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goodguy5

4:00 PM

yea, I'm lookint at that

David Coffron

@goodguy5 Probably not, that scales much better than Rebuke the Violent since its an area-of-effect

goodguy5

hrm.... true...

pseudo magic missle?

the thing about Rebuke the Violent is that some monsters get more damage (trex) and some get more attacks. So, putting a scale in place is hard

and then at a certain point, it looks like it maxes out more or less

Gwideon

welp I can't get on a writitng site but I can apparently get on disney plus

goodguy5

Even the tarrasque only does 36 damage on a bite

Rubiksmoose

@Gwideon lol

Gwideon

4:08 PM

our school definitely has it's priorities in order when it comes to blocking sites

Rubiksmoose

Maybe it's too new?

goodguy5

^

Rubiksmoose

Because media sites seem like the last thing any school network would want to allow. Huge bandwidth hogs.

Gwideon

true.

Rubiksmoose

I doubt it is intentional.

Gwideon

4:09 PM

youtube is allowed but that's because it's useful and very easy to restrict

Someone_Evil

@Rubiksmoose Also massive distraction on students, which is sometimes a bigger concern

Xirema

@Gwideon Also, there's probably too many teachers who (for surprisingly legitimate reasons) would want to show Youtube videos in the classroom.

Gwideon

that's what I meant by useful

goodguy5

The more I think about it, the more I think this is the best guideline I want to post.

Though, maybe just increase by 1d4 instead of 1d8

4d4
5d4
.
.
finally 8d4 when they get 5th level spells.

seems fine

save for half

GcL

@Gwideon It's a difficult problem to tackle and difficult to keep up with. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a service provided by a vendor.

Gwideon

4:17 PM

does anyone know how to format dialogue.

NautArch

@Gwideon what do you mean?

Gwideon

like how do people format dialogue in a novel.

NautArch

@Gwideon I think there a lot of different ways writers do that with no clear "you must do X".

googling the question "how do you format dialog in writing" produces a LOT of results :P

Gwideon

true

Yuuki

Important rule to keep in mind when writing and formatting dialogue: the reader should always know who's speaking. So many times I've gotten lost because the writer puts down four or five lines of successive dialogue and it turns out that three people were talking, not two.

GcL

4:22 PM

@Gwideon My recollection is inline, alternating lines, and block quotes.

Depends on the content format? Is this for an academic paper? a novel? a historical summary? transcription?

Gwideon

@GcL it's a novel

David Coffron

@Gwideon In my experience it is just a new paragraph for each new speaker. (and as Yuuki said, make sure the reader knows who's talking)

GcL

@Gwideon Then I concur with what @Yuuki said.

David Coffron

(unless someone has a long section in the dialogue. Then you can break it into multiple paragraphs)

Gwideon

um can someone make sure I have that formatting correct

I'm nervous I don't

sorry should I link to it

NautArch

4:30 PM

@Gwideon There isn't necessarily a 'correct'. It's more like is it clear who is talking and reasonable to read.

goodguy5

@DavidCoffron see.... you've got this great answer that covers basically everything I want to say....

Though, you don't make any real recommendations about level 3

Gwideon

okay

goodguy5

don't forget about writing.se

David Coffron

@goodguy5 Hm? I said that you need to make the non-combat option less niche. The damage option is fine if the Paladin hits a stronger level 7 with unarmored defense on charisma

Xirema

@Yuuki This is an extremely underrated rule.

Gwideon

4:33 PM

their chat room isn't that active

David Coffron

@Gwideon You can always ask on the main site, no?

GcL

@Gwideon Just ping all the mods. Mods really love that. /S

goodguy5

"make less niche" isn't super helpful, imo.

But regardless, I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to me to make the rest of my answer.... I think it isn't...

David Coffron

(genuinely maybe not, haven't looked at the rules for that site)

Gwideon

I guess

David Coffron

4:34 PM

@goodguy5 Idk if its a good idea to create a hard recommendation as that leans into bad subjective territory.

goodguy5

perhaps...

David Coffron

shrug Did you have something in particular in mind?

The Oracle

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Q: Are CR calculation of homebrew monsters questions homebrew-review questions?

