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David Coffron

3:00 PM

@MikeQ And Snow White definitely has conjure animals. She has so many

Cinderella is a warlock for sure with the Fairy Godmother as her fey patron

JohnP

Elsa - Wizard, frost variant? (Whatever that would be)

David Coffron

Mulan could be a paladin with Oath of the Crown or something. Would explain the interference of the ancestors (divine magic)

JohnP

Jasmine would probably be best suited as a rogue

David Coffron

@JohnP definitely sorcerer

JohnP

@DavidCoffron that's the word. I could not think of that.

David Coffron

3:02 PM

@JohnP Not a bard?, she has a pretty killer song in the remake :P

JohnP

@DavidCoffron A lot of them sing, they can't all be bards.

Aurora - ... Hrm...

kviiri

@DavidCoffron No tabard, so has no place to put her sword.

JohnP

All she does is sleep the whole movie. Is there a sloth class?

David Coffron

@JohnP True. I imagine Rapunzel's hair counts as a weird magic item

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 in this case, let us declare victory

kviiri

3:03 PM

@JohnP 5 minute adventuring century

David Coffron

@JohnP She inspires people to fight on her behalf (not that the rest don't, but she especially), perhaps she is the actual bard

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Wasn't there a witch variant that had a hair thing?

@DavidCoffron Ariel - The entire movie revolves around her voice, def a bard.

David Coffron

@JohnP Ah. True true

MikeQ

Leia is an artificer because she joined late and she has robots and guns

JohnP

Ok, here's the list so far. A couple are vague and need redefinition:

Snow White
Cinderella - Warlock
Aurora
Ariel - Bard
Belle - Beastmaster
Jasmine - Rogue/Bard?
Pocahontas
Mulan - Paladin
Tiana - Curse breaker
Rapunzel
Merida - Ranger/archer archetype
Anna
Elsa - Sorcerer
Moana - Sailor

MikeQ

3:08 PM

Moana literally talks to divine beings, wouldn't that make her some kind of cleric or warlock?

David Coffron

(Anna and Else aren't technically Disney Princesses )

@MikeQ I don't think she serves Maui though

Anaphory

@DavidCoffron Which technicalities are you going with? What definition?

Pierre Cathé

Eilonwy could be a sorceress

JohnP

@kviiri Technically, Mulan is the only one that is not actually a princess. She was born to a regular joe (Admittedly he was a famous warrior, but still not a royal).

kviiri

@DavidCoffron Warlock-Patron contract is more akin to a quid pro quo pact than straightforward servitude

David Coffron

3:10 PM

@Anaphory Disney's definition

Pierre Cathé

Ugh my brain got confused in classes :/

kviiri

@JohnP Moana does say she's not a princess several times, though

And wasn't Belle some random lady from the town, too? I can't recall these that well.

David Coffron

@kviiri She is the daughter of the chief. That's as close to royalty as you can get in Polynesian culture (but they definitely lack the same political structuring that was seen in Europe)

JohnP

@kviiri Shes the daughter of a clan chief .

kviiri

Well, she clearly knows of the concept of princess, and emphatically considers it not to apply to herself.

JohnP

3:12 PM

@kviiri She was, but she married a prince. Much like Cinderella.

@kviiri You can't change your birth. :p

kviiri

@JohnP Oh, right. For some reason I was firmly convinced the beast was a duke or somesuch.

JohnP

All the other princesses either were born or married royalty. In some cases both.

David Coffron

Pocahontas could be an Oath of Redemption paladin by ideals, but lacks any of the paladin-esque feats apart from Emissary of Peace

kviiri

I'm not sure if Disney's super into monarchism or not, or both (Which would explain having lots of protagonist princes[ses] but kings and queens dying left and right)

David Coffron

Mulan would definitely be Oath of the Crown

kviiri

3:16 PM

Anyway I have some problems with loosely applying terms of royalty and similar titles across cultures without proper waivers

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Shaman maybe?

