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2:00 PM

It's how I made a spellfencer character (like a magic knight/red mage from Final Fantasy) just by using the Paladin.

2:10 PM

@NautArch You around? I was going to ask if you knew who in the chatizen D&D Beyond group has been the master tier subscriber that allowed for the content sharing. I'm fine grabbing my own master tier subscriber if it enables content sharing with that group.

Mage in the Barrel

okay back

sorry that took a lot longer than expected

JohnP

I am really tempted to answer this question with a picture of the Humongous from Labyrinth.

David Coffron

I just got back from a week long trip. Time to go through my RPG.SE backlog xD

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel I'd still be very wary about going homebrew based on what you've told us about your DM/table.

@DavidCoffron I is! I don't have it, but I think @V2Blast has it (he won it!)

Mage in the Barrel

i already finished up my character and was working on a backup

also our world is homebrew we have another player with a homebrew class and our dm plans to use homebrew monsters

goodguy5

2:25 PM

sounds great!

I really feel like a human beast master is your best bet.

Mage in the Barrel

asking them to no longer be homebrew would be really pointless especially since we start today

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel Woof. Okay. Up to you and your table, but there be monsters there. As long as everyone has fun is what's important :)

Mage in the Barrel

as I said i'm making a backup character in case i die

since I only have 8 hp

goodguy5

@MageintheBarrel oof. wizard?

Mage in the Barrel

most 1 cr enemies can 1hko me

goodguy5

2:27 PM

ko != kill

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel 1st level is absurdly dangerous

kviiri

@MageintheBarrel I disagree there. Not all homebrew is created equal.

David Coffron

@MageintheBarrel There is something that works well for this in one of the Magic the Gathering Planeshift articles

(if you wanted to go with the two characters route)

NautArch

@kviiri That's my concern. Homebrew is hard enough when you have a good handle on the rules and balance. When you don't, it can get ugly fast.

Mage in the Barrel

@DavidCoffron okay what is it?

David Coffron

2:30 PM

@MageintheBarrel You can read about the Khenra in Plane Shift; Amonkhet who are a race of people born as twins. I'v played with them before (my brother played two twins) and it was very fun

Mage in the Barrel

okay i'll give it a read

kviiri

You can have a really auteur touch to homebrewing and create content that's on par with official releases or even better, but more likely is that without quality controls you get something not very usable.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron But do note that a single character controlling two seriously upsets action economy and every other player may want a '2nd PC' as well. And that just doubled party size.

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kviiri

FWIW, I think there are games where "everyone plays n>1 characters" makes total sense

Even without heavy departures from the DnD-ish paradigm

David Coffron

2:37 PM

@NautArch Very true. For me it was a situation where I only had two players (my two brothers) and they each controlled 2 characters (my eldest brother controlling twins, and my youngest brother controlling childhood friends)

NautArch

@kviiri Sure. But from what I've seen it takes awhile to understand a single character's mechancis. Jumping in with trying to manage and learn two is a big risk.

That, and you also just halved your XP progression :)

kviiri

@NautArch Yeah. i was thinking more along the lines of something like Savage Worlds where most characters share the same (fairly large) set of actions and quite commonly get incapacitated (or practically so) by being wounded.

David Coffron

@MageintheBarrel If your GM has a problem with you controlling 2 characters, you could have two characters narrative wise, but only 1 mechanics-wise (so when you attack, you only get 1 characters worth of attacks, and when you are at half-HP one of them falls, but always succeed on death saves while their twin is alive, then when both of them fall, they have to make real death saves)

Then you have them occupy the same Medium space a la Ice Climbers

Mage in the Barrel

My current class is a magic user that controls a beast

The class focuses on upgrading it

NautArch

@kviiri Oh geez. I think you may have helped me make my savage world characters (which I never ended up playing :( ), and my recollection was that was a pretty weird ruleset. I definitely woudln't feel comfortable trying to play two just going in.

goodguy5

2:40 PM

@MageintheBarrel so... a beast master ranger? lol

(kidding, I get your gist)

Mage in the Barrel

And if it dies and can be resurrected

It’s called the eidolist

You act separately

And my dm and table members are cool with it

kviiri

@NautArch I didn't really like the game --- I didn't feel comfortable playing just one :)

(brb)

goodguy5

ah, harkening back to the ol' summoner from PF

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel do you have a link to it and the other homebrew stuff your tablemates are using?