This is coming out of this question asking for a check on the CR calculation of a pair of homebrew monsters and the subsequent encounter with them. I retagged it from homebrew to homebrew-review, but was met with some disagreement. The bulk of homebrew-review questions are of the kind "is this (...

David Coffron

@goodguy5 I added the other balance option (instead of removing the narrow-ness of Sense Alignment) that you seemed to be going down (i.e. making Repelling Blast scale so it remains a compelling option in later tiers)

goodguy5

♥

Gwideon

4:44 PM

I hate how I can only write so much before getting writers block

David Coffron

@Gwideon I'm with you there. Sometimes time is the only cure for the block though shrug

Xirema

@Gwideon The absolute most important rules when writing dialogue in fiction (iN mY oPiNiOn):

1. If the speaker changes, start a new paragraph. Always, always, always.
1.1 This also applies if the subject changes in the break in someone's monologue, even if the person taking action doesn't say anything.
2. If a character needs to monologue, break it up into multiple paragraphs by ensuring that the key, most important information, as it is being monologued, is always at the beginning or end of each; don't bury important reveals or details in the middle of a paragraph.

And of course, the all important rule 0:

0. Never break these rules unless you have a specific reason why you think you should; and when you do, break them with wild abandon.

David Coffron

@Xirema I like that rule 0

Yuuki

Don't forget to break up long dialogue with actions. Talking can get monotonous and most people don't sit/stand still and blare out sentences like a loudspeaker.

David Coffron

@Yuuki That's the only way I talk :P

Gwideon

4:48 PM

Also has anyone just had to deal with really annoying people being around you while write

Xirema

There's a lot of other stuff too, like "keep sentence lengths varied", and "don't repeat words more than once in a paragraph", "don't let your paragraphs all start with the same two or three words", but a lot of those are harder to apply uncritically, since those are the rules you'll end up choosing to break almost as often as you choose to follow them, depending on the context.

Like, word repetition can actually be extremely effective in many contexts.

goodguy5

@Gwideon as in the people in your school :P

Carcer

@Xirema boom boom boom boom, boom boom boom boom

Gwideon

yeah. Those people who won't be quiet no matter how much you desperately plead with them because you're wanting to work on your freaking novel

Xirema

> You can't keep doing this! You can't keep doing s****y things and then feel bad about yourself, like that makes it okay! You need to be better! [...] You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol, or the drugs, or any of the s****y things that happened to you in your career, or when you were a kid, it's you. Alright? It's... you. — An extremely effective use of word repetition in Bojack Horseman, Season 3, Episode 10

...... God that show is so good.

NautArch

5:14 PM

@Gwideon Did you give yourself a writing schedule?

Gwideon

no I'm just kinda writing a bit every day

NautArch

Still your call to make, but trying to set aside specific time and stay focused during that time can be a big difference maker - especially if you're not getting the results you want.

Yuuki

5:36 PM

David Coffron

@Yuuki I could've sworn there were descriptions of how the languages sound in 5e rulebook somewhere, but now I can't find it.

Gwideon

I'm gonna work on the ship fics during lunch. I might post one. They're not supposed to be super long and are supposed to be little cute bits of writing.

Sdjz

10

Q: Are there specific descriptions of what each of the racial languages sound like?

Running adventures with varied races of NPC, I run into a lot of times where I simply say "It sounds like they're speaking Elvish/Orcish/etc etc". I'd like to know if perhaps there are descriptions of what the languages sound like in any published material, so that I can instead describe vaguely ...

dnd-5e dungeons-and-dragons languages narration

David Coffron

@Sdjz Beautiful

goodguy5

I think I want this:
https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/11/11/dungeons-and-dragons-rick-and-morty-starter-set-launch/?fbclid=IwAR3n9HC-MZ9-9X5ldfU3EPUREJFn7lbgELnnIkelO2WFkS_CZjyvlQmzK28

NautArch

5:47 PM

@Gwideon Just because something is short doesn't mean that it doesn't take a lot of time to write well.

Gwideon

true but I find short stories so much easier to write.

NautArch

@Gwideon And that's good you find something that works! I'm just asking that you do your own due diligence in editing before asking us to take a look.

Gwideon

Yeah I will

NautArch

I'd definitely suggest giving it time. If you write it today, it is not ready to be shown today. Give it a few days of re-work.

Himitsu_no_Yami

While I wait for a more specific answer in the other chat can anyone explain how I could add references/citations to an answer to a hypothetical question?

