Teach me a lesson by not lying on me and it's all good. Delete the question, tell me what I did wrong, and I will learn. To say I was guilty of something I wasn't and then just ban me for 7 days with no feedback per the mod-only response, that's disrespect. I don't follow you on the "hate" words and all but whatever!! The judge already judged and I was found not guilty of plagiarism.

Period the end.... I felt you lied on me like a liar and never gave feedback when I asked me it!!

I'm human so hate away if that's what you wish!! Peace!!

I apologize to everyone including @JourneymanGeek . . . I let emotion get at me... Feel free to delete my garbage from here... I'll take some time to reflect for a bit. I apologize if I offended anyone and for some reason felt I must defend myself... I was wrong!!

@TroubleMakerChatBroom Actually, I'm torn between restoring the suspension, and just going the heck with it

Lets split the difference.

@JourneymanGeek "It's about taking time to reflect". . . Go for it!! I'll do the time...

So, the really mean, vindictive thing for me to have done is gone through every single past question and deleted anything that... well was not hugely original

that... is kinda pointless

Pull the trigger and I'll ride it out...

I didn't feel that the CM's actions were ... helpful but we've had a talk

So, rather than throwing accusations around, how about lets talk about how we can make things better

We've not had any talks really

agree

I'm listening

So, for me "plagurism" is well, copying chunks of a post

I get that now

Its necessary to attribute but not good enough

On the other hand, I don't really have the time or energy to go around and finding every case of it.

the 7 day suspension's the standard for it

I mean, with a brand new user - sure, we'd go "hey, you could fix it like that"

That was a classic case?

Yup!

Quite literally nothing personal

I've done it with MS posts though in the past

I do not have the time to be personal.

KB article references

So... now, lets talk about positive stuff!

There's nothing wrong from building off of other sources

Yes, that probably was my worst ever

I still follow

the trick is to paraphrase (which I encourage) and synthesise the stuff you know from many places into something ... more useful than the sum of the whole

I feel I do that at times with some answers already

That's what turns you from someone who's being the FGITW and just chasing rep, into someone who might be saving someone's hide from what looks like an insurmountable problem

I gotcha

Well, if I see those, nothing personal, but I upvote ;)

For a little context on my side with regard to what I read that I think made me upset was this... I took it literally as per that language.

I will get this fixed—sorry again for going overboard thinking things were personal.

roar

that's literally what everyone gets

and well - that's manyof the points I just covered

I honestly don't seriously think seven days is reasonable for a first suspension for plagiarism.

Maybe 48-72 hours, after one official mod warning.

@bwDraco its the standard period

Perhaps SE might want to reevaluate their suspension guidelines?

A week is really heavy-handed.

72 hours, I wouldn't object to.

Well, in theory, I'd rather not have to suspend people at all ;)

I am sorry, plagiarism is one of the worst things you can do, it would get you an F in school and fired from your job given the right situation.

Plagiarism is cheating, at least it was when I was in college, and it’s hard to plagiarize. You have to go a great deal of effort to do so. So there isn’t an excuse.

@Ramhound: On the Internet, where you're not composing multi-page research papers, it's a lot easier to do this by mistake. We should not assume bad faith.

@bwDraco I'm not. I'm seeing an issue, and where possible dealing with it roughly as consistantly as possible.

I am not assuming bad faith. Since we have at the very least young adults, since children can’t be part of SE, and everyone writes an answer I assume they have done some sort of writing to some level. Since I am pretty sure, plagiarism exists, and isn’t allowed in most regions I still come to the conclusion there’s not an excuse for it.

Also, lets not forget...

Its something we kinda need to deal with on an ongoing basis, and a pretty strong message its unacceptable is... well a good idea?

72 hours is a pretty strong message.

And in many cases, a sternly-worded warning will ward off any further offenses.

eh, for most part 7 days is the "minimum" standard value

Its how we've been doing it for years (cough so nothing personal)

the only regular thing we do shorter suspensions for is self destruction of posts

Meta post time?

But then again, I'm not a mod so I'm not in a position to question this.

I go back to “in the real world” explosion from college, failing a class (without it being eligible for grade forgiveness), being let go from your job are all possible outcomes. So I think I strong message is warranted. What can I say, I spent to many hours writing good papers, to not hate plagiarism.

