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3:06 AM
check this out... i'm about to make DIY.SE some money. xD
annnnnd one more...
there goes $600... totally worth it, tho!
 
3:46 AM
so it looks like we might have enough people for a blog...but there doesn't necessarily seem like there's anyone willing to be a leader...
 
how long is aarthi going to be around?
not long enough to manage it?
 
eh, really this should be someone entirely within the community.
 
how much work would it be anyways? posting material every two weeks & moderating comments?
 
the effort just runs better if someone is willing to spearhead things. If there's no post then someone to nag people to finish a draft, help organize things, arrange topics, things like that.
 
4:01 AM
idk i think we might be able to police ourselves... maybe?
i think people are willing to post their projects
it's just that projects only come about like once every 3 months and take a month to complete, heh
like i could make some video reviews of those tools i just linked
once they arrive :S
 
if there's no post for 2 weeks, who's going to step and recognize that and say "hey we're supposed to have a post each week!" and either write a post or get someone to do it?
 
well i don't know how much you can really crack the whip when it comes to home improvement lol... i don't think anybody is going to spend $500 to do a project just to get some content for the blog... content is just going to come in randomly?
we could form like a queue... where if we get 5 submissions in a week, we space them out... but not much else that can be done
 
surely people can write about old projects
old experiences
interviews can be done any time
 
seems to me that the quality of the posts would be almost entirely based on pictures/video... maybe diagrams. There isn't much room for filler.
though i suppose people could maybe go to a trade show and post pictures
if we were really desperate
World of Concrete (annual show in Vegas) or something like that, for example, would be very appropriate
here's another one: kbis.com
i suppose we could come up with filler if need be, then :P
might need some ideas other than just trade shows, tho
 
4:18 AM
@RebeccaChernoff are we lacking anything else up in here aside from leadership?
 
i've never been in charge of a blog with actual traffic before :P i could do it, but i'd ask karl first tbh
 
@RebeccaChernoff @Michael I'll bring it up at PUT tomorrow afternoon.
 
Jay seems to do quite a bit of work too
i'm just sorta leery of how much work it might be :S
 
@Michael he's been focused on his yurt of late.
 
pfft
sounds like great blog material
that's the only reason i'd recommended him :P he's out there doing stuff, not just sitting on his butt :P
 
4:31 AM
yes. a series of blog posts, too, much like what YHL does
numbers (AND NUMBERS) of us could "review" Google Sketchup
 
hmm?
like make blog posts about sketchup?
 
i've never used it before :S
 
tho once upon a time, i was quite proficient in Alias/Autodesk Maya :P
 
4:34 AM
@Michael ....that sounds impressive.
 
probably best to call in an expert on sketchup to review it btw
maybe someone from SO or something like that
but yeah, that could work as far as content goes
 
that would be cool BUT
YHL is gonna review it tomorrow
so we'll see what their entry looks like
 
lol
 
also: if we could interview them, that would be amazing.
HUGE bump to our site.
 
shirlock is pretty personable... not sure who else might be good at it... wouldn't really recommend myself for interviews xD
where do the YHL people live anyways?
california?
 
4:39 AM
@Michael Richmond
 
VA?
 
@Michael i'd do it, especially if it were the YHL couple
@Michael iirc, yes
 
house? condo?
HOA?
 
house
> t’s our second home, and it’s located in Richmond, Virginia.
 
maybe we could do some sorta joint project
 
4:41 AM
guh i love them. they're amazing.
@Michael with them? that would be badass.
 
like a yurt, or solar, or... whatever shirlock does lol
 
@Michael home inspection.
(sorry I'm being curt; I'm a bit distracted. D: and it's late for me. but i can't look away!)
 
two girls one cup? shouldn't watch stuff like that before you go to bed... it'll give you nightmares!
dare i ask what you "can't look away" from? :p
 
@Michael NOPE. an SE chatroom. the convo is amazing.
 
lol
which room?
 
