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BESW
2:18 AM
itch.io Halloween Sale 2021 by pidj. 20% off for Graffiti Speak, The Sun's Ransom
 
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Q: How to improve the variety of narration in my text-only game of D&D?

AncientSwordRageI, and one of other players in my play-by-chat group, have expressed a desire to improve the narration of our character's actions. When they brought this up, I noticed the sort of unvaried descriptions I'd been giving as well: Fin hurries to keep up. Fin walks into the room slowly, looks aroun...

system-agnostic narration play-by-chat
 
BESW
BESW
Sun's Ransom is great, y'all.
Meguey Baker wrote a twitter thread on "'blue collar' stories about familiar social situations in fantastical sci-fi and fantasy setting"
Something Is Wrong With This House by Anna Landin. a nightmare tug of war
Kick Garlic! by Charu Patel. You are a Vampire! Tell the story of your vampire’s triumphs and tragedies as you walk around your neighborhood and kick a rock! Continue until your vampire meets their end or you choose to end their story.
Miss Bernburg's Finishing School for Young Ladies by CuriousCat. A Firebrands game where you create messy entanglements between young ladies at a finishing school in the 1950s.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@BESW LOL
 
BESW
BESW
"A trio of witches save the world in tender healing RPG The Mending Circle" article by Chase Carter for Dicebreaker. Thaumaturgical therapy.
"Journaling games live in hushed places" by kay on Medium. It’s about the time you take and the time you don’t.
 
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2:44 AM
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Q: Does the Blind Fighting fighting style mitigate the disadvantage on attacks caused by Sunlight Sensitivity?

Zweiclops1206I'm making a Duergar fighter character and am wondering if the Blind Fighting fighting style could cancel out Sunlight Sensitivity. The Duergar's Sunlight Sensitivity states You have disadvantage on Attack rolls and on Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on sight when you, the target of your at...

dnd-5e fighter vision-and-light blind
 
 
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Bardic Wizard
Bardic Wizard
5:42 AM
@BESW wow, thanks! They were just simple samples I was playing around with in my abundant free time, and I just shared them since it was the only thing I had done today
I like playing around with lace. People don’t get it, but there’s just something about holes in fabric that’s magical and wonderful and makes a pretty picture
 
BESW
BESW
5:56 AM
@BardicWizard Totally! It's like you're getting away with something, breaking a rule to make an art.
 
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Q: How do I handle players who make secret plans?

Matthew WoodHow should I handle players who make secret plans? I am a first-time DM running Curse of Strahd for 6 new players. All of us are good friends. This week during our session, my players made a secret plan together they wanted to do that involved forging a copy of a journal and handing it to a major...

dnd-5e problem-players
 
 
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Q: Can a multiclassed wizard add spells of a higher level then they can transcribe to their book upon level up?

ZarHakkarMy friend has a multi-classed wizard 5, sorcerer 4. They recently took their 5th level in wizard, and took Steel Wind Strike (5th level) as one of the two spells they can add to their spellbook upon level up. The multiclassing rules for spellcasting state that you determine the spells that you ca...

dnd-5e spellcasting multi-classing
 
 
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8:51 AM
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Q: First time DM; Curse of Strahd; Did I just rush my PCs? How to do better?

Poken1151So running my first campaign (technically second, but the first never finished as the group dispersed). I'm running four PCs through Curse of Strahd, currently at Death House. Things were going pretty well, following a modified guide (Fleshing out Curse of Strahd) and hit a bump where basically t...

dnd-5e gm-techniques published-adventures new-gm curse-of-strahd
 
 
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AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
10:15 AM
I just posted a meta.stackexchange.com question about not being able to log in on mobile chrome, and frustratingly I got 3-4 rapid fire comments from somebody who clearly hadn't read any of my question ... not even the title. The thing is, they deleted their comments too quickly to flag, which seemed like the only way to feedback to somewhere 'Please read the question before commenting'
Is there anything I could have done differently?
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
11:10 AM
@AncientSwordRage If they immediately deleted their comments, it seems like they realized they should have read better first on their own. Or at least that the comment were invalid because they'd missed something
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
^ Sometimes one double-checks, and immediately sees their mistake and consequently deletes. It happens occasionally.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Someone_Evil well they deleted one comment that I had replied to saying I had included the information in my question, and then posted another comment where I honestly had the same reply...
 
