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@ThomasMarkov Maybe the next D&D expansion will be the Unglued/Unhinged block, who knows

Bardic Wizard

2:16 PM

@MikeQ I want to see that very badly

Q: Can Dispel Magic stop a Channel Divinity?

2:41 PM

Good day all..

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The spell Dispel Magic reads: Choose one creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends. For each spell of 4th level or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell's level. On a su...

@Someone_Evil Definitely beat it

3:01 PM

@HotRPGQuestions it's frustrating that DnD uses the term 'Magical effect' but then straight away afterwards implies spells are the only magical effect

@ThomasMarkov this is my biggest beef with Warlocks, that if you (or your party) want you to be optimized there's really only one spell

@AncientSwordRage They're the most martial spellcaster in a couple ways

@Someone_Evil College of Swords Bard can keep up pretty well.

Especially a crossbow expert sharpshooter bard.

@ThomasMarkov Yeah, the martial bards are odd like that (like warlock isn't odd)

I homebrewed a ranged version of the college of swords

My point was more that Warlocks do (or can do) their spellcasting in a very martial way (there's also an aspect of talking about different layers/lenses)

3:10 PM

@Someone_Evil even so it'd be nice to see some tradeoffs

Trade-offs where?

like, yes Arcane Archer is a poor optimization case, but different fighter subclasses do specialise in different things

but no matter what build you take with Warlock, it seems EB is the go to

and it's so easy to do

Are arcane archers still bad after the errata?

@Someone_Evil not sure

@Someone_Evil arcane archers have never really been good

3:13 PM

They don't need to find magical arrows for your subclass feature to work (pre 7th level)

like if there was a weird Eldritch Sleep invocation that meant you could take the damage from EB and cast a sleep variant that effect that many HP of creatures it would be cool

but all the EB invocations are EB+

With that fixed, how do they fare against the other Fighter subclasses?

@AncientSwordRage And that's why any Warlock I play avoids EB like the plague. Warlock is weird and has ways to make things like EB or hex really strong that I feel should have just been part of the base-class instead of basically being taxes

@Medix2 yup!

@Someone_Evil I'd been using that errata (ignoring the absurd RAW) since the start and they still weren't strong :(

3:19 PM

Hmm.. I guess the base Fighter class contains too much Tough Guy (tm) for a subclass to really have the space to push them into full Archer DPR/Glass canon mode

@Medix2 having it just be a damage spell makes it feel very uncreative

If something in 5e says "When you [insert condition here] you can X" can you X any time during your turn after the condition is met or only immediately after it is met?

For some reason I'm thinking it's the latter but feeling it's the former...

I think you can wait (say move first) in general. It depends a lot on what you are doing, because they use that wording for many different things

Like can you Attack action, Action Surge, Cast a Spell, Two-Weapon Fighting bonus action in that order? Hmmmmm

I think they tend to say 'immediately' if it needs to be the next thing

3:22 PM

Yes?

Welp... The world broke for me again.

Imagine hitting somebody and running around and then using Divine Smite XD

As I said, many different things

Yeah it's probably a case-by-case mess :(

@Medix2 D&D in a nutshell

@AncientSwordRage A nutshell that fears the third dimension

3:29 PM

@KorvinStarmast - Connor had his heart surg last Wed. They tried but couldn't do cath, so had to be open heart. He's fine, coming home today.

@JohnP sounds positive

@Medix2 dimension or edition?

@AncientSwordRage Dimension, positioning cubes and lines and cones and everything in 3D kinda breaks the game more than it already is

I'm still mad that a 5-foot cube fills a 10x10 space and a 5-foot line fills a 10xN space :(

Good [time of day] everyone

@Medix2 You might be aligning things differently to me

@Someone_Evil The DMG says to use intersections for points of origin when playing on a grid (a terrible rule imo)

3:41 PM

we just need hexes

@Himitsu_no_Yami itag

@Medix2 so a 5ft cube centered on you always has you at a corner?