4:45 AM
it's a private room, i'm sorry :(
 
oh xD
 
but the conversation is just...it was fiery! then it calmed down, and now it's like really making progress. so, you know, lots of dramatic moments.
 
sounds like Steve Ballmer stopped by
 
lol metaphorically, yes.
 
did the meeting happen to revolve around progress on the blog/promotion of the site? :P
or conversation, i should say
 
4:50 AM
nope, but we'll talk about that fa sho tomorrow
 
well, in 3-5 business days, hopefully you will have some content for the blog (reviews of my new babies!) :P
so that should help a tiny bit
you should bug Jay for pics of his yurt
 
heh nice. we'll probably have you type those and then save 'em away for Future Use
@Michael he's so bad about pictures, iirc. but i'll (or Karl) will poke at him a bit.
 
product reviews not good enough to launch the blog with? :P
 
@Michael lololol
they're perfectly fine! i'd just rather have our FIRST post be a project or something. idk, that's for the comm to decide; i just facilitate.
 
comm?
oh
community
 
4:55 AM
Comm -- er, sorry, Community.
yes!
 
idk starting off with something huge just seems sorta commercial xD
 
@Michael fair enough, but a tool review feels commercial in a different way, imho
 
some small posts by a few people could also sorta test the waters to see who's best, too
 
@Michael an intro meet-your-bloggers kinda post? like the main blog's Welcome Valued Associate posts?
 
well unfortunately i dont have a lot of brand to sorta compare... it would be nice to do stuff that's Cosumer Reports-ish
like Tom's Hardware
a lot of brands* missed the S
 
5:01 AM
oh?
 
there is a HUGE vacuum out there
there's hardly any legit testing done
almost all testing is done by people who are extremely biased
 
hmm. that would be cool, but OPC does tests, too. as does HCI
 
they'll put the wrong saw blades into the one that's up against their favorite brand, etc.
OPC? HCI? ;o
how much do you guys get for referring people to amazon that go on to buy things? 1%?
 
@Michael Not sure. @RebeccaChernoff might know.
 
i mean... the upfront cost is pretty substantial to do stuff like that, but it would pay itself off, i'd think
is what i'm getting at
people do it on youtube
they'll put these dumb videos together and then put a link to amazon in the video description
 
5:06 AM
huh?
 
@rchern what do we make on the amazon onebox?
 
the chat program automatically parses links to amazon products and adds in a referral code in the URL so StackExchanges gets money
- s
sorta like how i entered in...
earlier
 
yes, we do that across the network
 
and i earned SE some money b/c i bought it :P
 
I don't know how much we get from it.
 
5:08 AM
i see
well maybe someone could run some numbers to see whether or not tool reviews could pay for themselves
anyways, it was just an idea
 
@RebeccaChernoff alas i thought you might, as you know all.
 
hehe
probably a question for Michael. shrugs (Not @Michael)
 
@RebeccaChernoff wait, which michael? there's like 7
 
@AarthiDevanathanΨ how many would know financial-y stuff about SE?
 
@RebeccaChernoff ding ding we have a winner
i'm good now. clearly i am sleep deprived
 
5:14 AM
All I know is it isn't a public number. (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff ah ha. gotcha. So, the answer is, "Yes."
"How much money do we make from Oneboxing amazon links?" "Yes."
okay bedtime. /waves
 
just trying to say that i really don't understand the hatred for tool reviews :P it's very rare to find a good one, so there's definitely a market for it... and not only could it bring in visitors and money, but it helps people... some might complain that it costs too much (might cost $1.2k to do a comparison between 15 cordless drills)... but the referral revenue might be $5k in the next 2-3 years
 
@Michael i assure you, it's not a hatred! i'm all for tool reviews. i'm just skeptical of those being our Entry Number 001, that's all. but if the community wants that, then it's fine and I won't say anything more. I facilitate the community, I don't control it.
 
though i'd agree that it would be better to get Jay to write up something about his yurt... nobody can really force him to do that :P so we sorta have to settle for what we can get
 
@Michael a-yup. and i am really tired, so: night! :D
 
5:18 AM
and i'd be fired if i posted pics from job sites xD
 
g'night
 
the thing to think about is is something close to a post per week doable
 
@Michael well, we wouldn't want that. :D
 
if the content comes from the users, and the number of users doubles... then definitely
but definitely not from one person or even 2 or 3... unless you don't mind settling for really bad content :P nobody wants to read a blog about mundane stuff, though... like how to replace light bulbs or patch a hole... has to be substantial
like how to install a new light fixture... or how to install a Solatube (a fancy skylight)
you'd need like 30 active contributors to get a post like that once a week
 
5:24 AM
people are only going to write once every 6 months?
 
ok ok ok... maybe 10 :P
like i said, though, it depends on what kind of quality you want
 
of course we want quality
but I think you might be narrowing the scope too much. there's lots that can be on a diy blog
 
shrug might be something that is best figured out by trial and error... find 5 active contributors and see how it goes
i'm booked for the next 4 days or so, but maybe i can come up with something by next week
probably not the Digg-topping post that Aarthi wants, though :S
 
