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7:00 PM
Undo I think
 
@ArtOfCode Senior Downvote Herder
 
33.6k
I've got 12.2k, Andy 8.6k
 
I've got 0.4k
 
I can see that 10K line in the distance. It's waving at me.
 
I just hit 1k from 1 answer :P
 
7:02 PM
I can see the 1k line in the distance, but its definitely not waving
 
@thesecretmaster Look at Mr. Fancy Rep over here ;)
 
@JakeSymons huh?
Huh.
Or maybe houh
 
@M.A.R. you've lost me....
 
@Andy The power of being featured network wide :)
 
@JakeSymons it's just it's kinda unfair. Unless you unknowingly just paid for AmE
@thesecretmaster there wasn't a rep cap?
 
7:05 PM
It was featured for a while. Probably hit the cap a couple times over multiple days
 
@M.A.R. I haven't paid for it, I had a free trial and it ran out. If you want language options and stuff, you've got to pay for it otherwise you get to suffer with their "basic plan"
 
@JakeSymons Oh OK
@Andy Then it have to miraculously have gotten almost only 20 upvotes each day
Dang it. I envy his luck
 
@Andy I only hit it once, but yes.
 
Unless it's not luck . . . Depends on what he's a master of
 
@ArtOfCode hmm, I should try to catch up :P
 
sd f
 
@M.A.R. We'll figure it out when we get there. The rep doesn't matter, really
I still haven't sat down to read it. Might be a good thing; I can read it after a few revisions and have fresh eyes.
 
@Undo Rep matters when you're in the lower levels and can't do anything like moderation and stuff, when you have diamonds that's when rep doesn't matter :)
 
Some truth there ;)
 
@Undo of course it doesn't. It just needs to be someone who can represent the whole thing
WTF
 
7:21 PM
@Undo From my end, I'm happy with it, just looking for what other people want in it as well. If there are no major comments then I'll throw it at some mods later on today for comment (on the post, that is, not the substance).
 
Autocorrect is going to get me killed some day
 
@Undo Does that mean I can get an accurate dataset? :)
 
@Seth our deletion data actually is surprisingly accurate for a significant period of time
but yes, yes it does
speaking of which, @Undo mind throwing me the data?
 
I haven't had time to look at the old data yet, but it's in my plans.
Oh, one other question I forgot to ask, does smokey autoflag manual reports?
 
nope
 
7:24 PM
Ok.
 
Anyone mind if I make #81 my next project?
 
@thesecretmaster I'm not really sure that's a good idea.
We've seen old spam pop up.
 
OK. Then we should close it?
 
The pharma spam goes through cycles; they'll sometimes pull up a link that MS hasn't seen in years.
 
@Seth The technical capability is there, but manual reports don't go through the normal scanning process and only end up with one reason - "manually reported". One reason doesn't have high enough weight to get anything flagged.
 
7:25 PM
If it was spam then, it's probably spam now as well, unless it's starting to hit FPs.
 
And then we notice and remove it
 
@thesecretmaster more accurately, Helios is somewhere in development, which would throw away any work you did on it
s/accurately/pertinently/
 
Mmm. OK
 
@Seth Not yet. Bunch of factors here I still need to consider for those ones that aren't within a second or two of truth
(mostly "why?" - can't just go overwriting deletion times if our creation date is skewed too)
 
How far along is helios?
 
7:29 PM
@ArtOfCode Hold off on that until I get a chance to read it, if you could
 
@Undo aye aye
@thesecretmaster some
 
@thesecretmaster Within a few big pushes of being useful. Question is whether those pushes will happen and when
@Art Just want the raw data from Shog?
 
@Undo Hm, ok. I assumed the data Shog gave you was in the same/similar format to your data, but I guess that wasn't a very smart assumption.
 
@Undo yeah
 
@Seth It is, but if there was an issue like metasmoke's clock being off I can't just overwrite deletion times only - you'd essentially be comparing creation and deletion dates in different timezones
What kind of data do you want? Might be able to extract something meaningful in smaller numbers manually
 
7:39 PM
@thesecretmaster The smokey side of Helios works. But, that's not enough. It need some metasmoke work done too
 
What language does it use? If its something I know, then I could see what could contribute to it
 
@M.A.R. Not according to this it isn't :P
 
@Undo I haven't had time to even open the file you sent me. Maybe I should do that first :)
 
@JakeSymons Metasmoke uses ruby/rails
 
@ArtOfCode @Undo fyi in case it matters I changed my username on github. It still recognised me as a code admin earlier though.
 
