TRPG General Chat

12:01 AM

@BESW I just listened to “Water in Springtime” by Kali Wallace on the Clarkesworld Magazine podcast, and I had to think of your observations on geography meshing with characters in narration.

BESW

[adds to reading list]

Anaphory

Because that story is very geographical, about forests, brooks, rivers, cities, the sea, watersheds, paths, mountains, and a blight spreading, and the main characters are deeply embedded in that.

BESW

I first started thinking about this sort of thing when I saw how visual arts depict the same place depending on the artist's relationship with the landscape.

Example:

trogdor

@BESW oh

MikeQ

I don't understand. What should we be seeing with these pictures?

trogdor

12:11 AM

You need context of who painted which ones

BESW

trogdor

The top one is local, the second I believe at least, is a Spanish "explorer" or possibly colonist

If I'm not mistaken the third is an American lady who moved here about 30 or so years ago

BESW

The easiest, most obvious comparison: one of them is painted by a person who visited Micronesia but didn't live there. You can identify them because they don't know how to paint tropical plants; they paint European trees.

trogdor

The last one I can't place

MikeQ

@BESW Whoosh! I totally missed that detail.

BESW

12:14 AM

The last one is the only painting by an indigenous artist who grew up in the place they're painting.

trogdor

Well it's not just the trees

It's the people too

But the trees are definitely by far more noticeably inaccurate

BESW

The trees are the most obvious to someone unfamiliar with the actual landscape, which can't be chalked up to "style."

trogdor

@BESW ah ok I had thought the first one was too, Because of the name

@BESW true

BESW

@trogdor Judy married into the Flores family and has made Guam her cultural identity in ways that the other foreigners have not, but she's originally from Colorado (moved to Guam at age 11).

trogdor

@BESW ah ok

Thanks for the clarification

I mean ,. I definitely think a little context is important

BESW

12:18 AM

Definitely. And it's also about the colors they use, and the kinds of scenes they depict, and how they frame those scenes.

trogdor

Yeah

But knowing who did what ties the point together

BESW

Only Flores and Gibbons (first and last, the ones who lived on the islands longest and from childhood) are showcasing indigenous activities. Only Gibbons knows how the light fades in the distant mountains.

And, well. What's the purpose of the art? That's where it gets really interesting and you start to think about how landscape influences narrative.

Here's a very famous Italian painting from about 1470:

The purpose of including the landscape is to show the Duke's dominion over it.

That's one reason the Monna Lisa is unusual: her background is figurative and emotive rather than representational, in an era when landscapes in portaiture was almost always about increasing the sitter's stature by showing the lands they owned.

trogdor

Oh

Ok I thought that was normal

Literally I didn't Know that was a strange thing at the time

BESW

The second painting I shared is by Louis Claude de Freycinet. His landscapes exoticise and objectify: he's painting indigenous peoples to show their subjugation and the power of his sponsors over them, and the landscape is in service of that purpose by showing it as fertile (in ways the European audience can understand) but unforgiving (those cliffs don't exist, and couldn't based on the actual geology of the region).

Again, landscape as property.

trogdor

Yeah I was going to mention

Pretty sure they never grew wheat

Even at that time

Not even sure it would grow here all that well

BESW

12:36 AM

Charlie Gibbons, on the other hand, comes from a culture where art tends to be about story; he's most famous for painting/carving architectural elements that tell stories to the people in the buildings.

In oral and storyboard traditions the place, time, and audience are as integral to the story as the words or pictures; it's a different story if any of those elements change.

MikeQ

What about the picture that doesn't have people in it?

BESW

This painting is nostalgic, remembering a place and sharing that memory. It perfectly captures how the clouds let you see the dome of the sky, and how the sun shines unevenly off the different trees on the mountainside, but the point is to remember how the people live there.

Compare that to the painting of the dog in front of the house.