 
1 hour later…
7:02 AM
@Michael Just popping in -- I'm on my on-call week, so I'm randomly having to get up at 2am and watch something that's broken or breaking. We'll discuss this tomorrow and I'll have another Meta post to fulfill the "Scheduling posts" -- I have a feeling that MOST posts will be in the "project updates" category, I really want to find someone who is willing to go out and interview tradesmen to answer questions like "what constitutes a quality job", and I am certain that we will cover tool reviews.
I would also like to cover some stuff that's tangential like how to work with supply houses that normally only deal with contractors and otherwise find good retailers when dealing with DIY projects. (Home Despot or bLowe's isn't always your best source for stuff) and things like that.
And possibly even some interior design aspects ... things you can DIY, things you can't DIY. I've got a lot of ideas. We just need to settle on a schedule of some sort.
OK, done with work. Back to bed.
 
 
6 hours later…
1:06 PM
ahhh, morning diy.
 
1:19 PM
Good morning, just looking in before heading off to work.
 
@NiallC well we're always happy to see you :)
 
 
1 hour later…
2:52 PM
Don't forget: Project Update Thursday is today at 3pm EST!
 
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
 
@AarthiDevanathanΨ I've been known to sneak in when no one's looking
 
@BMitch i've noticed.
@TheEvilGreebo also: noooooo don't run awaaaaaay
 
Too late, I'm not here. (Conference call hell day)
 
And I'm trying to avoid bringing down large computer networks with stupid mistakes. No dumb mistakes in over 24 hours, I'm on a streak.
 
3:01 PM
@TheEvilGreebo D: awful!
@BMitch get it done! :D
ra ra ra
 
@AarthiDevanathanΨ did anyone else just read that as "get 'er done!"? :D
 
4:07 PM
@BMitch Heh. That'd be a streak for me too.
I really need to take some video of what it's like using a regular screw gun and what it's like using an impact driver like the one in the giveaway.
The number one thing that keeps DIY projects from succeeding (or that causes people to complain about them) is not having the right tools, or even knowing what the right tools are for.
 
@KarlKatzke omg yes please
 
*are for the job
I don't have a video camera with me here at my place unfortunately, so I'm going to have to wait to do it until I can use my GF's iPhone.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:11 PM
snicker
Sent that to my girlfriend. :D
 
5:23 PM
hah
 
She's ... directionally challenged at best.
 
Oh, my wife is gonna kill me when I post that on FB
 
5:35 PM
hee
 
5:53 PM
Hey, @AarthiDevanathan, how is the giveaway doing traffic-wise?
 
@KarlKatzke i...have no idea.
sorry i got something taking my attention -- i'll be riiiiight with you!
 
sure. :)
 
6:17 PM
@KarlKatzke okay, that thing is paused for now.
uhhh okay analytics
 
runs in shouting *BLOG, BLOG, BLOG, BLOG, BLOG and runs back out* q:
I think y'all are | | this close (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff Oh? I thought the only real thing we had to do was to set a posting schedule and figure out specifically how we wanted to do content that other people are posting on their own blogs over here... those were the last two questions in my mind. Do you agree, or is there something else?
 
well I didn't say you were || close q:
 
:( What else is left to do besides the two items? Do we need more contributors to sign up in advance? I think we'll get more attention after the blog goes live.
 
Exactly what scale does || vs | | translate to... are we talking micrometers or kilometers or somewhere in between?
 
6:30 PM
@RebeccaChernoff oh my god, you just seriously did that
total visits ^^
new visits ^^
 
So despite the giveaway, we're below where we normally are?
 
hmm, looks like it's within the noise, any status based on referrer?
 
@KarlKatzke posting schedule is pretty simple really. hint: pick at least one post per week. (:
I discussed the blog a bit in here last night if you read back to that.
 
Honestly, I'm not sure how the others feel about this, but all this pressure to have a blog be constantly maintained and updated makes me less interested. If SE doesn't want to provide a location that I can blog when I want to, without threatening to shut it down in the future for low volume, that just makes me want to setup a blog on my own site.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Aha, reading now.
 
6:35 PM
Sorry for the rant, but if I'm going to volunteer my effort to create some useful content, I want to do that without pressure from a cheerleading squad.
 
@BMitch I haven't thought about it much but yeah, if it's BLOG OR ELSE... I'll take or else...
 