Someone_Evil
Someone_Evil
Pre-coffee commenting, maybe?
I totally get that it's frustrating, but I don't think there's anything to do about it and then the best course of action is probably to try to not worry about it
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Akixkisu oh true, and when I've done that/seen that myself, I've seen an acknowledgement or something. But each comment was posted after I had said "that's in the question already", and clearly hadn't gone to check the question text
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@AncientSwordRage There is nothing that you aren't already doing that helps with that situation.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
11:19 AM
@Someone_Evil it looked like the sort of behaviour that would frustrate any other users... Normally I'd assume they got the lesson of reading questions first, but they just kept posting more comments 🤷🏻‍♂️
@Akixkisu that's good to know
I guess I wanted a dialogue with them explain where they seemed to be going wrong, but the rapid comment, get response, delete original comment, reword comment, get response, delete... Felt like I didn't leave any constructive impression on them 😕
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
11:35 AM
@AncientSwordRage You invested effort and acted appropriately, which is exemplary. Sowing seeds is what matters.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Akixkisu I hope those seeds take root, it didn't feel that way unfortunately though
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@BESW That post reminds me of a question, either here or at GiTP, about making barding for a whale. ... checking ... aha, there it is
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
11:55 AM
Hello everyone! I cast Summon Matematicians for helping me in understanding this answer
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Eddymage You called?
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I believe that it is not 100% correct, mainly the (to me obscure) part about the off-turn damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I'll give it a read.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov Was hoping to find some good collegues here! :-D
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
hnggggggggg I already cringed a bit
"we will assume that 𝑝 is greater than 0 and less than 1" yes, you established that when you called p a probability.
However, for a general exposition for a non-technical audience, its probably not a bad mention.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
11:58 AM
Maybe it is my fault in not being a native english speaker, but I found quite difficult the explanation..
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Ah, I see, it's assuming both outcomes are possible.
Fair point.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov Yes, maybe the main intent is to say that p can't be one for automatic success
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Eddymage Yeah, I see that now lol
It's still early.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
pas de probléme!
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Off the top of your head, can you tell me why the second series starts indexed at 0
NVM I got it.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
12:04 PM
Per my understanding, they are considering this sequence: damage - ST - damage - ST -damage -ST - ....
then for n=0 means that you take into account the first damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
1st round of the d6 phase is n=0, where we take 1d6 damage with probability p.
That is correct.
In the second series I think the n exponent is on the wrong term.
wait no
nvm.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I think that the computations are correct (they are actually rediscovering the geometric distribution, imho)
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
okay, got it straight, the second series is correct.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
yep
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Just a little unintuititve in presentation/explanation.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
12:12 PM
I feel the same
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I had to write out several terms and talk myself through it out loud lol
It's the damage at start, save at end the muddies it a bit.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
yes, but I think that actually it does not matter a lot, if you wanna count the average damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Are you clear on the reindexing step?
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
you mean on m=n+1?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
yeah
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
12:15 PM
yeah
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
ugh gotta look up a series.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I got 'til here, and some weeks ago I understood also the reasoning that follows: what puzzles me is the off-turn damage computation, that doesn't sounds good to me
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Im not clear on the steps for solving that series, but the conclusion is right, they are just deriving the expected value of a geometric.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
exactly
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
whoa, are they saying you dont take 3d6 immediately upon ingestion?
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
12:22 PM
no, it is written somewhere after all the computation
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
okay
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I have to find where...
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
relevant question, how do they consume the potion off turn?
@Eddymage I see that part now.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov The explanation was something like other players/creature force to ingest the potion.. not irrelistic, but not so probable...
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
> If the victim drinks the potion on their turn, then the item text implies they get to make a save to reduce the damage before the start of their next turn.
This is incorrect.
The initial save does not reduce the damage.
> If you drink it, you take 3d6 poison damage, and you must succeed on a DC 13 Constitution saving throw or be poisoned.
wait......
It is correct.
You ingest the potion, you immediately make a save, then you do make a second save at the end of that turn.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
12:27 PM
yes
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
So far so good, 21/p is correct.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
you ingest the potion, take 3d6, make a ST to check if you are poisoned, do your stuff, make another ST
@ThomasMarkov yes, without taking into account the initial 3d6
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
21/p assumes you fail the first save
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
yes
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
That potion is what you might call "a fiddly bit"
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
12:30 PM
wait...
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
if you admit that you can pass the first save, it becomes (1-p)/p21
@ThomasMarkov I'm here, waiting for MatLab doing its computations!;-)
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Okay, I'm back on track, everything on "drink on your turn" is correct.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
Play by Post or Play by Chat? — Trish 2 mins ago
@Trish check the tags and the first paragraph of the question
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov I agree
 