It also accurately captures light and color, and documents a living space--but there are no people, it is not about them, and it is not for them. It's not a reminder or a memory aid, it's reportative.

trogdor

Yeah

BESW

The audience is different: it is not for the people who lived in that house, it treats the house as a place rather than a home.

trogdor

Mhmm

I can,... Attest that that is actually literal

BESW

12:44 AM

Troggy and I know some of these artists personally.

trogdor

The people in that house were likely not asked for permission

BESW

And whoever bought that painting, probably didn't know anything about it except what is shown in the image.

trogdor

Yeah

BESW

And what's shown in the image? Gibbons shows people working, talking, relaxing. He shows stark undeveloped spaces in contrast with carefully developed spaces and how people navigate between them.

trogdor

I don't remember who got it but I was there when it was sold at a gallery

That artist who did the dog painting also does portraits of people, but only when asked to

BESW

12:48 AM

The painting of the dog in front of the house also shows undeveloped spaces and developed spaces, but the details are different: there's no sense that the place is cared for; the only details are details of neglect and decay.

trogdor

Again, I can confirm that that is Literally what was being looked for

I've been on trips with that artist where she literally told me she was looking for those exact kinds of details

The exact kind of neglect though,.... Seems to matter

I'm really not sure why

Buildings that you can't see because they are so covered in choking vines? Not an interesting subject

Ben

If it's just a natural decay it can show the chaos/power of nature

trogdor

That isn't it though

Hence above example

Ben

@MikeQ I just saw your dp. WHY!?

Hahaha

BESW

I'm looking for an old Flores batik of a house being overtaken by bougainvilla...

Ben

12:55 AM

Ohhh I see... you're using words, and putting them together in a sentence. Very clever.

Lol. I have no idea what half of those words are. From context - some art style and some kind of tree. Other than that... Lost on me haha

MikeQ

@Ben I think the gist is that there are clues in the art, and those clues tell you about the relationship between the artist and the subjects; "subjects" being anything from landscape, cultures, people, or lack thereof

Ben

Oh yes there always is :)

BESW

batik is an art form, like pysanky but in cloth: you put wax on white cloth in all the parts you want to keep white, then dye it a light color like yellow. Add wax to all the bits you want to keep yellow, and dye it in a darker color like red. Keep going until you've got all the colors you want, then melt the wax off.

Ben

Oh that's cool :)

BESW

Bougainvillea is a beautiful but aggressive bushy tree that's used as an ornamental but can get out of hand really easily.

There's a famous house in Inarajan that's abandoned, and a bougainvillea tree has grown into and around and through it.

Ben

12:59 AM

@BESW Oh those trees. Yes. We have those everywhere lol

BESW

And Judy Flores is one of the most famous artists on Guam, and a master at batik.

V2Blast

hello, friends

Ben

Good morning friend

V2Blast

evening for me here :P

MikeQ

6 hours ago, by MikeQ

Hello there!

V2Blast

1:03 AM

lol, I saw that one when I scrolled up to see the conversation I'd missed

Ben

@MikeQ your display picture makes me tentative about clicking on links

user15026

@BESW Wow. All of these. I just.

trogdor

@Ash how dare you just, :P

user15026

grins

trogdor

Just is the worst activity

BESW

1:08 AM

So yeah. Landscape isn't just landscape. Our epistemologies define it for us.

trogdor

It's weird, I used to not think of art that way

Rubiksmoose

@Xirema nooooooo

Shalvenay

hey there @Rubiksmoose

trogdor

I think if I didn't live here I still wouldn't

Ben

V2Blast

1:16 AM

Keep your eyes peeled in the coming Mondays for February’s Unearthed Arcana: the Artificer. Snow days are affecting the exact release date but our bards will sing it from the mountain tops as soon as it’s ready. #UnearthedArcana #DnD #Artificer

Tweeted by Wizards_DnD on February 12, 2019 at 12:56 AM

Ben

1:31 AM

So I have a qualm about one of my games. Has anyone played savage worlds?

Mark Wells

@Ben A few times.

Ben

Personally I feel like Savage Worlds has a bit of an "optimise" track... Like, anyone with abilities has one strength and one weakness (at the very least).

Our characters are all like that. For example, my character is incredibly hard to hit (gotta get a 12 on a d8, for example).

So I feel like the DM makes up npcs for us to fight that have one strength (i.e. a guy that can hit me with ease) and one weakness.

The problem is that we, the PCs, don't know which is which.

Is it just me or does that pose to be some kind of issue

?

Mark Wells

1:48 AM

As in the DM is tailoring enemies to your weaknesses, without giving you any information on how to fight back?

Ben

@MarkWells Yeah. we come up against a bunch of guys, and it's just "this is what they look like"

Sometimes we might get a check to see if we know any of them

But even then all that might reveal is a criminal record

Public knowledge sort of thing. Nothing specific

We do learn through interaction, obviously. Sometimes we might pick correctly, other times we won't be so lucky

Ben

4:12 AM

got my cards all printed :D

nitsua60

Printed mine over the weekend and brought them tonight in case standing game fell through. Traveller, though, was the game tonight. So I still haven't playtested face-to-face yet.