Nothing personal @AarthiDevanathan or @RebeccaChernoff, I realize you're just following the rules that have been passed down from above
 
I think you're misunderstanding.
Nothing about this process is forced.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Re: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2050633#2050633 -- I think we got a lot of commitment to do exactly that in the last thread about who will contribute. What I also was going to do was to ask people who already blog (such as @Jay
 
what rules from above?
 
6:37 PM
oops
Bazuzi) if we could post the first couple paragraphs of one of their blog posts and then link to the remainder -- fresh content for the site, fresh links for him.
 
Rules that say if we don't get enough interest then it won't be created
 
@BMitch no worries, dude; i'm just facilitating a community desire. the blog is a feature, not a crux of my Master Site Promotion Plan
 
@BMitch I see it as the same philosophy as the site going through a private beta. The same empty restaurant syndrome. When we create a blog, we don't want to see people post to it for a month and then interest dies down and nobody posts to it again. That's what we want to prevent.
 
@RebeccaChernoff you mean the way that two out of the three moderators for DIY have gone MIA? ;)
 
Not creating it due to a lack of interest is different than threatening to take it away if it isn't used.
 
6:40 PM
I realize that's the concern, but from a user perspective, if someone is putting up so many road blocks before they'll provide a site to use, then I'm incline to host my own blog on my own site, and if no one ever visits, it's no big deal.
@KarlKatzke, the good news is that a handful of us are about to hit 10k here real soon
 
@TheEvilGreebo do you think that's what I'm doing?
 
@BMitch Yeah, you are. ;) I'm not. ;)
 
@BMitch I think this process is actually pretty road-block free. It boils down to: convince me there's interest and people to contribute.
 
@RebeccaChernoff The process to create my own blog is easier, download, install, done, it would have been up a month ago if I though there would be so much begging required by the community to get it created.
 
@RebeccaChernoff OK, there's interest, there's five or six people who are willing to contribute and more may show up after we get the ball rolling.
 
6:44 PM
@RebeccaChernoff No I was making a point to bmitch
 
@BMitch Part of the time span is my fault; since I've been driving it I've been waiting to make sure we had everyone's attention that we wanted before hitting the next step.
 
@BMitch If a site indicates interest and contributors in a day, they'll have it set up in a day.
 
oh hey its project thursday now isn't it!
 
Look at that evil guy, always trying to change the topic...
 
But like I say, @RebeccaChernoff, I'm not ranting against you, I just think the prereqs are too significant, did we have to beg for a chat room?
 
6:45 PM
Ok, so let's nail this down right now.
 
Chat has topics? ;)
 
Who is going to be a blog admin?
 
I thought chat = random stream of consciousness
 
Who's going to be in charge of adding users and such?
That's pretty much the only outstanding thing I need to create it.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Myself, Steve Jackson, Niall C, and Tester101 have all committed to being on the editorial staff.
 
6:46 PM
Have the existing mods declined to do this?
 
@TheEvilGreebo and @BMitch have in addition volunteereed content.
Oh, and @JayBazuzi as well.
@BMitch Yes, they have declined to moderate the blog.
 
I'm also willing to assist with backend admin types for work, but my English has too many issues for me to be considered an editor
 
I'm not asking about editors. I'm asking about one or two admins. Someone new wants to contribute an article, an admin has to create a blog account for them.
 
@RebeccaChernoff by "editorial staff", I meant administrators.
 
@TheEvilGreebo almost almost
 
6:48 PM
@KarlKatzke Ah. Well someone can proofread and be editorial without having admin privs. Sorry. (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff I come from the print journalism world, where the editorial staff are the people who make it all happen. :-P
 
I have lots of projects going on and I'd be happy to write about them from time to time but no editorial duties thanks ;)
 
I'm just going to add @Karl for now and y'all can duke it out with him. (:
I shall have it created before the chat event starts. (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff Awesome. Thanks.
 
Wait, was the last step getting someone to go off on an angry tirade and threaten to start his own blog? What other things can we get if I go crazy?
 
6:52 PM
@BMitch A lemon meringue pie in the face?
 
@BMitch If you get a nice Bosch impact driver, can I have it?
@BMitch also, can we rename you "Squeaky Wheel" ?
 
@KarlKatzke no way, I'm keeping the impact driver :)
@KarlKatzke chicks dig a dude that squeaks :)
 
hahahahahahahahaha
That's even funnier because of this youtube video I saw, but now can't find...
Ah well. Drats.
anyway, is it project update time yet?
 
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