@MageintheBarrel Any PC can be resurrected if you've got the spell :)

Mage in the Barrel

It was on dungeon master guild

David Coffron

2:45 PM

@NautArch Unless:

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Q: Is there a spell, weapon, or effect that causes permanent and irrevocable death?

Going by RAW, is there a way to (reliably) kill someone that cannot be undone? Short of outright wishing it'd never happened, I mean. I don't mean just Imprisonment, or whatever. The creature has to actually be dead, and this death has to actually be non-undoable by using something like True Res...

dnd-5e character-death

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Yes, except for edge cases :)

Technically right is the best! :D

David Coffron

@MageintheBarrel Based on the name, I imagine it is based on the Pathfinder Summoner who can conjure what's called an eidolon

Mage in the Barrel

That’s what my table member said

Also it’s a free res

No diamonds needed

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel Whoa. Personally, I think that's way unbalanced. Resurrection or True Resurrection?

David Coffron

So it's basically a particularly powerful familiar?

JohnP

2:47 PM

@Akixkisu - For your Dark Eight question, which setting? 3.5? 4? Or are you just asking in a general sense?

Mage in the Barrel

Yeah pretty much @DavidCoffron

David Coffron

@MageintheBarrel Is it one of these?

Mage in the Barrel

dmsguild.com/m/product/171530

We agreed to extend the resurrection ritual to 1 hr btw

True resurrection is when you get all your lost body parts back right?

David Coffron

@MageintheBarrel Grr. Can't download at work

@MageintheBarrel Sort of. It is the one that doesn't require the original body to work (and provides you a new one if it is unavailable). The creature can also be dead for twice as long.

You also don't get the penalty that most raise dead effects carry from True Ressurection:

> Coming back from the dead is an ordeal. The target takes a −4 penalty to all attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks. Every time the target finishes a long rest, the penalty is reduced by 1 until it disappears.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Giving that a free TR to a PC would be BONKERS (in my opinion)

Mage in the Barrel

2:56 PM

I think it basically destroys the original body and gives you a new one

David Coffron

@NautArch I think it is only available to the eidolon

Unless I misunderstood

Mage in the Barrel

Also the pc doesn’t get it only the eidolon

David Coffron

15 mins ago, by Mage in the Barrel

And if it dies and can be resurrected

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Oh! I thought the Eidolon was the PC.

David Coffron

@NautArch The eidolon is a summon afaik

Mage in the Barrel

2:57 PM

No the pc controls the eidolon. Like a free action

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Hmm, i want to download the file, but I feel bad about not paying for it. And I"m not sure it'll really matter because it's already been approved.

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron Can confirm. Played a summoner and the eidolon is the critter.

(besides one weird archetype where you merge with the eidolon)

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose You're speaking from the Pathfinder class? It looks like MageintheBarrel is playing some port from DMsGuild

Mage in the Barrel

But you have to do it verbally and or it will just follow your last order

So silence would be bas

Bad*

JohnP

Mage in the Barrel

2:59 PM

Yeah I think it’s a port

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron Oh sorry yeah (I was meaning to clarify how it worked in PF). I also misread what you wrote so... Good job me.

Akixkisu

@JohnP general timeline.

JohnP

@Akixkisu afaik then yes, unless they change it in 5e when they bring out forgotten realms (Unless that came out in the last year and I missed it). 4e afaik didn't change anything major, so PF/3.5 is your reference, and IIRC in those settings, the dark eight were pretty much static.

I realize that's a mass of vagueness, I'd have to go back and reread those sections to make sure, but I'm pretty sure the DE are still the same ones in charge.

David Coffron

@JohnP No mention of them in 5e so far (and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes has a lot about demons), so I'd presume nothing has changed.

JohnP

@DavidCoffron ta

Akixkisu

3:08 PM

@JohnP pretty sure that is also correct - the names stay the same even if the pit fiends are replaced, but for all that I know that is my head porting 2e context to 5e again and then there was a 4e thing in there in the timeline that changed things and I'm wrong.

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