Shalvenay

hey there @nitsua60

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hiya

Shalvenay

how're things going? off to bed on your end?

nitsua60

Yeah--just checking in on work-stuff after getting home from game night. Traveller fun =)

Ben

4:22 AM

@nitsua60 Nice. I looked into getting them printed on card, but that's expensive. So I just printed them on scrap paper, bought a $2 deck of playing cards and am going to buy some card sleeves this afternoon

MikeQ

@Ben Is my new user avatar too heretical for you?

Ben

@MikeQ It has clearly been borne of the Chaos God Tzeench

@nitsua60 Following @BESW's suggestion :)

Ben

4:39 AM

This makes me feel better about it

Lol

kviiri

4:53 AM

Morning friends

trogdor

@Ben What in blue blazes is this?

Ben

Watch at your own peril

trogdor

I'm legitimately scared

Ben

Hahaha. That means you're smart lol

trogdor

Oh my God no

Wtf

Disney stahp

Ben

5:00 AM

I'm happier knowing this is just a Pokémon prank

Afternoon @kviiri

trogdor

If you'll excuse me I have to go dunk my brain in some acid

kviiri

You can use my vat of acid when I'm done with it

...won't be a while though

trogdor

I'll wait

Lol

Ben

Hahaha

BESW

5:22 AM

[sigh] These stories are so much more than what Disney made them. Go back to One Thousand and One Nights, collaborate with Persian and Arabaic filmmakers, make something awesome.

Ben

@BESW Yes. I wholeheartedly agree.

The original animated movies are fine, they're just magical children's adventures.

BESW

[rummages] Where's that short story...

Ben

Whereas these remakes are just remakes of something that was fine on its own.

BESW

Hah.

Catherine F. King's The Ninety-Ninth Bride is a great example of a modern re-envisioning of One Thousand and One Nights.

Or get creative and commission a script treatment from P. Djèlí Clark based on A Dead Djinn in Cairo.

trogdor

@Ben I mean, I think to a degree you are right, I liked the Disney Alladin story, though I think it had some issues

Ben

5:33 AM

@trogdor The original animated one? Well, yeah sure. But it did well as what it was intended to be - a fun family adventure.

trogdor

One problem is, not only does this seem like it's only iterating on the animated one, it seems to blithely carry on or even double down or outdo some issues just in the trailer

@Ben that is fair

Also, ignoring all else,... They already made this story

Ben

@trogdor Even that is enough, and it's the reason why I am not fond of the new Lion King or Dumbo either

trogdor

I didn't go see the new beauty and the beast,... For just that reason really

@Ben hypocritically I am a little excited for the Lion King one

But mostly for the cast

Ben

@trogdor No Jeremy Irons

@BESW Scribd doesn't have either of those :(

trogdor

I would be more excited if they weren't doing it as part of a sweeping set of remakes of animated movies they already made before

Ben

5:38 AM

@trogdor I daresay that's exactly what they're doing

trogdor

@Ben I did love him as scar but,.. besides that it's actually an exciting cast

At least I think so

kviiri

Yeah these Disney reimaginings feel like their main purpose is to essentially make the same film again using different tech, which feels a bit pointless since the original ones haven't really lost their visual appeal.

Ben

"Look what we can do"

trogdor

And part of it is how some of that cast have not had much time to shine in a spotlight yet

kviiri

I think the Beauty and the Beast was just bad because you can pull off stuff like talking candles in cartoons, nowhere near as well in almost photorealistic animation

trogdor

5:41 AM

@kviiri I think they figure they have an audience of parents who were kids for those movies and would love to bring thier children to see this stuff

kviiri

Yeah

V2Blast

The artificer is still on track to reappear in Unearthed Arcana this month. It’s going to be the last week. We’ll let you know when it’s out. Great to see so much anticipation! #DnD https://twitter.com/hyakis/status/1095003536679714823

Tweeted by JeremyECrawford on February 12, 2019 at 1:50 AM

Soon(tm)

kviiri

So in the original B&B you've got things that human cognition recognizes as having an expressive face despite it still clearly looking like a candlestick, or a clock. In the new one, you have to try hard to even notice their faces most of the time and good luck at getting any expressions.

