Charcoal HQ

1:00 PM

@Glorfindel I already mentioned this chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43307542#43307542, and I'm totally prepared to drop it.

Cerbrus

If you unlock the post, I'll word it in a way that doesn't insult any religion.

M.A.R.

Maybe open up a chat and discuss it freely?

Bhargav Rao

Well, you can wait for it to get unlocked automatically in a few days, or flag it for moderator attention, where another SO moderator can take a look at it.

Cerbrus

I'm prepared to compromise, but no?

Bhargav Rao

@M.A.R. I would have totally preferred that over this.

@Cerbrus I'm informing you a way to get your post unlocked, as well.

M.A.R.

1:02 PM

@BhargavRao well, he was looking for a way to reach you, and now you can run together. I'd suggest opening a mod chat, granting him access, and talk it out.

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao That's exactly why I contacted you.

Bhargav Rao

Cool, then this'd be my last statement chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43307573#43307573. Cya all \o

Cerbrus

wtf...

M.A.R.

No you can't, I'm two countries away

Cerbrus

I don't remember you being this bureaucratic...

M.A.R.

1:05 PM

@Cerbrus What the Fairies?

Cerbrus

@M.A.R. Yea, wouldn't want to offend anyone

Bhargav Rao

I've certainly changed @Cerbrus, handling hundreds of thousands of flags has made me a bit stone hearted.

Cerbrus

That's a shame.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Lost passport with US visa (Non Immigrant) in USA , can I get my US Visa replaced in USA? by whiteney on travel.SE

M.A.R.

Bureaucratic = Stone hearted? Come on

SmokeDetector

1:06 PM

tpu- by Glorfindel

Bhargav Rao

@M.A.R. more than that. West Coast, US, atm.

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

I'm not stone hearted

@BhargavRao two snakelike countries then

WELZ

!!/watch consultant\.com

SmokeDetector

@WELZ Added consultant\.com to watchlist

Bhargav Rao

@M.A.R. Aha, Azerbaijan + Russia

M.A.R.

1:09 PM

Russia is like a fat snake

A python that's just swallowed a poor zebra

realizing Putin and python are strikingly similar

SmokeDetector

CI on 8cd0f51 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 8cd0f51 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of consultant\.com by WELZ --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 15959.

Cerbrus

Fine. Flagged.

A J

I still don't know which post that argument was about.

Bhargav Rao

Good, now another moderator would look at it.

Cerbrus

Or better yet, deleted.

CalvT븃

1:11 PM

@AJ Probably a good thing we don't

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao Do mod flags still show up on deleted questions?

Bhargav Rao

Yep

Cerbrus

*Shrug* 'kay

Bhargav Rao

Until a mod clears it manually

Cerbrus

Or I retract it.

Bhargav Rao

1:13 PM

Yepz, that's fine as well. Shouldn't be an issue

Cerbrus

@AJ "Select moderators randomly in Stack Overflow"

Bhargav Rao

Well allz well, that ends well. But again, take care not to get r/a flagged.

ArtOfCode

Oi, no arguments :P

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao Hey, don't pretend you're not stone-hearted now ;-)

Bhargav Rao

I'm still stone hearted. That's for sure ;)

WELZ

1:15 PM

@ArtOfCode seen my blub Blub meme? 😝

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao Just curious, are you allowed to tell me how many flags it got?

Magisch

@BhargavRao Hey Bhargav

Bhargav Rao

Well, fine, as a known chat user who used to frequently discuss with you, I can tell you that, what really tipped me was the rollback.

Nothin else.

@Cerbrus some number between 5-10

Cerbrus

Wow

didn't expect that many

Magisch

What did I miss?

Cerbrus

1:17 PM

DRAMA

M.A.R.

@Magisch a cryptic conversation no one understands

A J

It seems like everything is settled. Can I get the link to the post? It's making me more curious.

M.A.R.