@AncientSwordRage Well the few effects that say centered on the caster are debated ... Does it go on a corner? Your center? The edges of your space(s)? We have Q&As debating that

@Medix2 madness/sparta

@AncientSwordRage A spirit guardians question and a Scroll of Protection question with various related links

@Someone_Evil Dang beat me to it adding the followers and hirelings tag

@Medix2 head explodes

3:56 PM

@AncientSwordRage It was a fairly routine thing, he had a septal wall defect repaired.

@Medix2 Yeah, i'm realizing Hex is kind of a bummer. I'm playing a hexblade and realizing that i'm pretty limited in my concentration options if i'm running that

that's why you get a hexblade's curse, no concentration required

@Carcer yeah, but that's just one person 1/short rest

for now at least

@JohnP ah ok

@JohnP Did you get to Nakor in your Riftwar series reading?

4:10 PM

@NautArch Many times. I don't remember his final fate, though.

His first appearance was in... Kings buccaneer I think?

@JohnP Yeah, I think so. I'm building a similar character based on him for 13th age :P

Don't forget the fine blue cape. And a horse that will get colic and die.

I just finished Conclave of Shadows and onto the next series.

@JohnP blue cape yes, but I don't think we're doing mounts.

@NautArch Was that the one with Talon of the Silver Hawk?

If so, that was the best series of the bunch imho.

@JohnP yeah, that was a great series! And then bringing back Kaspar to be the protagonist was really cool for the final book.

4:13 PM

Fair warning, it starts getting a little weird and out there for me after that, one reason I've never finished the final series.

Anyone want to spot-check my math here: rpg.stackexchange.com/a/171897/23970 (on monk's unarmored movement)?

@JohnP oh, interesting. I had thought you might have dropped out earlier. THe series' prior to Conclave was meh.

I'm used to getting downvotes on just about anything posted, but for an immediate downvote on a fairly-simple math-based question... I want to make sure I didn't make a stupid arithmetic error.

@nitsua60 The only reason I could see for the downvote was they didn't fully explain their problem maybe.

But I do not have the requisite skills to doublecheck your answer ;P

@NautArch I didn't read the companion series that took place on Kelewan, and you;re right, the previous series with Roo and whatshisname the blacksmith was just ok.

4:15 PM

@NautArch ah, you sound like my son: can't do four-function arithmetic during the summer =)

I read the Darkwar (Next group up) and the first book of the Demonwar IIRC

@JohnP Oh, I still kinda liked the Roo series :) It was the Hartraft ones.

...Hartraft?

Where the Kingdom armies teamed up briefly with the Kelewan armies

*less army and more company

I take that back I read the first 3 books of the Riftwar legacy.

4:18 PM

It was 3 unrelated stories. One was about Jimmy.

@NautArch That doesn't ring a bell, might have been in the Legends of the Riftwar or the Kelewan ones, I didn't read those sets.

The kelewan one in the beginning is really good

@nitsua60 I agree with it, and testing the eq in a spreadsheet does too

4:36 PM

@nitsua60 My process got the same answer at least

@Medix2 they're both good answers

@kviiri Up to you on the stat gen. It offers the 4d6 drop lowest or 28 point buy

+1 to both go teamwork

just got a free dice vault from work

@AncientSwordRage I debated putting "Finding the equation of this line is an exercise left to the reader" but also like I could explain how I got it...

@ThomasMarkov Doyou work at DiceVaultsRus over in the dice vault district?

4:39 PM

@ThomasMarkov where...where do you work?

@NautArch I do! I work for Doug Dimmadice, owner of the Dimmadice Dicevault factory

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Really though, its a pH probe box

but its got clips that secure the lid and foam interior ready for cutting into whatever shape i want

@ThomasMarkov I immediately get what you mean with them also being a dice vault :)

@Someone_Evil Thanks. And now the downvote's gone, so maybe it was just a mis-click. (Or someone's submitting to peer pressure. Mwah-hah-ha-ha!!!) (cc: @Medix2, thanks to you, too.)

@nitsua60 need me to go and replace it?

@NautArch Downvoters, roll out

4:42 PM

@NautArch You be you, man =)

@nitsua60 I still try to not downvote much anymore.

dice vault

Working on answering that succubus question but I'm trying to figure out how to trim this down to more relevant information and not just 3 massive paragraphs of story...