David Coffron

@JohnP If were bridging out of 5e classes (which was the original prompt), she definitely has that spirit tree as a factor

Hmph. Tiana's only real supernatural feat is ending a curse which feels like the Cleansing Touch feature of paladin too....

kviiri

"Emperor/Empress" (and similarly, "Empire") are among of my unfavorite terms in the overloading sense

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Are we limiting to 5e? 2e had that whole Oriental Adventures, which would offer up Samurai + prestige classes...

David Coffron

@JohnP I'm not familiar enough with older editions to comment; you can expand the horizons for yourself if you like though

This is where I'm at right now for 5e:

Snow White - ?
Cinderella - Warlock of The Archfey 9
Aurora - ?
Ariel - College of Lore Bard 3
Belle - ?
Jasmine - ?
Pocahontas - Oath of Redemption Paladin 3
Mulan - Oath of the Crown Paladin 5
Tiana - Paladin 14
Rapunzel - ?
Merida - Hunter Ranger 4
Moana - ?

Helwar

3:27 PM

what are we playing at?

David Coffron

Cinderella has to hit 9 for the 4th level spell feats that the patron offers (fabricate and polymorph)

Mulan hits 5 for Extra Attack, Pocahontas only has 3 for just Emissary of Peace

JohnP

Ok, if we are reworking, 3e Oriental Adventures had the prestige class "Battle Maiden", with an almost spiritual bond with their mounts. That def fits Mulan.

> Battle maidens are the stuff of wonder and legend, an order of mounted female samurai whose swift, fearless attacks are renowned throughout the world. They have a supernatural bond with their mounts, an intense spiritual connection similar to the bond between a paladin and her mount. Battle maidens maintain a tradition of martial prowess tempered by spiritual purity.

David Coffron

@JohnP nods definitely fits

JohnP

Rapunzel - Witch with the Supernatural Hair hex.

Helwar

Mulan had a bond with a mount?

David Coffron

3:30 PM

@Helwar She's very close with her horse. Not a supernatural bond per se, but could extend that way in D&D

JohnP

@Helwar Her dad's horse, who basically went berserk when she was threatened and charged to rescue her in the avalanche.

Helwar

hummm

it's been long since I've seen the movie, not gonna argue :)

David Coffron

Does Moana have any supernatural feats? I can't place her in any class. She mostly just has courage and will

Same with Jasmine tbh

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Hrm...chosen by the ocean to reunite a goddess with a relic...

Helwar

well i'd say she's a pretty bad warlock, or divine soul sorcerer. Like, she doesn't use any magic, but has a patron taking care of her

David Coffron

3:31 PM

@JohnP That's just a quest and a Supernatural Blessing. shrug

Helwar

Jasmine is a Noble. The NPC class from 3.5 :P

has a pet tiger, but I wouldn't make her a Ranger just for that

David Coffron

Maybe Moana is a super high level College of Whispers bard and is subtly manipulating the demigod xD

JohnP

@DavidCoffron She takes up her role as chief and wayfinder, leading her people on a voyage. What

What would a wayfinder be in D&D?

Helwar

horizon walker?

David Coffron

@JohnP That sounds like a background

I feel like Mulan needs a level in Rogue for Expertise in Deception and Acrobatics for the last scene

JohnP

3:35 PM

@DavidCoffron She talks to, uncorrupts and restores gods. Pick a class. :p

@DavidCoffron Maybe a dip in monk?

David Coffron

@JohnP Idk. She doesn't really do monk things.

Just climbs the palace and devises a plan to get to the bad guys

Maybe that isn't class dip-level, but just cleverness. Some points in Intelligence

Helwar

MUlan can be a Swords College Bard. Used her magical secret (or whatever is called) for Summon Steed. Also has familiar (Mushu) through Magic Initiate, or just met a pseudodragon that offered to be her familiar.

David Coffron

I think I'd have to make Rapunzel in 5e as a reflavored Loxodon monk (hair instead of trunk)

Helwar

@DavidCoffron haha

David Coffron

Take her to 4 for the Tavern Brawler feat (them frying pans)

@Helwar That fits with Bardic Inspiration too

Helwar

3:44 PM

Old Belle was just a Damsel in distress, but woke new Belle is an artificer?

JohnP

I'm thinking Druid - Circle of the Spirits for Pocahontas.