NautArch

6:00 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami link?

Someone_Evil

@Himitsu_no_Yami What kind of reference/citations are you trying to add?

NautArch

as in can you link to the issue, not add links as an answer to your question :)

Himitsu_no_Yami

It's on the anime SE but here's the link

Someone_Evil

What source material are you basing your answer on?

Himitsu_no_Yami

That particular anime (or rather those three) has gone pretty in depth on how his powers work. He's able to control and redirect any vector

Someone_Evil

6:03 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami Then refer to examples (episodes possibly with timestamps) where it details that

NautArch

@Someone_Evil @Himitsu_no_Yami This. And can you show that Accelerator has to have the soundwave blocking up ahead of time?

Himitsu_no_Yami

Well the device has been shown to disrupt Esper powers by using sound waves. Logic would indicate that if the sound waves reach him they would prevent him from using his powers, which would prevent him from redirecting them

Someone_Evil

@Himitsu_no_Yami Give an example of the first point and state that you are following it with logic

I don't speak anime so I can't help you beyond that

Himitsu_no_Yami

@Someone_Evil It seems weird to me that the first point needs an example when that's literally the entire point of the device (and the premise on which the question was based)

Someone_Evil

If you want more specific advice for how to handle things on anime.se ask them, either on their meta or chatroom

NautArch

6:12 PM

^^

@DavidCoffron I definitely disagree about sleep vs catapult. Sleep is great at low levels, but once you pass level 3-ish, catapult is inherently better. And given that paladins really don't have a ranged option - especially at catapult's range, it's a huge boost to the class.

@Rubiksmoose Can we move the one-shot comments into a chat? It's getting pretty ugly in there :)

Himitsu_no_Yami

@Someone_Evil I did but their chat room is nearly dead

I do appreciate your help though

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami SOmeone must have flagged it or a Mod did directly. Asking in comments what's needed is still an option.

Or post in their meta?

Himitsu_no_Yami

I almost exclusively use SE while I'm at work and Meta is blocked for some reason

NautArch

ask when you get home? /shrug

David Coffron

6:33 PM

@NautArch That's fair. But catapult falls off too. Once you have extra attack, you are better off just using two weapon attacks. (since upcasting is a big cost for half-casters)

NautArch

@DavidCoffron unless you're too far away. THat's when it's useful.

Flying enemies

or just distant enemies

paladins usually can't do much beyond throw a javelin.

David Coffron

@NautArch Hm? Paladins have ranged weapons like bows and stuff

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Dex is usually a paladin dump stat, though

So the ranged weapons aren't usually that useful.

David Coffron

@NautArch Hmph. I've never dumped dex on my paladins. Always go 14 because medium armor is so much better imo

I'll add a note, but I don't think it changes anything with my answer

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Paladins generally need STR/CHA/CON as top three.

I just think that catapult is significantly more useful than sleep after level 3.

David Coffron

6:43 PM

@NautArch How's it look now?

NautArch

@DavidCoffron better :) Out of curiosity, what's your ranking of stats when making a paladin?

David Coffron

@NautArch Str > Dex = Con > Cha unless the Sacred Oath does better with Cha, then Cha over Con.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Doesn't that make Dex the 4th ability score you'd put value into?

David Coffron

I usually choose spells that are more situational and/or deal with non-combat challenges, since most of my spell slots in combat are smites.

@NautArch Hm? No. I put 14 Dex with every paladin

It's the third I guess

NautArch

@DavidCoffron So you'd rank it above con or cha?

David Coffron

6:47 PM

@NautArch Yeah, one of the two depending on if I need charisma with my oath

14 Dex is very good imo

Although once I get the level 12 or 16 ASI the other of Con or Cha will pass Dex

(unless I go for a feat)

NautArch

@DavidCoffron YOu definitely need cha for spellcasting DC and amount of spells prepared, along with your uses of other paladin features like divine sense(meh) and cleansing touch. That 14 dex is only giving you an AC generally of 16, while plate gives you 18.