@Himitsu_no_Yami That question is tough. With the whole "we just rewrite lore" being a thing.

Q: How to make a handaxe return to my hand after being thrown?

I've got the answer and a source for it but distilling story into raw info is very tough

I'm stuck using a google cache copy of the source though cus it's blocked at work

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I'm playing D&D 5e and my character is a dwarf fighter. He has two throwable handaxes, and I thought it would be really cool if they could come back to me just after throwing them on someone (like Thor do with Mjolnir). That could be either a boomerang-ish move or some magic (enchantment). Is the...

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@Himitsu_no_Yami what's the source?

Dragon Magazine 417 (couldn't find an accessible PDF so I found the first google cached page that actually had the needed info)

Also a youtube video that helped me find that the info was there in the first place

Should I just post what I've got and have someone look at it and help distill it?

@Himitsu_no_Yami Does your work block archive.org?

archive.org/stream/DragonMagazine260_201801/…

it does

@Himitsu_no_Yami My personal response to that is a hard no. Your answer shouldn't need someone else to do the heavy lifting.

But others may differ.

Argh, so I've got the new USMCA forms for UPS and FedEx, but I can't find the 'standard' gov't one or one for USPS.

4:52 PM

I might be able to remove the first paragraph which is more about origins I suppose

hmm

@Himitsu_no_Yami the question focuses on the "why" for each change between editions. I don't think origins are important unless that's part of the 'why' difference.

@NautArch Yeah, that's what I was thinking, I'm working now on breaking up paragraphs to help readability too (which will in turn help me distill the info)

417 presents a retcon, though - it doesn't posit that succubi were demons and became devils and then became generically fiendish, it just states a history where they were always servants of Asmodeus

@Carcer No, it says how they were initially angels

They weren't always servants of asmodeus

4:56 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami well yes but that's not the bit we're interested in re: the question

the question is asking for lore that explains why succubi were demons and then were not demons

I think the biggest thing is which of the two succubus queens they follow

Lilith or Malcanthet

Demon vs Devil seems mostly based on "Nine Hells vs The Abyss" since the latter is said to corrupt them

"The longer Malcanthet remained in the Abyss, the more the evil seed at its heart corrupted her, transforming her at last into a genuine demon lord."

but the history presented in dragon 417 says that succubi were angels, who became devils when they fell alongside asmodeus, and then some of them subsequently maybe became demons because they've been corrupted by the abyss

but the questions asks what lore explains demonic succubi becoming devils, which is the opposite way around to this history

(I mean, ultimately the answer is: there is no lore that explains why succubi were demons and then became devils. Making them devils in 4e was a pure retcon.)

@Carcer That's my hunch too - for all these types of questions.

Why'd they change? Because they did.

or, my preferred statement: Because magic.

it is usually the answer, but sometimes there are justifications given in lore

Well, I found the out-of-universe answer

5:03 PM

@NautArch Ah well. If the book permits it I guess they know what they're talking about

FR likes to try and narratively justify significant mechanical changes due to edition changes, for instance

@kviiri Still up to you. Whether you want the swing of difference between players or all of us to use the point buy. But I did roll in the back room :P

(OOG explanation) In 4e, the gray line between demons and devils was more clearly defined: Demons are creatures corrupted by the Abyss that thrive on raw chaos and destruction. Devils are fallen servants of the gods that employ temptation, manipulation, and seduction in hopes of corrupting, and ultimately ruling, the universe rather than destroying it.

Because of this redefinition, some monsters were re-categorized. The most prominent among these was the succubus, which no longer fit the mold as a demon—a role it had occupied since the earliest days of D&D lore.

@Himitsu_no_Yami That's...not an answer.

@NautArch I know that's why I put it in chat and am not putting it in an answer

5:05 PM

@NautArch Well... I'm not too big on rolling stats, myself, but if it's crucial to your fun and you rolled something halfway decent I'm cool x)

@Himitsu_no_Yami to be honest the info you've got is the basis of an answer to the question - you can explain that there isn't a lore justification for the change given, the story presented by Dragon 417 is a pure retcon and the out-of-game explanation provided in the same article doesn't try to narratively justify a change between editions

@kviiri not crucial at all! I'm happy to switch to the point buy. I'm easy peasy.