MikeQ

@JohnP Is that from a UA?

goodguy5

@DavidCoffron My gut actually says Totem Barbarian.

JohnP

@MikeQ No, it's on the DnDB site.

David Coffron

@JohnP She doesn't seem to do anything druid-ey to me. She just talks to a tree and is friends with the otters

@JohnP New UA is on D&DBeyond these days

MikeQ

3:52 PM

@DavidCoffron Nature cleric then?

David Coffron

But I don't see Circle of the Spirits at all. That might be homebrew

Helwar

most disney princesses are just damsels in distress with faint magical habilities, at most

David Coffron

Right, the goal is to extend what feats they have to an adventurer that fits their personality/style

MikeQ

Is there a goal? I'm the one who brought it up, and was just coming up with silly conversation topics.

David Coffron

@MikeQ Well, that's my goal xD

JohnP

3:54 PM

@DavidCoffron It's marked as such though. Moot point, I can't find Spirits. I swear it was there, but closest would be Circle of the Land.

MikeQ

I also didn't specify whether we're basing these on the original lore or on Disney's whitewashed versions

JohnP

@DavidCoffron - Example marking - The Circle Wildfire is marked as UA/Playtest content.

David Coffron

Belle is probably a College of Lore bard just judging from her pursuit of knowledge

JohnP

@DavidCoffron They can't all be bards.

David Coffron

@JohnP I mean... My list has two other bards besides her right now

JohnP

3:58 PM

@DavidCoffron Wouldn't that be a Sage - Researcher?

David Coffron

@JohnP Yeah, good point

JohnP

Or possibly sage - librarian.

David Coffron

Aurora, Jasmine, Belle, and Moana have no feats that fit them into the classes as far as I can tell

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron Not sure about Aurora but Jasmine must have fairly good disguise aptitude to prevent a merchant from recognizing her while she only wears a shawl. Belle is likely to be a bard both because she sings a lot and probably has bardic knowledge from all those books. And Moana can commune with the ocean.

Pierre Cathé

@Yuuki Also Jasmine has Animal Handling proficiency

Helwar

4:02 PM

Well, to discredit Jasmine a little, noone knew how she looked like, she was not allowed outside

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JohnP

@Yuuki They all sing a lot. That's because Disney makes musicals. That doesn't mean you can shoehorn all of them into bard.

MikeQ

Even princess Leia sang. Once.

David Coffron

@Yuuki Communing with the Ocean sounds druid-ey

Druid 10 gets you the commune spell (if ti weren't a cleric spell)

Yuuki

Aurora's probably whatever the opposite of coffee-lock is.

Helwar

4:04 PM

@MikeQ she did?

MikeQ

@DavidCoffron I did mention nature cleric

David Coffron

@MikeQ Ah. That does fit very well

MikeQ

@Helwar In the Star Wars Holiday Special, yes

Helwar

uh, don't know about that....

MikeQ

That's probably for the best.

Yuuki

4:05 PM

@JohnP That's why I threw in the bardic knowledge.

JohnP

@MikeQ Nature cleric fits very well for Moana.

Xirema

@MikeQ nnnnnNNNNOOOOOOOO YOU FOOOL YOU'VE INVOKED THE ELDRITCH RITUAL! YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL TO —

Pierre Cathé

Wait guys Mulan is a Great old one warlock :
- ancestor is the great old one
- has a pseudodragon familiar granted by her patron

David Coffron

In my 5e bubble I'm here now:

> Snow White - Druid 5 (for Conjure Animals)
Cinderella - Warlock of The Archfey 7 (Fabricate and Polymorph type feats)
Aurora - ?
Ariel - Triton Bard 6 (Countercharm)
Belle - ?
Jasmine - ?
Pocahontas - Oath of Redemption Paladin 3 (Channel Divinity: Emissary of Peace)
Mulan - College of Swords Bard 10 (Magical Secrets: Find Steed)
Tiana - Paladin 14 (Cleansing Touch)
Rapunzel - reflavored Loxodon Monk 4 (Tavern Brawler feat)
Merida - Hunter Ranger 4 (Sharpshooter feat)
Moana - Cleric of the Nature Domain 9 (Commune)

Pierre Cathé

Pact of the blade ofc

JohnP

4:07 PM

The Star Wars Holiday Special - "Happy Life Day" (1978)

►

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron as always, thank you (see full text)

thank you for nothing

David Coffron

@Yuuki lol

MikeQ

@DavidCoffron Anastasia was a Disney princess, I think. That movie happened, right, or am I just imagining it?