Mission codes

Bhargav Rao

@Cerbrus The thing is, when moderators roll back something, we don't roll it back based on personal vendetta or something. We act based on flags. So if you roll back our roll backs, you are just inviting the flagger to . .... flag again. Just simple logic here.

Cerbrus

@AJ it won't do you much good

Bhargav Rao

1:18 PM

@Magisch \o

WELZ

@Magisch Thomas Jefferson's coming home.

A J

@Cerbrus Ugh. Don't have 10k to see that.

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao What didn't help was that the mod that rolled it back just acted like there was nothing wrong, before.

M.A.R.

@BhargavRao if you don't rollback based on a personal vendetta, you're doing it wrong

WELZ

That is the most terrible suggestion ever!

Cerbrus

1:19 PM

So I was like, "Can't be that serious".

Maybe that mod should've poked me with a tiny explanation why

They know where to find me :P

@WELZ My point exactly xD

Bhargav Rao

@Cerbrus Yeah, I would have left a comment, but I am quite sure that they saw the edit summary comment left by another user and thought that you'd have understood.

M.A.R.

@WELZ is the suggestion the one I see in the title?

yep, so it seems

@M.A.R. yea

Goodness gracious!

1:21 PM

Well, that, and the user that made the suggestion kinda triggered me.

M.A.R.

I wanna have wingding as mod.

Bhargav Rao

You gotta maintain your cool. You might be running for a moderator sometime in the future, like you did in the past. Getting triggered over silly issues, won't help.

M.A.R.

@Cerbrus why should you be against all good ideas? Sheesh

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao I kinda changed my mind on that. Not planning on running again any time soon

M.A.R.

@BhargavRao what if he was having some steak/wolf food with hot steak juice and pepper at that moment?

Bhargav Rao

1:24 PM

@Cerbrus Uh, fine. But let that not become an opportunity to get triggered.

M.A.R.

And the pepper was those hellish red Mexican ones

Suraj Rao

Bhargav Rao

@M.A.R. then I'll let PETA lose on him

Magisch

@BhargavRao SO elections are too much popularity contest and not enough merit

Suraj Rao

here is the question for anyone's morbid curiosity

A J

1:25 PM

@SurajRao thanks. :P

Bhargav Rao

@Magisch Err, you don't tell that to a candidate who has won. That raises the question if they've won it not through merit. :|

Magisch

@BhargavRao Almost every serious candidate has the merit

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao I'm sure you can see how many flags that user triggered with stupid meta contributions? :P

Magisch

those that don't get shouted down in the nomination

M.A.R.

@SurajRao triggered

Magisch

1:26 PM

You just need merit and popularity to get anywhere

Glorfindel

@Cerbrus I really don't understand why they aren't question banned on mSO.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: lifters and weightlifters all over my bedroom by dsiuvssm on askubuntu.com

Bhargav Rao

@Magisch that's something which I can agree upon.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Glorfindel

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

Magisch

1:27 PM

@Cerbrus What exactly was that spat about? I visited that question and left a comment indicating how bad an idea that was, but I didn't see anything horribly offensive

Cerbrus

@Glorfindel from what I'm told, they can't separately Qban him on Meta

Bhargav Rao

@Glorfindel there are no qc bans on child meta sites

Magisch

@BhargavRao I wasn't trying to say your winning had no merit. If you recall I quite publicly voted for you at that time :p

Cerbrus

@Magisch my answer was "blasphemous"

M.A.R.

I could see why it could have triggered anyone though

Especially possible comments

Cerbrus

1:28 PM

I'd say no problem: Just (question) ban the user completely. Surely outweighs the headache...

M.A.R.

@Cerbrus ouch, okay, I have had one of those answers

Magisch

@Cerbrus lel

M.A.R.

Still lying around. I typed the answer at 3 a.m.

Bhargav Rao

Anyway, time for me to leave. Have 32 mins of night left, before I get up and get going. Cya \o

Cerbrus

(My answer started with "Abso-deitydamn-lutely not")

@BhargavRao Nite, sleep well!