Trish
Trish
@AncientSwordRage i aked because i saw someone else affix the tag - and the two are at times mixed up! I a heavy MUSH player, which is PBC in the most reduced style
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
12:34 PM
@Trish gotcha. Thanks for clarifying then, I can see them getting mixed up
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Trish I added the tag and confirmed with ASR in here.
 
Trish
Trish
@ThomasMarkov yes, and because people often mix them up, I asked for clarification, because I can answer for PBC
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Trish It's a good thing neither I nor TM have mixed it up in this case
Good to double check in general, better to clarify why you are double checking though
Explaining why you're checking would clear up why you're asking
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Eddymage i think something might be wrong with on turn damage.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov what do you mean?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
12:43 PM
you only get to the (3/p) stage if you fail the initial save right
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
yes
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
so assuming they fail the initial save, we have 3+(3(1-p)/p+2/p+1/p), right?
So factoring in the initial saving throw, we have the expected damage as 3+(1-p)(3(1-p)/p+2/p+1/p), right?
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I do not think so, it should be 3 + (1-p) [3/p +2/p +1/p], because if you succeed in the 1st ST all the subsequent damage is not dealt
Am I right?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Assuming initial failure, Then 3+(3(1-p)/p+2/p+1/p) should be right because you get a chance to reduce the damage on your first turn.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
ah right
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
12:50 PM
To factor in the probability of initial failure, you just multiply the whole big second term by (1-p)
So 3+(1-p)[3(1-p)/p+2/p+1/p]
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
yes, I didnt take into account the second (1-p) in front of 3/p
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
okay, so to figure out off turn, we just have to figure out how to modify that expression.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
ok, I'll let you keep on and then express my remarks on the off-turn part
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
So would it just be 3+(1-p)(3/p+2/p+1/p)?
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov you mean the off-turn damage?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
12:57 PM
yeah
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I think that this difference about off--turn and on--turn doesn't make sense, since you are counting the average damage, not the average number of turns in which you take damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
The average damage should be different depending on when you take because the saving throw structure is different.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
how so? the STs are done only on your turns, aren't they?
if someone forces you to take the potion, you have to wait for your turns to make the ST
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
If you take it off turn and fail the initial save, you are guaranteed another 3d6 on top of the first.
If you take it on turn and fail the initial save, then your next damage can be either 3d6 or 2d6
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
Mmm...
maybe I miss something, but let's see
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
1:02 PM
So I think its 3+(1-p)(3+3/p+2/p+1/p)
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
you drink on your turn:
- take 3d6
- fail the ST
- do your stuff
- try a ST for subsequent lingering damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
No
You take 3d6, fail the ST, then make a save to reduce the damage
That's on turn
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov yes corrected
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Yes
If you do it off turn then is:
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
off-turn:
- take 3d6
- fail the ST
wait for your turn, then
- take 3d6
- do your stuff
- ST for reducing
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
1:06 PM
Yes
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
so it seems that off--turn there us a 3d6 further damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
So off turn, you fail the initial ST, then you're guaranteed another 3d6 before the 3/p phase even starts.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
ok
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
So Im pretty sure it's 3+(1-p)(3+3/p+2/p+1/p)
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
I agree
I will think a little bit more about this, but it seems correct
I got confused by the explanation in the answer
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
1:08 PM
So the two formulae are:
On turn: 3+(1-p)[3(1-p)/p+2/p+1/p]
Off turn: 3+(1-p)[3+3/p+2/p+1/p]
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
Agree
I will modify my own answer as soon as possible
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Ive punched my formulas into a table, gonna compare now
Yeah, they are underestimating the off turn damage.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
Ok, lemme know
I will do my numexps this evening at home
 
Trish
Trish
@ThomasMarkov Which is good, just saw "PBC? let's see... added by not ASR? better clarify if it is PBC or PBP"
(Yes, I shamelessly used Goldmoon and Flint from Dragonlance there because I just love the old dwarf and she's the only cleric)
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
1:32 PM
Thanks for the maths talk, @ThomasMarkov!
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Eddymage Enjoyed it.
Go upvote my feature request on meta :P
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov Done! I agree with all my whole heart!
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@ThomasMarkov link me
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@AncientSwordRage Oracle should drop it in here shortly
I always feel weird about linking my meta questions and then having oracle link it again.
@AncientSwordRage its on rpg meta
 
The Oracle
The Oracle
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Q: Can we turn on MathJax in comments?