7:44 PM
@doppelgreener that the spacemonaut change or a new one?
 
@ArtOfCode that's the one
 
Yeah, someone picked up on that and changed it in the files :)
 
Oh cool! Thanks, whoever that was. :D
 
That would be Art
 
I need a fancier Github name after looking at that :P
 
7:51 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Wordpress Database lost auto increment by Rangwa on wordpress.SE
 
@Mithrandir Oh hey!! Thanks @ArtOfCode :D
You humble diligent person, you.
 
@Mithrandir huh, only 27 days ago
I'd forgotten about it :)
 
Yup it was a very recent change
I just suddenly realised one of my favourite aliases was actually available, so I made it mine.
 
tpu- by Mego
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector I haven't clicked that to verify the blog link is actually a blog but I'm not going to, and if it is, that person has some hard lessons to learn about choice of domain names.
 
@doppelgreener It's exactly what it says on the tin, excuse me while I clear the history
 
@JakeSymons You brave individual. Thank you for your service.
 
@doppelgreener np, good thing I had the volume on mute :) Next time someone else can click the link
Although there's this search called peekier.com which lets you see inside the website without having to go to it, probably best to use that next time
 
@SmokeDetector The porn is still alive.
And gone.
 
8:08 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, link at end of answer: XML error parsing SOAP payload - No memory by Shola Clark on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by Tinkeringbell
 
Right that's the history cleared, probably best to use this room in incognito now :)
 
@Art is it OK if we hold off posting for another day so I get a chance to read it through?
 
@angussidney Aye - we're not going to post for a while anyway, I want to ask TL about it first and Undo wants to read it before that happens :)
 
@Henders well why don't you search other chats?
 
@Art I'm sure everyone will love it, lots of posts about Smokey/Spam get loads of upvotes, are all the posts planned out like this, I've not been around long enough
 
8:21 PM
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on cec32f5: Your tests passed on CircleCI!
 
only the big things like this get this much planning
 
@M.A.R. No chats exist beyond this. (Apart from the litter box :P )
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Are chatbots too impersonal? by Joe.Bignell on stackoverflow.com
 
holding a DMCA takedown notice, taking down Henders
 
8:21 PM
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
meh
 
@Henders how dare you. That's a chattist remark
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
Conflicting feedback on Are chatbots too impersonal?.
 
Doesn't link to any off-site things
 
8:22 PM
@SmokeDetector dang, I expected a rant
@Mithrandir not linking, but referring
 
@Mithrandir So advertising is okay, as long as they forget the link?? Now I'm confused :/
 
They do have a website, its a real company - rizeworldwide.com
 
It looks like an on-site survey.
 
They probably wanted to sound official by not linking to anything
@Tinkeringbell hello confused
 
@Mithrandir Didn't we decide surveys were spam yesterday? Or was that something with a link?
 
8:24 PM
Yes, when they link to external sites.
 
@JakeSymons no we didn't. It was ages ago
 
@M.A.R. Now I'm even more confused? :P
 
yesterday, by Mithrandir
@iBug 'cause survey requests like that are considered spam
 
@Mithrandir just admit you're wrong
I win this round.
 
@M.A.R. I'm going to hold a ACMD nwodekat then! ;)
 
8:25 PM
Like every other round.
@Mithrandir that answer agrees with us
 
On the contrary @Mithrandir, when I spoke to the folks in the Tavern they though that the survey question shouldn’t have been marked as spam
(The original one by then student)
 
> But these "take my survey" questions often ask users to go off site to collect that content. If they do, don't worry about the dictionary definition of spam; flag it and delete it.
 
They thought differently when it came to commercial surveys though
 
@Mithrandir um, flag it and delete it?
 
@M.A.R. Look at the part I bolded.
 
8:28 PM
And the next paragraph explains the closing process is too slow
 
Anyway, I'm going to turn my feedback around 'cause on a reread it's not actually a survey, that's just the title.
@SmokeDetector k
 
I mean, the second paragraph contradicts the little bit in your first one
It's like a rhino stomping on a frog.
@Mithrandir I think we should mock, humiliate, and exile you.
ONE WRONG FEEDBACK!
ANARCHY!
 
@SmokeDetector that is confusing
 
8:34 PM
@SmokeDetector He's quoting the last bit from the OP, I think
 
@SmokeDetector F
Wow, it's not my autoflag. Amazing
 
I have my reason weight a bit higher :), the people who autoflagged are not pinged automatically are they?
 