David Coffron

@NautArch But plate armor (if I can get it; expensive) is a real hassle to don and doff and makes stealth harder. I rarely prepare paladin spells with saves. Lots of situational ones (I like smites). Since I'm not getting combat spells, I don't need to prepare more. I'm usually fine with 12 Charisma. Not sure if its optimal, but its how I like to play my pallys

A dueling paladin can even go Dex maxxed instead of strength.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Yeah, my spellcasting was nearly always bless or smites. But having the modifier for cleansing touch is a big deal.

David Coffron

@NautArch I honestly don't think I've played paladin to 14th level+

NautArch

And if you're fighting wihtout armor, the time difference realy doesn't matter. You're not putting on the medium armor either instead of fighting.

David Coffron

6:53 PM

@NautArch Idk. Maybe its the table's I've been at, but donning and doffing plays a more pivotal role

NautArch

and low CHA also means less impactful aura. ANd that's a BIG DEAL. for you and your allies.

David Coffron

@NautArch That's true, forgot Aura of Protection scaled that way

NautArch

@DavidCoffron and your other subclass aura, too.

although that's usually not the case, nevermind:)

David Coffron

You're making me rethink. Maybe my medium armor bias isn't worth less Charisma

NautArch

And donning armor is still 5 minutes for medium. If you're talking about wanting armor for combat, it's still a non-starter. Doffing is also 1 minute. If you're doffing because of heat metal or something, that's still not a difference maker.

I've done a lot of paladin thinking in th years i played mine :)

David Coffron

6:55 PM

@NautArch It's a difference maker if a fight is coming in the next 5 minutes

(and you're currently doffed)

and there's still the stealth factor (something my groups often focus on. A breastplate will always beat out full plate on that front)

NautArch

I don't think i've ever had the foreknowledge about an upcoming fight like that, nor am I generally unarmored hunless i was sleeping.

But yeah, you're not stealthy. But your role generally isn't the stealthy one.

It's the kill this thing now one.

David Coffron

@NautArch That's probably a table difference

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Very much so. But does your paladin generally not walk around armored?

David Coffron

@NautArch And in most parties, I always hate the one guy who's not stealthy, so I don't want to be that character

@NautArch No. It's not immersive to me

If he's in a dungeon, sure, but otherwise no

NautArch

I always saw my own armor as part of me, but that's definitely a player decision.

And then building a character that works with that, even when suboptimal, is still a very valid option.

Himitsu_no_Yami

7:00 PM

So my DM has me fighting something right now that can 1v1 a Tarrasque and win

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami um, how?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch Two words: Clay Golem

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami definitely an interesting fight. but it is clearly a good match for a tarrasque - not necessarily against your party.

The things the tarrasque does well are things the golem counters.

Himitsu_no_Yami

Here's the problem

NautArch

I mean, it still needs to roll a 17 to hit the tarrasque at all.

Himitsu_no_Yami

7:04 PM

we're almost out of spell slots

and this thing is hitting us hard

NautArch

and in one round, the tarrasque has 5 attacks. It's likely to hit on all and kill it.

what level are you?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch Golem is immune to Acid, Poison, Psychic; Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks

@NautArch 10 and there's two of us

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami oh snap! Ha! Yeah, the clay golem is built to beat a tarrasque.

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch best part is the golem would HEAL if it got swallowed

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami yeesh, what are your classes?

Himitsu_no_Yami

7:10 PM

@NautArch Warlock (fiend) and Cleric (life) 6 Warlock (Celestial) 4

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami So basically you just need to stay away from it and pepper it with EB.

It has a speed of 20, so that should be easy

Himitsu_no_Yami

We're kinda low on space

But I do have a plan

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami what spells do you have and what slots left?

David Coffron

@NautArch Not exactly. The tarrasque would just ignore it and destroy the city the clay golem's master is trying to save. The clay golem would never scratch the monster

NautArch

@DavidCoffron It wouldn't?

Seems like it oculd just walk up to it and start scratching.

Yuuki

7:12 PM

@NautArch The real reason why the First Qin Emperor built the Terracotta Army.

David Coffron

@NautArch The tarrasque is way faster and would almost never get hit like you said

NautArch

@DavidCoffron not exactly smart though. BUt yeah, once it did realize it wasn't getting anywhere, it'd just move on.

Yuuki

Like anything without thick fur running into a beehive, it'll probably just leave the area and the beehive alone.

Which, you know, status-by-design.