A J

1:29 PM

@BhargavRao I got 1 minute. :P

Bhargav Rao

@Magisch yupz, I know <3

M.A.R.

@BhargavRao cool, you were chatting in sleep.

Magisch

@Cerbrus Thats not something to get triggered over, it's just humorous

M.A.R.

Modding has literally become his life.

Bhargav Rao

@M.A.R. Yeah, 5:29AM :/

Cerbrus

1:29 PM

@Magisch Apparently it got 5-10 flags

Tinkeringbell

@Cerbrus readies the chat flag

Magisch

I need my 10 hours of sleep every night

lest I become annoying

Cerbrus

@Tinkeringbell don't you dare :D

I took care not to name the deity xD

Magisch

@Cerbrus still humorous. Maybe I would have edited out the part just to focus the discussion on what's important but alas

Tinkeringbell

@Cerbrus Any deity is even worse, you're now insulting even more people XD

Cerbrus

1:30 PM

@Tinkeringbell *Facedesk*

This is why we can't have nice things

Magisch

SO Meta isn't the place to fight people about their religion on :p

Bhargav Rao

@Magisch 10hrs is too much ...

Magisch

@BhargavRao what can I say I'm very sleepy

Bhargav Rao

:/

Cerbrus

@BhargavRao Go! Sleep!

Shoo!

Magisch

1:32 PM

I still find the time to load y'all up with flags though

evil laughter

Bhargav Rao

Yep, omw.

@Magisch their time will come, sometime after 1 week. My exams are soon getting over ;)

Okay, now I leave. Bye \o

Magisch

Bye

good night

@ArtOfCode what Taryn warned us about happened: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364383/…

tripleee

sort of like "I'm the one your mother warned you about"

Glorfindel

@Magisch oops, my fault ...

Magisch

@Glorfindel You're a robot, glorfindel :p

Glorfindel

1:40 PM

Oh. Then it's Art's fault.

!!/blame᠎ ᠎⁠‌᠎᠎

WELZ

@Magisch yeh @Glorfindel ... not supposed to have any rep

SmokeDetector

@Glorfindel It's ArtOfCode's fault.

2

CalvT븃

@ArtOfCode can probably remove him

Magisch

We've reached cultural height of 2 memes of charcoal in this short conversation

:D

Cerbrus

!!/blame᠎ ‍⁠‌

Andy

1:43 PM

@ArtOfCode It's time to remove those domains that aren't ours from sign up.

SmokeDetector

@Cerbrus It's Magisch's fault.

WELZ

@Magisch if u wudnt hav sed it, we probebly wudve got more of teh memez

tripleee

there was something about a squid there as well

Cerbrus

That's another 2 memes down.

WELZ

blub. Blub. blub

Magisch

1:43 PM

Is talking about the memes of charcoal a meme of charcoal?

tripleee

waffles

Magisch

It's coming from inside the chatroom

Glorfindel

@Magisch it's a meta-meme.

tripleee

can I link to a comment in Channels? apparently not

WELZ

can't link anything from channels

tripleee

1:44 PM

> I'm not actually sure what the consumer NS domain name is, I quoted this from memory and can't find any recent examples to check against. If someone can remind me and/or check this particular fact, that would be much appreciated.

Andy

@ArtOfCode Our meta posts are drawing attention and random users are signing up. It's also causing me to get pinged by devs asking us to remove those domains. Please do so.

Glorfindel

@tripleee Channels is semi-private so it won't onebox.

tripleee

(for someone whose DNS is hosted on Namecheap)

WELZ

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@WELZ That's not a report.

tripleee

1:44 PM

@Glorfindel so it seems

Magisch

@Andy Taryn called it yesterday that something like this would happen

WELZ

another meme

tripleee

1 min ago, by tripleee

waffles

Tschallacka

Blue ones?

ugh, made the mistake to google it again. since the meme decreased in popularity the real ones bubbled to the top again

Jake Symons

Are there any other channels for SOCVR or SOBotics, or other SE groups or are we the only one