Thomas MarkovWe have MathJax turned on for posts, but not comments. We do get some math-heavy posts from time to time, which is why we have MathJax in posts, but we don't have it turned on for comments like they do over at Math.se. It would be nice to be able to include MathJax in comments for those posts wh...

discussion feature-request
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
1:46 PM
@ThomasMarkov I didn't realize it was recent enough that oracle wouldn't have gotten to it yet
@Trish when you edit, you could probably remove some bits as well, so the relevant parts don't get lost
 
Trish
Trish
@AncientSwordRage it's like a comprehensive guide to some degree... I better leave it
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
That's not what the question asks for
If you think it's relevant though, keep it
Just, if you can preface the sections to why it's relevant in the context of the question
 
Trish
Trish
I need the Expand part for the last part - just pushing the starting Flint to the main sentence in the back and starting with the subordinate sentence.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
👍🏻
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
2:33 PM
@Akixkisu I'm not following you in those comments
 
Trish
Trish
@AncientSwordRage enough expansion?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov By enabling comments' functionality to function independently from answers/questions, we increase their staying power.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I don't understand, and I feel like I so much don't understand that I don't even know what question to ask lol
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Trish when that popped up in my app notification my mind went somewhere else
I'll go look
 
Trish
Trish
@Akixkisu but comments are meant to be fleeting
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
2:42 PM
@Trish That is what I noted.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Are you saying "unreadable comments are more likely to be deleted for being unreadable, so making them readable reduces their chances of being deleted"?
 
KorvinStarmast
KorvinStarmast
@Trish as mxy reminded me on a number of occasions, the value proposition at an SE site is answers and questions. The comments are a means to an end, to make the answers and questions better. They are not a value carrier in and of themselves.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov An answer may contain MathJax, and if you want that useful tool, you have to write an answer at this point in time.
Or edit one.
Whether that is desirable or not is something any answer should consider.
 
Trish
Trish
@Akixkisu comments too can contain MathJax
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu I should write an answer if my clarifying question needs MathJax?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
2:45 PM
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Trish much better
 
Trish
Trish
wati, it isn't on here?! on 3D Printing, it was turned on for all things
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov Why would you?
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Trish While it's true that comments may be cleaned up at any time, it's equally true that not all comments get cleaned up.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu I don't know, I'm pretty confused.
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
2:48 PM
It's also false that comments don't have lasting value; see the common behavior of "related: <link>" and "possible duplicate: <link>" and "duplicate: <link>" comments, which have both value and staying power.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov I think you are considering an eventual argument that one could make, but I#m not making that argument.
@JoelHarmon Absolutely. There are comments that may stay until the heat death of .se
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Akixkisu the word you want to use here is "Hypothetically, ..."
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@JoelHarmon Right but "did you mean this [expression]?" does not have its staying power changed by presenting [expression] with mathjax.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Trish it does still feel like you could merge the points and quotes from before "Variation to victory" into the (more relevant) points afterwards, and note lose anything
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu I don't really get it, so I'll just take the L on this one.
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
2:51 PM
The nominal intent of a comment is to improve its associated post. If mathjax in comments helps the commenter improve the post, then I don't see why we'd deny the commenter that tool.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@ThomasMarkov passes TM an L
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@JoelHarmon Right, the post title could be rephrased as "Can we turn on this thing that improves readability of some comments?"
 
Trish
Trish
@AncientSwordRage The trick is basically to first get comfy with getting wordy and only then start to vary the structure. You need to have more than A does X to get away from A does X. IMHO, Reacting 201 and Starting with Speech are the more easy ways.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@AncientSwordRage I could, but it doesn't express how I feel about the situation :)
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
How I visualised that
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
2:53 PM
And I guess I'm missing some hypothetical connection between "improving readability of math-containing comments" and "someone might write an answer in comments that won't get deleted"
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
I think it is a good idea to turn it on.
@ThomasMarkov Yes, there are comments that you can't write at the moment - instead you have to write/edit an answer/question.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu There are?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
You aren't improving readibility, you are enabling a way of comment that you could make before.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
can you give me an example
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
And that improves communication, but it also results in comments that may stand on there own.
 