Himitsu_no_Yami

the pure warlock has no spells slots but has one cast left of Darkness from being a Tiefling (and has devil's sight). The cleric has a 3 level 2 slots and 2 level 1 slots left (will list spells in a minute)

David Coffron

@Himitsu_no_Yami Warlock can't just darkness the golem and eldritch blast with advantage?

NautArch

7:18 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami doy ou know what's prepared?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@DavidCoffron the trick to that is having room to maneuver and it'll still probably hit my wimpy 14 AC

NautArch

@DavidCoffron The other warlock will be at disadvantage, but yeah, this is viable. If the cleric has a cantrip like prestidigitation or thaumaturgy or something to make sounds in the darkness to keep the golem inside it...

@Himitsu_no_Yami can you describe the environment?

@DavidCoffron It would still know where, though. THey're not hidden.

David Coffron

@NautArch Whoops.

@Himitsu_no_Yami shield of faith on the cleric, maybe?

@Himitsu_no_Yami And yes, it hits 56.25% of the time

Himitsu_no_Yami

NautArch

@DavidCoffron is that at disadvantage?

David Coffron

7:23 PM

@NautArch mhm

anydice.com/program/1891f

Himitsu_no_Yami

the area with the wooden disks is a 60 foot drop

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami and you're in that area right now?

Himitsu_no_Yami

That screenshot is the current state of the game

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami where's the golem?

ah, behind you.

i see now.

David Coffron

@NautArch In the 7x7 room upstairs

7x7 room is sizeable if you can get out of the tight quarters before the golem corners you

Alternatively, force him to squeeze in the space of the steps to get squeezing benefits

> While squeezing through a space, a creature must spend 1 extra foot for every foot it moves there, and it has disadvantage on attack rolls and Dexterity saving throws. Attack rolls against the creature have advantage while it's in the smaller space.

NautArch

7:26 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami and do you need to goup, or do you need to drop down?

Himitsu_no_Yami

My current plan involves seeing if it follows me when I jump down (the pure warlock has a spirit inhabiting her body that will negate all fall damage).

@NautArch I don't know what needs to be done tbh

We came from across that pit

David Coffron

Seems very kiteable in that next room tbh

kite around it with Disengage to its Dash, and then you can get into that next hall where it would have to squeeze

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami how did you get up the 60' wall?

Himitsu_no_Yami

Ideally I want to kill it and gain the EXP cus we're sorely lacking despite all the combat (we've had to run away a lot)

@NautArch the cleric has a STR score high enough to make the jumps between platforms

NautArch

@DavidCoffron or lure it into the stairwell

@Himitsu_no_Yami oh, each platform was 60' up, too? I thoughtt hose were tables at ground level :P

Himitsu_no_Yami

7:29 PM

The warlock was able to climb the wall with an athletics check after having fallen from the platforms

KorvinStarmast

I feel bad for Random person's situation. If you picked up a used PHB at second hand books, but don't know that D&D editions are different, you'll have some awkward interactions like what we are seeing in the questions. (WoTC, I'm looking at you ... you did this ..)

kent

Hey does anyone know which subclass from UA artificer was dropped for the official print?

Someone_Evil

Has the official print dropped yet?

KorvinStarmast

@kent They dumped the archivist IIRC from a GiTP thread

kent

google.com/amp/s/www.sageadvice.eu/2019/09/14/… says 3 sub. UA has 4

KorvinStarmast

7:30 PM

@Someone_Evil apparently, advanced copies are being reviewd on you tubery

kent

Ahh thanks

KorvinStarmast

@kent I get you a link ...

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami I...don't think that should have worked. The cleric has no space for a 10' running start, so they can only jump 1/2 their strength score.

kent

How do you give reputation for chat?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch there was space a lot of it is just hidden cus lighting

kent

7:31 PM

I should just make an official question :p

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami so the map isn't accurate?

the platforms are 10' wide. If you're in one space, you're only moving 5'.

KorvinStarmast

@kent here it is

sometimes, we just help

Not sure when my book is showing up, my preorder went in a while back ...

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami Either way, you're there now ;) What spells do you and the warlock have?