No, you have to point them.
I would, but I can't see their names
PING them, autocorrect. Ping them
 
@SmokeDetector autoflagged
 
@NisseEngström That post was automatically flagged, using flags from: doppelgreener, Floern.
 
8:36 PM
I'm sure they're meant to be pinged now...
 
Anonymous
@doppelgreener @Floern false positive autoflags
 
@doppel @Floern retract flags please
 
oh, not merged yet
 
For your ease of use
So you click and see you got a declined flag
@NisseEngström I forgot that exists
@ArtOfCode it would not be creepy at all to have a bot in your inbox telling you something when you weren't present
 
I did the honours with the comment :) I tried to follow the same format as the last few
 
8:40 PM
@JakeSymons wow, it was so official I got the impression this all meant something
 
@Mego @M.A.R. thanks, retracted
 
[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on ada414d: Your tests passed on CircleCI!
 
@M.A.R. @Mego thank you.
 
I am but a vessel
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: What does "invalid consistency" mean? by rm79 on iota.SE
naa- by WELZ
 
8:43 PM
@SmokeDetector naa nah
 
@M.A.R. Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.
 
again
 
@WELZ I think I missed your last message
 
@JakeSymons ugh, you use the default auto comment comments?
@SmokeDetector o.O
I hope that's not a command. But it sure is feedback
 
8:45 PM
@M.A.R. what comment, for the naa I did auto, but the fp one I wrote it out
 
@SmokeDetector tp
 
@doppelgreener Registered answer as true positive. If you want to blacklist the poster, use trueu or tpu.
 
I should really add that to my autocomments list somehow, I need to find a way to make it save cross-site
 
It's definitely garbage
 
@JakeSymons the naa one. I hate the default comments.
 
8:46 PM
@doppelgreener Yeah they just asked it and answered it, like asking whats 1+1
 
Because they're default!
 
@M.A.R. Yeah, but I don't know how to change them cross site, I've adapted them a bit on SO :)
 
@doppelgreener problem is, unclear if it's troll
 
@M.A.R. Well, see if they post something again, they used one of those spoiler banners on the answer, their clearly not asking a genuine question
How does that work, it says the user is unregistered?
 
@JakeSymons maybe it's sufficiently advanced incompetence
@JakeSymons how does what work?
@JakeSymons SOBotics comments?
 
8:50 PM
@M.A.R. how can an unregistered user have a name and post stuff on the site, I thought you'd have to sign up
 
6 hours ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: What does "invalid consistency" mean? by rm79 on iota.SE
Same post. that was all
 
@JakeSymons Unregisteredness is basically registeredness without the fluff, I think
I never really got that system.
 
Unregistered is a full user, but as soon as they clear cookies+cache (new browsers etc.) they lose it
It's a cookies based account
 
@WELZ ahh, you should have added some emotion to it. "Again?!?!!!111"
@WELZ right. Delicious
Not bad
 
9:06 PM
@JakeSymons - just saw a comment from you on Money.SE regard a potential spam post. Never heard of charcoal before. I've been a mod on Money.SE a few years now. Just thought I'd reach out and say hello.
 
Hi Joe
 
@JoeTaxpayer Hi, welcome
Glad you pay your taxes :)
 
Hi, Andy / Jake
 
@JoeTaxpayer so are you a celebrity that pays taxes, or a normal guy that pays taxes?
The former seems to be rare.
@JoeTaxpayer Hi. We work in the shadows. Not really
 
I took the name for my blog. JoeTaxpayer.com
And use it on line when posting on personal finance matters
 
9:14 PM
@ArtOfCode I've made a long-ish comment with some suggestions on the meta post gist. I didn't get all the way through the gist, but need to take a bit of a break. If those comments are helpful, I should be able to go the rest of the way through it later. Pinging you here due to GitHub's complete lack of notifications for gist comments.
 
Money.SE has Smoke Detector set up, and we tend to be pretty quick to respond to that.
 
@JoeTaxpayer good stuff
 
I think it was Art that set us up.
 
@JoeTaxpayer that two face jerk!
 
@Makyen your comments nearly as long as the post itself :)
 
9:15 PM
LOL. His dog is also a different breed from mine.
 
@Joe do you still have your agent?
 