Tschallacka

1:47 PM

don't google blue waffles

WELZ

We need smokey to send us a message: "New Charcoal Channel WELZ created" (with link to their profile)

Magisch

@JakeSymons socvr has one afaik

WELZ

@JakeSymons sobotics has one, but you need an sobotics email.

stackoverflow.com/c/sobotics/join

Cerbrus

@Magisch Sources say yes

Magisch

@Cerbrus meta-meta-meme

tripleee

1:49 PM

!!/watch (?:1\W*)?850\W*329\W*0522

SmokeDetector

@tripleee Added (?:1\W*)?850\W*329\W*0522 to watchlist

Cerbrus

Why does the channel have SO's favicon?

WELZ

@Cerbrus stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/q/72/3

Cerbrus

May be better to post that on main.so.meta

... this is getting confusing

WELZ

All confusion and bugs aside. Channels have so far been a lot of fun and awesomeneszzzz!

SmokeDetector

1:51 PM

CI on 0f18902 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 0f18902 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of (?:1\W)?850\W*329\W*0522 by tripleee --autopull*) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 15563.

Magisch

rep in channels is really pointless, but still works to encourage you to post stuff

ArtOfCode

@Andy where have you been pinged? I need to talk to them and figure out what that's actually going to do.

Magisch

so maybe it's not pointless after all

CalvT븃

@Magisch Until we get a new user that wants to get lots of rep and posts loads of cruff hoping for upvotes

Because the main stuff is already posted

Taryn

@ArtOfCode please remove the generic gmail/yahoo from signup

tripleee

1:53 PM

!!/blacklist-website healthsupplementzoneus\.wordpress\.com

SmokeDetector

@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Pattern-matching website in body and Pattern-matching website in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

WELZ

@Taryn if we remove it, do those users that have already signed up (with those domains)... get deactivated?

Keyur Potdar

@Andy I'm one of those "random users". I've no idea how to leave the Channel. Any help?

Andy

@ArtOfCode SO's mod room

Taryn

@WELZ no they are already in

CalvT븃

1:54 PM

@KeyurPotdar Ask @ArtOfCode

Yup, you joined the Charcoal team. I can deactivate your team profile, if you want? — ArtOfCode 8 mins ago

Keyur Potdar

Yes, I'd like it.

Mad Scientist

@WELZ that might delete the SO account, or has anyone tried it yet?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How are poisons discovered? Does someone have to die/be poisoned from it first? by Enki Enkidu on chemistry.SE

CalvT븃

@WELZ You sure that doesn't delete the whole SO account?

Keyur Potdar

I saw the delete profile option. But was afraid it'll delete my SO account. So didn't try it.

Taryn

1:55 PM

@ArtOfCode we're going to be locking it down so those addresses cannot be used but right now links to internal team pages have been posted on MSO and if you don't have access you're shown the signup page

WELZ

you're right don't do that

Tinkeringbell

I'm willing to try that? My SO account isn't really worth anything so...

WELZ

It forwards to SO...

that's the problem

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

Magisch

Seems like we done broke it

WELZ

1:56 PM

so it has to be deactivated by admin

Magisch

Already

New record: Less then 1 full day after launch

Keyur Potdar

@CalvT븃 Please deactivate my profile if you can.

WELZ

@KeyurPotdar cc: @ArtOfCode

Keyur Potdar

Sorry, @ArtOfCode please deactivate my profile.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, blacklisted user: How are poisons discovered? Does someone have to die/be poisoned from it first? by Enki Enkidu on chemistry.SE

tpu- by Floern

M.A.R.

1:59 PM

@SmokeDetector K

WELZ

Any Chem mods around?

Andy

@ArtOfCode meager (SO mod) is also asking for their channel profile to be disabled

M.A.R.

@WELZ @Loong

Magisch

@Andy meagar :D

WELZ

!!/whois chemistry mod

SmokeDetector

1:59 PM

@WELZ That is not a user level I can check. I know about code_admin, admin

WELZ

eh, would be a cool feature

Magisch

I made that mistake once and was corrected

M.A.R.