Trish
Trish
2:56 PM
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
You have a visualisation of math in a post written 6 months ago, now you either edit it and leave a comment that says why you edited it (or none). If you enable MathJax, you can leave your information as a comment.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu I can still leave it as a comment with MathJax off, it will just be a little more difficult to parse.
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
@Trish amazing
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov How are you conveying that visual information enabled by MathJax without it?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu Math was written without symbols for thousands of years. Part of knowing math is being able to communicate it without relying on notation.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
3:05 PM
@ThomasMarkov yes, but that doesn't have anything to do witzh visual information.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I can also unambiguously communicate it to someone who knows MathJax by just writing the raw MathJax, but that's worse still than just using words.
@Akixkisu What visual information?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov The ones that you are enabling e.g. symbols and notations.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu Those all have words.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
Yes.
Why do you want them enabled?
To convey and parse them with your visual aspect.
Can you do that right now?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Because it improves readability
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
3:11 PM
No, you want to enable that.
Yes.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
And what does that have to do with leaving comments that should not be left as comments?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
What are you talking about?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I wish I knew lol
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
All you do is create comments that you couldn't create before and those comments convey information in a way that you couldn't before. That visual way of conveying information gives the comment more staying power.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
Okay, I think I can work with that if I break it down piece by piece
> All you do is create comments that you couldn't create before
Not exactly, it doesn't enable me to convey information I could not convey before
But it does allow me to convey the same information I always could in a more readable/palatable way.
> those comments convey information in a way that you couldn't before
Yes, this is what I want
> That visual way of conveying information gives the comment more staying power.
This sentence is the source of my confusion.
That just seems like a total non sequitur. I don't understand how one might relate those two things.
But I think I get what youre saying now, "if one believes MathJax would increase the staying power of some comments, a response to the meta post should consider if that is favorable or unfavorable".
Is that on the right track?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
3:23 PM
@ThomasMarkov Yes. I don't question, intuitively, that a comment which e. g. disagrees with something and conveys that in an accessible way - which you would need to post as a competing answer - then could stay as a long-term comment in that form.
Is that good/bad?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu Why would that comment stay up with MathJax, but not stay up without it?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov You want to, visually, distribute that information, and you are severely limited in doing that because you lack the tool whereas the answer has it. If you want to compete visually, you currently have no choice other than to supply your answer.
Either comment can stay up.
The one that visually distributes information does its job better, and can compete without you having to turn it into an answer.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu If the comment is an answer it cant stay up
thems the rules
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
Which we apply to all of the thousands of comments that do that.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
yeah
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
3:36 PM
We contextualise and disagree with an answer all the time, and this gets you an easy "my job here is done, time to move on" ticket.
Like I said, I'm for it, but I think we should consider these things.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
3:59 PM
@Eddymage
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
4:20 PM
@ThomasMarkov Really interesting: when you have a good bonus (+1 <-> +6) the off-turn damage is quite higher than the on -turn
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Eddymage I might try to write up a simple answer.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
4:40 PM
@ThomasMarkov Yeah, I was planning to modfiy mine too
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
I feel like some of these could go into the elemental plane of maths
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
5:02 PM
@Eddymage My answer is up.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
5:26 PM
If you can impose disadvantage on the saves, a potion of poison on a target with +0 to CON saves deals and average of 111 damage. Huge.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
5:41 PM
@Exempt-Medic I'd appreciate your eyes on that answer
 
bobble
bobble
However, be sure to keep your eyes firmly within your head
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov Seen it: exactly as I would have written mine!
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I think the primary issue with Beast's answer is that they "simplified" some of the expressions, but you lose the connection between each term and what it represents in the situation that way.
I tried to write the expressions so that each term is clearly connected to something that happens
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
@ThomasMarkov Ugh math. Actually, I probably have free time
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov I think that the explanation was very unclear, and the math overcomplicated: the usage of the geometric distribution is the cleanest way, imho
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
5:48 PM
@Eddymage Didn't mean to scoop your research.
If this were a paper you would be a coauthor for sure.
 