Or maybe something like "There is no in-universe explanation. The change was just a result of demons and devils being more clearly defined"

sometimes the answer to a question is "there is no neat answer"

(unasked opinion: rolling for stats is the devil and so is rolling for HP)

@NautArch Maybe I should check your rolls in the back room first :D but I mean, as long as it's nothing crazy I'm 100% fine with you keeping them

if something goes wrong, we'll fix it in-flight no problemo

5:08 PM

The answer is that the D&D cosmos is loosely compiled from various real-world mythologies, but shoved into a food processor and repackaged to fit the 3x3 alignment scheme

@kviiri nothing below 10

nothing higher than 16

Sounds fair

@MikeQ I remember being somewhat surprised when I learned that Forgotten Realms has a goddess called Mielikki because she's an ancient Finnish forest god

I'm still a little confused with spells. It seems like you get access to all of them, but choose which you want to use when. But then there's the access for a sorcerer to a wizard spell, and then I'm confused.

I wasn't aware anyone'd be interested in our mythology stuff

Except Tolkien x)

@kviiri Personally, I'm interested in all mythologies

@kviiri give it some time, and you may have to add Riordan to that list

5:14 PM

@NautArch Hmm, let's see... IIRC it goes like this. For a given level, you have a given amount of spell picks for each level you can cast in. Whenever you do a full heal-up (≃ Long rest of DnD) you allocate those picks to spells

@kviiri Oh! I thought the 4 spells were your slots and that you had full access.

in a sense it's similar to preparing spells of DnD Clerics: you don't have to commit to a particular set permanently, just for a given "day"

Where does it detail how many you 'get'?

each class has a progression chart similar to DnD 5e

Okay, so let's do SOrcerer. I see that there is a "4" under !st level spell.

for level 1

So is that I can pick 4 of the possible spells?

5:17 PM

Yep!

Gotcha!

I looked at the Steward badge... I see now why the review queue feels like it is always empty

okay, this is making sense now. The non at-will spells have a chance to recharge. No recharge, no recast.

How many times you can cast each depends on the spell: At-Will means you can cast it as much as you like without running out, Daily ones... I think you actually can recharge them but I don't recall how that is determined

@kviiri It's a roll. For Lightning FOrk, it's 16+

Breath of the White is simply 1/day.

5:20 PM

oh right yes

Building a character really is the best way to figure out the system.

Breath Weapons are a bit special though! They don't have recharge between combat but they might recharge during the same combat you use them in

is this 13th age?

@AncientSwordRage yes

Are you planning on using a module or homebrewing something?

5:21 PM

@NautArch I'm thinking of running the sample adventure template from the core book – don't read it lest you be spoiled – and then playing some jazz around that afterwards

@kviiri cool

it seems pretty popular

@kviiri Ha! I didn't even realize something was in there :)

I had found a level 1-4 "one-shot" online.

Was going to use that for my group.

Homebrewing seems...hard. FIguring out how/when/what the icon relationships will provide is a lot of work.

@AncientSwordRage It seems like a good take on what DnD would look like with considerably less baggage

@kviiri I'll have to look into it

And much more focus on narrative with potentially better in-combat mechanics

5:23 PM

[grumbles about questions that should have been a google search]

Skills are also more about explaining how one of your backgrounds would be important rather than just saying "I'll use medicine!"

@Carcer until the question becomes the top google result...

@AncientSwordRage I mean, I'd still grumble about that

@AncientSwordRage I feel it's necessary to point out, though, that one of the lead designers has made some unpleasant takes regarding race and IQ: reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/bq9cw4/…

While the system seems good, I'd've preferred patronized someone else knowing this

@kviiri yeeeeesh. that's no bueno.

5:28 PM

Why does this question list the OP as having voted to closed it?

@NautArch This is one of my favorite things, yes!