@WELZ Loong, Martin, Jonsca

Only Loong might be around

The guy rarely talks though

WELZ

!!/whois code_admin

Cerbrus

@ArtOfCode: looks like charcoal can't render emojis in userscript names: charcoal-se.org/scripts (for FIRE)

M.A.R.

2:01 PM

Just stares you to death

SmokeDetector

@WELZ I am aware of 27 code admins. Currently in this room: WELZ, ArtOfCode, Magisch, Andy, CalvT븃, tripleee, Glorfindel, Henders, Suraj Rao, iBug, Ferrybig, John Dvorak, Byte Commander. Not currently in this room: Thomas Ward, doppelgreener, angussidney, Mithrandir, Yvette Colomb, ProgramFOX, paper1111, Ashish Ahuja, DavidPostill, Paul Stenne, bwDraco, Undo, quartata, NobodyNada.

WELZ

oh, wow

SmokeDetector

[ userscripts ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on 3c51291: The Travis CI build passed

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Printing integer in x86 assembly by breiter kanal on stackoverflow.com

WELZ

@Cerbrus I would also call it: "🔥 FIRE: Feedback Instantly, Rapidly, Effortlessly"

SmokeDetector

naa- by Mego

M.A.R.

2:02 PM

@SmokeDetector N

WELZ

how many people tried clicking on the flame in my last message? o.O

I myself tried!!

M.A.R.

That's how it mind controls you

PeterJ

I was taught not to play with fire

Suraj Rao

@SmokeDetector that german?

M.A.R.

I haven't used FIRE for months, and ~~I'm free~~ I'm sober

@SurajRao the name looks cool. Probably

Cerbrus

2:04 PM

@WELZ good idea

WELZ

[ SmokeDetector | MS | 🔥 ] Meme chat message detected: (You're a robot, @Glorfindel) by Magisch in Charcoal HQ

3

@Cerbrus I used to manually rename it in the userscript on my end... but every time it updates, it resets, so I just stopped.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Getting multiple index values from an array by user9467988 on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Getting multiple index values from an array by user9467988 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by WELZ on Getting multiple index values from an array [MS]

Cerbrus

@WELZ implemented now

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1

tripleee

@SurajRao I think yes, "use Linux" basically

SmokeDetector

2:07 PM

[ userscripts ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on d8ee212: The Travis CI build passed

tpu- by WELZ

Conflicting feedback on Printing integer in x86 assembly.

tripleee

"schmal" translates to "narrow" but I guess it's probably slang for something like "easy."

WELZ

I wouldn't say tp, but definitely naa

M.A.R.

@WELZ the cultural height might be more than you think

tripleee

oh dang it's going to take 500 days to reach 100k

WELZ

100k is useless here, you need 2 billion to do anything more

tripleee

2:12 PM

really? that's going to take even longer

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode Got it, thanks.

ArtOfCode

Sorted

Magisch

I wonder about chat

Can you sequence-break chat responses

quartata

Someone actually downvoted something of mine on the channel :P

WELZ

@tripleee and you are #4 about to pass me in 3rd.

@quartata you have too much rep :P

Magisch

2:14 PM

Like when you respond to a message that hasn't been posted yet, will the response be rendered properly in the transcript?

quartata

Not sure why since it was right...?

@WELZ no I don't, Glor rep capped while I was asleep without posting anything new

WELZ

@quartata I didn't say the most, I said too much lol

@quartata which post?

quartata

something about !!/stopflagging

idk

tripleee

stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/a/52/24 I'm not the downvoter but my experience is that the "Undo is generally available" part isn't really true

not meant as criticism but like everybody else Undo has a life

and sometimes the time zone differences make it hard to reach him when something's up in the middle of the night his time

Magisch

@tripleee can undo undo things when undo _undo_es things or is he undoing the point of undoing the undo to begin with?

Can I undo that joke?