@bwDraco well, how long a suspension is is arbitrary

Is 6 days going to have a bigger effect than 7?

Or we can go "Ok, this is serious and lets start at X (where X has always been 7)

and escalate to 30 and 365 - though if we're having repeated issues, we might choose to do differently

If it gets to 365, I'd escalate to a CM to evaluate more drastic actions, including the possibility of a network-wide suspension.

well, we're trusted up to 365

but it needs a specially bad case for that

But we always start at 7 ;)

Hmm, have I stumbled on a bug?

I reviewed a proposed edit, and rejected because it only changed "I am having" to "I have" in the title, along with a misleading comment, "formatting"

When I look at the proposed edit review now, it shows me my custom rejection, but a different edit

There is another edit which has the comment "Formatting" but it did other things and didn't mention the title

I would have also included "fix the body of the post too" in my reject reason, but the field is too short

I want to be clear about something since I read Ramhound's remarks and such . . . In terms of the the points from that post that were bolded I did fully attribute and I didn't do this **without permission**—it's publicly accessible information—I shared it and source referenced.

Furthermore, I did reach out to CMs and remonstrated accordingly, and they lifted the suspension per their own wording in an email such as......

"We agree that a suspension in this case is a bit unwarranted. You did provide attribution for where the content came from. Despite the fact that it doesn't appear that How-To Geek actually licenses their content for anything other than personal use, moderators are not responsible for conducting copyright investigations and should not delete content in such cases - (cont...)

"so long as a post looks properly attributed, it should be fine. How-To Geek is responsible for sending a DMCA complaint if they don't want the content to be on our site"

I started this chat session after I got back which was before the initial 7 day suspension so I was out for I believe 4 days before I heard back and this is after reaching out to the CM as soon as I noticed and gave a few hours for mods to respond to my private message and didn't get a response.

I admitted I was wrong for taking it personal after getting agreement from a CM and other that by definition of what my profile stated I was suspended for "plagiarism: The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." was NOT true @Ramhound so keep it in context when trying to insult someone's common sense intelligence.

The same post I referenced above in case people didn't see: i.imgur.com/y0ljDkz.png

@TroubleMakerChatBroom well, mods have different schedules and timezones

and a lot of the time, well we have a half dozen other things to juggle too

so sometimes answers may end up wating cause pesky real life

And that is totally understandable. I just wanted to be clear in terms of my personal perception and interpretation of events at the time it occurred and such per some of the remarks I mentioned and such.

I don't disagree one bit, I appreciate your follow up and clarification, and I will not do what I did do wrong again

In terms of what I was accused of and why it was lifted for those that still want to question that, I put the detail there so they see the whole picture.

There seems to be some sense that I should have known something I did not already know already and then some talk like this is basic college writing 101 common sense type scenario.... I admitted I was wrong and apologized, but I was found NOT GUILTY of plagiarism so I want to be clear about that too.

Maybe because I've been around 3 years or so, have a lot of rep, I should have known better and thus I get a more extreme punishment.... That's how some of this language I hear is being interpreted

I agree that I will take some time and reflect and learn from this though so I don't make this mistake I made.... In terms of people being here longer and they should know better mentality, to me that is not neutrality as there's no warning or anything just like I already know.... I've been here 3 years

@TroubleMakerChatBroom - I never insulted anyone's common sense inteligence

@TroubleMakerChatBroom - Well now you know, it wasn't that you were found "not guilty", your suspension was just lifted, before the date the moderator set. @JourneymanGeek communicated with the CM, I don't know the actual reason, your suspension was lifted early.

@Ramhound Exactly, you're not familiar with the detail and yet you keep commenting like you are. I quoted exactly what the CM response was to me via email above verbatim and double quoted and italicized.... that's the reason... NOT GUILTY was the case... I did not plagiarize anything. No need for you to comment back any either regarding the matter,

@TroubleMakerChatBroom Blocked

@TroubleMakerChatBroom tbh between your initial response and all this ... Erm... I don't entirely think the cm did the right thing.

Please stop gloating. I do feel the mod in question acted in line with site policy

That answer didn't meet what I consider the standards we expect

So it's more of a presidential pardon than an appeal overturning a lower court.