trogdor

That being said I feel like it would still be better if they told new stories or at least took old ones that mainstream audiences haven't,... Already seen

Ben

@BESW what I would love is for the author of elf vs orc to finish off their short story haha

@trogdor They're just re-skinning the original story

trogdor

5:44 AM

@kviiri I have seen clips and pictures, it wasn't impressive on that front for sure

BESW

@Ben I mean, she kiiinda did? It's more of a prequel but still.

trogdor

@Ben that's what I mean, I would love if they were not doing that

Ben

@BESW Shall have to investigate!

dm__

I'm a robot.

trogdor

I mean, honestly if wanted to see one of the Disney versions of these stories again I would watch the first ones

dm__

5:48 AM

I hope they remake all the disney movies again, live action, with Will Smith playing every single character.

Ben

@dm__ Every account on rpg.se is a bot except you

V2Blast

@dm__ Don't put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

trogdor

@dm__ leave this place foul demon!

dm__

Will Smith is the Disney God, we should all come to appreciate his reign.

Ben

Will Smith is... Will Smith in... a Will Smith adventure…

dm__

5:50 AM

Will Smith was the only robot in iRobot.

Ben

@BESW Surprisingly, this is on Scribd. Perfik!

dm__

trogdor

My problem isn't really with Will Smith per se

But I do have a problem with Blue Smith

Blue Smith scares me

dm__

XD

I usually see Blue Smith when I get sleep paralysis.

trogdor

Oh man that would be the worst

I've only

Had that happen 2 or 3 times but that would take the cake

If he was the hallucinatory element

dm__

5:56 AM

You'd know you've finally made it to heaven.

trogdor

Decidedly not I think

BESW

@Ben Do note, it's one of her "What do you mean, horror isn't for children?" books.

(She's publishing an ACTUAL HORROR NOVEL later this year. We are terrified already.)

trogdor

Oh wow

You mean Digger wasn't it?

BESW

Nope!

Ben

@BESW Oh right. so a bit of a different tone from Elf vs Orc?

trogdor

5:58 AM

There really were some surprisingly scary concepts in Digger

BESW

This is the first time she's sat down to deliberately write a horror novel, rather than accidentally writing one and having her editor tell her to leave most of it out.

Ben

Oh ok haha

dm__

Gremlins 3 will break every box office record, mark my prophetic words.

kviiri

@dm__ Who'll play the characters who aren't single?

dm__

they've only settled on Will Smith at the moment, but I think he might play multiple characters

Ben

6:10 AM

@kviiri [chuckles sensibly]

dm__

was just contacted from the higher ups. I guess Jaden, Willow, Trey, and Jada will have also confirmed their roles.

V2Blast

6:26 AM

why do you do this to us :(

dm__

figured it would be selfish to withhold

can't do that to you guys

kviiri

7:47 AM

I kinda see the appeal of having Will Smith play single characters and Nick Cage those in a relationship

Simba and Nala tumble down the hill in the jungle and the audience notes their relationship upgrade from childhood friends to lovers through the change of actor. How convenient!

dm__

8:39 AM

kvirri gets it. he gets IT.

kviiri

I'm one question vote short of the Electorate golden badge. Time to check the legendary questions of the site to see if I've forgotten to updoot any

goodguy5

1:03 PM

@kviiri I just got that like last week

kviiri

2:10 PM

@goodguy5 I've been a bit lazy when it comes to voting questions

I guess in large part because of most of our traffic is DnD 5e questions and I really don't find that much interest in them anymore :(

goodguy5

fair enough.

don't worry, the pathfinder 2 questions will start .... "soon"™

is it this year?

or early next year?

kviiri

I think this year

goodguy5

Planned release this august

Colin Gross

@kviiri Awwwww man. My Ars Magica book comes in this week. If you get that too I'll ask all the questions in Latin. The people from the latin.se will be like, our site looks funny... but these spells do sound pretty sweet.

kviiri

@ColinGross Ars Magica interests me but I don't know much at all about it

It's a bit atypical isn't it?

Colin Gross

2:19 PM

@kviiri Well... Latin and spells and 1200-1300 fantasy Europe. That's about all I've got. The 4th edition books are available for free, but the kerning is awful. So reading is less than pleasant.

It's a d10 system of sorts and there's pools of characters for the players to work with.