SmokeDetector

2:21 PM

New metasmoke user 'Pankaj' created

Henders

@quartata I saw that too, it's got -2 now :O Again not me ..

tripleee

@Magisch waffles

quartata

@ArtOfCode comments are broken on mobile but if !!/stopflagging doesn't work then that sure isn't going to

I'm envisioning a scenario where MS isn't responding

ArtOfCode

@quartata comments are working for me on mobile...

MS totally unresponsive is basically unheard of

quartata

@tripleee I honestly don't see what's wrong with me saying that if all else fails that Undo is generally available enough to stop what is essentially a complete meltdown

Thomas Ward

2:25 PM

the only time MS would be unresponsive is if it totally explodes, but the chance of that is extremely rare.

quartata

Not really?

Tschallacka

corrupted ram, sending it in a loop

harddrive lockup

quartata

I can envision tons of programmer mistakes that could cause that

Tschallacka

memory leak

quartata

Since we're also talking about autoflagging breaking

Cerbrus

2:26 PM

I need a spam report to screenshot for a FIRE manual...

quartata

OK obviously we need to talk about this a bit more since we aren't really all that prepare for a true MS meltdown with Undo holding all the keys

Really what you're saying is not that it's not the only solution in that case but rather that's it not a good solution

Tschallacka

I propose a big red button

where three signed in trusted member must opt in to push together to activate :P

which activates a shutdown sequence

tripleee

@quartata I don't have any major objection, maybe the wording is a bit optimistic compared to the urgency in a situation where really you would like to get things out of critical ASAP

Glorfindel

tripleee

@Cerbrus like a Smoke Detector message in chat, or what?

quartata

2:32 PM

@tripleee Oh I don't mean the answer, I don't care. I mean the procedure

Glorfindel

the last spam was a lot of chat messages ago.

quartata

like do we need to be better prepared

Cerbrus

@Glorfindel Preferably one that's not deleted yet

quartata

what else can we do

tripleee

@quartata concretely right now that's probably the best there is

gtg, have a good weekend everyone!

Glorfindel

2:33 PM

enjoy!

SmokeDetector

fp- by Cerbrus

Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1

Cerbrus

whoops

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback on Getting multiple index values from an array.

Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1

Conflicting feedback on Getting multiple index values from an array.

Cerbrus

I've already retracted it!

sheesh xD

ArtOfCode

@quartata you'd be surprised. I wrote a bug a couple weeks ago that infinitely hung the request thread waiting on command line input. MS just dropped the dead threads and carried right on.

SmokeDetector

2:39 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Opening mdb files in Ubuntu by Sarah Reinhardt on superuser.com

fp- by Glorfindel

ArtOfCode

An MS meltdown isn't going to happen. More to the point, it doesn't matter in most contexts if it does. Just kill smokey and metasmoke doesn't get any data and can't do any damage.

Undo

@quartata You're talking about a meltdown in which at least three things have to pile up: (1) I'm gone enough that I can't get to my phone (usually I see pings but don't handle them right away), (2) MS fails in a way that causes autoflagging to flag more than desired (which has never happened), but yet (3) doesn't respond to stopflagging or the web UI

ArtOfCode

A data breach is the only case in which killing smokey won't help, but a data breach isn't also going to lock up metasmoke - so, I'll have the necessary tools to kill the breach.

Undo

And yeah, kill Smokey.

Cerbrus

Shame it's a FP, but I've got a screenshot.

Ferrybig

2:41 PM

Is this bug on the channels only for me, or for everyone (on a random Q&A page)

Undo

Seen that in Chrome

Thomas Ward

@Ferrybig yes, in Chrome

ArtOfCode

Maybe we need a name for this strategy as a more generic thing. We have ton of bricks enforcement where we don't do moderation because we don't need to; what do we call it when we don't make plans or policy because we don't need to?

Undo

Pallet of Bytes

Thomas Ward

uhm, I discovered a login bug heh

Andy

2:44 PM

@ArtOfCode "Oh shit! Driven Recovery" - OSDR for short

ArtOfCode

MS or channels?

Heh, works for me