay, that user's been dealt with
 
Mhm
I'm not gonna ask what he did because I know even if you knew @art, you couldnt tell
 
I know :) but yeah, TL
I could tell you but I'd have to kill you and all that
 
Mod agreement, I presume
 
nah, just TL
Copying out of TL is not advisable
 
The user that wrote this answer asked a completly clueless meta question about the rep cap (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326289/…). Together with his more then fishy rep history (including 14 reversed votes yesterday) I think that they're engaging in some fishy business. Maybe a mod can investigate and talk to them. – Magisch 7 mins ago helpful
 
1:55 PM
@Magisch I didn't do nuthin ;-;
 
So apparently something was done
 
on the order of you're gonna lose your diamond if you quote stuff out of there
Which (fyi @Quill) includes posting links to messages - they'll onebox outside of TL perfectly happily.
 
I figured...
anyway.... third force reboot update and I'm not even up to macOS Sierra yet
 
@Magisch something was most certainly done
@Quill You're installing a beta 1 macOS on your daily driver?
Put it on an external hard drive :P
 
@Undo yup, no Time Machine even
I'm going cowboy
 
1:58 PM
braver man than I
Although Apple beta 1's have gotten far more stable
but seriously, run Time Machine. Pls.
 
yeah, I need to buy a new Hard Drive for that
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 34 secs ago, by Magisch
I looked at the timestamps of the votes, and clicked through the users of the accepts. They all seem to be from around his area, some from some obscure college there. I also checked on the past history, he only recently started gaining rep this fast. Ontop of that he had a -140 reversal yesterday. So I concluded that a modflag was appropiate
 
I actually lost all my data like a week ago
 
@Quill or rip one out of another computer
 
I had some distinct memories from the last massive college voting ring so I got a little paranoid
 
2:07 PM
oh ja, MS deploy awaiting its Undoing
 
later
 
TIL: Writing tests gets very repetitive if you don't do it while you're writing the software.
 
TDD is nice looking, but also pretty painful. At work, I have a self-policy of trying for at least 70% code coverage on the controllers I add for each PR
 
It is useful, though. I've nuked about 20 different bugs while writing these tests.
bugs that I never knew were there, because they didn't show up in the final thing
 
2:20 PM
do you have a code coverage setup with those tests?
 
Nope, I'm just writing tests
test anything that seems like it could break
 
 
code coverage is pretty cool, it shows you how much of your code you cover with your tests, which logic branches you hit the most, which ones are ignored
good for finding redundant code
 
What kind of setup are you thinking of?
Online service, like CI?
 
yeah, it's usually connected to your CI. I use coveralls mainly
 
2:26 PM
damn, doesn't support GitLab
ah well, neither does CI, so I'll just use the GH repo
 
 
@SmokeDetector N because the OP was just testing
 
Say, who's FunkyLoveCow?
Name's familiar, but I can't place it
 
Use soup's alias finder
 
2:38 PM
@Undo likewise
 
oh, Andy
 
@Undo Me.
Unprofessional account.
 
Ouch... @Quill set up. First report: 38.47% coverage.
 
that's not bad as a start
 
2:48 PM
sd n
 
So many bugs in this project... turns out that not only could users mark each other's notifications as read, but regular users could also access moderator functions...
 
3:10 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why do animated gif images take so long to load? by dildo baggins on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector offensive
 
dat name though
 
3:28 PM
Is this a day off @Andy? :)
 
This is a "wait for the manager to get back to you" day
And, I'm sick of looking at job postings
 
@Andy Job-hunting?
What's the field like these days?
 
I am. But, I'm being picky about it. I am tired of driving into the office daily and really want something remote. I'd also like something more product management (or community management) orientated than straight technical programming related. I won't turn one down if I find one that looks awesome, but it's not my first choice.
 
community management? Hm...
;)
 
This was a technical one I applied for, but GitHub hasn't gotten back to me.
 
3:39 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: jquery is not sending date in query string by SG2791 on stackoverflow.com
 
> As a member of GitHub's Security team, you will design and implement spam fighting systems.
cooool
 
 
@Andy Suspect get_user_from_list_command returns it as some kind of bodged-in error code
Wow, I'd like to intern for this.
 
> Applications are currently closed for internships.
They had some postings back in March
I interviewed for a Manager of their Enterprise support team back in Feb.
Unfortunately for me (perhaps both sides), they are building that team from scratch and I didn't realize that. My experience is not building a support team from nothing - which means building out the phone support system, on site resources, etc. I can and have managed one that was operational though. They reposted the job in April and added a sentence about that requirement, so I'm guessing I'm not the only one that didn't realize it at the time
 
@Andy Phone support for a spam system? Easy. One phone, when it rings pick it up and yell "go away"
 
3:47 PM
Despite that, the interviewer, HR and other people I talked to were incredibly helpful and able to answer any question I had. They know what they are doing and are growing fast
@Undo Heh. No, different team. Support for businesses that purchase Github enterprise
 
oh, that makes more sense
 
@Andy It's -2... anyway, I believe the point is that since a user id can be any positive number, the only way to do error checking is with negative numbers.
 