Rubiksmoose

@kviiri I actually had a message pop up and remind me to vote on questions as well a few weeks ago. It is true that I often forget to do so.

kviiri

2:38 PM

@ColinGross Thanks for the tip (and the kerning-warning)

Anaphory

3:16 PM

@ColinGross And all the research. It's partially a game about going outside to get some laboratory ingredients so you can go back into your lab, lock the door behind you and do some more research over the next few months. (I haven't yet played it.)

Oh, and don't rely to much on the Latin. It's cringeworthy in places.

In particular when it tries to get around using grammar (ex Bonisagus) or give you pronounciation advice.

Rubiksmoose

Can we hold this question until details are cleared up?

nitsua60

If the phrase "east Asian" is used as an adjective is it hypheanted? E.g. "students from the east Asian countries of Japan, South Korea, China, and Thailand, [blah blah]." It looks strange hyphenated, but "east" is an adjective so shouldn't properly stand alone to modify the adjective "Asian," no?

I've voted to hold the question until the questions above can be either clarified in the post or dismissed as unnecessary. (This many querulous comments coming in so quickly indicates to me that it's not really clear what OP is getting at.) This may also be a situation where a little bit of chat may be much easier than a lot of comment back-and-forth, so I invite commenters and OP to make use of Role-playing Games Chat if they feel inclined. — nitsua60 ♦ 10 secs ago

Rubiksmoose

@nitsua60 Right on. [thumbs up]

2

Q: Is a Fractal Maze truly unsolvable?

I recently discovered the concept of fractal mazes from this question about running mazes without maps, and I'm incredibly interested, as I think it'll fit the unsettling tone I'm going for in my current campaign beautifully. However, I'm the first to admit that math is my absolute weak spot, an...

system-agnostic

Is this just a math/puzzle question? I'm not sure I see the RPG aspect here.

nitsua60

3:32 PM

Despite my love for fractal mazes (and my amazement that somebody actually liked that answer!), this does strike me as off-topic for RPG; I don't know whether puzzling or math or one of the programming sites might be a better fit? — nitsua60 ♦ 38 secs ago

Rubiksmoose

alrighty then!

nitsua60

It kinda feels like I'm just following you around mod-voting the way you direct me to today.

=)

Rubiksmoose

hahaha

kviiri

Yeah, closing it is correct as fractal mazes aren't really about RPGs nor really a common element of them

Unlike eg. dice probabilities that aren't really about RPGs either but at least are very common element

nitsua60

Are we more likely to be expert in fractal mazes than, say, the larger math community? Prolly not, I suppose.

kviiri

3:38 PM

Yep

nitsua60

(Am I? Despite my attempts, definitely not.)

Rubiksmoose

Especially when I see comments like this:

Are you asking whether any algorithm exists for solving fractal mazes, or are you asking whether there exists an algorithm for solving a fractal maze that a human being can use to solve the maze without computer assistance in a reasonable amount of time? Because those are very different questions. — Oblivious Sage 9 mins ago

nitsua60

[makes note to get back to that python script that was supposed to solve the fractal maze I use when GMing]

kviiri

Oblivious Sage forgot the "solution exists, but algorithm doesn't" option :)

Rubiksmoose

How about the "nothing exists; reality is a dream" option?

kviiri

3:45 PM

I dream of a white Christmas, a purple Easter and a yellowish-brown Midsummer. Kinda weird how abstract concepts can be coloured

kviiri

3:57 PM

All the other dates I've seen were brown

Derpy

where those other dates at least loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours?

Carcer

4:25 PM

fractal mazes!

I'm a bit confused by question of their solubility

it seems inherently obvious to me that a fractal maze could be so simple as to be soluble by someone simply walking through it.

it could also not be, but that's a question of the individual configuration of the maze, not a universal property

Anaphory

4:39 PM

Which means that, mathematically speaking, the question is of the type that would usually be answered by classification theorems, which deduce (in this case) solvability from other properties that are easier to observe.