Yuuki

@MikeQ Nope, not Disney.

Xirema

@MikeQ Real movie, not Disney.

That would have been Don Bluth, right?

JohnP

4:09 PM

@DavidCoffron - I still like samurai or battle maiden more for Mulan, but whatever.

David Coffron

@MikeQ Depends on what you are qualifying. There are lots of princesses in Disney movies that aren't "Disney Princesses" according to the company

Yuuki

Actually, Anastasia might be Disney now.

David Coffron

@JohnP That's why I said in my 5e bubble.

Yuuki

But not Disney Animated Canon.

goodguy5

Do we have an established cadence for related posts in comments? i.e. - should I do all in one comment or separate comments?

Xirema

4:09 PM

@Yuuki Well, Disney owns half of the world now, so that wouldn't surprise me.

Yuuki

IIRC, Anastasia would be part of the 21st Century Fox acquisition.

goodguy5

@MikeQ dreamworks

David Coffron

@goodguy5 I've seen both

Yuuki

@goodguy5 what no

goodguy5

pretty sure

Yuuki

4:10 PM

> Anastasia is a 1997 American animated musical historical fantasy film produced and directed by Don Bluth and Gary Goldman in association with Fox Animation Studios, distributed by 20th Century Fox

goodguy5

huh.... so it is.

JohnP

@goodguy5 Dreamworks was distributed by Disney in the late 90's for a few years, but AFAIK disney doesn't actually own any of the films. (i.e. you won't see them on Disney+, but I stand to be corrected)

goodguy5

I thought for sure I remembered that stupid kid fishing off the moon in the beginning of the movie.

Yuuki

You might be thinking of The Prince of Egypt?

Helwar

MikeQ

4:13 PM

The protagonist of Lion King 2 was an angsty lioness so that'd make her a barbarian, I think

Yuuki

It and Spirit are the only DreamWorks movies I can remember that were 2D-animated.

Or at least had that traditional animation style.

Oh yeah, there was The Road to El Dorado.

G. Moylan

dreamworks.fandom.com/wiki/Category:2D_Animation

Helwar

Sinbad was good :)

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Belle doesn't do much but sneak around the castle getting into places she shouldn't and read a lot. Low level rogue with an academic background?

goodguy5

@Yuuki tbh, that's probably what I'm thinking of.

I've seen El Dorado more times than I can count.

MikeQ

4:15 PM

Does Hela of Asgard count as a Disney princess? I think that would add necromancer to our list.

Xirema

@G.Moylan I was right about it being Don Bluth.

Helwar

@goodguy5 I've never seen it

@MikeQ She should!

goodguy5

@Helwar so goooooodddddd!

and the memes are fantastic

David Coffron

@JohnP I could see a Rogue 1

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron And Belle holds hands with the Beast as the planet is nuked by the Death Star?

Helwar

4:17 PM

Last time I said i hadn't seen a cartoon movie, a friend of mine forced me to watch it because it was allegedly so good. I can say without any glimpse of doubt that I didn't like The Emperor's new Groove

MikeQ

Ah yes, how could we forget Cuzco, the ultimate princess

Pierre Cathé

@goodguy5 El Dorado is my second-favourite animated movie ever, I watch it every year with my girlfriend

JohnP

@Helwar Let me guess...we're about to go over a large waterfall? Yup. Sharp rocks at the bottom? Most likely... Bring it on.

Helwar

haha

goodguy5

@Helwar You didn't like the part with Cusco's poison? The poison for Cusco? The vial brewed specifically to poison Cusco?

JohnP

4:18 PM

LLAMA FACE!

goodguy5

What's it like to be dead inside?

G. Moylan

@Xirema yup. And apparently he's still alive, and has done things as recently as 2011

JohnP

Cheese me no likey!