@SmokeDetector naa-
 
Transcription error. But, I was wondering why we check for -2 when we have if uid > -1 and val != "": right above it.
 
3:51 PM
@Andy Well, there is an else statement right below that...
!!/isblu 99 charcoalhq.com
 
@hichris123 User is not blacklisted (99 on charcoalhq.com).
 
@Andy Suppose uid could be None
 
@SmokeDetector ?
 
!!/isblu -2 stackoverflow
 
@Andy Invalid format. Valid format: !!/isblu profileurl or !!/isblu userid sitename.
 
3:54 PM
!!/isblu 99 abcd
 
@hichris123 Error: Could not find the given site.
 
Okay, that's better.
 
4:19 PM
Okay, coverage is at 50%
much better
 
What are you testing coverage of?
 
@ArtOfCode That suggestion on Github...*exactly* what I was going to do.
 
@Andy heh. Great minds...
like a think
 
I'm still not so sure about individual functions. If nothing is factored out, the code ends up being so much longer and all you did is change an if statement into a function...
 
4:29 PM
Multiple functions allows easier unit testing
 
It does make more semantic sense, though. Each command is a unit of logic, rather than an alternative procedure (which an if statement implies).
 
@Ferrybig That is true...
 
if content_lower.startswith("!!/COMMAND") ... :
   # Multiple
   # Lines
   # of Logic
   # Here
      # with various
	    # levels
		# of
		   # indention
	# to
	# mess with
	  # your
	  # head
vs
if content_lower.startswith("!!/block") ... :
    command_execute(**parameters)
All of that indention can be pulled out of the main function and you can easily see what each command is doing
 
Except your # multiple # levels of # indentation just move to another place...
 
But, I can see that !!/block executes command_execute and quickly jump to that function to test it
 
4:35 PM
Multiple functions also allows refactoring to make them call each other, you can make k call !!/addblu, then if we want to add "user had been blacklisted" broadcast messages we need to only edit 1 place
 
^
 
@Andy But it's not too useful to test the individual function. I've broken the whole system before -- all of our tests test that if a chat message goes in, it comes out correctly.
 
Sounds like we need to fix those then too :)
I haven't looked at the tests though, because tests aren't sexy
 
@Ferrybig But those are two different things. None of our messages are the exact same for explicitness.
@Andy github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/test/… etc. It's not that pretty, but it tests that the watcher() returns what it was expected to return.
 
Ah, I'm just in time for the test vs no-test match ... What is the score so far?
 
4:44 PM
@rene I can vouch for QPaysTaxes, though I understand if you prefer to keep to your methods...
And you were just in time for that message. :)
 
@hichris123 scroll down a few hours to when I cocked it all up again :)
 
@hichris123 sure, but I had rejected another request earlier this week so I had to come up with a sigh rule that is fair... he just didn't make it, close, but not close enough
It would be 2 or 3 weeks so let's say that @ArtOfCode is from the future and went ahead ...
 
Restart: API quota is 3472.
 
'sides, if one of us screws it up, people can't exactly blame you for getting it wrong.
 
We are in this together
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Call using Skype from html without prompt window by Zoe on stackoverflow.com
 
@Undo You deleted it too-quick, smokey didn't detect it was deleted
 
5:08 PM
Way #84 to confuse Andy:
On a question I haven't answered
 
5:58 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body: Total transaction fee for Paypal Chained Payments by msk on stackoverflow.com
 
@Undo sensitive security info ^ needs redacting
The request is valid
 
Can't right now, will have to wait
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, pattern-matching website in body: Garcinia Melt, Garcinia Melt Reviews, garcinia melt diet, garcinia melt ingredients, garcinia melt side effects, where to buy garcinia melt by Garcinia Melt on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon)
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: How do I download GTA 5 for PC on a slow internet connection? by videosurfer on gaming.stackexchange.com (@angussidney)
 
6:39 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Does the gravitational pull of the moon affect the composition of Earth's atmosphere? by Юсуп Хизиров on earthscience.stackexchange.com (@hichris123)
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is there any evidence for health benefits from cannabis? by user4957 on health.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector f
@SmokeDetector f
 
@SmokeDetector redacted on MS
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Smoking weed in Amsterdam as a tourist by Prague Weed on travel.stackexchange.com
 
6:52 PM
noooot sure what to redact on the site
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Does soy milk help prevent cancer? by user4958 on health.stackexchange.com
 
@Undo probably anything about security or passwords
half of the X-PAYPAL headers can go
 
tempted to just delete the whole question
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
6:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Smoking weed in Amsterdam as a tourist by Prague Weed on travel.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer, blacklisted user: Can Aluminium Chlorohydrate in anti prespirants cause breast cancer? by user4958 on health.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer, blacklisted user: Travelling to Latin America to take hallucinogenic drugs: how does one do it safely? by Prague Weed on travel.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector I'm going to blacklist this website
 
7:03 PM
@SmokeDetector tpu-
 
@SmokeDetector ignore-
 
!!/pull Blacklist www.grey-areaweed.com
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 7e75afc (Fernando van Loenhout: +grey-areaweed.com) (running on Raspberry Pi)
Restart: API quota is 2578.
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Booting very slow after I added another disk by user557879 on askubuntu.com (@HenryWHHack)
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: is this sort of business classify Riba? by Spark on islam.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
7:38 PM
What was the command to report all posts of a user as spam again?
 