That makes it even less an RPG question.

kviiri

@Carcer Yeah

I spent about an hour yesterday classifying a set of 19 graph problems. After I was done, I realized none of them were interesting in any way (they're all more permissive versions of a problem whose nature is already well-known)

nitsua60

5:03 PM

I spend a couple of weeks every year classifying students into the buckets A, B, C, D, and F and then spend the rest of the year making up post-hoc justifications for the classifications. Or at least that's how it seems, some years =\

TylerH

@Rubiksmoose I'm always happy to talk in chat, though for now I must head to lunch

Rubiksmoose

@TylerH no worries. Partly I just didn't want to blow up doppel's notifications lol

TylerH

I imagine mods even on smaller sites like this constantly have notifications out the wazoo

Rubiksmoose

5:20 PM

I'm sure.

nitsua60

@TylerH I'd say maybe a dozen inbox notifications a day (a lot from chat, both because I'm a regular chatter and because I use a room here to help coordinate an online game), an average of one or two "mod-inbox" notifications a day (we get notification of every meta posted, communication from SE staff (rare), mod-level fairly-private communication with users (pretty uncommon)), and a dozen flags a day, maybe?

Largely the same level as most daily-active high-rep users get, plus 10% more for taking out the garbage comments and conferring with other mods when it seems like we need to address something serious.

Rubiksmoose

6:06 PM

I think generally I wake up and have 1 or 2 notifications.

TylerH

6:30 PM

@nitsua60 Luckily my daily activity is more moderation than asking/answering so I don't get that many notifications except when commenting on Meta.SO for example

Colin Gross

7:03 PM

@TylerH Some people just find it reassuring that you can ping @doppelgreener or @nitsua60 in chat. It's like the tv show about that bar from back in the day.

doppelgreener

@ColinGross [thinks] Friends?

no wait, they weren't in a bar in that one, i'm thinking of HIMYM

Rubiksmoose

I'm not sure if being serious but I'm pretty sure it was Cheers.

Colin Gross

@doppelgreener Acceptable answers were It's Always Sunny or HIMYM.

doppelgreener

i was about to guess that first one xD

Colin Gross

@Rubiksmoose Definitely not that. That show aired before TV was invented.

Rubiksmoose

7:11 PM

I wanted to say it but I was sure I was stepping into a joke lol

@ColinGross ahhhh naturally lol

Colin Gross

@Anaphory Hey man, it's all lorum ipsum to me.

I think I'll just take small clips from some Sardinian podcasts and call it close enough sounding. Maybe play the clip as a letter from one magus to another, than narrate the meaning of the letter.

I don't think any of my players are going to sort it out, although Alexa might be really confused.

goodguy5

7:33 PM

has anyone looked at that bundle for two?

specifically The Quiet Year and Dirty Secrets

TylerH

8:02 PM

@ColinGross lol

Rubiksmoose

8:24 PM

@goodguy5 what bundle would you be talking about now?

Colin Gross

It was in the news feed items.

Rubiksmoose

ah well that explains the lack of context lol

Colin Gross

Oh man... I'm so excited to get to post questions about a game system that isn't D&D

Rubiksmoose

@ColinGross oh yeah? what system?

Colin Gross

8:39 PM

@Rubiksmoose Ars Magica 5th edition. Local gamesto... oh yeah, you're around here. Vault of Midnight ordered it for me along with some other stuff the guy at the desk found useful for the game.

Rubiksmoose

@ColinGross oh yeah! I saw you talking about that a few times. Nice! VoM is a nice store.

Colin Gross

@Rubiksmoose I haven't been to the Detroit location yet.

Rubiksmoose

@ColinGross Actually neither have I lol

I've been by it of course.

Colin Gross

I was going to see if they have space for one shots. I have a few one shots that I would rather like to ~~test on~~ run for some strangers before I subject my regular players to

Rubiksmoose

hahaha. Well the store front looked fairly small, but that doesn't mean much.

Colin Gross

8:43 PM

Plenty of venues to actually play at. Heck, could just buy a house to run a curse of strahd or spooky adventure.

goodguy5

Is the new WoD book out yet?

I remember hearing about VtM next edition.

@Rubiksmoose bundleofholding.com/presents/BundleForTwo2

V2Blast

@jhalkgames @Archmage_Derek The mystic/psion is a ways off. We’re focused on many other fun things right now, but we do look forward to returning to that class when the time is right.

Tweeted by JeremyECrawford on February 12, 2019 at 5:11 PM in reply to jhalkgames

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 thanks!

@V2Blast huh. Well I hope they give it a thorough revision. I really think it needs to be smaller and do less.

V2Blast

yeah

Mearls has done some tinkering in his Happy Fun Hour streams but it remains to be seen if that's the direction they end up continuing

Rubiksmoose

I do wonder if they shelved it because of the amount of work they expect it to take to make it viable

Xirema

8:59 PM

I'm looking at the UA version of the Mystic; apparently, they can just cast Revivify without the material components???

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