David Coffron

@NautArch If that hallway is long enough you may be able to kill it before it even gets to attack

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch this is ToA and the book says characters can run 10 ft on the platforms to make the jump

NautArch

7:34 PM

@DavidCoffron @Himitsu_no_Yami That's my thought. Draw it into the hallway. It's stupid, it'll squeeze in. And then hammer it. it'll trigger Berserk, but if one of you throws something behind it, then it'll go after it :)

kent

@KorvinStarmast should be Nov 19 right? That's the release date.

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami oh weird. that is definitely not the map.

Himitsu_no_Yami

Also both characters are mine

NautArch

okay, so what spells do you have/

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch the book is counting the starting space as being able to be run through I think

NautArch

7:36 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami trying to find it...is this the tomb of nine gods?

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch Yes

David Coffron

@NautArch Idk. The book might not be using the grid rules, so you could run from the edge to the other edge

@NautArch It's in Level 3. Spoilers

NautArch

@DavidCoffron ah, found it. yeah,

don't know about the image, but the text is clear.

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch The pure warlock is out of slots so it's irrelevant right now. (still has the single use of darkness from racial). the cleric has Thaumaturgy, Spare the Dying, Guidance, Sacred Flame, Light, Mending, Resistance, Eldritch Blast, Minor Illusion, and Prestidigitation for cantrips. Bless, Cure Wounds, Healing Word, Sanctuary, Guiding Bolt, Shield of Faith, Command, Detect Magic, Find Familiar (only as a ritual, no familiar atm), and Unseen Servant. (cont due to character limit)

David Coffron

Well. In any case, avoiding all spoilers, my strategy would be to try to get around the golem in the bigger room to get to that hallway forcing it to squeeze

Himitsu_no_Yami

7:41 PM

Level 2 spells are Aid, Blindness/Deafness, Cloud of Daggers, Crown of Madness, Darkness, Find Traps, Invisibility, Lesser Restoration, Mirror Image, Prayer of Healing, Shatter, and Spiritual Weapon

David Coffron

@Himitsu_no_Yami Cleric could shield of faith the warlock for AC and darkness, then its a 42.25% chance to hit, cleric then heals the warlock while they pepper with eldritch blast

Probably not as good as the hallway strategy, but a good backup if the hallway isn't as long as expected

Hypersapien

Hey. I understand that the new Warforged was leaked. I'm trying to get an idea of what it looks like now. From what I understand it was nerfed pretty bad.

David Coffron

@Hypersapien As it should have been tbh

Himitsu_no_Yami

My plan before you guys gave your input (which I'm probably gonna take the advice you're giving) was if the golem follows after jumping down to squeeze into that tiny crawlspace and pepper it from safety cus it can't squeeze into that small a space

Hypersapien

Yeah, but not THAT badly. Didn't they basically go back to the original UA that everyone thought was boring in the first place?

David Coffron

7:45 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami That would work too if you can tank the 6d6 and it follows

@Hypersapien I haven't looked

Himitsu_no_Yami

@DavidCoffron The warlock will carry the Cleric before jumping (warlock isn't taking fall damage cus of Papazotl) cus the DM ruled that I could do that once before

That will also prevent the cleric from taking the fall damage

Hypersapien

I'm starting in a game next week (that uses D&D Beyond) and I was planning on using Warforged, but not if it got everything interesting taken from it.

David Coffron

@Himitsu_no_Yami That's a reasonable ruling

@Hypersapien Yeah, now it is fairly mundane; kind of like an elf with AC instead of a subrace

Himitsu_no_Yami

We have a druid as well but he came so close to dying I have him in a safe room taking a long rest

Hypersapien

Jeeze that sucks. They were talking about configuration options that ended up amounting to nothing too.

NautArch

7:48 PM

@Himitsu_no_Yami It doesn't seem like going backwards is a great option.

Himitsu_no_Yami

@NautArch Why not?

NautArch

@Himitsu_no_Yami I mean it's a good fall back (pun intended). But I think you can do a fair bit of damage to it while it squeezes in the hallway.

The darkness is still an interesting strategy even though you'll already have advantage from the squeezing.

David Coffron

@NautArch If the warlock has agonizing, that is

NautArch

but the cleric could use thaumaturgy to keep it in the hallway.

Himitsu_no_Yami

Warlock does have AB and +5 to CHA

NautArch

7:50 PM

It's a slog, but it should work.

the golem falling will do nothing to it, though.