!!/allspam
 
Does that work for all sites or only one site?
 
It only says a user is spam, it doesn't scan for individual posts on that account
 
Well, going to report Barack Obama now.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 557877 on askubuntu.com
 
{ metasmoke } @ByteCommander: It seems this is your first time feeding back to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
 
WUT?
It is not!
:P
 
@ByteCommander First time since a change a while back that allowed us to track IDs
Recommended reading anyway, though, if you haven't already.
 
Aha. I wasn't active for a few weeks...
Will do.
 
8:04 PM
You probably know most if not all of it, but hey
 
 
2 hours later…
9:40 PM
API quota rolled over with 1612 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 1534
askubuntu: 517
superuser: 441
unix: 250
drupal: 192
salesforce: 179
english: 156
travel: 153
math: 152
dba: 140
security: 130
mathoverflow.net: 122
electronics: 119
mathematica: 119
gis: 115
gaming: 114
magento: 112
apple: 111
scifi: 107
sharepoint: 106
workplace: 100
programmers: 98
meta: 94
money: 92
ell: 88
wordpress: 80
tex: 74
academia: 73
physics: 71
ru.stackoverflow: 68
worldbuilding: 67
puzzling: 67
stats: 66
webapps: 65
android: 63
movies: 61
arduino: 56
raspberrypi: 55
 
 
1 hour later…
11:10 PM
So a thought on the ignoring system (cc @Undo because you've seen the code). Currently, if we have an ignored user, every feedback they create is marked ignored. If another feedback on the same comes along from someone who isn't ignored and the feedback type is the same, the ignored feedback is taken off ignore.
That's all fine and dandy.
The result of that, however, is to vet their feedback for them until they're not ignored any more. But they'll eventually get out of ignore, because only valid feedbacks can be added. Even if only one in a hundred is valid, they'll get out of it, and then they'll have full privileges again. When those get invalidated, they'll get ignored again, and we cycle round again.
 
Would that be a Smokey feature or a MS feature?
 
So how would it be, when another feedback came along on the same post as an ignored feedback, and it isn't the same type, we take the ignored feedback off ignore but invalidate it?
@Quill MS
 
it sounds a bit edge case though, how many ignored feedbacks are given
 
We've got someone on ignore right now, actually. He's posted a few valid feedbacks that have been confirmed, so his valid total has gone up (progress towards unignore), but he's also posted a few invalid, and his invalid total hasn't gone up.
If we noted the invalid ones as well as the valid, that might paint a better picture.
 
makes it kinda sound like being Ignored is better.... all the benefits none of the negatives
 
11:19 PM
Ignored, you mean?
Pretty much, yeah.
 
11:48 PM
@ArtOfCode Why not just count ignored feedback as invalid?
That means that it didn't get confirmed
Or actually mark it invalid if opposite feedback (f v. t) comes in afterwards
 
@Undo this is what I'm proposing
@Undo this would be bad
 
If all ignored is invalid, there is no path to recovery.
 
@soup No, just count it for the checks. There'd be a path to recovery; people confirming your feedback would unignore it - making it count as valid in the checks
But in-between feedback (n) makes that a little iffy.
@ArtOfCode Yeah, seems sane to me
 
@Undo but if your feedback is valid but doesn't get confirmed... There are quite a lot of posts that only have one feedback.
 
11:51 PM
@ArtOfCode Except it'd still be counted as ignored for showing in review, right?
The idea is that there will be at least one unignored; uninvalidated feedback on all posts eventually. Whether that comes through chat or /review
 
That'd be a lot of invalid feedback just because you're ignored. It might not be invalid, we just want someone else to review your feedback for now until you show you understand the system; marking everything new as invalid would make it incredibly hard to recover.
@Undo true
 
@ArtOfCode I'm still not following that, it'd always end up being either valid or invalid. The main difference between start-as-invalidated and invalidate-on-conflict is that the former would hurt you for not being the first feedbacker
Wow that's a long sentence
I do think that invalidate-on-conflict is the best route, though
presume-bad v. presume-good. Presume-good would work just fine here.
 
Oh, I see how you're thinking. Every ignored feedback will be reviewed eventually, so it doesn't matter which way we start because the end result will be the same. Yes, gotcha.
but yea, invalidate on conflict
not least for the stats... Starting invalidated would make an ignored users stats look terrible until the feedback got reviewed.
 
Which wouldn't take long, but on-conflict works just fine
And they're not exactly the same, but the difference are negligible for what we're doing
 
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