MikeQ

We can also add Shuri to the list, as an artificer

Helwar

It felt like a cartoon network thingy, with their weird cubistic characters and nonsense humor, rather than a disney movie

JohnP

4:20 PM

@DavidCoffron Rogue 1 with Cloistered Scholar background.

G. Moylan

@DavidCoffron don't forget about Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire

Pierre Cathé

Also Miguel from El Dorado is the archetypal bard

JohnP

@G.Moylan Anything from Atlantis will probably be Artificer.

Helwar

Is Coco a disney princess?

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar If I remember, it is kind of stupid who is and isn't considered a Disney Princess.

Helwar

4:23 PM

I mean, Miguel

Yuuki

Hmm... with the 21CF acquisition, I wonder if Disney has any gay characters with daughters.

Because technically, as the child of a queen, that would make them a Disney princess.

@Rubiksmoose It is entirely a marketing thing.

G. Moylan

@Yuuki and who they feature at the parks

Yuuki

Elsa and Anna from Frozen aren't Disney Princesses because they make more than enough money on their own.

The Disney Princess branding is so Disney can prop up less marketable characters by bundling them together.

Pierre Cathé

@Yuuki And yet they always forget Eilonwy

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki Huh, that seems to make sense to me.

JohnP

4:28 PM

@PierreCathé She's not an "official" disney princess.

Pierre Cathé

@JohnP Yeah but she's Disney and she's a princess

JohnP

@PierreCathé But she's not "official". Disney doesn't recognize Moana as one either.

G. Moylan

One thing about Disney park characters that I will never understand, is Splash Mountain. Disney wants to bury Song of the South so bad, yet that entire ride is themed around Uncle Remus and his stories of Br'er Rabbit, Fox, and Bear. They want to pretend like that movie never happened, yet one of the 3 mountains in their flagship park is based directly on the characters from that film

Yuuki

@PierreCathé Probably because "One of Disney's darkest animated features, it's the first animated Disney film to carry a PG rating due to violence and nightmarish imagery".

G. Moylan

and uses music from it. They're otherwise obscure characters, too. So the conversation goes "where are those characters from?" "Oh, Song of the South." "What's that and why have I never heard about it?" "Wellll....."

JohnP

4:32 PM

Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel,Belle, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida. Some sources claim moana, some don't.

David Coffron

@JohnP As of March 2019, Moana is an official Disney princess

JohnP

@DavidCoffron Ah, ok. So 12 official then.

G. Moylan

Mulan isn't even a princess in any sense of the word, yet she's a Disney Princess (TM)

David Coffron

@G.Moylan ~~Neither is Tiana~~ nevermind, she married a prince

G. Moylan

@DavidCoffron didn't she get with the prince, though?

there's no rhyme or reason to it except who sells merch and movies, and even then they're lumped in for extra marketing reasons. Mulan is honestly probably included for 1) nostalgia, 2) diversity.

Yuuki

4:34 PM

@G.Moylan Again, marketability.

MikeQ

I think Vanillope von Sweets would fall into that category too

G. Moylan

@Helwar they tried hard to kill it

Yuuki

@MikeQ Nah, she's a President and constitutional monarch.

MikeQ

@Yuuki Are those mutually exclusive?

Yuuki

@MikeQ I mean, if you're the monarch...

Is there anything other that actually prevents Queen Elizabeth from running for office?

Himitsu_no_Yami

4:44 PM

Why does flagging a question as a duplicate require the other one to have an answer? two questions asked within 5 minutes of each other are the exact same question, just by different people

Rubiksmoose

@Himitsu_no_Yami It looks like I can close as a dupe with mod powers FWIW.

RandomPerson

how to place bounties

Himitsu_no_Yami

@Rubiksmoose first time I've seen one closed with the phrase "exact duplicate"

RandomPerson

Rephrase: I'm going to put a bounty on my question offering 15 Popularity, how do I do so?

Rubiksmoose

@RandomPerson here's a help article does that help?

RandomPerson

4:53 PM

I hope

Rubiksmoose

@RandomPerson If the article doesn't help, let us know and we can answer any specific questions you have.