David Coffron

@NautArch I was thinking popping darkness if the hallway ends and you have to retreat into the next room

@NautArch No? Don't we have a question clarifying that falling isn't a "nonmagical attack"

NautArch

@DavidCoffron it's definitely nonmagical bludgeoning, which it'simmune to.

Himitsu_no_Yami

If I had literally any of the other characters I made I'd cheese the hell out of it

NautArch

oh, i see @DavidCoffron.

yeah, i dunno. As a DM, i'd rule that it's nonmagical bludgeoning and wouldn't hurt it, but they're DM may also give points for the plan and allow it (which I might do as well.)

Himitsu_no_Yami

But I made the characters I'm using now before I got confirmation that we were allowed to use SCAG

David Coffron

7:52 PM

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Q: Are there creatures that are resistant/immune to falling damage?

From my experience in 5th edition D&D, I've seen many creatures resist or be immune to bludgeoning damage from weapons, but never to bludgeoning damage from falling. The only instance I know is a raging barbarian player (not even sure if NPCs can rage). Are there any creatures that are resistant...

dnd-5e monsters damage-resistance immunities falling

Hypersapien

Air elementals?

NautArch

So yeah, i think it'd work out @Himitsu_no_Yami to make it fall. But you could still do a lot of damage before it gets there. Not sure how you lure it over the edge, though.

David Coffron

@Hypersapien That was my answer. Creatures with hover

Hypersapien

Now I need to find another race to play a Forge Cleric

NautArch

@Hypersapien guessing you're wanting to optimize?

what're your stats?

Hypersapien

7:55 PM

Standard array

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron Pine trees?

NautArch

@Hypersapien starting at level 1?

Yuuki

They're evergreen so they don't lose leaves in the autumn.

You could cut them down, but that's felling damage not falling damage.

Hypersapien

3. It's a pre-existing game I'm joining

David Coffron

@Hypersapien Set in Eberron, or are all races fair game?

@Yuuki claps

Hypersapien

7:58 PM

Homebrew setting. Anything that's not UA or Ravnica, I think.

David Coffron

Hmph. I was going to recommend a Ravnica race lol

Hypersapien

Which is a shame, because my second choice was Loxodon

I'd kind of like to avoid PHB races

David Coffron

@Hypersapien What about ones with non-PHB subraces/variants?

Hypersapien

I'll look

David Coffron

@Hypersapien (that would mean the Elf and Dwarf subraces in XGtE, the Half-Elf and Tiefling variants and the Halfling subrace in SCAG, and the Gnome subrace in EEPC)

MikeQ

8:03 PM

@Hypersapien If it's a homebrew setting, why aren't the splat book races (e.g. Eberron, Ravnica) allowed?

Hypersapien

I'd like to avoid Teifling, Half-Orc and Elf because those are already in the campaign.

Because the DM doesn't have that book in D&D Beyond

Eberron is allowed

Himitsu_no_Yami

@Hypersapien If content shared in one campaign can be used in another I can invite you to my content sharing campaign in DDB I made for a coworker of mine

Did that double send or was that just my end?

Hypersapien

Just you. I only saw it once.

Ok, weird. I saw my response twice

Himitsu_no_Yami

I only saw it once

but I'm seeing mine twice

Hypersapien

I I'm getting a "- timeout - retry / edit / cancel" message

NautArch

8:07 PM

@Hypersapien WIS and STR your primary scores with CON right after? Or something else?

@Hypersapien me too

MikeQ

Try refreshing the chat. That usually fixes the duplicate or retry messages.

Hypersapien

I'm not too concerned about strength except to be strong enough to wear heavy armor. I figure I won't be meleeing that much. Mostly buffing and offensive spells.

I have never played a Cleric before in any D&D edition, and I've never played a 5e caster before.

Someone_Evil

Is main site down for anyone else?

David Coffron

@Himitsu_no_Yami It can't unfortunately

@Someone_Evil Down for me

Hypersapien

It's down for me, but this says it's up downforeveryoneorjustme.com/stackexchange

trogdor

8:17 PM

the main site is down for me at this moment too

just in case anyone did need more confirmation XD

Himitsu_no_Yami

Not only was main site down (back up now) but chat died for me too

even logged me out

or halfway did

user15026

According to Twitter there is something up with some SQL bits. They're workin on it.