@kviiri I think i'm going with Gambler, Nomad, circus performer, and "failed" wizard for backgrounds

lots of stuff to dive into with those

@NautArch I'm also probably going to try to run the game roughly in the fashion that I'll ask you (the other players) ideas on how you'd like to see the next session go, so I can prep a bit while leaving you a fair amount of freedom to decide what to do

@Medix2 you can 'agree' to a suggested duplicate as op

@AncientSwordRage And that doesn't immediately just close it? And where did the suggested vote go?

5:30 PM

And if the system feels right for that, I'll maybe skip closer and closer to "full impro"

@kviiri perfect! How are you planning on handling he skill checks? I'm kinda thinking for mine that i'll have a big board of info about the players: icon relationships and backgrounds. I'll assign a background whenI ask for a check, but the player can override with a background of their choice if they can support it.

@Medix2 it does

gtg

which may be the 'raw' :P

@AncientSwordRage But then it didn't automatically close... hmmm an enigma

@AncientSwordRage Maybe OP didn't just agree, but instead tried to close it himself?

5:35 PM

@kviiri Looks like jonathan tweet responded in that thread

@NautArch Haven't really thought about it that much, but I'm leaning towards "you decide which background to use, and justify it so I can buy it"

welp, i've officially converted our phones to softphones in the office. weird.

@Medix2 I don't know if there's some difference between the querent doing a close vote as a normal 3k or using the special pop up (there is one right?)?

How many reviews does it take for something to leave the review-queue?

Depends which it is

A review finishes if the action is taken (Delete, Close, Reopen) or if there's 3 Leave Closed/Open, or 2 Looks good (for LQ)

5:49 PM

@Someone_Evil Hmm interesting, looking through badges and stuff, wow some people are real powerhouses

Suggested edit is two approves or two rejects (excluding overrides)

I'm sure there's a post on MSE with the full details (or at least most of them)

Yeah I'm just gonna stare at some numbers for probably days... probably not get anything out of it but I like numbers

Q: How do I go about convincing my DM that their ruling is a bit harsh?

10k access doesn't include any per time stats (other than 'today' which isn't very useful) does it?

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Last session, my DM ruled that my imp cannot help me perform checks (in this instance I was trying to have my little guy help me pick through some dead guards' pockets) because he deemed that giving me advantage on most checks all the time is OP. Also, my imp has to make stealth checks every time...

dnd-5e warlock familiars problem-gm

@HotRPGQuestions pie in the face should do it.

6:02 PM

@NautArch Something you can back up with experience? :p

@Someone_Evil i can neither confirm nor deny

but everyone wins with a pie in the face

But you need to multiclass into Clown if you want to be proficient with pies, which count as exotic weapons

@MikeQ depends on the pie

I'm having a vague recollection of a similar discussion from a long time ago here...

Just a heads up: we've had a CM drop by and give some thoughts on the Protection issue on Meta. If you have the chance please read and discuss it!

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@Rubiksmoose woof, that complicates things.

6:10 PM

Indeed.

Just the mere fact that the 'easy' solution ain't easy throws a wrench.

^^^^ cc @nitsua60 @doppelgreener

@NautArch To be fair, IMO, it wasn't really a solution either so much as kicking the can down the road while we actually figure out what needs to be protected.

on the flipside, was unprotecting a solution in search of a problem?

how often do enlightened badges get calculated?

But anywho, I think it's a good thing to discuss what/how/when do we protect.

I've got 5 badges left to get. I may get 1 or 2 more, but I think that's it.

6:20 PM

@NautArch I think both blindly unprotecting and protecting are both issues.

@NautArch For sure, that was always the plan anyways.

@Rubiksmoose I don't think things were generally blindly protecting, but unprotecting is an unknown (for me)

I do get the idea of "hey, this is a problem, let's protect". But unless something is changing with regard to why it's a problem, then just let it be.

@NautArch I more meant the idea to just reprotect everything is more-or-less blindly doing it because we highly suspect that the vast majority of them don't need protection, yet were going to do it anyways.

@Rubiksmoose I think there is a difference of agreement on not needing protection.

but that's what the meta is for!

protecting "en masse" is probably a better phrasing than "blindly" in retrospect.