Someone_Evil

@RandomPerson Note that the minimum bounty is 50 rep

JohnP

@RandomPerson You also can't offer a bounty until 2 days after initial asking.

RandomPerson

okay thanks it helped

to bad I asked my question today

Rubiksmoose

@Himitsu_no_Yami huh! I never noticed that before!

RandomPerson

4:55 PM

:(

Himitsu_no_Yami

Somehow not only does the duplicate question have more upvotes but someone downvoted the first one

JohnP

@Himitsu_no_Yami Welcome to SE! :p

RandomPerson

... whats is going on in chat right now?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@JohnP lmao

Someone_Evil

@Himitsu_no_Yami Which one is closed as a dupe is on @Rubiksmoose. Votes will correct themselves with time though

JohnP

4:56 PM

@RandomPerson Disney princesses as D&D characters morphed into social responsibility. We're not quite sure what is going on right now. :p

Helwar

@RandomPerson started giving D&D classes to disney princesses, then the issue changed to song of the south

Someone_Evil

@RandomPerson Lots of things

Himitsu_no_Yami

@RandomPerson uhh from my reading, talking about Disney movies being racist, talking about a set of duplicate questions on the side, and just confusion on my part

G. Moylan

@RandomPerson we were talking about disney, then what qualifies a disney princess, then the parks, then I said I'll never understand why Splash Mountain is a thing, then we talked about racism in old Disney movies, now revisionist history, it seems

RandomPerson

@Himitsu_ confusion on my end too lol

G. Moylan

4:58 PM

now there are multiple threads weaving in and out

RandomPerson

...

Helwar

guys now that there is a lull in the debate, can I ask for help for one minute?

RandomPerson

go ahead

G. Moylan

how dare you /s

Himitsu_no_Yami

Hey at least in this chat if you join in you can kinda pick up on what's being said... *glances back at The Bridge*

Helwar

4:59 PM

i have a question in another SE. I tried to make it as stackable as possible, but I was told it was not good enough. Edited the question and added the info I was asked,

it's been a couple of weeks...

Do you feel this is "stackable"?

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Q: Translation of the "Immortal Words" from the "Stormlight Archive"

I want to join two passions of mine in a single tattoo I want to get to commemorate something important to me. One of these is the love for the Digimon series I had since I was very little and still endures, the other is the work of Brandon Sanderson, specifically the "Stormlight Archive" series...

translation

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil I voted to close based solely on the time of posting honestly. They seemed pretty close in terms of quality to me but if people think it should be switched around for some compelling reason do let me know.

Helwar

i'm considering setting a bounty to it, but there's no point if the question is still bad

RandomPerson

How to make a dnd Disney princess character. 1. choose human race 2. choose any class step 3 choose noble background 4. make charisma your highest score. done

Rubiksmoose

→ 60 messages moved to Not a bar, but plays one on TV

I went ahead and moved the SoS conversation to NaB, people are free to continue discussing it there if they want, it was just clogging up community functions here it seemed to me.

Helwar

I would ask around the japanese SE, but I have never found anyone in their chat :S

@Rubiksmoose thanks! Good call

MikeQ

5:04 PM

Wait, digicode is just English transliterated into Japanese?

Helwar

Not really. SOme of it is

like the text in the digivice is "de-ji-ta-ru mon-ta", but other times is written in japanese, but with the "digicode" symbols

now that I look at it, most of it is indeed transliterated haha

well I know this is not the japanese chat, but I feel like experts in SE would have a sixth sense for detecting bad questions? maybe? :)

and Japanese chat is empty every time I try it :/

Mark Wells

@RandomPerson 5. Choose an animal companion?

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar It looks like a well thought out question to me.

Helwar

Worth putting a bounty on it?

Rubiksmoose

I might actually be able to help. Or, well, have someone help. I'm taking Japanese here, but I also have access to at least a handful of native Japanese speakers here.

Helwar

5:19 PM

uo, that would be wonderful

if you do let me send you a box of chocolates or something!

Rubiksmoose

@Helwar The trick is the part about the Digicode. Is your intent to have something intelligible in Japanese when translated from digicode to katakana?