Eddymage
Eddymage
@ThomasMarkov no problem at all!
@ThomasMarkov eh eh
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
Hmm the answer confuses me, but I think that's probably just a property of the item, time to read it more carefully
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Exempt-Medic I spent the first 15 minutes looking at this trying to understand how the item works.
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
@ThomasMarkov Wait I still don't get it, hmmmm
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
here we go again :P
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
5:54 PM
I'm confused why (1-p) only applies to the 3d6 round
OH, because this potion is... a mess
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Exempt-Medic Because you get to save-to-reduce before you take a single 3d6-stage roll.
You drink, and fail the first save. With probability (1-p) you move to the 3d6 stage. With probability p, you go directly to the 2d6 stage.
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
@ThomasMarkov You do not pass go, you do collect 200 damage
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
We have to account for the possibility that the 3d6 stage never even occurs.
But the 2d6 and 1d6 stages always occur (if you fail the initial saving throw)
You with me now?
 
Exempt-Medic
Exempt-Medic
Yeah, I figured it out with my "OH"
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Exempt-Medic does the "off turn" bit make sense too?
 
AncientSwordRage
AncientSwordRage
6:47 PM
@bobble that's where they belong normally
My dad knew somebody, back when he ran a pub, with a glass eye though, so you never knew what you'd come back to if you asked them to keep an eye on things...
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
7:44 PM
@ThomasMarkov Btw, I think if you want to write an answer to your meta, you want to justify the increased page load from the get-go.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
@Akixkisu I dont know anything about that.
Does it increase load even if there are no comments using jax on the page?
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
@ThomasMarkov hm, in that case you want to read through this meta.stackexchange.com/a/60020/526695
In particular the 2013 link.
@ThomasMarkov Tbf, I have no idea what exactly the performance difference is between our enabled default and further enabling it for comments.
I also think that it wouldn't be unreasonable to use a workaround, invite someone to chat and use ChatJax.
@ThomasMarkov math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1088/… if you are curious.
Not sure what cdn people use atm, you would have to find out.
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
I don't need to do anything because I have no idea what any of this means.
I would say it's all Greek to me, but I know enough Greek to be able to make better sense of it than technical reports about how the internet works.
 
Akixkisu
Akixkisu
8:03 PM
@ThomasMarkov You can use a combination of plugins that show MathJax on your end, so when you talk to people who also have that, they can see your MathJax and you can see theirs - that is the workaround.
So if you talk to the math people who do that, you can share among that group.
 
 
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doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:59 PM
Could I ask for a favor? I've got a bigoted message sitting around in my inbox and I'd like to clear it out. (Chat moderation removed it before I even knew it existed, which is great, but the notification is still there.) Could I get some messages pinging in Not A Bar, so that I can not respond to them and let them go to my inbox to fill it out?
Five or six pings like that ought to do it
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Q: Please clear chat message notifications out of my inbox if the message was deleted as rude/abusive

doppelgreenerI was pinged earlier in a chat room with an abusive message. Because I wasn't around at the time, it went right to my inbox. Chat moderation removed the message before I even knew it existed, which I'm very thankful for. But the notification about that message is still in my inbox, so I still hav...

feature-request chat global-inbox abuse
updoots on this would also be appreciated!
 
bobble
bobble
11:22 PM
@doppelgreener when looking for related posts I found conflicting opinions as to whether keeping deleted chat pings in the inbox (in general) is desired behavior, here's a 2019 post saying, in part "If you receive a comment (anywhere), an answer to your question, or a chat ping, and it is deleted before you see it, the notice is removed from your inbox."
and then also this 2013 post which thinks that it's beneficial to keep the inbox notification in general
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@bobble i figure abuse should be gone, that's why it gets nuked in chat
 
bobble
bobble
yah, I agree on that point too. But just pointing it out because if it's not desired behavior for regular chat messages it would definitely be undesired for rude/abusive ones
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
gotcha
ok, i have to head to sleep :)
goodnight y'all
 
bobble
bobble
could you accept the dupe first?
 
Thomas Markov
Thomas Markov
11:58 PM
@doppelgreener I can’t actually find not a bar
Weird.
 
bobble
bobble
Bottom. May have to screen out deleted rooms
 

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