NautArch

@Ash some very angry sql bits

Himitsu_no_Yami

All I know is the error was apparently so bad, the error page broke. "Description: An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception. The request has been terminated. "

NautArch

@Hypersapien If you go dwarf, you don't need to worry about the strength stat for heavy armor and can dump.

But if you don't want pHB races, then that's out

Hypersapien

8:34 PM

I was considering it. I'd prefer non-PHB but I'm not rejecting it completely. It would give me axes and hammers too.

NautArch

@Hypersapien And super thematic dwarven forge cleric.

Hypersapien

Obviously Forge Cleric would get a hammer

That was actually a point against Dwarf

Slightly cliche

NautArch

cliche smeche. Go with what you think would be fun (and/ore optimal).

David Coffron

@Hypersapien What deities in the homebrew setting?

NautArch

@Hypersapien Given clerics get divine strike, i'm guessing you still want something that will be dex or str focused?

David Coffron

8:43 PM

Because the flavor of a forge cleric will kind of dependon which deity/ies is/are of the Forge domain

NautArch

@Hypersapien should i assume 15 wis/14 con/13 str or dex?

@Hypersapien Firbolg could be fun

David Coffron

Water Genasi fits ability-score-wise and then you can shape metal and water ;)

KorvinStarmast

@kent I seem to get it a few days later due to mail slownes ... but here's hoping! :)

NautArch

@DavidCoffron @Hypersapien I always forget about Genasi! That's another good option.

David Coffron

Lizardfolk as well, but you are kind of wasting the Natural Armor trait with them

NautArch

8:47 PM

and lizardfolk are often thought of as OP, too :P

Hypersapien

Normal deities, but this setting has six additional ones. They're mostly concerned with humans though.

Screencap from the pdf the DM sent out

KorvinStarmast

@Hypersapien wayfinder warforged does not fit the PHB classes, balance wise.

MikeQ

@Hypersapien You may want to ask the DM whether deities would be important to your character

Hypersapien

Yeah, I was thinking warforged more for roleplaying purposes. If it's going to suck, I'll pick something more optimized, though.

KorvinStarmast

@Hypersapien goliath vrom volos

Hypersapien

8:52 PM

this too i.imgur.com/IdTTUoH.png

KorvinStarmast

@Hypersapien D&D clerics are solid.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast no wis boost there, tho :(

Hypersapien

Do I really need a wisdom bonus though? If the race has a bonus in something else, I should be able to lower that stat to raise wisdom, shouldn't I?

David Coffron

@Hypersapien If the magic god is also Forge Domain, you could break the dwarf stereotype a different way, and make like a very studious dwarf with a slender ornate battleaxe or something

KorvinStarmast

ah yes, so water genasi to start with wis 16.

David Coffron

8:54 PM

@Hypersapien If you are using point buy

KorvinStarmast

std array was mentioned a bit further up

David Coffron

Standard array is very specific

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast @Hypersapien I'm digging the idea of water genasi or firlbog forge cleric.

MikeQ

@Hypersapien In theory, you can do that, but there's an opportunity cost.

Hypersapien

I think point buy is ok

Opportunity cost?

KorvinStarmast

8:55 PM

Firbolg is not a bad choice, but almost anti cliche to an extreme. Which I think wold be kinda cool ...

Hypersapien

Yeah, I was thinking that. The book talks about ostracized or orphaned Firbolgs

NautArch

@Hypersapien Well, if you want to focus on spells, then you'll be using your WIS modifier for both setting your save DC and attacking. It's literally your most important stat.

KorvinStarmast

Yeah, fits right into ~~murderhobo~~ adventurer theme

MikeQ

@Hypersapien As in, if you wanted to raise your Wisdom, you'd be spending more resources to do so, compared to a race that starts with a higher Wisdom. E.g. A goblin can raise their Wisdom to 15 for the same cost that a Firbolg raises it to 17.

Hypersapien

lol

Right, I see

KorvinStarmast

8:58 PM

vhumanvhumanvhuman get that feat vhumanvhuman... X^D

David Coffron

or just basic human would work pretty well

KorvinStarmast

True enough, clerics don't need feats what with being full casters.

David Coffron

Forge clerics can be a little MAD, so basic human solves that issue