@trogdor Warlocks with the Celestial patron get access to a couple of them yeah

@Carcer yeah, I'm rather glad they published a celestial-lock option :) (eladrin-the-celestials are underrated XD)

I like it thematically. I'm a good boy at heart

@Carcer XD. the notion that warlocks must be evil really gets under my skin

complete mage was most offensive in that regard

@Carcer yes, making all the warlock abilities fiend-themed even if you have $some_other_patron

Alignment description in the big class fluff: "warlocks are often chaotic or evil"

Alignment restriction: MUST BE CHAOTIC OR EVIL

@Carcer yeah

@Carcer it's worse when you get folks who can't even stomach a CG feylock

@Carcer (why is it that some folks get really prickly about removing/liberalizing alignment? do they really see it as the sole moral compass D&D adventurers have?)

I dunno

@Carcer ah ok

I mean, I'm in a camp where I'm okay with D&D's alignment system because I have a way of interpreting it that I'm happy with, but I wouldn't want to force it on anyone

@trogdor and Celestial bloodline sorcerers just get access to all cleric spells, IIRC

@Carcer yeah. I can work around alignment in most cases, but the race/class/alignment interlocking stuff in older D&D editions still gets in the way sometimes

Huh interesting

@Shalvenay agreed, it's often nonsensical and even more frequently unhelpful

@Carcer yes; about the best use I've found for it is as a foil of sorts

...if I had a warlock with a celestial patron, I'd want it to be a musteval.

Lol

okay, but a musteval sounds to me like a conditional operator in an obscure programming language

it is apparently a tiny celestial possum-man

I remember this

Heaven has spies, and they are rat-men.

XD I heard that in your voice all right XD

I know exactly how you would have said that

I imagined a slightly more dramatic version

With good use of emphasis

I could go two ways with it. There's the matter-of-fact "I am telling you a thing you should know" delivery, not quite deadpan, calm but firm. And there's the "line from a movie trailer" delivery, with hard emphasis and a long pause in the middle.

Yeah it was the second one

Because I'm a director now

Gonna make the Ratman movie

It's happening

Yep done, just don't look for it it's too well done for any of you don't bother I swear it exists bye now

XD