@JakeSymons "more later"
 
Yes, the queue show 2. The one you commented on, and one I just deleted.
@JakeSymons - "Year 11?" on your profile. Is that 3rd year in high school in UK?
 
@JoeTaxpayer UK school system is entirely different :)
 
@JoeTaxpayer Its grade 11 but that's as much as my converter says :)
 
9:20 PM
@ArtOfCode Year 11 is the first year?
 
We have primary and secondary, as opposed to pre-K, K, elementary, middle, high
 
Sounds both less and more bureaucratic
 
@Makyen you'll have to show me how to write like that one day, all your posts across the site are so long and detailed, the time you must spend doing that, and "more later". Wow!
 
Primary is elementary
 
Either way, pretty cool. I am old, 55, retired, but I work in a HS 2 days a week in Math department.
 
9:23 PM
Secondary is both middle and high - Jake's right, Year 11 is 11th grade, technically second year in high school but as far as we're concerned there's no difference - you're at the same school from year/grade 7 through 13.
 
Got it. Our HS is 9-12 We don't use 13, that would be college.
 
Aye, "grade" 13 is just an equivalent :)
Past 13 is university
 
You changed avatars, I hope the dog is doing well!
 
@JoeTaxpayer Dog? I think you're thinking of @Undo :)
 
ooops. Probably. Looks similar to my guy. Right?
 
9:28 PM
Yeah, that's Undo
Am I right that what you call college over there is the same thing as our university? Or are they actually different things?
Cuz we do have colleges as well, but they're specialist places that just do years 12 and 13 and then pack you off to university
 
@ArtOfCode I thought it was a pre university thing
And I mean everywhere
 
In US, a university has multiple colleges under it. i.e. The schools are part of the larger university.
 
There are a couple of uses of "college" in the US... A "community college" is a place someone can earn an associates degree... the equivalent of your first two years of university. But a "college" is also part of a university. I was in the "college of communication" at the University of Texas... so, more specifically a "university" is a collection of colleges.
 
But a smaller one can be just a college.
@Catija - right.
 
That said, sometimes they use "school" instead of "college"... as in the "school of social work" instead of the "college of social work"... I haven't figured that one out yet.
 
9:33 PM
@Catija the latter sounds like what we call a "school", so we share a term there at least
I'm in the Department of Computer Science, School of Computing
 
Yes, I was in the Department of Radio-Television-Film in the College of Communication at the University of Texas at Austin... it... gets a bit complicated to say :P
 
@Catija head explosion
 
Make sure you get all of the prepositions correct ;)
 
@Catija - Austin? 6th street. Dan McCluskies restaurant. (Long gone now.)
 
@Catija DoRTFitCoCatUoT
 
9:35 PM
@JoeTaxpayer Yep. That's the place.
 
@Undo I never knew you were a snowman :)
 
@SmokeDetector K
 
@Undo are you familiar with a very annoying song from frozen?
Don't worry, I'm not going to sing it
 
9:47 PM
@ArtOfCode Unless they are universities, like my alma mater, Imperial College London.
 
@DavidPostill don't get me even more confused :P
 
@JakeSymons Several.
 
@JakeSymons aye, pretty sure all of 'em count
 
@M.A.R. 100% clear it's a troll :P
if they're not by intention a troll they're functionally indistinguishable from one
 
@Undo Do you wanna go and build a snowman?
 
9:54 PM
@ArtOfCode hey now, the ice song wasn't bad
 
@doppelgreener that indistinguishable one is annoyingly ambiguous
 
Also... This is better than the original m.youtube.com/watch?v=2p4-7gFZJy8
 
@JakeSymons ha, I remember that joke that said the best Disney singer is Pumba
 
@M.A.R. to me it's still a "boot them from the site for posting useless crap" in my experience :D
 
@Mithrandir ...weren't they all ice
 
9:57 PM
@doppelgreener well, I'm pedantically differentiating between booting, and booting and closing the door
 
I think he means the opening song... the "ice cutters' song"?
 
@SmokeDetector N
@Catija Frozen by Disney? Is Disney a mod on YouTube? Harhar
 
tpu- by doppelgreener
 
Harharhar
 
9:59 PM
@JakeSymons You're so lucky I'm on mobile
 
@SmokeDetector I see doppelganger is in ass-kicking mode
 
@Undo why?
 