It'smore "returning to the status quo" then "protecting en masse"

6:24 PM

If the status quo was not that great, why would we want to return to it?

who says it wasn't that great?

That's my opinion anyways.

well, that's, like, your opinion, man. :P

but I hear ya.

@NautArch I think part of Catja's suggestion is that we should decide on that first

I think protection was overused and never revisited.

6:25 PM

I don't think I ever saw a 'problem' in the protections.

But I don't think that I ever really looked, either.

Protection is the biggest roadblock we can throw up to new users, I think. That's the biggest issue I have with overusing it.

The problem would low-key not be visible because it prevented new users from interacting on certain question

Right, and I guess I'm thinking that if the problem was there to begin with and the question hasn't changed, then the problem remains. Asking users to get some rep before interacting with those that we'd marked as problematic seems fine.

And to be fair, this isn't entirely our fault. The system is working against us by not providing any tools to use protection effectively

The only case I can think of where we saw it, the q was also closed which sorta invalidates the protection (excepting it showing as protected too to new users, which is silly)

6:27 PM

@NautArch Protection is very rarely an ineherent problem with the question.

Yeah, I don't see any reason to keep a closed question protected

@Rubiksmoose True. But I guess when the question draws bad answers, then the question remains drawing bad answers.

I'm also arguing a point that I don't necessarily fully believe. I'm not playing devil's advocate on purpose, I'd just generally prefer to follow a better process, which is returning to status quo and then figuring out how we want to proceed.

I think the built in guidance says to protect when the q draws (bad) answers too rapidly to be handled well

And yes, part it of it is also not wanting to stamp 'approved' on the original action.

There are certainly some questions that we can observe have long term quality issues with new users answering for sure. But most of the time protection is not used that way.

That's when I"ve protected (and the only time I have.)

So maybe my use of it isn't the same as others.

6:29 PM

Right and you are responsible for 0.1% of protections :P

hehe

7:16 PM

@JohnP hooray, glad to hear the good news. prayers for Connor

V2Blast

@kviiri @NautArch "We're seeing a lot of discussion about 13th Age today, and want to clarify: Jonathan Tweet no longer works on 13th Age in any capacity, and doesn't receive royalties for any 13th Age products published by Pelgrane Press. (We can't speak for other publishers.)"

@kviiri and Michael Scott Rohan

V2Blast

(though from what I've read, they parted ways before this, so it's just them reiterating things given the "recent" (last year) controversy)

@kviiri I'll go back and revise my bard for 13th age, I think I may need to think through spells and powers thing for day 1. "A bard and a sorcerer walk into a bar ...." wait "a tavern" wait "a cliche" ... help me out, @NautArch, I'm dyin' up here!

7:31 PM

@KorvinStarmast Apparently cliche is Italian for "printing plate" (apparently it's another name for the printing stereotype WOW)

Ok, a bard and a sorcerer walk onto a printing plate...

@Medix2 well shoot, and here I thought it was a French word ...

@Someone_Evil ... and that's how we got our pictures in the paper ...

@KorvinStarmast @NautArch Remember to leave your backstory open enough so we can forge a cohesive party in Session zero :3

@kviiri Writes out pages and pages of backstory but formatted like an ad-lib

@KorvinStarmast Some sort of pre-photocopier prank?

7:36 PM

That sounds fun. What does the current party lineup look like?

@NautArch One thing I already mentioned to Korvin, is that while I'm basically fluent in English I have a total lack of eloquence when trying to speak and improvise RPG content at the same time. That, coupled with the poor sound-proofing between me and my erratically sleeping roomie, means we're playing over text.

@kviiri I'm keeping my pretty loose. Is that okay? Mostly just listing my backgrounds and I'll improv the rest :p

@NautArch Definitely! As little as no backgrounding prior to session zero is good. More than zero is okay as long as it doesn't feel too cumbersome and it accommodates bonds with other players

Basically I'd like for the party to have at least a casual understanding and trust

So my background of bard hunter is no good?

Is a bard hunter someone who hunts bards?