Someone_Evil

On a more local topic: the "magical improvised weapon" question(s) are turning into a bit of a dupe-mess

RandomPerson

@Mark Wells Optional, but allowed

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil It certainly is.

Helwar

@Rubiksmoose Well, yeah? If I understand correctly, Digicode uses the same sillabes as katakana does, just different symbols

like, there is two options. Transliterating, wich I guess would be a garbled mess in japanese, and translating, wich would make sense if read in japanese?

RandomPerson

5:23 PM

still looking for answers on review here: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/159895/… anyone want to help?

Homebrew review

MikeQ

Wasn't Elan one of those psionic races from a previous edition?

RandomPerson

Idk, I thought of a random name, so it could be

Someone_Evil

@RandomPerson One word: Patience. There aren't that many users willing to do homebrew review questions, and they/we might have other things to do, need a bit of time on it, or simply haven't seen it yet

RandomPerson

4th edition?

Someone_Evil

@RandomPerson 3.5e: d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/elan.htm

RandomPerson

5:28 PM

Ohh... im going to go change the name of it, to avoid possible confusion

MikeQ

What is it supposed to be? A space gnome? A bipedal beholder?

@RandomPerson It may help the question if you mention your goals in creating this homebrew. What it's supposed to be, why it needs certain features, etc

RandomPerson

...

Randomness, really its supposed to be a Vexus (the new name for n Elan, since Elan is taken)

its not supposed to be anything...

Himitsu_no_Yami

5:46 PM

Mayhaps we should move this talk into the discussion on that question?

RandomPerson

umm... thats where I came from

Himitsu_no_Yami

I think it's best to keep discussion about a question in that question's discussion chat when it's there

hey

heyo

how is everyone

5:59 PM

Tired, but other than that good

Gwideon

that's good

NautArch

6:25 PM

Wow, someone dislikes my whole question about improvised weapons and magical attacks. The question and every answer has at least one downvote.

goodguy5

NautArch

hahaha

I'm just mostly bummed that it seems like it isn't possible (without a generous DM ruling). WHich then is odd to provide a feat whose primary ability really scales poorly as you progress.

Yuuki

@NautArch Really any weapon held be a journeyman artisan should be considered an "in pro viced" weapon.

NautArch

@Yuuki depends on how firmly they hold it?

Carcer

@NautArch tavern crawler is just kind of a bad feat.

tavern brawler, even.

Tavern Crawler is probably a really cool feat.

goodguy5

6:32 PM

Tavern Brawler is a great idea, implemented mediocrely, disguised as a good feat.

NautArch

^

@Carcer I mean, i'm going to pick it up because my DM is allowing the improvised shield bash as part of dual-wielding and I want my proficiency with it.

And my hunch is they may allow the magic item/magic attack as well.

but if not, at those fights, I may just go true two-weapon.

of course, all is moot until I get a magic shield.

don't even have a magic weapon yet.

goodguy5

@NautArch Just to rehash things I've already said: an ASI will likely serve you better than adding proficiency to your shield whack.

NautArch

@goodguy5 I only need 1 more to STR. So the feat gets me to 20 and gives me proficiency.

goodguy5

ah, rehash rescinded

NautArch

I mean, I guess I could do STR/DEX, but the other stuff may at some point come in handy

goodguy5

6:35 PM

I keep forgetting you guys rolled.

NautArch

in terms of d4 unarmed strikes, other improvised weapons, and the grapple(?)

goodguy5

I'm trying to figure out how powerful that proposed house rule for spell DC is. My first reaction is "Nooooo. don't do that.". But the more I think about it, the more I'm unsure.

NautArch

@goodguy5 I mean, i'd almost always pick higher DC as opposed to an extra damage die.

And when the answer is "always yes", it's unlikely to be reasonable.

goodguy5

@NautArch That's true. I was trying to decide if it was something I'd always do or not.

NautArch

@goodguy5 If I can increase the odds of more damage, i'll gladly do that over an extra damage die or two.

The only times I wouldn't is when there's an ongoing effect (heat metal, bigby's hand).

I guess heat metal is a bad example. no relevant ave.

goodguy5

6:42 PM

what are other options that meet the criteria?