@Catija that's the one
 
@JakeSymons he would have sent you some flowers
With an implemented time bomb
 
@Undo select a message, open more options, bottom row, all the way on the right
 
10:04 PM
@Mithrandir what's going on, why do I feel like I'm going to get nuked or something?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Uygun Krediler ORG by WP Webmaster on codegolf.SE (@Mego @quartata)
 
@JakeSymons because you're going to get nuked or something
Duh.
 
@JakeSymons nah, that's the third button from either direction in the mod tools
 
10:06 PM
tpu- by Jake Symons
 
Ha, funny that's what the bot chose
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector K
PPCG next hot question: Make a spam bot that chooses the two most popular tags and the longest one
 
@JakeSymons If you do get nuked, don't blame me...
...blame my friends on the other side.
 
@Mithrandir I gotta go in a min anyway, its 10 at night here :)
 
10:12 PM
@Mithrandir if he doesn't get nuked, I'll blame you
@JakeSymons pfft. 1:42 a.m.
 
Do you guys stay up all night on here?
 
Depends. I'm just midnight shift
 
...sometimes
It's a quarter after midnight here
 
@Mithrandir don't you go to school or something in the morning?
 
Nope
 
10:14 PM
@Mithrandir But your 15, homeschool?
 
Indeed.
 
@JakeSymons school comes to him
 
@Mithrandir Is that because your like super smart and ahead?
 
So dramatic
 
10:15 PM
But not if his bones can't take it
 
@Mithrandir Hey! Me too :)
 
It's because my parents don't like the school system :P
 
I'm on the other side of it now though
 
Is everyone homeschooled here except me?
 
I go to your standard grammar school :)
 
10:15 PM
@Mithrandir They're right to
You won't hate something unless you have it
 
The only thing I excel in is English, TBH
 
@Mithrandir that explains the high score on literature and scifi :)
 
Heh, yeah, I read a lot :)
 
@JakeSymons my standard grammar school? No biggie, really. I bought it for 1.3 million dollars
You're welcome
@SmokeDetector F
Maybe
A mod answered, so.
 
10:31 PM
Never did get why they're called grammar schools
there's gotta be some old reason why
 
@Mithrandir hey, TIL. Never opened that menu.
 
@ArtOfCode probably because they focused on English, our schools really old with 5 names :)
 
yeah, that'd be it
 
tpu- by WELZ
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
10:36 PM
@SmokeDetector I just realized that clicking Rude in FIRE didn't flag the post, rather I did it manually.. bug?
 
@WELZ no, by design
or rather lack of design
 
but if I click spam, it will flag... 😕
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Are all the holocaust witnesses jews or nazis? by user29418 on history.SE
 
If I get enough declined flags do I get auto (whatever punishment is) or does a mod have to manually do it?
 
10:51 PM
We can't stop anyone from flagging
Sometimes we wish we could
 
Well you can suspend
 
Overkill, usually
 
You mean suspend from Charcoal?
 
We've done it, but you have to be a pretty horrid flagger to get that treatment
@Catija No, talking about site flag bans
 
J F
@ArtOfCode Is there any way you can give me access to the Hotjar data?
 
10:57 PM
> ...,While we believe this has a high rate of accuracy and have designed the system to reflect this, flags cast using your account are your responsibility, and many invalid flags can in some cases result in your SE account being suspended. Only tick the box if you are happy with this responsibility.
hmmmmm
 
worst case
Metasmoke deploying
 
so having some declined flags on a community I'm active on shouldn't matter at all (unless it start getting out of control)
 
@JF uhhh
standby
 
@WELZ nah, you won't see it beyond a flag warning and possibly flag ban
 
@Undo What's a flag warning and flag ban?
@Undo uhhh
 
11:00 PM
 
@JF dunno, can't get into the account right now. I'll have a look when I can :)
 
J F
@ArtOfCode k
 
Well that's what I get now, (meaningless to me) what's a flag ban
 
Where you keep sending bad flags and have more than x out of n over z days
Numbers escape me, but it's a rolling window
 
@Undo is it system or human?
[tag:feature-request] New issue on GH would be nice if the new sites get auto added to my flagging preferences. (as long as I currently have all sites selected - which I do)
 
11:08 PM
@WELZ System
 
11:30 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Need help plz with database in android studio by Hardit S on stackoverflow.com
 
@WELZ That's a thing that I can probobly do.
 
11:51 PM
O.o I got an alert for my motherboard sensor reading 120°C
 
WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!!
 
CPU, GPU, disk, all other temperatures normal, fans reading at normal speed
wtf happened there
 

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