7:40 PM

@MikeQ on the nose

@NautArch Hmm, maybe if you can tell us what made you stop bothering bards x)

@kviiri totally fine, but is there an ETA for starting? I may need to juggle some things.

I mean, it sounds like something that could actually spin quite well

@NautArch ee oo aa ööö not yet, maybe next week? I should ask our Finnish reinforcements

@kviiri oh geez. I don't know if I can juggle that quickly.

I basically need to end of my other game nights

Which is fine, I don't think I can do 2 nights a week with my primary group.

@NautArch Then we postpone :D I'm actually a bit... not stressed out, but nervous about making everything fit, so postponing works well for me too!

7:44 PM

@kviiri Is this the 13th age thing? What days/times are you thinking, assuming yu have room?

Once we finish dead in thay and switch to 13th age I'll drop down to 1/week and can add

Not quite sure how many sessions left. I'll know more after tonight.

They are approaching the end

@JohnP Yes! We have four players plus me, and I'd like to keep this at about this size, but the two Finns I have haven't really committed yet so I can holler at you if there's room :)

And I plan on going all out against them in the final fight

Let's continue in the Back Room as a provisional discussion ground until I can reach those other friends of mine

We're dangerously offtopic here

8:09 PM

@kviiri That deleted tweet reads to me as woefully misinformed or possibly mislead. Is there more context somewhere? Also, seems like a Not A Bar thread.

8:27 PM

@GcL I didn't really intend to make it a thread, and I don't really have anything to continue with, so if it's up to me it probably won't be one x)

doppelgreener

8:43 PM

@Rubiksmoose thank you! and thanks for the ping

@Rubiksmoose ding, ding!

OH

I just realized what exciting time we live in!

Look at the star board!

starred / show all 11111

OK, no-one star anything anymore!

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Yeah, fifteen is the correct amount of starred messages to have

@Rubiksmoose I like that recommendation. Come up with concrete criteria based on observation.

8:50 PM

@GcL I had tried to suggest that as well, but I think I was way too circumspect about it... The way Cat presented it was great.

But yeah, it makes a lot of sense :)

Sometimes it's either who says it or how it's said. Very difficult to disambiguate the two in many cases.

@Someone_Evil Hm, on second thought, blowing away that pattern of sand does teach a valuable lesson about letting go of obsessive pursuit of impossible perfection.

It also means we've had 1111 starred messages since

Oct 14 '19 at 6:02, by Someone_Evil

Wow, 10k starred messages! Does this mean general chat gets to see deleted content?

It'll eventually roll around to have an occurrence of DEADBEAF.

BESW

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@AncientSwordRage [mumbles about 4e]

@kviiri Yeah, though he's not associated with it anymore, it does help explain why 13th Age doesn't do much work to move away from D&D's bioessentialist racism.

9:03 PM

@BESW ::joins mumblings::

I watched a video a while back about using 4e content in 5e. It mentioned Gabe and Tycho from penny arcade and how one of them (I forget which) would never play DnD. But as soon as 4e came along they got sold, because suddenly all the rules and flavour are completely separated out and it means it plays a little like a video game.

Anyway, the creators of 5e come along to PA because they've publicised their 4e games (I think) and want to sell them in 5e. The one who only ever bought into 4e is like "ok, but why would I when I have 4e?"

BESW

[squint] I don't want PA's help.

Even a broken clock is right once a decade, I guess.

9:19 PM

@BESW that's certainly a phrase

@AncientSwordRage PA (as Acq. Inc.) also converted over to 5e (on release of, I think)

@Someone_Evil hmmm, true facts

@GcL In this case I think it was a combination of both. I've never been the best at wordsing and Cat is quite good at it.

9:39 PM

If a system has basically one edition and another edition is currently in playtest (and quite unfinished) should we just assume a question meant the non-playtest edition?

That seems reasonable, though you could ask (in comment) to double check

Oh nevermind, they replied

9:55 PM

After reading this answer I just realized that bolas aren't actually a weapon in 5e and for something so simple to not be a thing seems like a serious oversight

What would you want bolas to do?